You also might find them at familysearch.org in this db England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8) Description Index to Non-conformist records held at the National Archives, London. This collection contains 3,920,183 records. https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/show#uri=http://hr-search-api:8080/searchapi/search/collection/1666142 Eliz On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 3:26 AM, Graham Price <genetree@tpg.com.au> wrote: > At 01:59 AM 20/04/2011, you wrote: >>Can anyone tell me if there is a list of Nonconformists baptism's >>for Wales, am looking for a few different area's? Kind Regards, Mary Godfrey > > Hi Mary > > I don't know of any online, but perhaps you might go to the Family > Search Library Catalog of the LDS as they have lots of microfilms of > non-conformist records. I have had quite a number of these microfilms > which can be viewed at their family history libraries almost anywhere > in the world, for a small donation. These days, of course, ordering > of these films is done online - but first you have to select a LDS FH > centre near to your home and perhaps enquire there.  Local telephone > book will assist you. They are very helpful folk. The films are even > more helpful!!! 8-) For instance, the following is what is available > for Wrexham, Denbighshire, North Wales: > > > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=24816&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1782-1837  Chester Street Chapel (Wrexham, Denbighshire : > Particular Baptist > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=365398&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1788-1837  Penybryn Chapel (Wrexham : Independent or Congregational) > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=24812&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1808-1837  Wern Chapel (Wrexham, Denbighshire : Independent) > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=7030&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1811-1837  Abbot Street Chapel (Wrexham, Denbighshire : > Calvinistic Methodist) > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=362430&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1813-1837  Wesleyan Methodist Chapel (Wrexham, Denbighshire) > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=24718&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1820-1837  Penuel Chapel (Wrexham, Denbighshire : Independent) > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=417125&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1828-1837  Harewood Chapel (Brymbo, Denbighshire : > Calvinistic Methodist) > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=24820&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1829-1837  Pentrefelin Chapel (Wrexham, Denbighshire : Independent) > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=24769&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1833-1837  Tabernacle Chapel (Wrexham, Denbighshire : > Calvinistic Methodist) > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=362452&disp=Church+records>Church > records, 1834-1836  Bwlch-gwyn Chapel (Bwlch-gwyn, Denbighshire : > Welsh Calvinistic Methodist) > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=300284&disp=Diary+of+Joseph+Jenkins%2C+Baptist+minis>Diary > of Joseph Jenkins, Baptist minister, Wrexham, > <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=300284&disp=Diary+of+Joseph+Jenkins%2C+Baptist+minis>1773-1791 > > > Simply go to: > <http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp>http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp > > and insert the town or village you are interested in. > > Good hunting. > Cheers > Graham > Melbourne > Oz > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Can anyone tell me if there is a list of Nonconformists baptism's for Wales, am looking for a few different area's? Kind Regards Mary Godfrey ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17340) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

On 19/04/2011 11:36, Sue wrote: > Hi, > > I know how helpful the Glamorgan group is and am just wondering if anyone can help me. I have an Evan Maddy marrying a Mary Jenkins at Merthyr Tydfil in 1806. I am wondering if there are any Parish Records that would give any children of the marriage or anything record of the age group of this couple. > > If any Maddy children are listed around this time in the Merthyr area I I would be grateful for the names so that I may know if they relate to my family line. > > Thanking you in anticipation. > > Yours sincerely, > > Sue in Suffolk (nee Maddy) Hi Sue, FreeBMD has a number of births from 1840 for Maddy in Merthyr Tydfil. There is also the death of a Mary Maddy in the June qtr of 1864 at MT. It looks as though Merthyr Tydfil may be a place that it would pay you to investigate. -- Cheers Peter Neath

WESTERN MAIL FRIDAY DECEMBER 10. 1926.  No. 313. FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS. IN MEMORIAM. PALMER.- In Loving Memory of the dear and only three sons of Mr. and Mrs. PALMER, Pentre, Rhondda- Martin, Edgar, and Jack.- Ever in our thoughts.- Mam, Dad, and Sisters. KINMONTH.- In Loving Remembrance of our darling Mother, who passed away December 10th, 1912.- Requicescat in pace. JAMES.- In Loving Memory of my dear father Walter Vernon James, 95, Claude-road, Cardiff, who died December 12th, 1921; also my dear mother, Lucy Jane, who died December 7th, 1925, and is buried to-day.- Violet. BLOOMFIELD.- In Loving Memory of my dear husband, John BLOOMFIELD, 16, Weston-terrace, Ynyshir, who died December 10th, 1910. Fondly remembered by Wife and Children. DEATHS. THOMAS.- On December 9th at Berthgron, Nelson, Henry THOMAS. Private funeral Monday. December 13th, for Llanfabon Churchyard. MALIPHANT.- On December 7th, 1926, at Westfa, Gorseinon. Margaret, widow of the late Henry MALIPHANT. Funeral on Friday at 2.30 p.m. for Kingsbridge Cemetery; G.O. JONES.- On December 8th, at a Nursing Home, Edmund JONES, beloved husband of Mary JONES, of 13, Penylan-terrace, Cardiff. Funeral leaves house on Saturday December 11th, at 10.30 a.m. G.O.  N.F. HALL.- On December 8th, at 33, Rennie-street, Cardiff. Harry the beloved son of H. and E. HALL. Funeral Monday, December 13th, at 2.15p.m.; G.O. DIXON.- John, dearly-beloved husband of Mary A. DIXON on Tuesday, December 7th, at Warwill House, Abertillery. Service at St. John the Baptist Church, Newport, at Eleven a.m. Saturday; funeral following to St. Woolos' Cemetery, Risca-road; G.O. SILVER WEDDINGS. FOSTER - THOMAS.- At St. John's Church, Canton, December 10th, 1901, by the late Rev. William Jones HARRY, nephew and adopted son of the late Supt. Wm. EVANS, Pembroke, to Frances, second daughter of the late Morgan THOMAS, M.P.S.- Present address Bertyhwin-street. CAPE - HUTCHINSON.- At St. Mary's, Swansea, on December 10th,1901, by the Rev. J. Ll. THOMAS, Vicar of Aberpergwm. Frank son of the late William CAPE and Mrs. G. JONES, Bedlinog, to Ada Ann, youngest daughter of the late Robert George and Sarah HUTCHINSON, Victoria House, Glyn Neath. Present address; Ael-y-bryn, Nelson, near Cardiff. MARRIAGES. THOMAS - THOMAS.-December 9th, St. Catherine's Church, Pontypridd, Charles Ivor THOMAS, Bryn Awel, Neath, to Doris second daughter of Mr. and Mrs. B. R. THOMAS, Maes-yr-Awel, Pontypridd. McKINNON - McDOUGALL.- December 4th, at Dar-es-Salaam, Andrew Alexander McKINNON of Rhymney, to Margaret, only daughter of John McDOUGALL, of Tarbolton, Ayrshire. (by cable). ILLES - LLOYD- On December 8th,The Tabernacle, Hayes, Cardiff, by the Rev. Charles DAVIES. Harry only son of Mrs. ILES, Rectory-road, Barry Docks, and the late James ILLES, to Irene, youngest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Joseph LLOYD, 34, Jewel-street, Barry Dock. BIRTHS.- JONES.- December 7th, at The Manse, Penhevad-street, Cardiff, to the Rev. and Mrs. D. W. JONES, (nee Lettice ROWLANDS) a son. DAVIES.- December 8th, to the Rev. and Mrs. D. J. DAVIES, 2, Park-road, Bargoed, a son. CHEYNE.- On December 9th, at 166, Caerleon-road, to Cathie, wife of John Duncan CHEYNE, a son. John Patrick.

