Hi Please can anyone tell me if there is a photo available of Bethlehem Chapel, Peterston Super Montem, Glamorgan ? Thanks Evelyn

Re the forwarded message: The are/were two Methodist(Wesleyan) chapels in Treherbert. The English Methodist in Dunraven Street is still a functioning chapel. The Welsh Methodist(Saron) was located quite near at the end of Dumfries Street. That was demolished many years ago. The Wesleyan chapels are organised into circuits so the records could be listed in the circuit rather than the chapel. The English circuit was Rhondda, Tonypandy and renamed Rhondda & Ely Valley in 1967. The Welsh circuit was Treorchy, later Treorchy & Caerau. The local cemetry for Treherbert is in Treorchy. I believe that the Treorchy reference library has an index of burials. It also holds a complete run of The Rhondda Leader, the local weekly newspaper for the area. The Western Mail would be the daily source. Hope this helps ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Cc: ""Katie Thomas"" <katiet223@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:13 PM Subject: [GLA] Fw: Edited message > Please reply to "Katie Thomas" <katiet223@yahoo.com> as well as to the > list. > >>From FreeBMD www.freebmd.org.uk it appears that Gabriel T DRAKES was >>born > in Pontypridd registration district in 1912 and in 1943 married > Eluned M. THOMAS. So far FreeBMD has only one birth of a child with the > surname DRAKES whose mother's maiden name was THOMAS, in 1947, but there > may > have been more in years that have not yet been transcribed. > > Another online source gives a death for Eluned Mair DRAKES in 1991 in > Pontypridd Registration District and of Gabriel Theophilus DRAKES in 1975 > in > the same district. I suspect that there may be a living granddaughter with > middle name Eluned recorded in more recent birth indexes. > > Treherbert was in Pontypridd registration district at the relevant dates. > > It is likely that Katie will welcome any information about the occupation > of > 'screenman', about Ocean Colliery and about Wesleyan Methodist places of > worship in or near Treherbert, as well as likely burial location > (Trealaw?) > and in what publications if any an obituary or death notice may have > appeared shortly after 20th October 1955. > > There appear to be some relevant Wesleyan records ( simply listed as > Methodist after Methodist Union in 1932) held at Glamorgan Record Office, > listed at http://www.glamro.gov.uk/adobe/noncon.pdf > > As the list contains members in all parts of the world it is probably best > to use the names of months, or abbreviations for them, rather than purely > numeric dates in the UK (20/10/1955) or US (10/20/1955) styles. > > Jeff > list admin, Glamorgan list > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Katie Thomas" <katiet223@yahoo.com> > To: <glamorgan-admin@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:28 PM > Subject: Edited message > > >> Hi Listers, >> >> I am seeking info. on/contact with descendants of William Thomas >> (1876-1955) and family of Treherbert. 'Will' Thomas was the son of Robert >> and Margaret Owen Thomas of Anglesey. Between 1894-1910 he served with >> the >> Royal Welsh Fusileers. On 11/18/1904 in Caernarvon he married Jane Mary >> Jones. Will and Jane had four known children born bet. 1905-1914; >> William, >> Robert, Gwladys,and Eluned. Following his Army service Will moved to this >> area to work in the collieries. He passed away 10/20/1955 in Treherbert. >> He was listed as a retired screenman at the Ocean colliery and living at >> 43 Kenry St. The informant was listed as Mrs. Gabriel T. Drakes of >> Treherbert. >> >> I'd like help to identify local cemeteries where the family members may >> be >> buried. In his military records Will's religion was listed as Wesleyan. >> Does anyone have a suggestion of which cemetery they may be buried, and >> where I can find burial listings for the local cemeteries? >> >> Thanks. Katie, NY, USA katiet223@yahoo.com >> > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Heather >From the link at the bottom of our messages you can get to. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/MichaelstonSuperAvon/Chapels.html Then a search on Archives Wales which tells you. Their online catalogue allows you with a single search to obtain information about more than 7,000 collections of historical records in the holdings of 21 archives in Wales. These archives are open to the public and you can use this site to plan your visit and find out more. Archives Wales forms part of the UK's National Archives Network. http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/search_index.php?id=1465&acc_type=4 1 Glamorgan Archives: Bruce family of Monknash records Deeds, 1728-1856; leases, 1861-1865; tenancy agreements, 1906-1912; deeds, 1873-1936; estate plans and related correspondence, 1873-1943; building plans re. property at Loughton, Essex, 1903-1912 and property in Wales, 1910-1913; estate rentals and accounts, 1904-1939; papers and deeds re. colleries... 2 West Glamorgan Archive Service: Jerusalem Chapel, Pontrhydyfen, marriage registers Jerusalem Chapel, Pontrhydyfen, marriage registers, 1965-1991.... 3 West Glamorgan Archive Service: Pontrhydyfen School log books Log books, 1866-1957.... Gareth --- On Thu, 19/5/11, Heather Smith <heather.smith8@virgin.net> wrote: Does anyone know which local newspapers may have been in circulation for Pontrhydfen in 1868, please? The old registers for Jerusalem Chapel appear to be lost. The chapel has been remodeled as a business although the graves are still there including a memorial to Richard Burton who was a member of the Jenkins family and was born in Pontrhydfen. Is there anyone on the list from Pontrhydfen who may have an idea who may have the registers? I know that many registers are lost for chapels. All the best Heather

