We had two "tumps" in Ferndale, I could see them from my bedroom window, they were in Llanwonno, made by the waste of the pits (coal mines) -------------------------------------------------- >snip< But what does "tump" mean? Well, I looked it up, not thinking I'd find it: a mound or clump of trees, not a term used in New England. > Cousin Tom >

I have an 1820 baptism entry where the mother is listed as a "Covenanted Servant" I can only find those of high office, particularly in the old Colonial Indian Service. For someone who signed with the mark of X in her marriage, I am looking at a normal servant of farm or estate. But why covenanted ? Any ideas Bryan www.swanseamariners.org.uk

Hello Heather You can search the 1911 Census for free at. http://www.1911census.co.uk/?ukwid=263079&sourceid=36&utm_source=Google+1911_CPC&utm_medium=General+1&utm_campaign=1911+Census+1 Gareth --- On Sat, 18/6/11, Heather Smith <heather.smith8@virgin.net> wrote: Hi Does anyone know how far Ancestry have got with transcribing the 1911 census, please? Are they starting from scratch or are they buying the 1911 census used by Findmypast? Two of my families are not listed on the Findmypast census. I have located one as I knew the address & Kew found out that that house number had not been photographed therefore it was not on the census. The other family Dinah aged 20 years & John Rees aged 25 years were married in Merthyr Tydfil in 1901. The family state that they went to the Rhondda where John Rees came from so I do not know the address or the town. All the best Heather

I did the Ancestry test, it has not turned up anything so far. The nearest match is 9 generations back and seems to be mainly Welsh which is strange with my Welsh side being the maternal part of my family. There are a lot of Brisco/Briscoe in Cumberland and most of the American Briscoe claim descent from them because they had a title and large house with estates. I haven't seen any matches to them which possibly confirms my suspicion that my branch has no connection with them. Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bruce P Barrett Sent: 18 June 2011 18:20 To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] DNA testing Hi, The male Y-DNA worked for me. When I started my research in 1999 I had 3 bits of information about my 2nd great grandfather.

rdmnanst@aol.com wrote: > Please give us as much info that you have, birth and place, and see if others > can search the1911 on Findmypast....my Grandmother Mary Anna was listed as Hannah..... FindMyPast's T+Cs strictly forbid look-ups for third parties. Anyone who does so risks losing their account. I know people who've had that happen to them and also a number of people who've been warned. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Phil, I read the archive on Mutton Tump. Now we know the name of the Robin Hood of Senghennydd. But what does "tump" mean? Well, I looked it up, not thinking I'd find it: a mound or clump of trees, not a term used in New England. Cousin Tom On Jun 18, 2011, at 4:30 PM, glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:30:56 +0100 > From: "Josephine Jeremiah" <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> > Subject: [GLA] Phil the Cardiff Mongrel and Mutton Tump, Senghenydd ( > was Genetics DNA and all that stuff) > To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <op.vxaglugn42w82j@glasydorlan> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 23:54:31 +0100, <PRode18115@aol.com> wrote: > >> Been away from this list for a long long time so I will take it slowly. >> Some of you may remember me and know that I am actually barking mad :-) > > Hi Phil, > > Your post certainly brought a smile to my face. How could any long-time > list members not remember you? :-) > ... > On the way to Abertridwr, I pointed out Mutton Tump in Senghenydd to Ian. > Do you remember you wrote a message to the Glamorgan List about Mutton > Tump back in 2002? >

The Ancestry What's New has this, it implies they are doing their own transcription. "We've already started transcribing the records so we can make them fully searchable as quickly as possible. We'll keep you updated on our progress and give you further release dates are soon as we can." http://www.ancestry.co.uk/home/new.aspx Martin Briscoe Fort William martin@mbriscoe.me.uk -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Heather Smith Sent: 18 June 2011 17:00 To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: [GLA] Ancestry.uk 1911 census Hi Does anyone know how far Ancestry have got with transcribing the 1911 census, please? Are they starting from scratch or are they buying the 1911 census used by Findmypast? Two of my families are not listed on the Findmypast census. I have located one as I knew the address & Kew found out that that house number had not been photographed therefore it was not on the census. The other family Dinah aged 20 years & John Rees aged 25 years were married in Merthyr Tydfil in 1901. The family state that they went to the Rhondda where John Rees came from so I do not know the address or the town. All the best Heather -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Heather Smith wrote: > Hi Does anyone know how far Ancestry have got with transcribing the 1911 > census, please? Are they starting from scratch or are they buying the 1911 > census used by Findmypast? Ancestry have bought a licence from The National Archives, not FindMyPast, so they are doing their own index. They already have the enumerator's summary books which, if you know the head of household, you'll be able to use to find the family. The images are there so it'll a case of trawling through those at the moment. > Two of my families are not listed on the Findmypast census. The name has probably been mangled. Try looking for a member of the family by given name only and year of birth. Don't give too much detail or be too precise. Little is more. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

