Do not assume that all ages on marriage certificates are accurate. Of there was a disparity in ages, the older partner may well have knocked a few years off age, and, especially if not marrying with family witnesses, ladies below the age of 21 may have added a few years. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anita" <coffecup2001@optusnet.com.au> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:59 PM Subject: [GLA] Aberffraw birth cirtificate help wanted > Hello, > > I would like to thank everyone for their help and advice. > > All I can add is from = family story and marriage certificate, "Robert was > born in Anglesey North Wales." > > No parents on marriage certificate.. sorry. > > He married Rachel Lewis in 1851. Robert was an engine driver in Wales and > also when he came to Australia. > > On the marriage certificate dated 1851, Robert's age is 38 years so that > means he was born in 1813 + or - 1 year. > > Above his age there is 5/13, does that mean 13th May 1813? I do not know. > Wishful thinking I think. > > Robert is a brick wall I am trying knock down, brick by brick. > > > > Thank you again. > > > > Kind regards > > Anita in Australia > > > > ******************************** > > Hello, > > Can anyone please help me is getting a birth certificate? > > Robert Roberts born in Aberffraw on Anglesey., somewhere between 1809 or > 1813. > > Some of the family dates has Robert being born in 1809 and others have him > being born in 1813. > > On his marriage certificate under "Age" he wrote 5/13, 38 years. Married > on > 21/6/1851. = birth 1813 (I have marriage certificate) > > I am sorry I can't help with any more information, as he is a very high > brick wall in the family. > > Please contact me if anyone is able to help. > > > > Regards > > Anita in Australia >

Hi List. I have been catching up on the last week or so of e.mails. The one from Edward Llwellyn-Jones caught my eye. I have Alice Butcher died aged six, with no death certificate at Bridgend Office or the G.R.O. She is the first name on the family gravestone in the Nebo Chapel in Cefn Cribwr, Glamorganshire. Her parents were Thomas Butcher and Sarah Haines, both of Wiltshire. They married in Glamorgan in 1852, one month before Alice died. Thomas and Sarah knew each other in Wiltshire as they both lived as children in the same house. Thomas is on the 1851 census in Cefn. There is no sign of Sarah or Alice. There is also no birth certificate for Alice anywhere, so far. I do not hold out much hope of finding any more information. Brian

WESTERN MAIL WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 15. 1926.  No. 336. INSURED MAN'S DEATH-Mountain Ash Sister Wins Court Action.   Judge Rowland ROWLANDS resumed the hearing at Mountain Ash County-court on Tuesday of a claim brought by Mrs. Mary Ann OWEN, of Mountain Ash, against the Scottish Legal Assurance Company for a sum of £32 on a policy in respect of the life of her brother. Thomas LEWIS, who had seen service in the Great War.    Mr. A. J. WILLIAMS, Pontypridd, appeared for the plaintiff, and Mr. D. HOPKINS (instructed by Mr. J. W. LEWIS, Merthyr) represented the defendants.   It was contended for the defence that the insured man was not in good health when the proposal form was filled in and that an "untrue representation" had been made. The defence alleged that the man had suffered from chronic bronchial catarrh.   In giving judgment for the plaintiff for the amount of the claim, his Honour pointed out that the defence had not satisfied him that LEWIS was not in good health in the ordinary sense of the term. He had to judge people by the ordinary standards of life and not according to the "standards of good health" set by science or by doctors in an abstract way. ROMANCE IN A NEWPORT SCHOOL.   Romance in a Newport school was disclosed at a meeting of the local secondary education committee, when the resignation of Miss Ethel BUCKINGHAM, B.A., and Mr. T. E. J. HEWITT, B.Sc., of Brynglas Central School, were received. It was announced that the two teachers were to be married and would subsequently leave for Australia, where Mr. HEWITT had secured an appointment. Mr. James PITMAN, secretary of the Nantyglo and Blaina Hospital, has received from Mrs. Annie EVANS, of Aberkenfig, a cheque for £25. for the hospital Christmas celebrations. Timothy McCARTHY (50), of 54, Ninian-Park-road, Cardiff, employed by Messrs. BLAND and Co., fell from a wagon whilst at work, and was admitted to the Cardiff Royal Infirmary suffering from injuries to his ribs. NEW BANK MANAGER-Barry Man For Barclays Branch At Bala.   Dr. Raymond JONES, of Barry, has been appointed manager of Barclays Bank (Limited) at Bala, North Wales. The elder son of Mr. J. JONES, Parkstone, Barry, (who is well known in Church and and business circles). Mr.  Raymond JONES was educated at Porth County School and Queen's College, Taunton. Commencing his career at Roman-road, London, where he was for seven years, he later went to Narberth, Cowbridge, St. Clears, and Swansea. During the war Mr. JONES, who is now 38 years of age, served with his Majesty's Forces in the Mechanical Transport R.A.S.C. CHRISTMAS FUND-More Contributions. Mr. J. F. INDERWICK, 286, Newport-road. 0-10-0 Mr. W. Lowrie BAKER, 28, Charles-street. 0-10-6 Miss C. LEWIS, 39, Richmond-road. 1-0-0 Mr. Robert ENGLAND, Pine Grange, Beaufoy-avenue, Ferndown, Dorset. 1-1-0 Mr. F. B. STOCKDALE, Butcher, 168, Penarth-road. 1-0-0 Messrs. HOUNSLOW (Limited), 82, Queen-street. Cardiff. 1-1-0 Mr. and Mrs. Frank DAVIES, 9, Llwynygrant-road. 1-1-0 Mr. and Mrs. C. P. LLOYD, 49, Pencisely-road. 1-1-0 Mr. Fred GLOSSOP, Faircot, Crynant-road. 1-1-0 Miss M. DUNCAN, Glencairn, Llandaff. 1-1-0 John Patrick

