Hi Eirwen Ahh the mystery of my great great grandmother Mary Ann NORTH nee WEBB. If only my grandad was around to tell the story and he definitly said that his grandmother was born in France.... plus the census records confirm this. I wonder if there is any record in the newspapers from that time in the area they lived advertising labour work in France. If only we could find her birth certificate, then the mystery may be solved. Kind regards Andrea

Hi Another possibility is that your ancestors were involved with pit-prop trade. Pit props were an important export from the area around Bordeaux, particularly to south Wales. They had children in Ruardean (Forest of Dean- forestry (pit-props?) - mining), Bordeaux (pit-props) and Llanharry (mining) - so there could be a connection. My French teacher told me that this trade between S Wales and SW France is one of the reasons Rugby is so popular in the Bordeaux area. Regards john Farnhill Cardiff

Thank you Jane, I certainly will. Eirwen -----Original Message----- From: Jane Hope Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 3:20 PM To: glamorgan-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] WEBB and Ruardean Might I suggest a look at the Forest of Dean website at www.forestofdean.net - it has a wealth of information and searchable Parish Records. -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Credit where credit is due I say! -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:59 PM To: Glam Subject: Re: [GLA] WEBB BORN IN FRANCE The 'other' Gareth said; <Here's what is said about the period on GENUKI I guess I'm being picky but actually that data is from my Help Page Time Line :-) http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls6.html Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Morgan Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:37 PM To: Glam Subject: Re: [GLA] WEBB BORN IN FRANCE Hello Eirwen Here's what is said about the period on GENUKI (bottom links of this message). My coments in brackets 1853/4 Cholera epidemic spreads to Wales (After the epidemic there would be a need to fill places left vacant). Although the town of Bridgend appears to have escaped the epidemic. 1854 The railway reaches Haverfordwest. (Because of railway job opportunites would have opened up along its route). 1855 Rhondda steam coal first transported by rail from Treherbert to Cardiff marking start of rise of Rhondda as a major coal mining valley (local man Walter Coffin, Bridgend initiated the Dinas Lower Colliery in 1812) 1856 Evan James of Pontypridd wrote 'Mae Hen Wlad fy Nhadau' which became the national anthem of Wales.(His son was lodging at betws when he composed the music) ------------------------------------ Modern facilities that included! COUNTY LUNATIC ASYLUM POOR LAW UNION Workhouse which was built about 1836-7. Porthcawl Harbour (opened about 1830) Even before the Iron industries came to the area there was an outsourcing cottage industry producing farm impliments such as shovels et. mainly for the west country, employing local blacksmiths to make the tools. The Talbots of Margam were the main driving force behind the industry but they couldn't break the monopoly of the north to become a Crawshey or Wilkinson. Thomas Wyndham of Dunraven had his supply of port wine shipped from Bristol to the precursor to Porthcawl harbour at Newton in 1794. Could your ansestors have gone to France harvest the crop as you say, traveling to France from Porthcawl in much the same way as the Johnny onion men who originated from the area around the town of Roscoff known as Bro Rosko, in Brittany used to do. Just some thoughts Gareth Good Morning Listers Can any-one really bright suggest any reason why an ancestor of mine was born in Bordeaux, France circa 1856? She was MARY ANN WEBB, sister to my Grandmother, EMMA CECIL WEBB. Her parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH WEBB came from Worcester and Gloucestershire respectively and had some of their children in Ruardean, Gloc and some in Llanharry, Glamorgan. William Webb would have been an Ag Lab in 1856 and I can’t imagine why he and his wife would have gone to France unless it was to pick grapes. It seems a very adventurous thing to do especially if Elizabeth was pregnant at the time. Mary Ann seemed to have been their first child. If any-one can shed light on the conditions of the time and a possible reason for this I would love to hear about it. Best Wishes Eirwen -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Geoff I found it on the 1861 census for Ruardean. It looks pretty clear. On the 1871 census the enumerator mixed the children up so that it looked as if Mary Ann's sister Elizabeth had been born in Bordeaux but I'm pretty sure that the correct child was Mary Ann who was born 1855. I have not been able to find the parents marriage so far. JOSEPH WEBB was born in 1822/3 and ELIZABETH POWELL was born 1831/2/3. Both fairly common names unfortunately. I'll keep plodding on. Thanks for your interest Eirwen -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Stone Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:49 PM To: jandeh Cc: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] WEBB BORN IN FRANCE Eirwen, The first question - which you should probably said in your message - how do you know that she was born in France? In other words how reliable is the source? Was it a census transcription for example? Have you found the parent's marriage? Regards, Geoff At 11:09 02/06/2011, Eirwen wrote: >Good Morning Listers Can any-one really bright suggest any reason why an >ancestor of mine was born in Bordeaux, France circa 1856? She was MARY ANN >WEBB, sister to my Grandmother, EMMA CECIL WEBB. Her parents WILLIAM and >ELIZABETH WEBB came from Worcester and Gloucestershire respectively and had >some of their children in Ruardean, Gloc and some in Llanharry, Glamorgan. >William Webb would have been an Ag Lab in 1856 and I can’t imagine why he >and his wife would have gone to France unless it was to pick grapes. It >seems a very adventurous thing to do especially if Elizabeth was pregnant >at the time. Mary Ann seemed to have been their first child. If any-one can >shed light on the conditions of the time and a possible reason for this I >would love to hear about it. Best Wishes Eirwen --