Hi Does anyone know how far Ancestry have got with transcribing the 1911 census, please? Are they starting from scratch or are they buying the 1911 census used by Findmypast? Two of my families are not listed on the Findmypast census. I have located one as I knew the address & Kew found out that that house number had not been photographed therefore it was not on the census. The other family Dinah aged 20 years & John Rees aged 25 years were married in Merthyr Tydfil in 1901. The family state that they went to the Rhondda where John Rees came from so I do not know the address or the town. All the best Heather

According to what I've heard, they used to hold dances on top of hills--thus, twmpath. Twmpath is also the Welsh word for speedbump (zebra hump), which I absolutely love! More than one speedbump is 'twmpathau'. My car does a little dance when I drive over a twmpath! :) My other favorite 'Welsh' word is 'poptyping' = microwave. You bake something and when it's done, it pings! Soo much more descriptive! It makes me smile! Mona ________________________________ From: Josephine Jeremiah <jojeremiah@dsl.pipex.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 5:39:33 PM Subject: [GLA] Welsh word twmpath meaning tump (was Phil the Cardiff Mongrel and Mutton Tump, Senghenydd) On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:16:13 +0100, Thomas Roderick <roderick@gwi.net> wrote: > But what does "tump" mean? Well, I looked it up, not thinking I'd find > it: a mound or clump of trees, nota term used in New England. On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:27:57 +0100, Jennifer Cairns <jenmathias@gmail.com> wrote: > Useful hint for all .... type the following into google > define: tump Hi Tom, Jen and Listers, Tump reminded me of the Welsh word twmpath so I typed that into Google and up came the following Wikipedia page on Twmpath meaning tump: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twmpath Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.sovereign-ancestry.com/settlement.html Not sure but this may help ! ? -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Richards <bryanrichards@btinternet.com> To: glamorgan <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:46 Subject: [GLA] Covenanted Servant I have an 1820 baptism entry where the mother is listed as a "Covenanted ervant" I can only find those of high office, particularly in the old Colonial ndian Service. For omeone who signed with the mark of X in her marriage, I am looking at a ormal ervant of farm or estate. But why covenanted ? Any ideas Bryan ww.swanseamariners.org.uk -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com LAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at ttp://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found t http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - he South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages ttp://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and ttp://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Dear List, Family search has Llandaff Abstracts of Wills, also under Llandaff is St David's. Some of St David's are missing a work still in progress. For some like myself who struggle with some of the earlier wills a great bonus. Listed under "Wales, Probate Abstracts, 1773-1780" ( there are wills 1600's + to 1800's) http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 Try it Out Europe Scroll to bottom of the page to Wales Wales, Probate Abstracts, 1773-1780 They are "browse images only". Each set I have looked at has a Place index with name and also a name index is available. This gives us the page number for a particular abstract. It is a case of working out which page is the correct image, taking into account the index pages. Jane M ( W Auss)