Hi, I know how helpful the Glamorgan group is and am just wondering if anyone can help me. I have an Evan Maddy marrying a Mary Jenkins at Merthyr Tydfil in 1806. I am wondering if there are any Parish Records that would give any children of the marriage or anything record of the age group of this couple. If any Maddy children are listed around this time in the Merthyr area I I would be grateful for the names so that I may know if they relate to my family line. Thanking you in anticipation. Yours sincerely, Sue in Suffolk (nee Maddy)

WESTERN MAIL THURSDAY DECEMBER 9. 1926. No. 312. THE BARRY BANDIT AGAIN.- Menacing Demand For Money. A further story of the activities of a man who has become known as "Barry's terrorist" was forthcoming on Wednesday, when Mr. Haydn WILLIAMS, a fitter's apprentice employed by the Great Western Railway Company at the locomotive sheds at Barry, described a somewhat unnerving experience. Just as WILLIAMS was crossing Gladstone-road, Barry Dock, towards his home, Sunnybank, Buttrills-road, about ten o'clock a man approached him in the darkness and, in a gruff and menacing voice, demanded "a gasper." When WILLIAMS said he had no cigarettes the man walked alongside and demanded money in a threatening manner. " I realised my danger." said WILLIAMS " and tried to keep waylayer at a safe distance. When within a few yards from my home I dodged the man and rushed past him through the open gate, slamming it in his face as he ran after me. I caught no glimpse of a weapon, but I have no doubt that he had a few more minutes elapsed he would have probably used force." Mr. WILLIAMS states that his sister also underwent a similar experience recently when a man demanded money from her in a secluded part of town. Mr. WILLIAMS describes the man as tall somewhat rough-looking, and clean-shaven. His features were concealed by a heavy muffler. RECENT WILLS. MR. W. H. RENWICK-Cardiff Coal Exporter Leaves £34,000. Mr. William Henry RENWICK, of Pontcanna House, Cardiff, and of Bute Docks, Cardiff, shipbroker and coal exporter of Messrs. W. H. RENWICK and Co., of Portfield House, Adelaide-street, Cardiff, who died on June 28, aged 61 years, third son of the late Mr. John Nixon RENWICK, of Newcastle, and brother of Sir George RENWICK, left estate of the gross value £34,797. with net personalty £5,779. Probate of his will, dated June 20th, 1925, has been granted to his widow to Mrs. Bessie Smith RENWICK, and his sons Mr. William Lewis RENWICK, also of that address, and Mr. Allan Everett RENWICK, of Peterson, Cardiff, coal exporters. Testator left the portraits of himself and his wife by Harold KNIGHT to his sons Mr. William, andhe directed that his business should be carried on by his sons William and Allan, and that they should pay to his wife for the seven years following hids decease one-fourth of the net profits of the business. All other his property he left upon trust for his wife during widowhood, with remainder to his children or their issue in equal shares. MR. D. J. TURBERVILLE, NEWPORT. Mr. Daniel Jones TURBERVILLE, of 12, Waterloo-road, Newport, retired yeoman, who died on September 29 left estate of the gross value of £2,028. with net personalty £1,472. Probate of the will, dated June 23, 1923, has been granted to his widow, Mrs. Elizabeth TURBERVILLE, his sister Miss Elizabeth Ann TURBERVILLE, both of the same place , and his nephews Tom Turberville WILLIAMS, of 29, Clytha-square, Newport, and David Turberville WILLIAMS, of 9, Donald-street, Cardiff. Testator left his household effects to his wife, and the residue of the property in trust for her life, with remainder to his sister Elizabeth Ann TURBERVILLE for life, with remainder to the children of Jane WILLIAMS. MR. MARK CREWE, BLAENAVON. Mr. Mark CREWE, of the Penceffyl Inn, Blaenavon, formerly of Oaklands, Cwmavon-road, Blaenavon, who died on October 28, left estate of the gross value of £1,361. with net personalty £1,256. Probate of the will, dated June 27, 1923, has been granted to James Bowler CREWE. Testator left his property to his wife. "GLORIFIED BAILIFF."-Merthr Farmer And His Failure. Examined in bankruptcy before Mr. Registrar KENSHOLE at Merthyr on Wednesday, Herbert Wilson COOK (44), a farmer, of Cottymawr, Talybont-on-Usk, gave his deficiency as £8,170. His assets were nil. Mr. Reginald J. OWEN (Builth Wells) acted as solicitor for the debtor, and Mr. John T. VAUGHAN (Merthyr) represented the petitioning creditor in the case, Mr. Thomas WAINWRIGHT. In answer to Mr. E. V. WATKINS (assistant official receivor) COOKV stated that in March 1915, he took over the tenancy of New Hall, King's Pynon, Herefordshire, and started business as a fruit grower. His venture was a profitable one. In August, 1920, he purchased the Black Hall Estate (which included the New Hall) for £12,000. This was advanced by the positioning creditor without security, except (said debtor) that Mr. WAINWRIGHT " knew he could have the place any minute," COOK alleged that he was only "a glorified bailiff "under Mr. WAINWRIGHT, who provided a further £2,000 for farm stock and other things. His (debtor) had re-paid £600. In January, 1925, the petitioning creditor paid an additional £7,000 (£6,000 to meet a bank overdraft and £1,000 to cover various farm debts) and took over the estate "lock, stock, and barrel." The farm stock was valued for Mr. WAINWRIGHT at £3,500. He (debtor) considered it worth £800 more. The non-success of the farm he ascribed to stocking with suitable cattle, the incurring of heavy capital expenditure, and trade depression. The examination was adjourned to January 12. BARRY'S GRAND OLD FOLK-Youngest Eighty. One of the most unique little gatherings in Barry's long history assembled on Wednesday evening. It was a dinner, so the invitation said, " in honour of the fathers and mothers in Israel of the Welsh churches of Barry," and eighteen venerable figures of eighty years and upwards spent three happy hours in an astmosphere of remembrance and reminiscence. The youngest guest present was eighty: the oldest was ninety-one! Mr. Christopher HOWE, a venerable figure of ninety years (the father of Councillor Dudley T. HOWE and Mr. W. C. HOWE, the Welsh Barrister), presided, and he was supported by Mrs. JONES, Gower House, Barry Dock (91 years of age); Mrs. TREHARNE, Oban-street, Cadoxton (90); Mr. J. HAVARD, Holton-road, Barry Dock (88); Mr. A. BEDDOE, Robert-street, Barry Dock (88); Mrs. JENKINS, Wyndham-street, Barry Dock (87); Mrs. JENKINS, Tynewydd-road, Barry Dock (86); the Rev. D. DAVIES, Clifton-street, Barry (85); Mrs. BASSETT, Woodlands-road, Barry (85); Mrs. DAVIES, Wyndham-street, Barry Dock (85); Mrs. JOHN, Barry (84); Mr. J. EVANS, Kenilworth-road, Cadoxton (84); Mr. J. PRITCHARD, Park-crescent, Barry (83); Mrs. EVANS, Canon-street, Barry (82); Mr. D. HOWELLS, Cwm, Barry (80); Mrs. LEWIS, Woodlands-road (80); and Mrs. THOMAS, Lombard-street, Barry Docks (80). John Patrick