Please reply to "Katie Thomas" <katiet223@yahoo.com> as well as to the list. >From FreeBMD www.freebmd.org.uk it appears that Gabriel T DRAKES was born in Pontypridd registration district in 1912 and in 1943 married Eluned M. THOMAS. So far FreeBMD has only one birth of a child with the surname DRAKES whose mother's maiden name was THOMAS, in 1947, but there may have been more in years that have not yet been transcribed. Another online source gives a death for Eluned Mair DRAKES in 1991 in Pontypridd Registration District and of Gabriel Theophilus DRAKES in 1975 in the same district. I suspect that there may be a living granddaughter with middle name Eluned recorded in more recent birth indexes. Treherbert was in Pontypridd registration district at the relevant dates. It is likely that Katie will welcome any information about the occupation of 'screenman', about Ocean Colliery and about Wesleyan Methodist places of worship in or near Treherbert, as well as likely burial location (Trealaw?) and in what publications if any an obituary or death notice may have appeared shortly after 20th October 1955. There appear to be some relevant Wesleyan records ( simply listed as Methodist after Methodist Union in 1932) held at Glamorgan Record Office, listed at http://www.glamro.gov.uk/adobe/noncon.pdf As the list contains members in all parts of the world it is probably best to use the names of months, or abbreviations for them, rather than purely numeric dates in the UK (20/10/1955) or US (10/20/1955) styles. Jeff list admin, Glamorgan list ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Thomas" <katiet223@yahoo.com> To: <glamorgan-admin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: Edited message > Hi Listers, > > I am seeking info. on/contact with descendants of William Thomas > (1876-1955) and family of Treherbert. 'Will' Thomas was the son of Robert > and Margaret Owen Thomas of Anglesey. Between 1894-1910 he served with the > Royal Welsh Fusileers. On 11/18/1904 in Caernarvon he married Jane Mary > Jones. Will and Jane had four known children born bet. 1905-1914; William, > Robert, Gwladys,and Eluned. Following his Army service Will moved to this > area to work in the collieries. He passed away 10/20/1955 in Treherbert. > He was listed as a retired screenman at the Ocean colliery and living at > 43 Kenry St. The informant was listed as Mrs. Gabriel T. Drakes of > Treherbert. > > I'd like help to identify local cemeteries where the family members may be > buried. In his military records Will's religion was listed as Wesleyan. > Does anyone have a suggestion of which cemetery they may be buried, and > where I can find burial listings for the local cemeteries? > > Thanks. Katie, NY, USA katiet223@yahoo.com >

Does anyone know which local newspapers may have been in circulation for Pontrhydfen in 1868, please? The old registers for Jerusalem Chapel appear to be lost. The chapel has been remodeled as a business although the graves are still there including a memorial to Richard Burton who was a member of the Jenkins family and was born in Pontrhydfen. Is there anyone on the list from Pontrhydfen who may have an idea who may have the registers? I know that many registers are lost for chapels. All the best Heather

