Me again. Harking back to what Jeff said re the re-naming which he is spot-on : Treherbert = Ystradyfodwg>>Rhondda>>Mid Glamorgan>>Rhondda Cynon Taf(RCT) I would add one rider to that which, when I see it, annoys me to the hilt. Rhondda Cynon Taff, as Jeff says, is a Unitary Authority ie a council. It is NOT a postal district. Well not in my book. If I address a letter it is always Treorchy, Mid Glamorgan, CF...... NOT Treorchy, RCT. [Written by a 'youngster' who still remebers the time you could write 'Local' on an envelope and that letter would be sorted instantly in the local Post Office. Now, everything goes into Cardiff and sometimes they do not get out of there ;) ] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Thomas" <katiet223@yahoo.com> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: [GLA] Request >I am seeking a local person to help me by taking a few gravestone photos at >the Treorchy Cemetery. Graves are Plot F 206 for William Thomas and his >wife, Jane Mary, and Plot N 690 for Gabriel T. Drakes and his wife, Eluned. >They can be e-mailed to me at katiet223@yahoo.com > > I also have a question. When I input Treherbert, two counties are shown > Glanmorganshire and Rhondda Cynon Taff. If the county designation > changed, when (what year) did it do so? > > Thanks, Katie, NY, USA > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello David It all depends on who you talk to when you visit. There used to be an office there with the records (probably closed by now). However if there is a gravedigger around I find it always pays to have a word with them. They can usually put you on the right track. Another important factor regarding graves are the ownsership of them. The council normally has an address of the person who bought the grave as well as who is intered in the grave and when. Gareth I will echo what Evelyn has said about gravestones/headstones and all other details but it is not so simple. There are two distinct cemeteries within the Treorchy complex. The 'new' cemetery is the 'lawn' type. Most of those burials will have some form of identification. In the 'old' cemetry there are large gravestones, many of which have collapsed in to the ground, or are now laying quite flat, or there are 'flat' graves with just an urn with a name. With the large headstones it took me much time to find just one stone and I had a head start since my mum knew the approximate location. But there are hundreds of these in each plot and on quite steep slopes - the cemetry is built on the mountain-side. My family have all these types plus one great-great grand-mother (IIRC) who did not wish for any headstone at all - her grand-daughter, as my mum relates spent many hours trying to locate the burial to no avail.

Hello Evelyn You could always try the FreeREG site which stands for Free REGisters. Their objective is to provide free Internet searches of baptism, marriage, and burial records, that have been transcribed from parish and non-conformist registers of the U.K. FreeREG is a companion project to FreeBMD (a database of the GRO birth, marriage and death indexes from 1837) and FreeCEN (a database of census information). http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Gareth Dear Evelyn, There are no online registers except for Family Search I should have answered that message more fully. Several counties have Online Parish Clerks, which include the counties of Cornwall, Somerset, Devon, Sussex, Dorset, Warwickshire, Essex and Wiltshire. http://www.onlineparishclerks.org.uk/ I think that this is what you may be thinking of ? If so, as far as I know there are no Online PC for Glamorgan, and so there are no online Parish Registers, and other data for Glamorgan, which come free. You can purchase for a small cost, parish registers and other genealogical delights from the Glamorgan Family History Society. Their website is: http://www.glamfhs.org/ or from The Parish Chest http://www.parishchest.com/Glamorgan_FHS__LID166 HTH Cheers, Jill

Hello Gareth. Thank you for your information about the Workhouse and Asylum. My poor little Alice must have been half dead by the time she got to Laleston after travelling from Bath at the age of four. I shall have see if there are any records surviving. Thank you again. Brian