WESTERN MAIL THURSDAY DECEMBER 9. 1926.  No. 312. THE BARRY BANDIT AGAIN.- Menacing Demand For Money.   A further story of the activities of a man who has become known as "Barry's terrorist" was forthcoming on Wednesday, when Mr. Haydn WILLIAMS, a fitter's apprentice employed by the Great Western Railway Company at the locomotive sheds at Barry, described a somewhat unnerving  experience.   Just as WILLIAMS was crossing Gladstone-road, Barry Dock, towards his home, Sunnybank, Buttrills-road, about ten o'clock a man approached him in the darkness and, in a gruff and menacing voice, demanded "a gasper." When WILLIAMS said he had no cigarettes the man walked alongside and demanded  money in a threatening manner.    " I realised my danger." said WILLIAMS " and tried to keep waylayer at a safe distance. When within a few yards from my home I dodged the man and rushed past him through the open gate, slamming it in his face as he ran after me. I caught no glimpse of a weapon, but I have no doubt that he had a few more minutes elapsed he would have probably used force."   Mr. WILLIAMS states that his sister also underwent a similar experience recently when a man demanded money from her in a secluded part of town.    Mr. WILLIAMS describes the man as tall somewhat rough-looking, and clean-shaven. His features were concealed by a heavy muffler. RECENT WILLS. MR. W. H. RENWICK-Cardiff Coal Exporter Leaves £34,000.   Mr. William Henry RENWICK, of Pontcanna House, Cardiff, and of Bute Docks, Cardiff, shipbroker and coal exporter of Messrs. W. H. RENWICK and Co., of Portfield House, Adelaide-street, Cardiff, who died on June 28, aged 61 years, third son of the late Mr. John Nixon RENWICK, of Newcastle, and brother of Sir George RENWICK, left estate of the gross value £34,797. with net personalty £5,779. Probate of his will, dated June 20th, 1925, has been granted to his widow to Mrs. Bessie Smith RENWICK, and his sons Mr. William Lewis RENWICK, also of that address, and Mr. Allan Everett RENWICK, of Peterson, Cardiff, coal exporters. Testator left the portraits of himself and his wife by Harold KNIGHT to his sons Mr. William, andhe directed that his business should be carried on by his sons William and Allan, and that they should pay to his wife for the seven years following hids decease one-fourth of the net profits of the business. All other his property he left upon trust for his wife during widowhood, with remainder to his children or their issue in equal shares. MR. D. J. TURBERVILLE, NEWPORT.   Mr. Daniel Jones TURBERVILLE, of 12, Waterloo-road, Newport, retired yeoman, who died on September 29 left estate of the gross value of £2,028. with net personalty £1,472. Probate of the will, dated June 23, 1923, has been granted to his widow, Mrs. Elizabeth TURBERVILLE, his sister Miss Elizabeth Ann TURBERVILLE, both of the same place , and his nephews Tom Turberville WILLIAMS, of 29, Clytha-square, Newport, and David Turberville WILLIAMS, of 9, Donald-street, Cardiff. Testator left his household effects to his wife, and the residue of the property in trust for her life, with remainder to his sister Elizabeth Ann TURBERVILLE for life, with remainder to the children of Jane WILLIAMS. MR. MARK CREWE, BLAENAVON.    Mr. Mark CREWE, of the Penceffyl Inn, Blaenavon, formerly of Oaklands, Cwmavon-road, Blaenavon, who died on October 28, left estate of the gross value of £1,361. with net personalty £1,256. Probate of the will, dated June 27, 1923, has been granted to James Bowler CREWE. Testator left his property to his wife. "GLORIFIED BAILIFF."-Merthr Farmer And His Failure.   Examined in bankruptcy before Mr. Registrar KENSHOLE at Merthyr on Wednesday, Herbert Wilson COOK (44), a farmer, of Cottymawr, Talybont-on-Usk, gave his deficiency as £8,170. His assets were nil.    Mr. Reginald J. OWEN (Builth Wells) acted as solicitor for the debtor, and Mr. John T. VAUGHAN (Merthyr) represented the petitioning creditor in the case, Mr. Thomas WAINWRIGHT.   In answer to Mr. E. V. WATKINS (assistant official receivor) COOKV stated that in March 1915, he took over the tenancy  of New Hall, King's Pynon, Herefordshire, and started  business as a fruit grower. His venture was a profitable one. In August, 1920, he purchased the Black Hall Estate (which included the New Hall) for £12,000. This was advanced by the positioning creditor without security, except (said debtor) that Mr. WAINWRIGHT " knew he could have the place any minute," COOK alleged that he was only "a glorified bailiff "under Mr. WAINWRIGHT, who provided a further £2,000 for farm stock and other things. His (debtor) had re-paid £600.   In January, 1925, the petitioning creditor paid an additional £7,000 (£6,000 to meet a bank overdraft and £1,000 to cover various farm debts) and took over the estate "lock, stock, and barrel."    The farm stock was valued for  Mr.  WAINWRIGHT at £3,500. He (debtor) considered it worth £800 more.    The non-success of the farm he ascribed to stocking with suitable cattle, the incurring of heavy capital expenditure, and trade depression.    The examination was adjourned to January 12. BARRY'S GRAND OLD FOLK-Youngest Eighty. One of the most unique little gatherings in Barry's long history assembled on Wednesday evening. It was a dinner, so the invitation said, " in honour of the fathers and mothers in Israel of the Welsh churches of Barry," and eighteen venerable figures of eighty years and upwards spent three happy hours in an astmosphere of remembrance and reminiscence.   The youngest guest present was eighty: the oldest was ninety-one! Mr. Christopher HOWE, a venerable figure of ninety years (the father of Councillor Dudley T. HOWE and Mr. W. C. HOWE, the Welsh Barrister), presided, and he was supported by Mrs. JONES, Gower House, Barry Dock (91 years of age); Mrs. TREHARNE, Oban-street, Cadoxton (90); Mr. J. HAVARD, Holton-road, Barry Dock (88); Mr. A. BEDDOE, Robert-street, Barry Dock (88); Mrs. JENKINS, Wyndham-street, Barry Dock (87); Mrs. JENKINS, Tynewydd-road, Barry Dock (86); the Rev. D. DAVIES, Clifton-street, Barry (85); Mrs. BASSETT, Woodlands-road, Barry (85); Mrs. DAVIES, Wyndham-street, Barry Dock (85); Mrs. JOHN, Barry (84); Mr. J. EVANS, Kenilworth-road, Cadoxton (84); Mr. J. PRITCHARD, Park-crescent, Barry (83); Mrs. EVANS, Canon-street, Barry (82); Mr. D. HOWELLS, Cwm, Barry (80); Mrs. LEWIS, Woodlands-road (80); and Mrs. THOMAS, Lombard-street, Barry Docks (80). John Patrick