Hi Gareth, My late Welsh Dad brought us up to respect all religions and was very upset with the local Dean of the Catholic Church when he chastised our family from the pulpit for attending a funeral of a dear young friend in the Anglican Church. My eldest brother was asked by his family to be a Pallbearer as he and this young 19yr old were old friends and were joining the Air force together. Our family walked out of the church and it took a very remorseful Dean who came to the house begging forgiveness before Dad and Mum relented. All was forgiven but it took many years before our local priests would allow their Catholic Parishioners to enter another church. Dad said this never happened in Wales as all religions were Sacred Houses of the Lord and everyone was welcome. Hence the article about "attending one church in the morning and another in the afternoon"! Kind regards, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth" <tirbach@clara.co.uk> To: "Glamorgan List" <Glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:42 PM Subject: [GLA] Genuki - 1851 Religious Census - again > The latter comment below from AGY was a surprise to me. > > I've no knowledge of such 'dual allegiance' in my non conformist family in > early/mid C20th > Glamorgan anyway. > Although the ancient parish church of Llangiwg was a fair distance away, a > local church did open up in 1886. > Probably a case of non conformism becoming established in many families > 'early > on' and remaining the natural choice across the generations. > > > * "It is well known that in Wales those who attend Church at one point > of the day generally attend Dissenting places of Worship at another" > Llanfihangel Esgeifiog (AGY) > > > Gareth > Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ > Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Anna Many thanks for this information which has been very useful. Best wishes for website and I have replied in greater detail off-line. Edward Message: 6 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:02:12 +0100 From: Anna & Theo Brueton <bruetons@anoeth.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [GLA] Welsh Chapels in London To: Edward Llewellyn-Jones <edwardllansamlet@gmail.com>, GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <4DA2FC0B00C65F83@honeysuckle.london.02.net> (added by postmaster@honeysuckle.london.02.net) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear Edward The London Branch of the Welsh Family History Societies maintains on its website a list of Welsh chapels and churches in London - see http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlslbfhs/chapels.htm , items MC1-3 and MC21 . This is very much a "work in progress" and we would welcome comments from anyone who spots errors or has more infomation. There are pictures of Wilton Square Chapel and of Southwark Welsh Congregational Chapel on the Collage website of the London Guildhall and Metropolitan archives - go to http://collage.cityoflondon.gov.uk/collage/ and enter "Welsh chapel". This is a wonderful resource for pictures of London. Hope this helps Anna

Pamela Many thanks for the information; it has been really helpful. Edward Message: 4 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:58:36 +0100 From: "Pamela Marsden" <davidpam@globalnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [GLA] Welsh Chapels in London To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: < C403B469A3BA4080932C6104620CE8C4@Inspiron545> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Edward, "The Welsh in London 1500-2000" ed. Emrys Jones has a chapter on Welsh chapels by Rhidian Griffiths which contains a reference (pp166-167) to Crosby Row: "The mother church of the Calvinistic Methodists at Jewin Crescent spawned causes at.............Crosby Row (successor to the Cambrian) in 1861. .........................In 1889 the CMs of Crosby Row built a new chapel at Falmouth Road." 'The Cambrian' appears to refer to the Cambrian Union Society's Chapel for Seamen. Wilton Square (pp 166-167): "The presence of building firms in north London owned by Welshmen drew Welsh workers to the Islington area and a Sunday School was established at Hoxton in 1848, which grew into the chapel opened at Wilton Square in 1853." Pamela Marsden Message: 5 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 11:23:09 +0100 From: "Pamela Marsden" <davidpam@globalnet.co.uk> Subject: Re: [GLA] Welsh Chapels in London To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: < 680E8F30DB794B25BA959120AC398147@Inspiron545> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Here is some further information: Bethel chapel at corner of Wilton Sq. and Wilton Pl. built by Welsh Calvinistic Meths. 1853; rebuilt 1884. Seated 400 c. 1894. Attendance 1903: 95 a.m.; 232 p.m. Sect became Presb. Ch. of Wales 1933. Chapel closed between 1947 and 1953; restored as hostel 1955 by St. Vincent's Housing Assoc. From: 'Islington: Protestant nonconformity', A History of the County of Middlesex: Volume 8: Islington and Stoke Newington parishes (1985), pp. 101-115. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=9522