Hello Aidan Perhaps the answer lies not with the Rev William Williams but rather the pressures placed upon him, either by the community or to someone he owed his living to. My gran used to tell me of two spinsters who ruled the little village she lived in with a rod of iron. Ensuring that the sabbath was observed. Gareth Because not all clerical minds will ever think in exactly the same way - either then or today! :-) I had a quick look to try to ascertain the background of the clergyman in question (Rev William Williams, Rector of Llanddyvnan with Llanfair-mathafarn-eithaf from 1844 onwards), but couldn't find much - Crockford 1865 suggests that he wasn't a graduate of any particular university, nor are any previous parishes mentioned. AJ

Hello Alan The Holly Bush Inn is in Llanfihangel Abercywyn, Carmarthen. Perhaps you could try the dyfed list. To contact the DYFED list administrator, send an email to > DYFED-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DYFED mailing list, send an email to > DYFED@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DYFED-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DYFED Digest, Vol 6, Issue 166 > ************************************* > ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Gareth ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi list My grandmother Sarah Jane Groves adress on the 1871 census is recorded as Holly Cush Inn St Clares Carmarthen.can anybody give me any information about this adress. regards A Jones

CardiffWESTERN MAIL WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 15.  1926.  No. 335. SHUNTING TRAGEDY-Coal Wagons Jump Rails At Abercwmboi.   Charles Frederick George COVE (40), living at Ash-street, Abercwmboi, was killed on Tuesday while working as a brakesman at the Aberaman Colliery Yard during shunting operations. Two wagons of coal jumped the rails and pinned him between one of the buffers and a pipe alongside the line. COVE leaves a widow and seven children. FATAL PIT ACCIDENT-Cardiff Mining Engineer's Death.   Dr. R. J. SMITH on Tuesday opened the inquest at Cardiff on Walter William DAVIES, of 67, Tydraw-road, Cardiff, a mining engineer, who met with an accident at the North Pit of the Windsor Colliery, Abertyridwr on Friday, as a result of which he died at the Cardiff Royal Infirmary on Saturday.   Mrs. Amy Beatrice MILES, 68, Tydraw-road, whose step-daughter was the wife of DAVIES, said at the hospital DAVIES, apart from his statement that he believed his thigh was injured, had not told her anything about the accident.   It was stated that a colliery surveyor named Mr. HARDY, who was injured at the same time as DAVIES, and was still under treatment at the Infirmary, and was an essential witness.   The inquest was, therefore, adjourned until January 7.   Mr. Jenkin PHILLIPS represented Mrs. DAVIES, wife of deceaesd. SIX BELLS CHILD'S FATAL FALL.   "Accidental death" was the verdict returned by Mr. W. R. DAUNCEY at Abertillery on Tuesday at an inquest on Donald James DAVIDGE, the two-year-old-son, of John Edward DAVIDGE, a Six Bells collier. The child fell downstairs and sustained a fractured skull. DIED IN ABERTILLERY PIT.   Mr. W. R. DAUNCEY returned a verdict of "Death from natural causes" at an inquest held on John SUMMER (42), a collier, Gladstone-street, Abertillery, who died in the Penybont Pit last Saturday.   Medical evidence showed that deceased had suffered from a gastric ulcer and had been attended for the past three months. BLAENAVON MAN FOUND HANGING.   