Since we seem to be being very general about this Wiltshire has an awesome BMD site IF your people are from the Malmesbury area <G> (the LDS missed Malmesbury area) http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/ Other counties have sites but I can't say how good they are. http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ Eliz On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Jill Muir <jill@shottle.plus.com> wrote: > Dear Evelyn, >> There are no online registers except for Family Search > > I should have answered that message more fully. > > Several counties have Online Parish Clerks, which include the counties of > Cornwall, Somerset, Devon, Sussex, Dorset, Warwickshire, Essex and > Wiltshire. http://www.onlineparishclerks.org.uk/ > > I think that this is what you may be thinking of ?  If so, as far as I know > there are no Online PC for Glamorgan, and so there are no online Parish > Registers, and other data for Glamorgan, which come free. > > You can purchase for a small cost, parish registers and other genealogical > delights from the Glamorgan Family History Society. Their website is: > http://www.glamfhs.org/ > or from The Parish Chest http://www.parishchest.com/Glamorgan_FHS__LID166 > > HTH > Cheers, Jill > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Evelyn, > There are no online registers except for Family Search I should have answered that message more fully. Several counties have Online Parish Clerks, which include the counties of Cornwall, Somerset, Devon, Sussex, Dorset, Warwickshire, Essex and Wiltshire. http://www.onlineparishclerks.org.uk/ I think that this is what you may be thinking of ? If so, as far as I know there are no Online PC for Glamorgan, and so there are no online Parish Registers, and other data for Glamorgan, which come free. You can purchase for a small cost, parish registers and other genealogical delights from the Glamorgan Family History Society. Their website is: http://www.glamfhs.org/ or from The Parish Chest http://www.parishchest.com/Glamorgan_FHS__LID166 HTH Cheers, Jill

Evelyn, if you mean such as Somerset, then unless someone knows otherwise, the answer to this is no. There are no online registers except for Family Search Cheers, Jill -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Evelyn Clarke Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:36 PM To: Jeff Coleman; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] (no subject) Sorry, what I should have said does anyone know of a link online to find parish records for Glamorgan, I appreciate that Glamorgan records office have a database with records on it but I was actually looking for something online Evelyn

Hi all have just come across a reference in the 1841 census, to a William Beard [my brick wall], being enumerated at Swansea Barracks as 'Military' but having googled, I haven't found anything that indicates where the Barracks were located or any other reference of use -- As usual, I can't reach the Cambrian Index to check for anything there, nor can I reach the other Swansea sites -- -- does anyone have any information about the Barracks please? cheers Lynda Christchurch NZ

I will echo what Evelyn has said about gravestones/headstones and all other details but it is not so simple. There are two distinct cemeteries within the Treorchy complex. The 'new' cemetery is the 'lawn' type. Most of those burials will have some form of identification. In the 'old' cemetry there are large gravestones, many of which have collapsed in to the ground, or are now laying quite flat, or there are 'flat' graves with just an urn with a name. With the large headstones it took me much time to find just one stone and I had a head start since my mum knew the approximate location. But there are hundreds of these in each plot and on quite steep slopes - the cemetry is built on the mountain-side. My family have all these types plus one great-great grand-mother (IIRC) who did not wish for any headstone at all - her grand-daughter, as my mum relates spent many hours trying to locate the burial to no avail. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Thomas" <katiet223@yahoo.com> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: [GLA] Request >I am seeking a local person to help me by taking a few gravestone photos at >the Treorchy Cemetery. Graves are Plot F 206 for William Thomas and his >wife, Jane Mary, and Plot N 690 for Gabriel T. Drakes and his wife, Eluned. >They can be e-mailed to me at katiet223@yahoo.com > > I also have a question. When I input Treherbert, two counties are shown > Glanmorganshire and Rhondda Cynon Taff. If the county designation > changed, when (what year) did it do so? > > Thanks, Katie, NY, USA > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My sincere thanks to everyone who responded to my query, including Caryl Jones who replied off-list. Pam Marsden

I have had a small breakthrough for the first time in 10 years regarding my THOMAS RALPH WILLIAMS b. 1895 in Penarth. It seems as though he went to and married a NY girl 15 years his junior in Sapperton BC. I don't know why he ended up there but through hours of trolling Ancestry, I managed to connect with a relative of his wife. She said that he ended up leaving his wife and daughter and returning to Wales. Apparently he had a head injury from the War (WWI) and was prone to violent outbursts. She is trying to connect me with his daughter, my father's 1st cousin who would be about 83 now. I have spent countless hours looking at Ancestry's WWI collection but cant find anything about him being discharged with a head injury. To make matters worse I am blessed with the surname of Williams :) Can sks point me in the right direction? someone with some knowledge about WWI. I am going to loosely assume that he may have met George Sargeant (his wife's father) who was originally from England during the War? they could have been fairly close in age. >From what I have read Sapperton BC was named fo the Columbia Detachment of Royal Engineers (Sappers) Was there a Welsh Regiment of Sappers? Surely if he was injured he would have been pentioned off? Any help in directing me would be appreciated. I am excited though his daughter apparently settled in Washington State, so I am pursuing this as well. Keeping all of our Soldier in my prayers on this Memorial Day.