David, Many thanks for the information and apologies for the ambiguous term. Unfortunately the inscription on the pen given my great grandfather simply reads 'Crosby Row Chapel', while the certificate given to my great uncle's son reads 'Wilton Square Welsh Chapel' which has been hand written. I had thought Wilton Square might have been Congregational as my great aunt came from a staunch Congregational family so your information that there wasn't one in either Finsbury or Islington in 1903 explains why she attended a CM chapel. Your information has been helpful; thanks. Edward Message: 3 Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:27:58 +0100 From: "David" <david.bolton83@talktalk.net> Subject: Re: [GLA] Welsh Chapels in London To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: < 57E7A5D765B1486F8C31E2C6D09AA413@db> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Edward, The term 'Welsh Chapel' is a little ambigious as the actual denomination would help. I have a complete list of the Congregational Chapels for 1903 and I find the following: Southwark Bridge Road: formed in 1786: The minister in 1902 was D.C.Jones(settled 1890) I can not see any Welsh chapels(Congregational) in either Finsbury or Islington fpr this denomination at 1903. I also have a complete list for the Baptists at 1895 and I find the following: Finsbury, Eldon Street: formed 1822. The chapel did not have a pastor at 1895 I can not see any Welsh Chapels(Baptist) in Southwark in 1895. Moving on to an complete list for both denominations at 1937, Southwark Bridge Road is still listed (formation date now shown at 1806 !!) There is no listing for Eldon Street in 1937. Moving on, finally, to 1972 and Southwark Bridge Road is no longer listed. For the Wesleyans, I do not have the circuit details for any part of London but whether any chapel was 'Welsh' that is also rather unclear. Hope this helps a little.

The latter comment below from AGY was a surprise to me. I've no knowledge of such 'dual allegiance' in my non conformist family in early/mid C20th Glamorgan anyway. Although the ancient parish church of Llangiwg was a fair distance away, a local church did open up in 1886. Probably a case of non conformism becoming established in many families 'early on' and remaining the natural choice across the generations. * "It is well known that in Wales those who attend Church at one point of the day generally attend Dissenting places of Worship at another" Llanfihangel Esgeifiog (AGY) Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

On 17/05/2011 10:59 PM, Anita wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to thank everyone for their help and advice. > > All I can add is from = family story and marriage certificate, "Robert was > born in Anglesey North Wales." > > No parents on marriage certificate.. sorry. > > He married Rachel Lewis in 1851. Robert was an engine driver in Wales and > also when he came to Australia. Hi Anita, A small point, but worth mentioning- Robert may well have been an engine driver, but not in the way we understand the term today - the term also described someone who tended a stationary engine, one that powered a pump in a mine for example. -- Cheers Peter

An interesting observation about mid C19th reading abilities - albeit in Llanfigael parish, AGY. I suspect it was a Welsh bible in use. The minister's comments in non-perfect English were followed by a slightly longer piece in Welsh rationalising the lower attendance on the 30th March * Ty'n y Maen Chapel, Calvinistic Methodists Erected 1800 Attendance - morning 129, afternoon 88 scholars, evening 101 "There is only two or three in our Parish that can't read theire bibles. A good day school is much wanted in the Neborhood................" William Williams, Minister, Graianfryn, nr Llanfaethlu Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