William Edward DAVIES (52), living at Tovey-square, Risle Green, Blaenavon, who had been unemployed, was found in his bedroom hanging from a bed-rail on Tuesday. FUNERAL OF MISS A JONES, CARDIFF.   The funeral took place on Tuesday at Cardiff Cemetery of Miss Ada Mabel JONES, of Preswyfla, Ninian-road, Cardiff, daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Daniel JONES, of Preswylfa, Richmond-road, Cardiff. The Rev. Ambrose LEWIS, A.T.S., of Woodville-road, Baptist Church, officiated.   The chief mourners were: Mr. and Mrs. H. G. JONES and Mr. and Mrs. Fred S. JONES (brothers and sisters-in-law), Mr. and Mrs. T. L. GRIFFITHS (brother-in-law and sister), the Misses, Margaret, Eleanor, and Gertrude JONES, and Mrs. J. W. HALL, (sisters), Dr. Constance GRIFFITHS, and Mr. W. BAWDEN, London (nieces), Capt. Lyn JONES, Messrs. Clifford GRIFFITHS, and Jeffrey HALL (nephews), Mr. David FRANCIS, (cousin), Lord PONTYPRIDD, Mrs. James BAYLISS, Mr. Price HOPKINS, and Mr. Charles DUTTON. John Patrick.

Help please in my search for my ancestors John & Dinah Rees I have just a few clues on my Dinah & John Rees family from the Rhondda as follows: First: Unable to locate the family on the 1911 census. Marriage took place in Merthyr Tydfil Register Office on 4 August 1901. John Rees aged 24 years bachelor Coal Miner. Father William Rees also a coal miner. John Rees is living in Abercanaid on the 1901 census age given as 25 years born Clydach Vale residing with John Evans a relative of Dinah Evans who he married. Unable to locate John or William Rees in Clydach Vale on previous census reports.Is Aberkenfig or Glyncorrwg near Clydach Vale, please? 1891 census two possibilities I am not familiar with the Rhondda. Father William. John Rees aged 17 born Aberkenfig living in Evanstown Aberkenfig. Registration District Bridgend? Father William. John Rees aged 19 born Glyncorrwg living in Abergwynfi Registration district Neath? Dinah Evans married aged 20 years a spinster. Father Richard Evans Coal Miner. Born Treherbert living in Abercanaid. Family originally from Merthyr Tydfil. 19 years on 1901 census in Merthyr Tydfil. Couple had two sons names unknown. One later kept a newsagents in Clydach Vale & the other the Wool Pack Inn in Glynneath so I was told by the family but unable to confirm. Unable to locate death certificate of my Dinah Rees or burial place & too many John Rees deaths to be able to check. I would be grateful for any ideas. All the best Heather

The census image has Holly Bush Inn, Station Road. David -----Original Message----- From: ALAN JONES Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 4:24 PM To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] Holly Cush Inn Hi list My grandmother Sarah Jane Groves adress on the 1871 census is recorded as Holly Cush Inn St Clares Carmarthen.can anybody give me any information about this adress. regards A Jones -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1500/3640 - Release Date: 05/15/11

There and address for a builing company at 1 HOLLYBUSH STATION ROAD, ST CLEARS, CARMARTHEN, SA33 4BZ This building might have been the old inn ? Try carmarthenshire mailing list Regards Bryan

Hi list My grandmother Sarah Jane Groves adress on the 1871 census  is recorded as Holly Cush Inn St Clares Carmarthen.can anybody give me any information about this adress. regards A Jones

