Good evening, I am new to this list and I am hoping someone can help.In the 1911 census, a great aunt of mine was working as housemaid at the "staff house" of the above address.As there were 8 other women working as bar attendants,I presume it was some sort of hotel/club. I did the Google Street View and it's now called the "River House"...or at least it was when Google filmed it. My question is,can someone tell me what it was called in 1911? Thank you Roy

'Naturalist' in the 1865 entry was a term used for taxidermist at the time, when having stuffed animals and birds in glass cases was a must for 'sporting' landed gentry. At one time there were a lot of stuffed animals in Cardiff museum. This advert from a contemporary in Swansea conveys the nature of the business: 03 March 1876 T. ANDREWS, NATURALIST, GORSE LN., SWANSEA. STUFFER OF BIRDS, ANIMALS ETC. SKINS MADE INTO RUGS FOR CARRIAGE OR HOUSE.P1 The skills with leather and glues would have been relatively similar to those of a bookbinder. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Leiderman" <leiderman@gmail.com> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s > Thanks Jeff, > > I have a ton of Gale's info but his private life (wife, etc) was never > covered in the sporting pages of newspapers. > Gale left Wales in 1881 (Went to the US. Died there in 1905), so a lot > happened between 1855-1880 while in Wales. >>From city directories and accounts, I know that in that lapse he worked as >>a > photographer, a publican and a butcher ... While in the US he worked as a > Taxidermist. Before settling in Wales, he worked as a Book Binder... (talk > about random jobs!). > The only mention of his wife Mary I had was from the 1861 census... > > Best, > > Jim > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Jeff Coleman > <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com>wrote: > >> There was an item about him in the 'Cambrian', the Swansea newspaper, in >> 1855 >> >> SPORTS AND RECREATION, ATHLETICS 21 December 1855 SUPERINTENDENT >> TATE,BERNARD KENE,MARINER ST & WILLIAM GALE THE PEDESTRIAN. >> >> And here is another one: >> >> SPORTS AND RECREATION, ATHLETICS 07 September 1855 MR GALE OF >> LONDON,WALKED >> OVER SEVEN MILES IN UNDER AN HOUR AT NEATH. >> >> If someone has access to the 'Western Mail' online via NLW there may be >> other items, if he was based in Cardiff. >> >> If we have the exact date of the 1880 feat in New York that may also be >> useful to discover other accounts which may have details of his life in >> Wales. >> >> Jeff >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Leiderman" >> <leiderman@gmail.com> >> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:50 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s >> >> >> This is the fellow I'm researching in case interested in seeing an 1870s >>> picture: >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/baseballimagery/5365045106/in/photostream >>> >>> I've been able to find lots of info on his life but his marriage, >>> progeny >>> ? >>> have been quite difficult to track down. >>> >>> Jim >>>