Dear Edward The London Branch of the Welsh Family History Societies maintains on its website a list of Welsh chapels and churches in London - see http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlslbfhs/chapels.htm , items MC1-3 and MC21 . This is very much a "work in progress" and we would welcome comments from anyone who spots errors or has more infomation. There are pictures of Wilton Square Chapel and of Southwark Welsh Congregational Chapel on the Collage website of the London Guildhall and Metropolitan archives - go to http://collage.cityoflondon.gov.uk/collage/ and enter "Welsh chapel". This is a wonderful resource for pictures of London. Hope this helps Anna At 18/05/2011 08:59 U+0100, Edward Llewellyn-Jones wrote: >Would someone be able to help with information about two Welsh Chapels in >London, please? >One is the Crosby Row Welsh Chapel in Southwark. It was functioning from >1855 to 1865 as far as I know; probably before and after as well. The other >is Wilton Square Welsh Chapel in what was Finsbury [I believe] but is now >referred to as Islington. It was active in 1870 but that is all I know. >There is no evidence of either chapel on Google maps unless the Anglican >Church on Crosby Row is it and a very modern block of flats on Wilton Square >possibly built on the site of the chapel. >My interest stems from the connection with Crosby Row and my great >grandfather; Wilton Square with his brother. >Many thanks in advance >Edward >-- > >To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >- >A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, >may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > >- >The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robert, re the old time Cinemas. Brought back many memories of the old days when I was a little girl going to the flicks on a Saturday afternoon here in North Queensland. But the funniest experience was when my brother and I were taken to an "open air" cinema in a little country town here in North Queensland. Dad who was a railway foreman, was stationed at this place and invited us to come up on the train for the weekend to give Mum a rest! He took us to this old cinema and it was a scream... someone was having a row in the back seat, a couple of dogs came in through the side and had a huge fight, plus the odd drunk calling out abuse to the actors when the plot didnt go his way! I found it rather frightening at the time but now look back with amusement when I remember this. I must say, I dont know what was more entertaining...the film or the fights!! Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert williams" <canton_cardiff_wales@yahoo.com> To: <GLAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:15 AM Subject: [GLA] Cinema's. > My Thanks to Jane in Oz;for the link to the Cinema Site. > It brings back such sweet memories of visiting the "Flicks"as we called > them. > Many a happy few hours were spent by me and other Kids at The Canton > Cinema on the corner of Cowbridge Road East/Library Street,of "The Tanner > Rush"on a Saturday Morning. > A memorable incident I well remember was a kid Jumping up and down > disturbing everyones enjoyment,and being Splattered with a Fresh Cream > Cake in his Mush by another kid. > It was like a scene out of "Laurel & Hardy". > > The Building is still there today,but it is now "Iceland Supermarket". > Next door was the Local Rozzers,[Bogies,Cops,Peelers,Crushers,or whatever > you call 'em?]Who would visit occasionally if any trouble was brewing? > Down the road a piece was the "Coliseum"or "Flea Pit"as we called it! > Where the seats down the front were like Deckchairs. > When the Film conked out,Massive "Feet Stamping"was heard throughout the > building like a Train going past! > A rush of humanity out of the building was experienced when "God save the > Queen"was being played after the Flicks were finished. > > Then "Ol' mine papa" was played on a Phonograph,I think? > Cheers Graham. > From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. > Glamorgan F.H.S;#551. > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Here is some further information: Bethel chapel at corner of Wilton Sq. and Wilton Pl. built by Welsh Calvinistic Meths. 1853; rebuilt 1884. Seated 400 c. 1894. Attendance 1903: 95 a.m.; 232 p.m. Sect became Presb. Ch. of Wales 1933. Chapel closed between 1947 and 1953; restored as hostel 1955 by St. Vincent's Housing Assoc. From: 'Islington: Protestant nonconformity', A History of the County of Middlesex: Volume 8: Islington and Stoke Newington parishes (1985), pp. 101-115. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=9522

Edward, "The Welsh in London 1500-2000" ed. Emrys Jones has a chapter on Welsh chapels by Rhidian Griffiths which contains a reference (pp166-167) to Crosby Row: "The mother church of the Calvinistic Methodists at Jewin Crescent spawned causes at.............Crosby Row (successor to the Cambrian) in 1861. .........................In 1889 the CMs of Crosby Row built a new chapel at Falmouth Road." 'The Cambrian' appears to refer to the Cambrian Union Society's Chapel for Seamen. Wilton Square (pp 166-167): "The presence of building firms in north London owned by Welshmen drew Welsh workers to the Islington area and a Sunday School was established at Hoxton in 1848, which grew into the chapel opened at Wilton Square in 1853." Pamela Marsden -----Original Message----- From: David Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 10:27 AM To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Welsh Chapels in London Edward, The term 'Welsh Chapel' is a little ambigious as the actual denomination would help. I have a complete list of the Congregational Chapels for 1903 and I find the following: Southwark Bridge Road: formed in 1786: The minister in 1902 was D.C.Jones(settled 1890) I can not see any Welsh chapels(Congregational) in either Finsbury or Islington fpr this denomination at 1903. I also have a complete list for the Baptists at 1895 and I find the following: Finsbury, Eldon Street: formed 1822. The chapel did not have a pastor at 1895 I can not see any Welsh Chapels(Baptist) in Southwark in 1895. Moving on to an complete list for both denominations at 1937, Southwark Bridge Road is still listed (formation date now shown at 1806 !!) There is no listing for Eldon Street in 1937. Moving on, finally, to 1972 and Southwark Bridge Road is no longer listed. For the Wesleyans, I do not have the circuit details for any part of London but whether any chapel was 'Welsh' that is also rather unclear. Hope this helps a little. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Llewellyn-Jones" <edwardllansamlet@gmail.com> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:59 AM Subject: [GLA] Welsh Chapels in London > Would someone be able to help with information about two Welsh Chapels in > London, please? > One is the Crosby Row Welsh Chapel in Southwark. It was functioning from > 1855 to 1865 as far as I know; probably before and after as well. The > other > is Wilton Square Welsh Chapel in what was Finsbury [I believe] but is now > referred to as Islington. It was active in 1870 but that is all I know. > There is no evidence of either chapel on Google maps unless the Anglican > Church on Crosby Row is it and a very modern block of flats on Wilton > Square > possibly built on the site of the chapel. > My interest stems from the connection with Crosby Row and my great > grandfather; Wilton Square with his brother. > Many thanks in advance > Edward > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3644 - Release Date: 05/17/11 19:34:00