Hi Heather, Bertie Williams was born in Merthyr, 4 March 1907. stood 5ft 6in and weighed 10st 6lb. He was an outside-left or inside-forward. He began with Georgetown School, then playing for Cyfarthfa Stars and Merthyr Town. He was with Bristol City from 1827 to 1932, scoring 26 goals in 97 League appearances. He was transferred to Sheffield United for £1,400 and stayed there until 1937, scoring 16 times in 108 League appearances. Described as "a box of tricks, the way he beat his man sometimes would have made a cat laugh." Thought for a long time to be too small he had to wait for his first-team debut despite playing well for the Bristol City reserves. He had superb ball control, but could be erratic. A brilliant display in the FA Cup against Derby saw him selected for Wales against N Ireland in Belfast (1930), but Wales lost 7-0 (oh no!) and he was never picked again, joining the ranks of the "one-cap wonders" (like my grandfather in rugby, as it happens). After moving to Sheffield, he played in the 1936 FA Cup Final (lost 1-0 to Arsenal), his selection being quite controversial at the time as he had played mainly in the reserves. He was again only an occasional choice for the first team the following season and left the club in 1937 after a row over terms. He then went to work for a tool company. Hope this fills in a few gaps, Gareth >From "Heather Smith" <heather.smith8@virgin.net> > Subject: [GLA] Bertie Williams Welsh International Footballer > To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> > > Does anyone know anything about a Robert (Bertie) Williams born around 1907 > in Merthyr Tydfil who was a Welsh International Footballer, please? > > He played at one time for Sheffield United. > > Thanks Heather > > - >

Hi Listers Have just the seen the following item for sale on Ebay and thought there may be a subscriber who has connections with the address or the family who may be interested in it. 1804 Bibl Cyssegr-Lan Welsh Language Bible Yr Hen Destament a'r Newydd Childs pencil entries Lewis John Gwillym (I Think) a neat penned address of 103 Coedpermaen Road Pontypridd called the two shillings & Sixpence, British & Foriegn Bible Society 6 x 9 x 2 inches approximately. ........................................David