Thanks for that Gareth. I think I am coming to the conclusion that they probably did travel to Bordeaux to harvest the grapes. However, I don't think they were living in Wales at that time as Mary Ann was their first child and subsequent children were born in Gloucestershire. They didn't go to Wales until about 1870. I suppose it would be a good idea for me to look at Gloucestershire on GENUKI. I hadn't thought about doing that - brilliant! Thanks for your help Eirwen -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Morgan Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:37 PM To: Glam Subject: Re: [GLA] WEBB BORN IN FRANCE Hello Eirwen Here's what is said about the period on GENUKI (bottom links of this message). My coments in brackets 1853/4 Cholera epidemic spreads to Wales (After the epidemic there would be a need to fill places left vacant). Although the town of Bridgend appears to have escaped the epidemic. 1854 The railway reaches Haverfordwest. (Because of railway job opportunites would have opened up along its route). 1855 Rhondda steam coal first transported by rail from Treherbert to Cardiff marking start of rise of Rhondda as a major coal mining valley (local man Walter Coffin, Bridgend initiated the Dinas Lower Colliery in 1812) 1856 Evan James of Pontypridd wrote 'Mae Hen Wlad fy Nhadau' which became the national anthem of Wales.(His son was lodging at betws when he composed the music) ------------------------------------ Modern facilities that included! COUNTY LUNATIC ASYLUM POOR LAW UNION Workhouse which was built about 1836-7. Porthcawl Harbour (opened about 1830) Even before the Iron industries came to the area there was an outsourcing cottage industry producing farm impliments such as shovels et. mainly for the west country, employing local blacksmiths to make the tools. The Talbots of Margam were the main driving force behind the industry but they couldn't break the monopoly of the north to become a Crawshey or Wilkinson. Thomas Wyndham of Dunraven had his supply of port wine shipped from Bristol to the precursor to Porthcawl harbour at Newton in 1794. Could your ansestors have gone to France harvest the crop as you say, traveling to France from Porthcawl in much the same way as the Johnny onion men who originated from the area around the town of Roscoff known as Bro Rosko, in Brittany used to do. Just some thoughts Gareth Good Morning Listers Can any-one really bright suggest any reason why an ancestor of mine was born in Bordeaux, France circa 1856? She was MARY ANN WEBB, sister to my Grandmother, EMMA CECIL WEBB. Her parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH WEBB came from Worcester and Gloucestershire respectively and had some of their children in Ruardean, Gloc and some in Llanharry, Glamorgan. William Webb would have been an Ag Lab in 1856 and I can’t imagine why he and his wife would have gone to France unless it was to pick grapes. It seems a very adventurous thing to do especially if Elizabeth was pregnant at the time. Mary Ann seemed to have been their first child. If any-one can shed light on the conditions of the time and a possible reason for this I would love to hear about it. Best Wishes Eirwen -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Might I suggest a look at the Forest of Dean website at www.forestofdean.net - it has a wealth of information and searchable Parish Records.