There was an item about him in the 'Cambrian', the Swansea newspaper, in 1855 SPORTS AND RECREATION, ATHLETICS 21 December 1855 SUPERINTENDENT TATE,BERNARD KENE,MARINER ST & WILLIAM GALE THE PEDESTRIAN. And here is another one: SPORTS AND RECREATION, ATHLETICS 07 September 1855 MR GALE OF LONDON,WALKED OVER SEVEN MILES IN UNDER AN HOUR AT NEATH. If someone has access to the 'Western Mail' online via NLW there may be other items, if he was based in Cardiff. If we have the exact date of the 1880 feat in New York that may also be useful to discover other accounts which may have details of his life in Wales. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Leiderman" <leiderman@gmail.com> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s > This is the fellow I'm researching in case interested in seeing an 1870s > picture: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/baseballimagery/5365045106/in/photostream > > I've been able to find lots of info on his life but his marriage, progeny > ? > have been quite difficult to track down. > > Jim > > On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Kerry Frater > <kerry@myforefathers.co.uk>wrote: > >> Did your GALE's originally come from Devon. Specifically the Bampton >> area. >> >> Kerry >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >> glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Jimmy Leiderman >> Sent: 13 June 2011 22:41 >> To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s >> >> Thanks guys, that was fast! >> >> Wonder if there's mention of William and Mary Gale in the 1871 Wales >> Census. >> >> >From a 1871 Penarth directory, William Gale was listed as working as a >> Butcher, although he was also a photographer. >> >> Best, >> >> Jim >> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jon's FH <jons.fh@btinternet.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Hi Jim, >> > >> > Found at http://www.freebmd.org.uk >> > >> > Marriages Oct-Dec 1857 >> > Registration District: Cardiff >> > Vol.: 11a >> > Page: 376 >> > William Gale & Mary Williams >> > >> > Kindest regards, >> > >> > Jon >> > >> -- >> >> To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >> - >> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be >> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >> >> - >> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >> http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Excellent points Jeff. I didn't know what that 'naturalist' bit in the 1865 directory was. If anyone's interested, I've uploaded a couple of interesting newspaper clippings, a signed taxidermist bill and the directories bits I've found so far here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/85078449@N00/sets/72157626961196456/ Jim On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com>wrote: > 'Naturalist' in the 1865 entry was a term used for taxidermist at the time, > when having stuffed animals and birds in glass cases was a must for > 'sporting' landed gentry. At one time there were a lot of stuffed animals in > Cardiff museum. > > This advert from a contemporary in Swansea conveys the nature of the > business: > 03 March 1876 T. ANDREWS, NATURALIST, GORSE LN., SWANSEA. STUFFER OF BIRDS, > ANIMALS ETC. SKINS MADE INTO RUGS FOR CARRIAGE OR HOUSE.P1 > > The skills with leather and glues would have been relatively similar to > those of a bookbinder. > > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Leiderman" <leiderman@gmail.com> > To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 4:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s > > > Thanks Jeff, >> >> I have a ton of Gale's info but his private life (wife, etc) was never >> covered in the sporting pages of newspapers. >> Gale left Wales in 1881 (Went to the US. Died there in 1905), so a lot >> happened between 1855-1880 while in Wales. >> >>> From city directories and accounts, I know that in that lapse he worked >>> as a >>> >> photographer, a publican and a butcher ... While in the US he worked as a >> Taxidermist. Before settling in Wales, he worked as a Book Binder... (talk >> about random jobs!). >> The only mention of his wife Mary I had was from the 1861 census... >> >> Best, >> >> Jim >> >> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com >> >wrote: >> >> There was an item about him in the 'Cambrian', the Swansea newspaper, in >>> 1855 >>> >>> SPORTS AND RECREATION, ATHLETICS 21 December 1855 SUPERINTENDENT >>> TATE,BERNARD KENE,MARINER ST & WILLIAM GALE THE PEDESTRIAN. >>> >>> And here is another one: >>> >>> SPORTS AND RECREATION, ATHLETICS 07 September 1855 MR GALE OF >>> LONDON,WALKED >>> OVER SEVEN MILES IN UNDER AN HOUR AT NEATH. >>> >>> If someone has access to the 'Western Mail' online via NLW there may be >>> other items, if he was based in Cardiff. >>> >>> If we have the exact date of the 1880 feat in New York that may also be >>> useful to discover other accounts which may have details of his life in >>> Wales. >>> >>> Jeff >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Leiderman" < >>> leiderman@gmail.com> >>> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:50 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s >>> >>> >>> This is the fellow I'm researching in case interested in seeing an 1870s >>> >>>> picture: >>>> >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/baseballimagery/5365045106/in/photostream >>>> >>>> I've been able to find lots of info on his life but his marriage, >>>> progeny >>>> ? >>>> have been quite difficult to track down. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> > >