Posting to list can be a minefield...Off list posts are usually more beneficial. -----Original Message----- From: Charani <charani.b@gmail.com> To: rdmnanst <rdmnanst@aol.com> CC: glamorgan <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:38 Subject: Re: [GLA] Ancestry.uk 1911 census rdmnanst@aol.com wrote: > Please give us as much info that you have, birth and place, and see if others > can search the1911 on Findmypast....my Grandmother Mary Anna was listed as Hannah..... FindMyPast's T+Cs strictly forbid look-ups for third parties. Anyone who does so risks losing their account. I know people who've had that happen to them and also a number of people who've been warned. -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Heather Please give us as much info that you have, birth and place, and see if others can search the1911 on Findmypast....my Grandmother Mary Anna was listed as Hannah..... Regards Doug California, Missouri, USA -----Original Message----- From: Heather Smith <heather.smith8@virgin.net> To: glamorgan <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2011 11:02 am Subject: [GLA] Ancestry.uk 1911 census Hi Does anyone know how far Ancestry have got with transcribing the 1911 census, please? Are they starting from scratch or are they buying the 1911 census used by Findmypast? Two of my families are not listed on the Findmypast census. I have located one as I knew the address & Kew found out that that house number had not been photographed therefore it was not on the census. The other family Dinah aged 20 years & John Rees aged 25 years were married in Merthyr Tydfil in 1901. The family state that they went to the Rhondda where John Rees came from so I do not know the address or the town. All the best Heather -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, The male Y-DNA worked for me. When I started my research in 1999 I had 3 bits of information about my 2nd great grandfather. Two were irrelevant. The fact that he was born 15 Mar 1775 in England was documented didn't help. Needed to know where. In 2003 a cousin and myself had our Y-DNA tested in hopes that we would eventually match someone with a paper trail back to England. At the end of 2008 we found a match that linked back to Northamptonshire where we found him in the parish records. The Y-DNA on its own won't tell you where your family came from but if you find a match you may be able to determine the location. Thanks Bruce

Jane - That is pretty exciting. I was unable to find abstracts for the years 1800-1809. Do you think they are missing, or have they not been transcribed yet? (or are my eyes going bad?) Lynne in Tucson -----Original Message----- From: janealogy Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 12:50 AM To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com ; dyfed@rootsweb.com Subject: [Dyfed] Abstracts of Wills Llandaff & St Davids Dear List, Family search has Llandaff Abstracts of Wills, also under Llandaff is St David's. Some of St David's are missing a work still in progress. For some like myself who struggle with some of the earlier wills a great bonus. Listed under "Wales, Probate Abstracts, 1773-1780" ( there are wills 1600's + to 1800's) http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0 Try it Out Europe Scroll to bottom of the page to Wales Wales, Probate Abstracts, 1773-1780 They are "browse images only". Each set I have looked at has a Place index with name and also a name index is available. This gives us the page number for a particular abstract. It is a case of working out which page is the correct image, taking into account the index pages. Jane M ( W Auss) ================================ Dyfed list http://home.clara.net/daibevan/DyfedML.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DYFED-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Peter Darn my cunning plan failed. Yes they do have a copy I should have checked what I was sending in the first place. There should be similar copies where you are in Neath or Swansea of papers of more relevance. The following may be of help as well. The Library regrets that it cannot undertake extensive research or genealogical searches on behalf of readers but will be pleased to answer shorter queries by post. Western Mail (kept in hard copy until filmed copy received) South Wales Echo (previous 12 months) Western Mail (daily) 1st May 1869 - PRESENT http://www.bridgend.gov.uk/web/groups/public/documents/services/001884.hcsp Gareth --- On Sat, 18/6/11, Peter Thomas <peter.thomas@nidum.plus.com> wrote: Gareth, basically there are only two newspapers - The South Wales Evening Post and the Western Mail that would have been likely to have reported on this death/inquest. The best bet would be the Evening Post as the Western Mail doesn't have a great following in the Swansea area - additionally, the death appears to have happened in 1970!

On Jun 18, 2011, at 2:00 AM, glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I was about to get DNA tested to see where I came from. LOL. I'm going to be doing the same thing. As I understand it, the test alone won't tell you where you're from--like everyone else your DNA is from everywhere. Given all the migrations, shipwrecks, invasions, dalliances and wanderings astray I bet 100% irish probably means the same thing as 100% American. It's like an 'American' automobile: parts from everywhere, not to mention the raw materials and engineering talent that gave it form What the DNA test does is identify common traits or markers which are unique to your particular family line. The idea is to find other people who have undergone DNA testing and whose markers match yours and trace your line that way. In my case there are a number of Wright family lines from southeastern Virginia and I'm trying to associate myself with one of them. Preferably the one who married into the Washington family, of course, but unlikely. You may have some luck sniffing around the web and finding out more about exactly what happens. Most of what I read was so laced with jargon, it went in one ear and out the other. I still don't understand the actual techniques of matching up markers and all the statistical significance, but I think once I have something specific it'll be easier. Christopher Wright P.E. |"They couldn't hit an elephant at chrisw@skypoint.com | this distance" (last words of Gen. .......................................| John Sedgwick, Spotsylvania 1864) http://www.skypoint.com/members/chrisw/