The 'other' Gareth said; <Here's what is said about the period on GENUKI I guess I'm being picky but actually that data is from my Help Page Time Line :-) http://home.clara.net/tirbach/HelpPagepearls6.html Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Gareth Morgan Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 1:37 PM To: Glam Subject: Re: [GLA] WEBB BORN IN FRANCE Hello Eirwen Here's what is said about the period on GENUKI (bottom links of this message). My coments in brackets 1853/4 Cholera epidemic spreads to Wales (After the epidemic there would be a need to fill places left vacant). Although the town of Bridgend appears to have escaped the epidemic. 1854 The railway reaches Haverfordwest. (Because of railway job opportunites would have opened up along its route). 1855 Rhondda steam coal first transported by rail from Treherbert to Cardiff marking start of rise of Rhondda as a major coal mining valley (local man Walter Coffin, Bridgend initiated the Dinas Lower Colliery in 1812) 1856 Evan James of Pontypridd wrote 'Mae Hen Wlad fy Nhadau' which became the national anthem of Wales.(His son was lodging at betws when he composed the music) ------------------------------------ Modern facilities that included! COUNTY LUNATIC ASYLUM POOR LAW UNION Workhouse which was built about 1836-7. Porthcawl Harbour (opened about 1830) Even before the Iron industries came to the area there was an outsourcing cottage industry producing farm impliments such as shovels et. mainly for the west country, employing local blacksmiths to make the tools. The Talbots of Margam were the main driving force behind the industry but they couldn't break the monopoly of the north to become a Crawshey or Wilkinson. Thomas Wyndham of Dunraven had his supply of port wine shipped from Bristol to the precursor to Porthcawl harbour at Newton in 1794. Could your ansestors have gone to France harvest the crop as you say, traveling to France from Porthcawl in much the same way as the Johnny onion men who originated from the area around the town of Roscoff known as Bro Rosko, in Brittany used to do. Just some thoughts Gareth Good Morning Listers Can any-one really bright suggest any reason why an ancestor of mine was born in Bordeaux, France circa 1856? She was MARY ANN WEBB, sister to my Grandmother, EMMA CECIL WEBB. Her parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH WEBB came from Worcester and Gloucestershire respectively and had some of their children in Ruardean, Gloc and some in Llanharry, Glamorgan. William Webb would have been an Ag Lab in 1856 and I can’t imagine why he and his wife would have gone to France unless it was to pick grapes. It seems a very adventurous thing to do especially if Elizabeth was pregnant at the time. Mary Ann seemed to have been their first child. If any-one can shed light on the conditions of the time and a possible reason for this I would love to hear about it. Best Wishes Eirwen -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Eirwen, The first question - which you should probably said in your message - how do you know that she was born in France? In other words how reliable is the source? Was it a census transcription for example? Have you found the parent's marriage? Regards, Geoff At 11:09 02/06/2011, Eirwen wrote: >Good Morning Listers Can any-one really bright >suggest any reason why an ancestor of mine was >born in Bordeaux, France circa 1856? She was >MARY ANN WEBB, sister to my Grandmother, EMMA >CECIL WEBB. Her parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH >WEBB came from Worcester and Gloucestershire >respectively and had some of their children in >Ruardean, Gloc and some in Llanharry, Glamorgan. >William Webb would have been an Ag Lab in 1856 >and I can’t imagine why he and his wife would >have gone to France unless it was to pick >grapes. It seems a very adventurous thing to do >especially if Elizabeth was pregnant at the >time. Mary Ann seemed to have been their first >child. If any-one can shed light on the >conditions of the time and a possible reason for >this I would love to hear about it. Best Wishes Eirwen --