It would be very helpful if you could give us some idea of dates you are looking for. 1790s? 1840s? 1950s? Also some idea of any census that this couple appear on. There appears to be a marriage in Narberth registration district of Morris RICHARDS and Mary PHILIPPS in June quarter 1838. This registration district included a number of parishes in the west of Carmarthenshire, as well as many in Pembrokeshire. This couple appear to have been living at Begelly Moor in 1851, in Begelly, Pembrokeshire with numerous children He was from 'Coffick', Carmarthenshire which might well have been Cyffig ( see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Cyffig/index.html ) which was close to the Pembrokeshire border and in Narberth Registration District. People used to driving to Pembrokeshire will recognise that Red Roses in the parish of Cyffig is on the main road from Carmarthen and St Clears towards Tenby and Begelly. She was from Begelly. Begelly was a mining area where the mines seem to have been running down by mid/late 19th century, and a number of people migrated east to mining areas of Glamorgan and East Carmarthenshire. PHILIPPS is a Pembrokeshire spelling adopted by some landowning families, and presumably others. "BEGELLY (BUGELI), a parish, in the union of and hundred of NARBERTH, county of PEMBROKE, SOUTH WALES, 5 miles (S. by E.) from Narberth, on the road to Tenby; containing, with the chapelry of Williamston, which supports its own poor, 1159 inhabitants. The substratum of the soil in this parish is coal, of excellent quality, and in great request for the drying of malt and hops by the proprietors of breweries and distilleries: it is chiefly procured by a company under Sir R.B.P. Philipps, Bart., and J.M. Childe, Esq., who are the chief proprietors of the soil, and receive one-sixth part, as their share of the produce: there are also some smaller proprietors, who exact one-fifth, and even one-fourth, part from those who work only on a limited scale." from http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Begelly/Begelly1844.html extracted by Gareth Hicks Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen" <kmabey@bigpond.net.au> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 5:26 PM Subject: [GLA] FW: marriage help please > Sorry if posted twice. > > > > > > Hi > > Looking for help with a marriage of Morris RICHARDS and Mary COLE please. >>From what I'm told Morris was from Carmarthenshire think he died Narberth > Pembrokeshire. > > Any information will be helpful. > > > > Regards > > Karen. > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Jeff, I have a ton of Gale's info but his private life (wife, etc) was never covered in the sporting pages of newspapers. Gale left Wales in 1881 (Went to the US. Died there in 1905), so a lot happened between 1855-1880 while in Wales. >From city directories and accounts, I know that in that lapse he worked as a photographer, a publican and a butcher ... While in the US he worked as a Taxidermist. Before settling in Wales, he worked as a Book Binder... (talk about random jobs!). The only mention of his wife Mary I had was from the 1861 census... Best, Jim On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com>wrote: > There was an item about him in the 'Cambrian', the Swansea newspaper, in > 1855 > > SPORTS AND RECREATION, ATHLETICS 21 December 1855 SUPERINTENDENT > TATE,BERNARD KENE,MARINER ST & WILLIAM GALE THE PEDESTRIAN. > > And here is another one: > > SPORTS AND RECREATION, ATHLETICS 07 September 1855 MR GALE OF LONDON,WALKED > OVER SEVEN MILES IN UNDER AN HOUR AT NEATH. > > If someone has access to the 'Western Mail' online via NLW there may be > other items, if he was based in Cardiff. > > If we have the exact date of the 1880 feat in New York that may also be > useful to discover other accounts which may have details of his life in > Wales. > > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy Leiderman" <leiderman@gmail.com> > To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s > > > This is the fellow I'm researching in case interested in seeing an 1870s >> picture: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/baseballimagery/5365045106/in/photostream >> >> I've been able to find lots of info on his life but his marriage, progeny >> ? >> have been quite difficult to track down. >> >> Jim >> >> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Kerry Frater <kerry@myforefathers.co.uk >> >wrote: >> >> Did your GALE's originally come from Devon. Specifically the Bampton >>> area. >>> >>> Kerry >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: >>> glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of Jimmy Leiderman >>> Sent: 13 June 2011 22:41 >>> To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s >>> >>> Thanks guys, that was fast! >>> >>> Wonder if there's mention of William and Mary Gale in the 1871 Wales >>> Census. >>> >>> >From a 1871 Penarth directory, William Gale was listed as working as a >>> Butcher, although he was also a photographer. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jon's FH <jons.fh@btinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi Jim, >>> > >>> > Found at http://www.freebmd.org.uk >>> > >>> > Marriages Oct-Dec 1857 >>> > Registration District: Cardiff >>> > Vol.: 11a >>> > Page: 376 >>> > William Gale & Mary Williams >>> > >>> > Kindest regards, >>> > >>> > Jon >>> > >>> -- >>> >>> To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >>> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >>> - >>> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be >>> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >>> >>> - >>> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >>> http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >> >> To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com >> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >> - >> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be >> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >> >> - >> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >> http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > >

Did your GALE's originally come from Devon. Specifically the Bampton area. Kerry -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Leiderman Sent: 13 June 2011 22:41 To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s Thanks guys, that was fast! Wonder if there's mention of William and Mary Gale in the 1871 Wales Census. >From a 1871 Penarth directory, William Gale was listed as working as a Butcher, although he was also a photographer. Best, Jim On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jon's FH <jons.fh@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Found at http://www.freebmd.org.uk > > Marriages Oct-Dec 1857 > Registration District: Cardiff > Vol.: 11a > Page: 376 > William Gale & Mary Williams > > Kindest regards, > > Jon > -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry if posted twice. Hi Looking for help with a marriage of Morris RICHARDS and Mary COLE please. >From what I'm told Morris was from Carmarthenshire think he died Narberth Pembrokeshire. Any information will be helpful. Regards Karen.