On 18/06/2011 08:21, Gareth Morgan wrote: > Hello Mary Beth > > I'm sure there's somebody out there that could do the lookup in a local newspaper for you. In Bridgend they have the following newspapers. > > Newspapers on Microfilm at Bridgend Reference Library > > Barry Advertiser and Cinema Review (weekly) 1927 - 1933 > > Brecon County Times (weekly) - Various dates between 1866 - 1933 (Please Check with Library) > > Bridgend Chronicle (weekly) 1857 - 1868 > > The Cambrian and General Weekly Advertiser for the Principality of Wales (weekly) 1804 - 1930 > > Cardiff and Merthyr Guardian (weekly) 1845 - 17th Jan 1874 > > Central Glamorgan Gazette (weekly) 29th June 1866 - 30th March 1894 > > The Chronicle for South& Mid Glamorgan (weekly) Various dates between 1895 - 1909 (Please Check with Library) > > Glamorgan Free Press and Pontypridd& Rhondda Chronicle (weekly) 1910 - 1943 Glamorgan Gazette (weekly) 6th April 1894 - PRESENT (continued from Central Glamorgan Gazette) > > Glamorgan, Monmouth& Brecon Gazette (weekly) 1833 - 1844 > > Merthyr Express (weekly) 1924 - 1953 > > Mountain Ash Post (weekly) 31st August 1912 - June 1920 > > Porthcawl Guardian (weekly) 1933 - 1965 > > Porthcawl News (weekly) 1910 - 1925 > > Rhondda Chronicle (weekly) November 1884 - June 1898 > > Gareth > > Gareth, basically there are only two newspapers - The South Wales |Evening Post and the Western Mail that would have been likely to have reported on this death/inquest. The best bet would be the Evening Post as the Western Mail doesn't have a great following in the Swansea area - additionally, the death appears to have happened in 1970! -- Cheers Peter Neath

Hello Mary Beth I'm sure there's somebody out there that could do the lookup in a local newspaper for you. In Bridgend they have the following newspapers. Newspapers on Microfilm at Bridgend Reference Library Barry Advertiser and Cinema Review (weekly) 1927 - 1933 Brecon County Times (weekly) - Various dates between 1866 - 1933 (Please Check with Library) Bridgend Chronicle (weekly) 1857 - 1868 The Cambrian and General Weekly Advertiser for the Principality of Wales (weekly) 1804 - 1930 Cardiff and Merthyr Guardian (weekly) 1845 - 17th Jan 1874 Central Glamorgan Gazette (weekly) 29th June 1866 - 30th March 1894 The Chronicle for South & Mid Glamorgan (weekly) Various dates between 1895 - 1909 (Please Check with Library) Glamorgan Free Press and Pontypridd & Rhondda Chronicle (weekly) 1910 - 1943 Glamorgan Gazette (weekly) 6th April 1894 - PRESENT (continued from Central Glamorgan Gazette) Glamorgan, Monmouth & Brecon Gazette (weekly) 1833 - 1844 Merthyr Express (weekly) 1924 - 1953 Mountain Ash Post (weekly) 31st August 1912 - June 1920 Porthcawl Guardian (weekly) 1933 - 1965 Porthcawl News (weekly) 1910 - 1925 Rhondda Chronicle (weekly) November 1884 - June 1898 Gareth --- On Fri, 17/6/11, Mary Beth Adams <emba5555@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello List, Would someone be able to do me a tremendous favor if they are going to the library sometime in the near future? I have a Daniel Morgan Thomas [his first name could be David; there's a bit of confusion about that] who died on 27 March 1970 at Morriston Hospital. There was an inquest held on the 1st & 9th of April 1970. I am curious as to why there was an inquest when he died in the hospital and thought there may be something in the newspapers about it. If there is a death notice a transcription of it would also be greatly appreciated as I am not sure if I have the right person. The death certificate gives me no personal information to be sure he is the Daniel (David) Morgan Thomas I need. Regards, Mary Beth Adams West Virginia, US