Hello Eirwen Here's what is said about the period on GENUKI (bottom links of this message). My coments in brackets 1853/4 Cholera epidemic spreads to Wales (After the epidemic there would be a need to fill places left vacant). Although the town of Bridgend appears to have escaped the epidemic. 1854 The railway reaches Haverfordwest. (Because of railway job opportunites would have opened up along its route). 1855 Rhondda steam coal first transported by rail from Treherbert to Cardiff marking start of rise of Rhondda as a major coal mining valley (local man Walter Coffin, Bridgend initiated the Dinas Lower Colliery in 1812) 1856 Evan James of Pontypridd wrote 'Mae Hen Wlad fy Nhadau' which became the national anthem of Wales.(His son was lodging at betws when he composed the music) ------------------------------------ Modern facilities that included! COUNTY LUNATIC ASYLUM POOR LAW UNION Workhouse which was built about 1836-7. Porthcawl Harbour (opened about 1830) Even before the Iron industries came to the area there was an outsourcing cottage industry producing farm impliments such as shovels et. mainly for the west country, employing local blacksmiths to make the tools. The Talbots of Margam were the main driving force behind the industry but they couldn't break the monopoly of the north to become a Crawshey or Wilkinson. Thomas Wyndham of Dunraven had his supply of port wine shipped from Bristol to the precursor to Porthcawl harbour at Newton in 1794. Could your ansestors have gone to France harvest the crop as you say, traveling to France from Porthcawl in much the same way as the Johnny onion men who originated from the area around the town of Roscoff known as Bro Rosko, in Brittany used to do. Just some thoughts Gareth Good Morning Listers Can any-one really bright suggest any reason why an ancestor of mine was born in Bordeaux, France circa 1856? She was MARY ANN WEBB, sister to my Grandmother, EMMA CECIL WEBB. Her parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH WEBB came from Worcester and Gloucestershire respectively and had some of their children in Ruardean, Gloc and some in Llanharry, Glamorgan. William Webb would have been an Ag Lab in 1856 and I can’t imagine why he and his wife would have gone to France unless it was to pick grapes. It seems a very adventurous thing to do especially if Elizabeth was pregnant at the time. Mary Ann seemed to have been their first child. If any-one can shed light on the conditions of the time and a possible reason for this I would love to hear about it. Best Wishes Eirwen

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Good Morning Listers Can any-one really bright suggest any reason why an ancestor of mine was born in Bordeaux, France circa 1856? She was MARY ANN WEBB, sister to my Grandmother, EMMA CECIL WEBB. Her parents WILLIAM and ELIZABETH WEBB came from Worcester and Gloucestershire respectively and had some of their children in Ruardean, Gloc and some in Llanharry, Glamorgan. William Webb would have been an Ag Lab in 1856 and I can’t imagine why he and his wife would have gone to France unless it was to pick grapes. It seems a very adventurous thing to do especially if Elizabeth was pregnant at the time. Mary Ann seemed to have been their first child. If any-one can shed light on the conditions of the time and a possible reason for this I would love to hear about it. Best Wishes Eirwen

----- Original Message ----- From: Dianne To: glam Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:31 PM Subject: Fw: lewis/davies I had trouble trying to send this yesterday 31/5/ 11 so Im trying again today hope it gets there this time Dianne ----- Original Message ----- 2011 12:26 PM Subject: lewis/davies Thought i had the right family but I didnt so once again I am asking the list if they can help WILLIAM LEWIS gggrandfather b1828 m Hannah Davies b 1839 married 1853 Zoar Chapel Merthry Tydful 2 children Thomas , Elizabeth (Ggrandmother). I have marriage cert, brth Cert for children, shipping record as they immigrated to Australia in 1862 on the "Annie Wilson " I have the 1841, 1851 , 1861 , census for them . WILLIAM ,HANNAH,THOMAS,ELIZABETH.(1861) On the 1841 census of WILLIAM LEWIS other siblings are JOHN b1826 ELIZABETH b 1830 Parents of WILLIAM LEWIS , David b 1806 think mother is Mary b 1801. ''''''' '''''' ' HANNAH DAVIES John and Elizabeth - POSSIBLE MARRIAGE -28 march 1821 Merthyr Tydfil ( Elizabeth Vaughan) bride , grooms parish Merthyr Tydfil. I would like to find out if this is the correct families of WILLIAM and HANNAH also to find where the other siblings went and if there are any decendants still alive today its hard with such common names A big thank you to everyone that has helped me so far Dianne

Hello Lynda Cambrian Index Online 21 December 1839 THE DUKE OF BEAUFORT ALLOWS PART OF SWANSEA CASTLE,THE OLD TOWNHALL ETC. AS BARRACKS. Hope this helps Gareth -----Original Message----- From: Lynda Hirst Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 2:14 AM To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] 1841 Census reference to Swansea Barracks Hi all have just come across a reference in the 1841 census, to a William Beard [my brick wall], being enumerated at Swansea Barracks as 'Military' but having googled, I haven't found anything that indicates where the Barracks were located or any other reference of use -- As usual, I can't reach the Cambrian Index to check for anything there, nor can I reach the other Swansea sites -- -- does anyone have any information about the Barracks please? cheers Lynda Christchurch NZ