WESTERN MAIL THURSDAY DECEMBER 9. 1926.  No. 311.    OBITUARIES. MR. JOHN C. PHILLIPS, NEWPORT.    Mr. John C. PHILLIPS died on Wednesday at Torbay House, Stow Park-avenue, Newport, where he had lived with his mother. Mrs. Charles D.PHILLIPS for some years since leaving The Gaer. He was a director and departmental manager of the firm of Charles D. PHILLIPS (Limited), Newport, and was a familiar figure at most of the chief agricultural shows, being keenly interested in farming, and having for some years held Church Farm, Marshfield, the tenancy of which has been in the PHILLIP'S family for some generations. He served during the war in the Honourable Artillery Company. LATE MR. J. W. TAYLOR.- Pet Dog Led To Grave At Caerphilly.   There was a representative attendance at the funeral on Wednesday afternoon at St. Martin's Church, Caerphilly, of Mr. James William TAYLOR, of Lynton. The service in the church was conducted by the rector, the Rev. T. Walter DAVIES, B.A., and the curate, the Rev. J. H. BLOOMER. The Hymn-Peace, perfect peace," was sung, and the organist, Mr. M. WHITEHOUSE, played Chopin's "Funeral March" At the graveside the choir and congregation sang " Lead, Kindly Light."    A pathetic feature was that as the body left the church Mr. TAYLOR'S dog, "Scamp" draped in black, was led by Miss Dorothy TAYLOR, daughter, to the graveside.   Among those present were: Messrs. E. T. LEYSHON, Cardiff; Mr. William MORGAN, Llantwit Fadre; Mr. S. H. LEWIS, Cardiff; Mr. Thomas WONNACOTT, Llandaff; Mr. David DAVIES, Cardiff; Mr. C. S. GOODFELLOW, solicitor, Caerphilly; Mr. Williamv WILLIAMS, Docks, Cardiff; Mr. A. J. HARRIS, ex-clerk Cardiff Board of Guardians; and Mr. MORGAN, Pontyclun. BURIAL OF MR. P. CAREY.   Mr. Patrick CAREY, one of the oldest hotel valuers and accountants in South Wales, who lived in Westville-road, Roath Park was buried in the Cardiff Cemetery on Wednesday. Prayers were read at the home by the Rev. Father MacAVERY, of St. Peter's Catholic Church, who also performed the last rites at the graveside. The chief mourners were:- Mr. Vernon CAREY (son), Miss Olive CAREY, and Miss Patricia CAREY (daughters), Mrs. M. CAREY (sister), Mr. W. CAREY (brother), and Mr. E. M. CAREY (nephew). Others present included Messrs. P. FORAN, J. MILLETT, H. MORGAN, J. WILLIAMS, G. BEAMES, R. RIDGE, E. SUMMERFIELD, R. DOWNEY, D. JONES, J. BEAMES. Bearers were Messrs. B. BEAMES, G. T. BEAMES, C. BEAMES, and S. BEAMES.    Floral tributes were sent by wife and family. Miss M. CAREY, Mr. Tom WHITEHOUSE, Mr. George BEAMES, and family. Mrs. WILLIAMS and family, the directors of the Fern Vale Brewery, John, Claude and Cyril Millet (of Bristol), Mr. and Mrs. B. M. BEAMES, Mr. and Mrs. Herbert MORGAN, Mr. and Mrs. DOODY, (Newport). FUNERAL OF MR. J. HAVARD THOMAS.   The funeral took place on Wednesday of Mr. J. Havard THOMAS, of 165, Cathedral-road, Cardiff, for many years connected with the firm of Messrs. E. T. LYDDON and Co., stock and share brokers.   The service at the house was conducted by the Rev. B. Grey GRIFFITH, pastor of Tredegarville Baptist Church, who also officiated at the graveside. The chief mourners were.- Mrs. J. Havard Thomas; Mr. R. E. DYER (brother-in-law and sister); Mrs. A. J. LUSTY, Mr. and Mrs. H. WOODS, and Miss Agatha EVANS (cousins); Mrs. GINN (niece); Mr. Noel and Mr. Alan DYER (nephews).   Among those also present were:- Mr. E. LYDDON, Mr. HOPKINS, Mr. APPLEBY, Dr. HERBERT, G. COOK, Mr. J. Richard THOMAS, J.P., Mr. E. Gwyn THOMAS, Mr. Penrose KERNICK, Mr. Carl MORGAN, Mr. Cyril MORGAN, Mr. J. P. DAVIES, Nurse STRANGE, Miss E. HENRY, and Miss WATTS (matron, Royal Hamadryad Seamen's Hospital). John Patrick

Some listers may not be fully conscious of the 'not so rare' phenomenon illustrated in the entry below. * Tabernacle Chapel, Penygarn, Pontypool Particular Baptist Erected 1835 Attendance - morning 200 + 40 scholars, afternoon 118 scholars, evening 320 "This church was formed in the C17th and in 1727 a chapel was built about half a mile out of Town called Penygarn. In consequence of the distance the present place was erected in Town, the old chapel still remaining with a large burying ground attached" Benjamin Jones, Senior Deacon, Grocer etc, Trosnant, Pontypool This is replicated in my 'home' villages of Cwmgors/Gwauncaegurwen, the original (Old) Carmel Ind Chapel being half way up the hillside above the villages (on the track that used to be a main route over the hills), and the New Carmel down on the main street. The cemetery continues to be used at Old Carmel, there is no graveyard at New Carmel - no room for one. The one in Llangiwg/Pontardawe being an example of a parish church becoming isolated from its community and lapsing into disuse. Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

Another comment with content relevant to south Wales' industrial history, and implications for 'push' emigration from both MON and GLA perhaps? * Talywaun, Abersychan (Trevethin parish, MON) ".....Yesterday's attendance at Church was less than usual [because of] ....... the Mid Lent Sunday custom of visiting parents etc ..... [also] many come from a distance, attendance not so large in winter ........ [also] the present depression in the Iron Trade. Not long since there were 12 Blast Furnaces working in this District, now there are only 7 and this according to the common computation would mean a difference from two to three thousand persons in the District, including workmen and their families." Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

Does anyone know anything about a Robert (Bertie) Williams born around 1907 in Merthyr Tydfil who was a Welsh International Footballer, please? He played at one time for Sheffield United. Thanks Heather