This is the fellow I'm researching in case interested in seeing an 1870s picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/baseballimagery/5365045106/in/photostream I've been able to find lots of info on his life but his marriage, progeny ? have been quite difficult to track down. Jim On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Kerry Frater <kerry@myforefathers.co.uk>wrote: > Did your GALE's originally come from Devon. Specifically the Bampton area. > > Kerry > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto: > glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jimmy Leiderman > Sent: 13 June 2011 22:41 > To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s > > Thanks guys, that was fast! > > Wonder if there's mention of William and Mary Gale in the 1871 Wales > Census. > > >From a 1871 Penarth directory, William Gale was listed as working as a > Butcher, although he was also a photographer. > > Best, > > Jim > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jon's FH <jons.fh@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > Found at http://www.freebmd.org.uk > > > > Marriages Oct-Dec 1857 > > Registration District: Cardiff > > Vol.: 11a > > Page: 376 > > William Gale & Mary Williams > > > > Kindest regards, > > > > Jon > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Glebe Street not Globe Street. Not very clear on that page, but very clear on adjacent pages. I don't know of any Globe Street in Penarth, but Glebe Street is still there. You can see it on Google Maps StreetView. It looks as if part of it has been in an urban regeneration area, from the uniformly restored housefronts. Some of the little shops you can imagine having been shops for 130 years or more with a facelift every now and again. Penarth Dock was both larger than most, so more suitable for larger vessels, and also possibly quicker turn-around than Cardiff docks in late 19th century, which could be a reason for him to end up there. However this William GALE was aged 28 in 1871 and his wife, born in New York, aged 27, so not likely to have married in the 1850s! So quite possibly a different couple. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: <rdmnanst@aol.com> To: <leiderman@gmail.com>; <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s > > Jimmy > > In the 1871 on Globe Street, Penarth, > William GALE, 28 years, Butcher, born London > Mary Matilda, wife, 27, born New York > Robert SIMMONS, servant, butcher, 49 yrs, born, Bath > > Doug > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jimmy Leiderman <leiderman@gmail.com> > To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 4:41 pm > Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s > > > Thanks guys, that was fast! > > Wonder if there's mention of William and Mary Gale in the 1871 Wales > Census. > >>From a 1871 Penarth directory, William Gale was listed as working as a > Butcher, although he was also a photographer. > > Best, > > Jim > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jon's FH <jons.fh@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Hi Jim, >> >> Found at http://www.freebmd.org.uk >> >> Marriages Oct-Dec 1857 >> Registration District: Cardiff >> Vol.: 11a >> Page: 376 >> William Gale & Mary Williams >> >> Kindest regards, >> >> Jon >> > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found > at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jeff Coleman wrote: 8>< mega snip but all noted > Your best bet may be to contact West Glamorgan Archives and ask > specifically what records for 1861-1864 might exist that might > be relevant. I've shot off a mail to them and will see what they have to say. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Wiltshire FHS are holding their annual Open Day, at Trowbridge College, Trowbridge, BA14 0ES from 10am - 3.30pm on 18th June http://www.wiltshirefhs.co.uk/ Glamorgan FHS will be attending with a help desk and bookstall. Why not come along and we may be able to help you with your research or browse through our local history books and publications for sale. If anyone would like us to bring along any specific publications, please let me know by Tuesday evening, as we are unable to carry copies of all of our publications. Also a reminder that the SWAG Fair is taking place at the Winter Gardens, Weston super Mare on 9th July 2011. www.swagfhs.org.uk Rosemary Smith