-----Original Message----- From: Lynda Hirst Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2011 2:14 AM To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] 1841 Census reference to Swansea Barracks Hi all have just come across a reference in the 1841 census, to a William Beard [my brick wall], being enumerated at Swansea Barracks as 'Military' but having googled, I haven't found anything that indicates where the Barracks were located or any other reference of use -- As usual, I can't reach the Cambrian Index to check for anything there, nor can I reach the other Swansea sites -- -- does anyone have any information about the Barracks please? cheers Lynda Christchurch NZ Hi Lynda The following may help........... http://www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/watersons/songs/swanseatown.html http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-27577.html http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/local-news/swansea/2011/02/28/swansea-castle-to-be-opened-up-to-tourists-91466-28247367/

Hi List I am once again turning attention to my THOMAS family in Glamorgan, and seek any information on my Great Grand Uncle John THOMAS. John married Kate PROBERT in 1895 and they had 2 children at the time of the 1911 Census, Sarah Doris (1904) and William (1909). John was born in Mynyddislwyn, Monmouthshire in 1856 and was a Colliery Manager and resided at Fernbank, 42 Graig Road Ynyshir, I have not been able to locate any information on the family after 1911, can any one help please?? Thankyou John at last some rain Mandurah Western Australia

Hi everyone, I want to go to Aberdare in the near future. There used to be a motel on the outskirts of Aberdare, near to Asda if I remember correctly. I can't seem to find it on the internet. Does it still exist, please? David Williams

Hi Bruce, Don't know if you already know Brinley's death date, but just in case you don't, here it is. This is Brinley's death entry from the Armed forces bmd Armed Forces BMD details Registration event: Death Name: CARD, Brinley Ship or unit: Pozarica Rank: Able Seaman Year: 1943 Volume: 2 Page: 608 Record source: GRO War Death Naval Ratings Indices (1939 to 1948) I went on to the Commonwealth war graves commission and found more info about him. http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2369060 Have a look at the certificate too, which is the brown button underneath where it says Portsmouth Naval Memorial. Jan > Dear List, > > I am trying to locate the family of Brinley CARD that married Doris THOMAS > in 1938. Brinley was born about Jul 1915 in Pontypridd. His sister Bessie > was born about Jan 1904 also in Pontypridd. Their father was William CARD > who I cannot find in the 1911 census. > > Would appreciate any help. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > Heath, Ohio > >

Bruce, Are you sure his father was William CARD? The birth registration gives the mother's maiden name as CARD, which means he was illegitimate unless William CARD married another CARD. Births Sep 1914 Card Brinley Card Pontypridd 11a 1268 Births Mar 1902 Card Bessie Bridgend 11a 848 or Births Mar 1904 CARD Bessie Merthyr T. 11a 877 (no mother's maiden names until 1913) William & Margaret Card are at RG14PN32519 RG78PN1857 RD590 SD4 ED40 SN267 7 William St Abercwmboi Aberdare CARD, William Head Married M 37 1874 Coal Miner Somerset Nunnery CARD, Margaret Wife Married 15 years F 35 1876 Glamorgan Aberdare CARD, Elizabeth Ann Daughter Single F 14 1897 Glamorgan Aberdare CARD, Mary Daughter Single F 12 1899 Glamorgan Aberdare CARD, William Henry Son M 10 1901 Glamorgan Aberdare CARD, Gwladys Daughter F 9 1902 Glamorgan Aberdare CARD, Bessie Daughter F 7 1904 Glamorgan Aberdare CARD, Magdalen Daughter F 5 1906 Glamorgan Aberdare Marriages Jun 1896 Pontypridd 11a 766 Card William ; Clements Sydney ; Davies Margaret Ann; Howells Margaret There is another Bessie CARD at Bridgend, aged 8, daughter of Harry and Georgina Card Marriage: Brinley Card - Doris Thomas Sep 1938 Hendon (Middlesex) 3a (219 or 2199) Possible death for Doris: Doris Card 13 Jul 1915 Oct 1996 Brent Middlesex C14E 2211E 24 I couldn't find a death for Brinley in the GRO indexes (up to 2005) Hope that helps, Dai On 01/06/2011 17:33, Bruce P Barrett wrote: > Dear List, > > I am trying to locate the family of Brinley CARD that married Doris THOMAS > in 1938. Brinley was born about Jul 1915 in Pontypridd. His sister Bessie > was born about Jan 1904 also in Pontypridd. Their father was William CARD > who I cannot find in the 1911 census. > > Would appreciate any help. > > Thanks > > Bruce > > Heath, Ohio >