Hi Katie Before anybody goes looking for headstones for you have you checked that there is a headstone/gravestone on the grave ?? When did William Thomas and his wife die, and also Gabriel and his wife?? If its between 1871 and 1991 you can get an interment record from Treorchy library and this will reveal if it has a headstone on it - if it has then someone can go take a picture for you Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Thomas" <katiet223@yahoo.com> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: [GLA] Request >I am seeking a local person to help me by taking a few gravestone photos at >the Treorchy Cemetery. Graves are Plot F 206 for William Thomas and his >wife, Jane Mary, and Plot N 690 for Gabriel T. Drakes and his wife, Eluned. >They can be e-mailed to me at katiet223@yahoo.com > > I also have a question. When I input Treherbert, two counties are shown > Glanmorganshire and Rhondda Cynon Taff. If the county designation > changed, when (what year) did it do so? > > Thanks, Katie, NY, USA > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The county of Glamorgan existed for a number of centuries until April 1974. The organisation of local government on a local scale had developed over the years with borough councils, urban district councils and rural district councils. In 1974 the traditional Counties of Wales were re-organised and Glamorgan was split into three - West Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan (which included Treherbert) and South Glamorgan.- Within each of these the lower level of local government was District Councils. In 1996 a further re-organisation into 22 'Unitary Authorities' saw the abolition both of the County and District Councils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Government_(Wales)_Act_1994 gives a lot of detail about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preserved_counties_of_Wales refers to the counties which existed from 1974 to 1996 and which still exist ( with slight alterations) for some ceremonial purposes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historic_counties_of_Wales describes the evolution of the 'historic counties' including Glamorgan. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katie Thomas" <katiet223@yahoo.com> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 10:13 PM Subject: [GLA] Request >I am seeking a local person to help me by taking a few gravestone photos at >the Treorchy Cemetery. Graves are Plot F 206 for William Thomas and his >wife, Jane Mary, and Plot N 690 for Gabriel T. Drakes and his wife, Eluned. >They can be e-mailed to me at katiet223@yahoo.com > > I also have a question. When I input Treherbert, two counties are shown > Glanmorganshire and Rhondda Cynon Taff. If the county designation > changed, when (what year) did it do so? > > Thanks, Katie, NY, USA

May be of interest: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GLAMORGAN/2004-03/1079607744 http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/Glamorgan5.html#cholera Ian G., Pant-teg

Hello List It appears that he may have been hacked. Earlier this week there was an email with no subject. Never open any message without a subject line or indeed with the subject of alert etc.. They should be treated with suspicion. Better safe than sorry. Gareth

Hello Brian The nearest to a childrens home would be the workhouse which was built about 1836-7. POOR LAW UNION Workhouse, Bridgend Governor - Benjamin Messenger Matron - Maria Messenger Clerk to the Board of Guardians - Samuel Cox Surgeon - Abraham John Verity Relieving Officers - William John, for Cowbridge; William Leyshon, for Maesteg; and Thomas Jenkins, for Bridgend As for the sanitorium that would be the lunatic asylum, a later addition was built at Parcgwyllt, built in 1857. A subject of jokes made at the expense of the Bridgend. Lunatics. COUNTY LUNATIC ASYLUM, Bridgend Medical Superintendent - Henry Turnbull Pringle, M.A. Clerk an Steward - Wm. Jenkin Chaplain - Rev. W. Lloyd James Assistant Medical Officer - John Mc Cracken Clerk to the Committee of Visitors - Thomas Tamplin Lewis Housekeeper - Euphemia Fortune Treasurer - Thomas George Smith, National Provincial Bank, Bridgend Gareth --- On Fri, 27/5/11, Diane and Brian <butcher-b@sky.com> wrote: Hi List. Could someone tell me please, if there was a child's Home or Sanitorium etc. in Llangewydd in the 1850s. Thank you. Brian.