http://www.framedprintstorehouse.com/league_division_one_sheffield_united/print/4562166.html Could be him in this Photo. Robert Alun Chick (Penarth) -----Original Message----- From: Heather Smith <heather.smith8@virgin.net> To: GLAMORGAN <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 14:48 Subject: [GLA] Bertie Williams Welsh International Footballer Does anyone know anything about a Robert (Bertie) Williams born around 1907 in erthyr Tydfil who was a Welsh International Footballer, please? He played at one time for Sheffield United. Thanks Heather - To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com LAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at ttp://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found t http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - he South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and ttp://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I forgot to add that the second cert. of Baptism is RC. Nancy Clifford R. -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Rogers Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:01 PM To: 'Jeff Coleman'; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Clifford Family Hope Sean Duggan gets this. Hi Sean and All, Today I received the marriage certificate from GRO Wales. James Clifford 30 years old and Mary Corbitt 26 years old were married in 1852. It listed his age as 30 at the time of the marriage in 1852. His father's name is Patrick Clifford. I have already gotten 2 Baptism certificates from from rootsireland . The First: And the one I thought was correct originally had the father as Edmund and had the DO Bap as 21 Feb 1826. This James Clifford was Baptized In the church of Ireland at St. Mary's in Clonmel which is in Tipperary. If he was Baptized right after birth as was the custom, he would have been age 26 at the time of the marriage. The cert. of marriage lists him as 30 at the time of marriage. So there is an age discrepancy. The Second: No church name is given. Parish/District is NEWPORT Tipperary- Address is Killeen. Father's name is Patrick Clifford Date of Baptism 26May1828. That makes his age 24 at time of marriage. A discrepancy since his age is 30 on the marriage cert. but the father's name is the same as on the marriage certificate. James the lodger listed in the census in Cae Harris in the 1851 census and from Cahir Tipperary,was listed as being 32 that year and if he married the following year, would have been 33 on the marriage certificate. It really makes sense to me that James the lodger is the same as James my great-grandfather, but what do you think of all the age discrepancies?? In the 1870 US census, "my" James Clifford's (Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts) birth date was listed as about 1822 which would have made him 30 years old at the time he married. His death certificate has his estimated birth date as 1832,and his father's name as Patrick. I don't know if I've found my James! Sean, what do you think? I guess he's from Tipperay, but I don't know if I have the right one. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coleman Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:45 PM To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] Clifford Family I am sending this for Sean Duggan <seanduggan2@yahoo.com>, whose mails to the list are getting blocked because the automatic spam-protector dnsbl.sorbs.net used by Rootsweb is blocking mails that come from particular Yahoo.com servers. If you send mail to the list that is bounced back with some sort of explanation involving dnsbl.sorbs.net you should contact your ISP and ask them to sort it out. Jeff list admin Dear Nancy I think it very likely that your ancestor is, as John Tyner suggested on March 19, the James Clifford shown in the 1851 census living in Cae Harris, Dowlais. Cae Harris was about half a mile from Lower High Street where your ancestor James Clifford is known to have been living in 1861. And you know he was married in Dowlais less than a year after the 1851 census. The full 1851 reference is: RG number: HO107; piece 2459; folio 64; page 16. The Enumeration District is 1c; the registration district is Merthyr Tydfil; the sub-district is Merthyr Tydfil Upper. I will send you full details off-list. James is a lodger; single; aged 32; a labourer; born in Cahir, Tipperary. Find My Past has mistranscribed the birthplaces of at least four Tipperary-born lodgers in this household giving "Cloghran, Tipperary" for each of them. The image - available also on Ancestry - shows Clogheen for one, Cahir for the second, Cahir by ditto for the third (James Clifford), and possibly CaeHir, perhaps meaning Cahir, for the fifth. Cahir is a small town in the South Riding of Tipperary. It now has fewer than 4,000 people. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahir I'm afraid that marriage certificates from England and Wales do not show birthplaces. And no records were kept of passengers travelling from Ireland to Wales. But you are lucky already to have a fairly precise birthplace from a census. Soon, from the Welsh marriage certificate that you have applied for, you will have the names of the bride's and groom's fathers. The next step will be to check Catholic baptism registers in Ireland. There are as yet no comprehensive listings online but a pay-per-view site http://www.rootsireland.ie/ does claim to have all available records for many counties including Tipperary. It has a free index. There are 15 Clifford Baptisms (Catholic and Protestant) in the South Riding of Tipperary, which includes Cahir, in the period 1812-1826. You can limit your search by parish. Four of those 15 were baptized in the Catholic ("RC") parish of Cahir. You can also limit by child's and by father's first names. Eventually you will have to pay for whatever details are in the record. When searching, allow for two peculiarities: (1) first names may be in English, Latin, or abbreviated forms of either; (2) an Irishman was often known by his father's name rather than his own baptismal name. So your "James" may have been baptized eg Jacobus or Jac (Latin, abbreviated or not). Or he may have been given a completely different baptismal name but ever after known as James because that was his father's name. Remember too that he may have been baptized in a nearby parish and not in Cahir itself even if he was born there. Best wishes, Sean On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Nancy Rogers <rogers1n@comcast.net> wrote: > I'm trying so hard to find out where in Ireland my g-grandparents > lived before they arrived in Wales. > > Is there a list of ship's arrivals from Ireland to Wales? I haven't > found anything like that online. > > James Clifford and his wife Mary Ellen (Corbitt or Corbett) were > married in Methryr Tydfil in 1855. I have sent for their marriage > certificate and am waiting to receive it. In hopes that it lists where they came from. > > Now I'm wondering if there is an immigration record or ship's record > that shows them arriving in Wales from Ireland. > > Any ideas? > > Nancy Clifford R. -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hope Sean Duggan gets this. Hi Sean and All, Today I received the marriage certificate from GRO Wales. James Clifford 30 years old and Mary Corbitt 26 years old were married in 1852. It listed his age as 30 at the time of the marriage in 1852. His father's name is Patrick Clifford. I have already gotten 2 Baptism certificates from from rootsireland . The First: And the one I thought was correct originally had the father as Edmund and had the DO Bap as 21 Feb 1826. This James Clifford was Baptized In the church of Ireland at St. Mary's in Clonmel which is in Tipperary. If he was Baptized right after birth as was the custom, he would have been age 26 at the time of the marriage. The cert. of marriage lists him as 30 at the time of marriage. So there is an age discrepancy. The Second: No church name is given. Parish/District is NEWPORT Tipperary- Address is Killeen. Father's name is Patrick Clifford Date of Baptism 26May1828. That makes his age 24 at time of marriage. A discrepancy since his age is 30 on the marriage cert. but the father's name is the same as on the marriage certificate. James the lodger listed in the census in Cae Harris in the 1851 census and from Cahir Tipperary,was listed as being 32 that year and if he married the following year, would have been 33 on the marriage certificate. It really