Edward, The term 'Welsh Chapel' is a little ambigious as the actual denomination would help. I have a complete list of the Congregational Chapels for 1903 and I find the following: Southwark Bridge Road: formed in 1786: The minister in 1902 was D.C.Jones(settled 1890) I can not see any Welsh chapels(Congregational) in either Finsbury or Islington fpr this denomination at 1903. I also have a complete list for the Baptists at 1895 and I find the following: Finsbury, Eldon Street: formed 1822. The chapel did not have a pastor at 1895 I can not see any Welsh Chapels(Baptist) in Southwark in 1895. Moving on to an complete list for both denominations at 1937, Southwark Bridge Road is still listed (formation date now shown at 1806 !!) There is no listing for Eldon Street in 1937. Moving on, finally, to 1972 and Southwark Bridge Road is no longer listed. For the Wesleyans, I do not have the circuit details for any part of London but whether any chapel was 'Welsh' that is also rather unclear. Hope this helps a little. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Llewellyn-Jones" <edwardllansamlet@gmail.com> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 8:59 AM Subject: [GLA] Welsh Chapels in London > Would someone be able to help with information about two Welsh Chapels in > London, please? > One is the Crosby Row Welsh Chapel in Southwark. It was functioning from > 1855 to 1865 as far as I know; probably before and after as well. The > other > is Wilton Square Welsh Chapel in what was Finsbury [I believe] but is now > referred to as Islington. It was active in 1870 but that is all I know. > There is no evidence of either chapel on Google maps unless the Anglican > Church on Crosby Row is it and a very modern block of flats on Wilton > Square > possibly built on the site of the chapel. > My interest stems from the connection with Crosby Row and my great > grandfather; Wilton Square with his brother. > Many thanks in advance > Edward > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There will be a Family History Day at Rhondda Heritage Park on 21st May from 11am - 4pm, organised by Pontypridd Branch of Glamorgan FHS. Glamorgan FHS "help desk" and bookstall will be there together with some of the branches and a variety of exhibitors. We may be able to solve that brick wall or, if you are a beginner, point you in the right direction with your research so please come along. Rosemary Smith

Would someone be able to help with information about two Welsh Chapels in London, please? One is the Crosby Row Welsh Chapel in Southwark. It was functioning from 1855 to 1865 as far as I know; probably before and after as well. The other is Wilton Square Welsh Chapel in what was Finsbury [I believe] but is now referred to as Islington. It was active in 1870 but that is all I know. There is no evidence of either chapel on Google maps unless the Anglican Church on Crosby Row is it and a very modern block of flats on Wilton Square possibly built on the site of the chapel. My interest stems from the connection with Crosby Row and my great grandfather; Wilton Square with his brother. Many thanks in advance Edward

Hello, I would like to thank everyone for their help and advice. All I can add is from = family story and marriage certificate, "Robert was born in Anglesey North Wales." No parents on marriage certificate.. sorry. He married Rachel Lewis in 1851. Robert was an engine driver in Wales and also when he came to Australia. On the marriage certificate dated 1851, Robert's age is 38 years so that means he was born in 1813 + or - 1 year. Above his age there is 5/13, does that mean 13th May 1813? I do not know. Wishful thinking I think. Robert is a brick wall I am trying knock down, brick by brick. Thank you again. Kind regards Anita in Australia ******************************** Hello, Can anyone please help me is getting a birth certificate? Robert Roberts born in Aberffraw on Anglesey., somewhere between 1809 or 1813. Some of the family dates has Robert being born in 1809 and others have him being born in 1813. On his marriage certificate under "Age" he wrote 5/13, 38 years. Married on 21/6/1851. = birth 1813 (I have marriage certificate) I am sorry I can't help with any more information, as he is a very high brick wall in the family. Please contact me if anyone is able to help. Regards Anita in Australia