WESTERN MAIL THURSDAY DECEMBER 16. 1926.  No. 339. PENRHIWCEIBER TRAGEDY-Football Veteran Killed At The Colliery.   A popular sportsman, William OWEN, was fatally injured at the Penrikyber Colliery on Wednesday. OWEN who lived at Aberaman, had been one of the mainstays of the Penrhiwceiber football team for many years. BLAENAVON MAN'S SUICIDE.   "Suicide while of unsound mind" was the verdict recorded at Blaenavon regarding William Edward DAVIES (52), a married man with six children, who was found hanging from a bed rail in his bedroom. He was stated to have been depressed owing to unemployment. FUNERAL OF COUNCILLOR D. SMITH, CWMTILLERY   The  funeral of Councillor David SMITH, "father" of the Abertillery District Council, of Palace-row, Cwmtillery, took place at the Blaenau Gwent Cemetery on Wednesday. The coffin, preceded by members of the Abertillery Fire Brigade, was carried to St. Paul's Church by members and officials of the Abertillery Council and officials of the Rose Heyworth Colliery where Mr. SMITH was for many years under-manager. The officiating clergymen were the Revs. T. Madog WILLIAMS (vicar of Cwmtillery) and H. S. REES, Christchurch, Newport (formerly vicar of Abertillery). There was a large attendance of the public, including Mr. W. B. HARRISON, J.P., chairman of the Abertillery magistrates' Mr. David WALTERS, J.P., chairman of the Abertillery Council; Dr. T. B. SMITH, medical officer for Abertillery; Mr. T. Mostyn THOMAS, the famous Welsh vocalist (who is the nephew of Mr. SMITH); Mr. R. TUDOR, J.P., and many others. FUNERAL OF MR. W. WRIGHT, CARDIFF.   The funeral took place at Cardiff Cemetery on Wednesday of Mr. William WRIGHT, marine surveyor, 24, Harrissmith-road, Cardiff. The Rev. J. R. COATES, B.A., Roath Park Presbyterian Church, officiated. The chief mourners were Mr. Morris WRIGHT (brother) and Mr. W. FLORENCE (brother-in-law). Representing Cardiff Caledonian Society were:- Dr. W. Campbell ANDERSON (president). Messrs. Alexis GILLIS (secretary), W. E. CAMERON, David REID, A. C. McWHIRTER, and G. D. SLATER, Capt. MILLER, Messrs. J. A. W. McKAY, W. Watson PAIRMAN, F. W. WEBB, Tom ELLIOTT, A. CALDER, John EDWARDS, and J. S. McGILL.   Others present were:- Mr. A. HAMILTON, representing A. HAMILTON and Sons (limited); Mr. T. G. THOMAS, (consulting engineer), Capt. E. WISNOM, Mr. Ted WILLIAMS, Mr. W. S. THOMAS, Councillor Frederick JONES, Capt. JEFFREY, Capt. John SMITH, Capt. G. GRAINGER, Capt. G. BRECKON, Mr. James WINDHAM, and Mr. Stephen WINDHAM. FUNERAL OF MR. G. BREEZE, PENARTH.   The funeral took place at St. Fagan's on Wednesday of Mr. George BREEZE, of 15 West-terrace, Penarth, who for 22 years was the head gamekeeper of the Plymouth Estate. Officials and employes of the estate joined with well-known bowlers in mourning their old colleague, who was an established favourite at St. Fagan's. The obsequies were conducted by the Rev. F. W. MOXHAY.   The family mourners were Mrs. BREEZE (widow) and her three sons. Mr. and Mrs. ROBERTSON, Mr. and Mrs. CLARK, and Mr. and Mrs. LEDLINGTON (brothers-in-law and sisters), Mr. and Mrs. H. BUCK, Mr. and Mrs. RICHARDSON, and Mr. and Mrs. STRATTON.   The estates representatives were accompanied by Mr. AKENHARD (Cardiff Bowling Club), Mr. Cliff MOORE, Mr. S. PRICE, Mr. Trevor PREECE, Mr. Arthur TRESEDER, Mr. Arthur JOHN, members of the St. Fagan's Bowling Club, and other friends. John Patrick