makes sense to me that James the lodger is the same as James my great-grandfather, but what do you think of all the age discrepancies?? In the 1870 US census, "my" James Clifford's (Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts) birth date was listed as about 1822 which would have made him 30 years old at the time he married. His death certificate has his estimated birth date as 1832,and his father's name as Patrick. I don't know if I've found my James! Sean, what do you think? I guess he's from Tipperay, but I don't know if I have the right one. Nancy -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coleman Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:45 PM To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] Clifford Family I am sending this for Sean Duggan <seanduggan2@yahoo.com>, whose mails to the list are getting blocked because the automatic spam-protector dnsbl.sorbs.net used by Rootsweb is blocking mails that come from particular Yahoo.com servers. If you send mail to the list that is bounced back with some sort of explanation involving dnsbl.sorbs.net you should contact your ISP and ask them to sort it out. Jeff list admin Dear Nancy I think it very likely that your ancestor is, as John Tyner suggested on March 19, the James Clifford shown in the 1851 census living in Cae Harris, Dowlais. Cae Harris was about half a mile from Lower High Street where your ancestor James Clifford is known to have been living in 1861. And you know he was married in Dowlais less than a year after the 1851 census. The full 1851 reference is: RG number: HO107; piece 2459; folio 64; page 16. The Enumeration District is 1c; the registration district is Merthyr Tydfil; the sub-district is Merthyr Tydfil Upper. I will send you full details off-list. James is a lodger; single; aged 32; a labourer; born in Cahir, Tipperary. Find My Past has mistranscribed the birthplaces of at least four Tipperary-born lodgers in this household giving "Cloghran, Tipperary" for each of them. The image - available also on Ancestry - shows Clogheen for one, Cahir for the second, Cahir by ditto for the third (James Clifford), and possibly CaeHir, perhaps meaning Cahir, for the fifth. Cahir is a small town in the South Riding of Tipperary. It now has fewer than 4,000 people. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahir I'm afraid that marriage certificates from England and Wales do not show birthplaces. And no records were kept of passengers travelling from Ireland to Wales. But you are lucky already to have a fairly precise birthplace from a census. Soon, from the Welsh marriage certificate that you have applied for, you will have the names of the bride's and groom's fathers. The next step will be to check Catholic baptism registers in Ireland. There are as yet no comprehensive listings online but a pay-per-view site http://www.rootsireland.ie/ does claim to have all available records for many counties including Tipperary. It has a free index. There are 15 Clifford Baptisms (Catholic and Protestant) in the South Riding of Tipperary, which includes Cahir, in the period 1812-1826. You can limit your search by parish. Four of those 15 were baptized in the Catholic ("RC") parish of Cahir. You can also limit by child's and by father's first names. Eventually you will have to pay for whatever details are in the record. When searching, allow for two peculiarities: (1) first names may be in English, Latin, or abbreviated forms of either; (2) an Irishman was often known by his father's name rather than his own baptismal name. So your "James" may have been baptized eg Jacobus or Jac (Latin, abbreviated or not). Or he may have been given a completely different baptismal name but ever after known as James because that was his father's name. Remember too that he may have been baptized in a nearby parish and not in Cahir itself even if he was born there. Best wishes, Sean On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Nancy Rogers <rogers1n@comcast.net> wrote: > I'm trying so hard to find out where in Ireland my g-grandparents > lived before they arrived in Wales. > > Is there a list of ship's arrivals from Ireland to Wales? I haven't > found anything like that online. > > James Clifford and his wife Mary Ellen (Corbitt or Corbett) were > married in Methryr Tydfil in 1855. I have sent for their marriage > certificate and am waiting to receive it. In hopes that it lists where they came from. > > Now I'm wondering if there is an immigration record or ship's record > that shows them arriving in Wales from Ireland. > > Any ideas? > > Nancy Clifford R. -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sending this for Sean Duggan <seanduggan2@yahoo.com>, whose mails to the list are getting blocked because the automatic spam-protector dnsbl.sorbs.net used by Rootsweb is blocking mails that come from particular Yahoo.com servers. If you send mail to the list that is bounced back with some sort of explanation involving dnsbl.sorbs.net you should contact your ISP and ask them to sort it out. Jeff list admin Dear Nancy I think it very likely that your ancestor is, as John Tyner suggested on March 19, the James Clifford shown in the 1851 census living in Cae Harris, Dowlais. Cae Harris was about half a mile from Lower High Street where your ancestor James Clifford is known to have been living in 1861. And you know he was married in Dowlais less than a year after the 1851 census. The full 1851 reference is: RG number: HO107; piece 2459; folio 64; page 16. The Enumeration District is 1c; the registration district is Merthyr Tydfil; the sub-district is Merthyr Tydfil Upper. I will send you full details off-list. James is a lodger; single; aged 32; a labourer; born in Cahir, Tipperary. Find My Past has mistranscribed the birthplaces of at least four Tipperary-born lodgers in this household giving "Cloghran, Tipperary" for each of them. The image - available also on Ancestry - shows Clogheen for one, Cahir for the second, Cahir by ditto for the third (James Clifford), and possibly CaeHir, perhaps meaning Cahir, for the fifth. Cahir is a small town in the South Riding of Tipperary. It now has fewer than 4,000 people. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahir I'm afraid that marriage certificates from England and Wales do not show birthplaces. And no records were kept of passengers travelling from Ireland to Wales. But you are lucky already to have a fairly precise birthplace from a census. Soon, from the Welsh marriage certificate that you have applied for, you will have the names of the bride's and groom's fathers. The next step will be to check Catholic baptism registers in Ireland. There are as yet no comprehensive listings online but a pay-per-view site http://www.rootsireland.ie/ does claim to have all available records for many counties including Tipperary. It has a free index. There are 15 Clifford Baptisms (Catholic and Protestant) in the South Riding of Tipperary, which includes Cahir, in the period 1812-1826. You can limit your search by parish. Four of those 15 were baptized in the Catholic ("RC") parish of Cahir. You can also limit by child's and by father's first names. Eventually you will have to pay for whatever details are in the record. When searching, allow for two peculiarities: (1) first names may be in English, Latin, or abbreviated forms of either; (2) an Irishman was often known by his father's name rather than his own baptismal name. So your "James" may have been baptized eg Jacobus or Jac (Latin, abbreviated or not). Or he may have been given a completely different baptismal name but ever after known as James because that was his father's name. Remember too that he may have been baptized in a nearby parish and not in Cahir itself even if he was born there. Best wishes, Sean On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Nancy Rogers <rogers1n@comcast.net> wrote: > I'm trying so hard to find out where in Ireland my g-grandparents lived > before they arrived in Wales. > > Is there a list of ship's arrivals from Ireland to Wales? I haven't found > anything like that online. > > James Clifford and his wife Mary Ellen (Corbitt or Corbett) were married in > Methryr Tydfil in 1855. I have sent for their marriage certificate and am > waiting to receive it. In hopes that it lists where they came from. > > Now I'm wondering if there is an immigration record or ship's record that > shows them arriving in Wales from Ireland. > > Any ideas? > > Nancy Clifford R.