After the last one this suggests there was more than one outspoken clergyman about in AGY ! * Llanfairneubwll Parish Church Attendance - (usual) 10/14 "No Education. If we were living in South Africa a society would erect a school for us, but here we have no day school in this 3 parishes: viz. Llanfairneubwll, Llanynghenedle, Llanfihangelnowyn" Informant; Robert Price BTW, my Welsh place name spelling is much improved after this entry. And I also just navigated through the Llanfairpwllgwyngyll entry - at least it was the short version :-) Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

Hi Gareth Well, yes, I'd sympathise with that - but why didn't the other 99.9% of the clergy feel the same I wonder? Or perhaps this chap was braver than most............. Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Morgan Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 1:41 PM To: Dyfed FamHist ; Glam Subject: Re: [GLA] [Dyfed] Genuki - 1851 Religious Census Hello Gareth Perhaps he objected to doing work other than God's work on a Sunday. Gareth

What a precious (valuable precious) window into living conditions! With those names I am surprised your fingers aren't pretzels! Eliz On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Gareth <tirbach@clara.co.uk> wrote: > After the last one this suggests there was more than one outspoken clergyman > about in AGY ! > > * Llanfairneubwll Parish Church       Attendance - (usual) 10/14 > "No Education. If we were living in South Africa a society would erect a > school for us, but here we have no day school in this 3 parishes: viz. > Llanfairneubwll, Llanynghenedle, Llanfihangelnowyn" > Informant; Robert Price > > > BTW, my Welsh place name spelling is much improved after this entry. > And I also just navigated through the Llanfairpwllgwyngyll entry - at least > it was the short version  :-) > > Gareth > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Gareth Perhaps he objected to doing work other than God's work on a Sunday. Gareth

I've extracted a lot of entries from this Religious Census by now, all over Wales, but this one in AGY is the first I've seen where the clergyman has openly stated his objection to counting the congregation on the Sabbath. There have been other instances where attendance figures have been omitted from the returns - but without comment. I must confess to not knowing what this objection might have been based on given that the vast majority of churches have indeed provided the numbers. * Llanfair-mathafarn-eithaf Parish Church (Diocese of Bangor) Attendance - (average) morning 90, afternoon 150 "I give the general estimated average rather than be a party to have the congregation counted on the Sabbath" W Williams, Rector Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

In addition to Newcastle Emlyn and the Newcastle in Bridgend, there is Little Newcastle in Pembrokeshire.

Bryan Richards wrote: The Newcastle in Wales is called Newcastle Emlyn ================ Dear Margaret, Part of Bridgend (Glamorgan) is also called Newcastle. See: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Newcastle/ Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists

WESTERN MAIL WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 15. 1926. No. 334. BANKRUPT STOCK-Cardiff Man For Trial On Fraud Charge.   Charged with having obtained the sum of £4. from Young's Bakeries (Cardiff), Limited, by means of a trick. William EDWARDS (47) was at Cardiff on Tuesday committed for trial at the quarter sessions.   Edward YOUNG, managing director of the company, said prisoner called upon him and stated that he had a bankrupt stock of flour and sugar which he wished to sell. Having being assured that it was a straight deal, witness agreed to take the goods, and the prisoner's request gave him £4 to get them cleared. The goods, it was stated, were not delivered, neither was the money returned. PROPERTY MARKET- Cardiff Houses Sold.   Messrs. S. M. WILKINSON and Co. (F.A.I.), Cardiff, disposed of the following properties at the Royal Hotel, Cardiff, on Tuesday evening:-No.2.Rawden-place, Cardiff, lease 99 years, September, 1878, a.g.r. £4.10s., to Mr. D. BOWEN, Cardiff, for £730; 115, King's-road, Cardiff (freehold) for £650 to Mr. H. C. PERRY, Cardiff; and 68, Cardiff-road, Llandaff (freehold), to Mr. J. D. WATTS, Llandaff, for £825. Mr. Thomas JOHN was the solicitor concerned. LLANHARAN TRIAL ENDS.-Three Men Sentenced To One Month.   The hearing was continued before Mr. Justice WRIGHT of the case in which nineteen prisoners from the Pontyclun district were charged with unlawful assembly, intimidation, and persistant following in Llanharan on August 17.   Lord HALSBURY, K.C., and Mr. Kirkhouse JENKINS appeared for the prosecution, and Mr. Artemus JONES K.C., and Mr. Trevor HUNTER for the defence.   The prisoners were Edwin HUCKRIDGE, aged 46, collier; Eli ASHMAN, aged 33, coalcutter; William PARSONS, age 35, collier; Arthutr BIRD, aged 20, haulier; Charles FOX, aged 25, surface labourer; John GREENSLADE, aged 28, haulier; Brinley DOBBS, aged 23, labourer; George BUTLER, aged 22, collier; Evan BARTLETT, aged 33, chargeman; Jacob David NORTH, aged 31, haulier; Albert SMITH, aged 24, repairer; William CHANDLER, aged 19, engine-driver; Frederick BAKER, aged 23, labourer; Thomas WHITE, aged 18, collier; Sarah MANFIELD, aged 30; Beatrice FRONWEN, aged 30; Elizabeth RIDDLER, aged 52; Beatrice BAKER, aged 42; and Elsie BENNETT, aged 27.    The allegation was that when a man named SMITH came off his work at Meiros Colliery, a crowd of over 1,000 gathered, and the police had difficulty in keeping some of them from getting at SMITH, who was afraid to go to work afterwards.   Lord HALSBURY did not press the charge of persistently following.   Edwin HUCKRIDGE, Eli ASHMAN, and William PARSONS were found guilty of unlawful assembly and sentenced to one month each; Arthur BIRD, Charles FOX, William CHANDLER, Frederick BAKER, and Thomas WHITE were bound over. The eleven others were found not guilty and discharged. ROATH NONAGENARIAN.   Mrs. Hannah HYETT, who would have been 96, on Christmas Day, has died at her residence ,13, Inverness-place, Roath, Cardiff.   A native of Newnham, Gloucestershire, Mrs. HYETT came to Cardiff about 60 years ago. She was the widow of Mr. James Henry HYETT, a Taff Vale Railway foreman, and is survived by four daughters. MR. J. BALMER, CARDIFF. The death took place on Tuesday of Mr. John BALMER, who for nearly 60 years had been engaged in business at Cardiff Docks as a member of the firm of Messrs. STALLYBRASS, and BALMER, and Co. Mr. BALMER was one of the many Tyneside businessmen who have settled down have settled down in Cardiff. He was 91 years of age and retired from business in 1919. Mrs. BALMER, predeceased him some years ago, and he is survived by his only son, Mr. C. S. BALMER, foriegn coaling agent, the Docks, Cardiff. John Patrick.

Hi Margaret, Any details of his christian names and age ? The Newcastle in Wales is called Newcastle Emlyn If you go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp Type in word or phrase " Macpherson" in the department series code type in BT372 the result gives you the dates and places of birth of all Macpeherson born from 1910 who were mariner/seafarers. If he is amongst the list, you maybe lucky and be able to get a copy of his identity card. I say lucky as not all the seamans pouches under BT372 have any surviving records. If he was born before 1910 suggest you contact Southampton Archives who have seamans cards for persons born around the late 1800's and who were at sea around the early 1918 to 1941. http://www.southampton.gov.uk/s-leisure/artsheritage/history/maritimehistory/centralindex.aspx Regards Bryan www.swanseamariners.org.uk

Hello Listers, A few years ago I had a lot of help from this list, and so I decided to ask for assistance once more. I am doing this on behalf of a cousin in Canada who is looking for a relative who has not been mentioned in Canadian records since 1910. However, according to his sister's Obituary he was still alive in the 1940s and living in "South Wales". He was not mentioned in the Obituary of another relative who died in the 1950s. He was a seafaring gentleman called M(a)CPHERSON and my cousin tells me he has located 4 "possibles", but he does not recognised the districts concerned. They are: Henley; Marylebone; Newcastle T. and Whitehaven. I know of all of these in England, but I believe that there are also places called Newcastle in Wales. I should be very grateful if someone could tell me about them, and suggest how I might proceed. Thank you. Best wishes to all, Margaret Buchanan Aberdeen, Scotland.