You are right of course, but close to the boundary with Llangiwg. Ystalyfera was in Llangiwg parish. Llangiwg Church and burial ground is quite isolated. Taking a coffin to Llangyfelach would probably have meant travelling through highly populated Clydach and Morriston, neither of which had much sanitation in 1866. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Marsden" <davidpam@globalnet.co.uk> To: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com>; <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] Burial of cholera victims > Thanks, Jeff, for your reply. Trebanos comes up in each census as being > in Llangyfelach parish, but Llangiwg church would have been much closer to > get to for a quick burial, I suppose. > > Pam > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Coleman > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 4:54 PM > To: Pamela Marsden ; glamorgan@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLA] Burial of cholera victims > > Trebanos was in Llangiwg parish. That was why she was buried there. There > are 139 items in the Cambrian Index about Cholera in 1866, but none as far > as I can see mentioning the Swansea Valley. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pamela Marsden" <davidpam@globalnet.co.uk> > To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:41 PM > Subject: [GLA] Burial of cholera victims > > >> Hello Swansea Valley history experts! >> >> A family member died of cholera aged 57 in 1866. She died in Trebanos >> where her parents lived (but not in their house) and was buried the >> following day at Llangiwg. It has taken me a while to sort this out >> because she lived in Ystradgynlais from at least 1841 to 1861, the >> Llangiwg register transcription describes her as from Ystalyfera, her >> husband was buried at Ystradgynlais parish church in 1856 and the family >> had very strong connections with Alltwen chapel with many burials there. >> >> I know there was a cholera outbreak in Ystalyfera in 1866. My question is >> whether there were designated burial grounds for cholera victims and >> whether Llangiwg was one such place. >> >> Pam Marsden

Thanks, Jeff, for your reply. Trebanos comes up in each census as being in Llangyfelach parish, but Llangiwg church would have been much closer to get to for a quick burial, I suppose. Pam -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Coleman Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 4:54 PM To: Pamela Marsden ; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Burial of cholera victims Trebanos was in Llangiwg parish. That was why she was buried there. There are 139 items in the Cambrian Index about Cholera in 1866, but none as far as I can see mentioning the Swansea Valley. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Marsden" <davidpam@globalnet.co.uk> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: [GLA] Burial of cholera victims > Hello Swansea Valley history experts! > > A family member died of cholera aged 57 in 1866. She died in Trebanos > where her parents lived (but not in their house) and was buried the > following day at Llangiwg. It has taken me a while to sort this out > because she lived in Ystradgynlais from at least 1841 to 1861, the > Llangiwg register transcription describes her as from Ystalyfera, her > husband was buried at Ystradgynlais parish church in 1856 and the family > had very strong connections with Alltwen chapel with many burials there. > > I know there was a cholera outbreak in Ystalyfera in 1866. My question is > whether there were designated burial grounds for cholera victims and > whether Llangiwg was one such place. > > Pam Marsden > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3662 - Release Date: 05/26/11 19:34:00

Trebanos was in Llangiwg parish. That was why she was buried there. There are 139 items in the Cambrian Index about Cholera in 1866, but none as far as I can see mentioning the Swansea Valley. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Marsden" <davidpam@globalnet.co.uk> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: [GLA] Burial of cholera victims > Hello Swansea Valley history experts! > > A family member died of cholera aged 57 in 1866. She died in Trebanos > where her parents lived (but not in their house) and was buried the > following day at Llangiwg. It has taken me a while to sort this out > because she lived in Ystradgynlais from at least 1841 to 1861, the > Llangiwg register transcription describes her as from Ystalyfera, her > husband was buried at Ystradgynlais parish church in 1856 and the family > had very strong connections with Alltwen chapel with many burials there. > > I know there was a cholera outbreak in Ystalyfera in 1866. My question is > whether there were designated burial grounds for cholera victims and > whether Llangiwg was one such place. > > Pam Marsden > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List. Could someone tell me please, if there was a child's Home or Sanitorium etc. in Llangewydd in the 1850s. Thank you. Brian.