My Thanks to Jane in Oz;for the link to the Cinema Site. It brings back such sweet memories of visiting the "Flicks"as we called them. Many a happy few hours were spent by me and other Kids at The Canton Cinema on the corner of Cowbridge Road East/Library Street,of "The Tanner Rush"on a Saturday Morning. A memorable incident I well remember was a kid Jumping up and down disturbing everyones enjoyment,and being Splattered with a Fresh Cream Cake in his Mush by another kid. It was like a scene out of "Laurel & Hardy". The Building is still there today,but it is now "Iceland Supermarket". Next door was the Local Rozzers,[Bogies,Cops,Peelers,Crushers,or whatever you call 'em?]Who would visit occasionally if any trouble was brewing? Down the road a piece was the "Coliseum"or "Flea Pit"as we called it! Where the seats down the front were like Deckchairs. When the Film conked out,Massive "Feet Stamping"was heard throughout the building like a Train going past! A rush of humanity out of the building was experienced when "God save the Queen"was being played after the Flicks were finished. Then "Ol' mine papa" was played on a Phonograph,I think? Cheers Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.

WESTERN MAIL THURSDAY DECEMBER 9. 1926.  No.310. CARDIFF RAILMAN'S DEATH. Alfred John MATTHEWS (62) 39, Talworth-street, Cardiff, a timber foreman on the Great Western Railway, was found on Thursday evening in a serious condition leaning against a wall in Adam-street, and was conveyed to the Royal Infirmary, where he died the same evening.   Medical evidence given at the inquest held by Mr. R. J. SMITH (the coroner) on Wednesday showed that MATTHEWS had suffered from cardiac and broncihal trouble and that his death was due to syncope.   The Coroner recorded a verdict accordingly. TANTALISED MAN-Wounds Cardiff Woman With Knife. Elias CASWELL (32), labourer, was sentenced to a months hard labour at Cardiff on Wednesday for wounding Cissie KINGSTON, with whom he had been living in Gough-street, with a table-knife.   The woman said she had been teasing CASWELL and he then cut her hand . She did not think he did it wilfully.   CASWELL said the woman tantalised him and struck her hand with a fork he was using for his dinner. PARENTS CRITICISED-Llanelly Girls Of 16 Late Night Dance. "This case sheds a very undesirable light upon what is happening in our town nowadays, when girls of sixteen years of age, armed with powder and reeking with scent, are allowed by their parents to go to these dancing-halls and to meet all sorts of people and to go on dancing until late at night. There is no wonder that that the sequel to all this matures in the police-court." said Mr. T. B. LUDFORD at Llanelly Police-court on Wednesday when Sally DAVIES, Heol Goffa, Llanelly, a girl of sixteen was summoned for stealing from the local dance-hall a hand-bag, contained amongst other things, an engagement ring valued at fifteen guineas. The whole contents of the bag were valued at £17.2s. The girl was also charged with receiving, and pleaded not guilty to both charges.   Mr. Ernest KANNERER prosecuted.   Sally BASSETT, North -parade, Aberystwyth, said that on November 2, after a dance in the Vauxhall Institute, she missed her handbag from the cloak-room.   Defendant said that the bag had been handed to her by another girl, who had gone to fetch her cloak from the cloak-room, and she had asked her to look after tha bag until the following day.    The girl referred to, Violet DONOGHUE, denied defendant's story.  The Bench found defendant guilty of larceny, and bound her over for twelve months. CARDIFF GOLDEN WEDDING. Mr. and Mrs. Frank PHILIP, of 22, Tin-street, Roath, Cardiff, celebrate their golden wedding to-day (Thursday). Mr. PHILIP is an ironmonger and furniture dealer and has been in business about 40 years. He came to Cardiff from Midhurst, Suusex. Mrs. PHILIP, a Miss Emma CHAPMAN, is a native of Porthcawl.   There are seven surviving children out of eleven, and fifteen grandchildren. WHITCHURCH MAN WEDS IN LONDON.   The wedding took place quietly at St. Jame's Church, Manchester-square, London on Wednesday of Mr. George Frederick LEWIS, O.B.E., and Miss Colleen Mary HOGAN.   The bridegroom is the eldest son of Mr. William Stephens LEWIS, of Mayton, Whitchurch, Cardiff, and the bride, who is of Wallandool, New South Wales, Australia, is the daughter of Mrs. B. G. WEYLAND, of Sydney. She was attended by one bridemaid, Miss Meme GRIFFITHS.   The best man was Mr. Arthur H. LEWIS, of Whitchurch, brother of the bridegroom.   After the ceremony a reception took place in the Grand Hotel, Northumberland-avenue. DRIVER DRUNK IN 'BUS-Merthyr Salvation Army Officer's Surprise.   Frederick Timothy WEBB (24), the driver of a motor-bus that had conveyed the Merthyr Salvation Army Band to Abertillery, was summoned at Abertillery on Wednesday for having  been drunk in charge of the vehicle.   Police-constable GLADWIN said WEBB drove along in a zig-zag fashion. When he got down from the 'bus he staggered , and when told that he would be taken to the police-station he became violent. Witness had to seek the assistance of three mere constables.   Adjutant G. H. LEWIS said that defendant drove the band to a musical festival at Abertillery. After the festival was over witness found WEBB asleep in the 'bus. His conditition was such that witness telephoned to the proprietors of the motor-bus to send another driver.   WEBB was sent to prison for two months and his licence suspended for twelve months. CARDIFF WOMAN MOTORIST FINED.   Mrs. Dinah ZIGMOND, of Albany-road, was fined 20s. and costs at Cardiff on Wednesday  for negligently driving a motor-car in Albany-road. She was alleged to have jerked forward and collided with a pedal cyclist (a woman stated to be stone deaf) on November 23.   Mr. R. BOOTH prosecuted, and Mr. Barnett JANNER defended.   Defendant said the cyclist rode into the car. John Patrick

Dear List, Came across this informative website today. Thought it may interest some on the list. Contains a lot of interesting facts and names. http://cinematreasures.org/location/country=180&state=77&view=expand&show=all Regards Jane M ( W. Auss)