In 1871 William Rogers age 72 b Broxbourne,Hertfordshire and his wife Ann, 53, b Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire were living at 34a Strand, while at No. 34 was the household of John Crook, carpenter, and also in 34a was the family of John Waterhouse, a Fellmonger and skinner from Lancashire, his wife from Nova Scotia and one son born in Dublin and a new-born daughter. [ Fellmonger's premises were notoriously smelly, so one hopes he just lived there, and didn't work on the premises.] The Strand was not a salubrious quarter of the town where other solicitors or attorneys lived - it was close to the North Dock and contained a large number of public-houses specialising in entertaining seafaring men, and some commercial and industrial premises. This William Rogers does not seem to appear in the 'Cambrian Index', though his namesake,who kept the Waterloo iron foundry, appears several times. There was however, a William Rogers who donated books to the Library of the Royal Institution of South Wales in 1871. http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=29618 is s list of all the electoral rolls surviving, which do not seem to cover the period in question. There are various street directories and trade directories in Swansea Central Library, the Royal Institution of South Wales (Swansea Museum) and in West Glamorgan Archives. If William Rogers was a householder, rather than a lodger, he may well appear in the Rate Books ( for collecting the Poor Rate to sustain the activities of Swansea Board of Guardians) http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=28474 However if he moved from place to place he may be hard to trace, as I think these will be organised in street order. http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=9313 may also be helpful. Your best bet may be to contact West Glamorgan Archives and ask specifically what records for 1861-1864 might exist that might be relevant. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charani" <charani.b@gmail.com> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:04 PM Subject: [GLA] William ROGERS: Electoral Rolls from 1861-1864 > In 1861 William ROGERS was living in Carmarthen but in 1871 he had > moved to 34 Strand, Swansea. > > I know from items in the London Gazette, William had moved by 1864. > I'd like to try to ascertain more closely when he did move by using > the electoral rolls. As an attorney, he should have qualified for > inclusion. > > Could someone tell me, please, would the electoral rolls be at the > record office or elsewhere? > > -- > Charani (UK) > OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM > Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM > http://wsom-opc.org.uk > http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ > --

Jimmy In the 1871 on Globe Street, Penarth, William GALE, 28 years, Butcher, born London Mary Matilda, wife, 27, born New York Robert SIMMONS, servant, butcher, 49 yrs, born, Bath Doug -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Leiderman <leiderman@gmail.com> To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s Thanks guys, that was fast! Wonder if there's mention of William and Mary Gale in the 1871 Wales Census. >From a 1871 Penarth directory, William Gale was listed as working as a Butcher, although he was also a photographer. Best, Jim On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jon's FH <jons.fh@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi Jim, > > Found at http://www.freebmd.org.uk > > Marriages Oct-Dec 1857 > Registration District: Cardiff > Vol.: 11a > Page: 376 > William Gale & Mary Williams > > Kindest regards, > > Jon > -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear All, I sent a query to Swansea record office asking dear Sir/Madam I recently found out that 2 of my great grandparents are buried in Pontrhydyfen , even though they lived at least 20 years in Aberdare. Their funerals were in Aberdare, but the coffins were taken by rail to Port Talbot and then by road to Pontrhydyfen. Their names are Margaret Morgan died 1914 and John Afanydd Morgan died 1936 whose obituary specifically mentions Jerusalem Chapel burial ground for the interrment. My query is are there any burial records held for Jerusalem chapel? Or am I to find the burial ground and do a personal search? their reply was short and sweet Unfortunately we do not hold any burial registers for Jerusalem Calvinistic Chapel, Pontrhydyfen. We only hold some marriage registers for the years, 1965-1991 (D/D CM 9) Does anyone know where these records are? or are they lost? what is the state of the graveyard, is it maintained, and is it open? any help will be gratefully received thank you/diolch yn fawr Gavin Williams

Strange... names match (Not the Matilda), but years and Mary's place of birth don't. What are the odds? On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <rdmnanst@aol.com> wrote: > Jimmy > > In the 1871 on Globe Street, Penarth, > William GALE, 28 years, Butcher, born London > Mary Matilda, wife, 27, born New York > Robert SIMMONS, servant, butcher, 49 yrs, born, Bath > > Doug > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jimmy Leiderman <leiderman@gmail.com> > To: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com > Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 4:41 pm > Subject: Re: [GLA] William Gale - Cardiff Marriage - 1850s > > Thanks guys, that was fast! > > Wonder if there's mention of William and Mary Gale in the 1871 Wales Census. > > >From a 1871 Penarth directory, William Gale was listed as working as a > Butcher, although he was also a photographer. > > Best, > > Jim > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Jon's FH <jons.fh@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Hi Jim, > > > > Found at http://www.freebmd.org.uk > > > > > Marriages Oct-Dec 1857 > > Registration District: Cardiff > > Vol.: 11a > > Page: 376 > > William Gale & Mary Williams > > > > Kindest regards, > > > > Jon > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are athttp://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found > at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pageshttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html andhttp://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > >

Jennie , I posted this in response to a query this morning. Are you able to confirm that James Vernon married Jane James, and can you give us their father's names please? Thanks, Dai -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [GLA] Can anyone please help? VERNON Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 08:24:12 +0100 From: Dai & Angela Bevan [1]<daibevan@clara.co.uk> To: [2]glamorgan@rootsweb.com Rhonda, FreeBMD has: Marriages Mar 1879 Cardiff 11a 313 JAMES Jane; Morris Herbert; Vernon James; WEST Sarah References 1. mailto:daibevan@clara.co.uk 2. mailto:glamorgan@rootsweb.com

Hello Helen Its down as Lantrissant, they are living at Ynishir in the Rhondda. Eldest daughter Mary is 6, making the nearest wedding date at approximately 1854. In the 1st quarter of 1853 a Maria HILL married a David Davies. Gareth Hi, Does anyone have list of 1851 marriages? I'm looking for the following marriage, somewhere between 1851-1855 and I think maybe Merthyr. David Davies of Pencarreg to Maria ?poss Davies. On 1861 original census, says wife from Lanlassant, and written says Llansaint, Glamorganshire, but I only know of Llantrisant. (llansaint in Carms?) Census was in Merthyr Tydfil, parish Ystradyfodwg. Just wondering if anyone had details of around that time, thanks for looking. Regards Helen

(I'm having trouble posting because of SORBS so this may not make it to the list) Jeff Coleman wrote: > [ Fellmonger's premises were notoriously smelly, so > one hopes he just lived there, and didn't work on the premises.] He handled a couple of bankruptcy cases in 1864 and was described as being of Swansea. There's no details of an address. > The Strand was not a salubrious quarter of the town where other > solicitors or attorneys lived - it was close to the North Dock and > contained a large number of public-houses specialising in entertaining > seafaring men, and some commercial and industrial premises. He'd married a rich widow in 1829 and I think her inheritance payrolled his practice. He'd had two clerks at one stage. Then either the money ran out or something happened forcing him to move away and downmarket. > This William Rogers does not seem to appear in the 'Cambrian Index', > though his namesake,who kept the Waterloo iron foundry, appears several > times. There was however, a William Rogers who donated books to the > Library of the Royal Institution of South Wales in 1871. The book donation could well have been by my William > > http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=29618 is s list of all the > electoral rolls surviving, which do not seem to cover the period in > question. Rats! > There are various street directories and trade directories in Swansea > Central Library, the Royal Institution of South Wales (Swansea Museum) > and in West Glamorgan Archives. If he'd virtually stopped working, there's a good chance he wouldn't be listed. He was given as a retired attorney in 1881. > If William Rogers was a householder, rather than a lodger, he may well > appear in the Rate Books ( for collecting the Poor Rate to sustain the > activities of Swansea Board of Guardians) > http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=28474 In 1881 he was again living in a multi occupancy house at 62 St Helens Avenue. I don't know where he lived in between times or how long he was at either address. > However if he moved from place to place he may be hard to trace, as I > think these will be organised in street order. > > http://www.swansea.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=9313 may also be helpful. > > Your best bet may be to contact West Glamorgan Archives and ask > specifically what records for 1861-1864 might exist that might be relevant. I'll drop them a line and see what there is. Many thanks for your help. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

HMC001@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone have list of 1851 marriages? > I'm looking for the following marriage, somewhere between 1851-1855 and I > think maybe Merthyr. > > David Davies of Pencarreg to Maria ?poss Davies. On 1861 original census, > says wife from Lanlassant, and written says Llansaint, Glamorganshire, but > I only know of Llantrisant. (llansaint in Carms?) Census was in Merthyr > Tydfil, parish Ystradyfodwg. > > Just wondering if anyone had details of around that time, thanks for > looking. Have you discounted this possibility? Marriages Mar 1853 DAVIES David Merthyr 11a 317 HILL Maria Merthyr T. 11a 317 There are also these: Marriages Dec 1851 DAVIES David Carmarthen 26 843 Phillips Maria Carmarthen 26 843 Marriages Dec 1852 DAVIES David Cardiff 11a 313 WILLIAMS Maria Cardiff 11a 313 Marriages Dec 1855 DAVIES David Cardiff 11a 341 HEDGES Maria Cardiff 11a 341 These are all from FreeBMD. There's no guarantee these couples married each other -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/