Greetings to all,and especially to old Phil T.C.M;and welcome back too like innit. May I draw readers attention to a marvelous website I went on quite recently myself in order to Translate English in to Welsh. In fact the same website will also do other langwidges too. I had to do this for myself quite recently,As I have done a re-launching for "A Canton History Group". The first attempt I set up a few years ago fritted out of sight,as no-one wanted to get involved. The People who were turning up at our meetings expected to be shown stuff by me,and didn't want to do any researching themselves,They just wanted to sit back and see what I had to offer. A Bit like going to the Pictures. I was the Projectionist,The Lollipop Lady,and the ticket snapper all in one. So I have decided to Re-Launch it. Any one interested,who possibly also happens to live close by? Well,Please get in touch. [BTW;Ive already got a meeting venue sorted.] ] Don't ask me to write in to the Echo,as that's been done by me several times in the past,to no avail. I tried leaflets in local shops too. The latest leaflet I had done and pinned up in Canton Library this morning HAD to be Bilingual by law. That's how P.C;we have become nowadays. They didn't however ask me to do a version in the other many Langwidges that are uttered all over Cardiff these days like Mandarin Chinese,Japanese,Turkish,Romanian,Urdu,and many other langwidges. If I don't get any response this time,Then I think I WILL Take up Knitting? Cheers[?]Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.

My thanks from Josephione for the Welsh interpretaion of my first name. I did wonder however Josephine,How come you live on the "Glamorgan Canal?" As I thought that shut in 1949? The Cardiff end of it did as I seem to recall? Cheers Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.

Graham - can't you remeber the guy at Newport? Newport Newport Newport, this is Newport Newport Newport, Newport Newport Newport, this is Newport Newport Newport, Newport Newport Newport, this is Newport Newport Newport,....................................... I was back home last week, and actually caught a train for the first for in over 20 years (except for one from DC to Baltimore last year - travel agent's mistake), upto London and back to Newport, but he must now be working for GWR upstairs. Terry ---- robert williams <canton_cardiff_wales@yahoo.com> wrote: > > From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. > Glamorgan F.H.S;#551. > > > --- On Sun, 19/6/11, robert williams <robert.williams94@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: robert williams <robert.williams94@gmail.com> > > Subject: Fwd: Welsh Accents. > > To: "robert williams" <canton_cardiff_wales@yahoo.com> > > Date: Sunday, 19 June, 2011, 17:11 > > ---------- Forwarded message > > ---------- > > From: robert williams <robert.williams94@gmail.com> > > Date: Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:39 PM > > Subject: Welsh Accents. > > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > > > > > > Here in Cardiff us natives have an accent different > > from the rest of Wales. > > We are known throughout the Principality by our > > Accent. > > You could deposit me anywhere in Wales,and once you heard > > my Lingo,you > > would utter..... > > "Ah yes,He's from Cardiff." > > We sound our  "A's" & "R's"rather long! > > As in Kaarrdiff Aarrm's Paarrk! > > > > The fellow that used to bring a smile to my face however > > was the > > "Station Announcer"at > > Carmarthen Railway Station in the 1970's. > > He would go on and on about the Delights on offer in > > Mrs;JONES's Cafe > > on platform one,just after he had told the whole world for > > miles > > around on his tannoy,turned up full that is, of ALL The > > Stations from > > Carmarthen to Timbucktoo. > > Nothing wrong in that you may think? > > The Trouble was though,He would be announcing all of that > > when the > > people on that only Train,long after said Train had left > > the Station! > > So as he was in the back room of the Station Building,He > > didn't know > > of course that everyone had > > disappeared! > > Funny it was like innit! > > Ther best though was the Learner Announcer who was doing > > his Training > > stint in Cardiff General Station. > > He was given a script to read,and announced...... > > > > "The Train now arriving at platform one will call at > > Newport,Swindon,Reading and London Paddington. > > First Class accomodation at the front of the Train, > > Second Class on the Arse End." > > > > A slight pause was heared,followed by > > "Whoops!" > > Graham.[Worked for B.R;1962-1981.] > > > > -- > > From:- Graham Williams.of > >           Canton,Cardiff. > >           Glam;FHS;#551. > >           "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going > > Backwards." > > > > > > > > -- > > From:- Graham Williams.of > >           Canton,Cardiff. > >           Glam;FHS;#551. > >           "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going > > Backwards." > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers I too quite like it when things go off topic a bit, I love popty ping! If the topic doesn't interest me then I just delete! Regards Zane from down under

Hi Jeff and list ... can I just say as an Aussie on this list I'm not really too perturbed if the list goes off on a tangent like this - I just skim and delete. It's a fabulous list and is pretty much on-topic for most of the time anyway. I think on a list like this friendships are formed and when that happens sometimes casual discussions happen - and that's a good thing to have friendships formed. Jeff ... you do a fabulous job. Cheers from Downunder, Keryn. -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Coleman Sent: Monday, 20 June 2011 7:11 AM To: robert williams; List Subject: [GLA] Welsh Accents and other things from List Admin Dear list members Maybe recent conversations have got a bit out of hand. Please bear in mind that the membership of the list is quite broad and diverse, with some in USA, Australia and England with little or no knowledge of modern Wales or Welsh humour, simply researching ancestors who lived in Glamorgan several generations ago. Those of us who are local may appreciate things that mean nothing to those further away, or even seem offensive. So please can we wind down humorous discussions a bit? Genuine stories about sheep etc. illustrating the realities of life in the Glamorgan valleys will remain welcome. Detailed discussion of DNA testing and what it can and cannot show has also had a good run. I suggest that for the moment the only posts on that subject should be about informative non-commercial web pages. Welcome back Phil and Josephine, by the way. Both of you have a lot of valuable local knowledge, we know, and Josephine's web site is worth a look at. Mainly for the benefit of new list members, may I suggest that subject lines mentioning surnames being researched, and perhaps place names, will be helpful. All message to the list should be in 'Plain Text' which is available on all email systemas as far as I know. No pictures or coloured text or backgrounds, or animated pictures, can be sent to the list. The maximum size for any one message is 16kb. If you want to send a message to the list which includes information that you copy and paste in, please make sure that after pasting in you make sure that the email is reverted to Plain Text. Jeff list admin -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Phil, While the Hennessys did record 'Proud to be a Citizen of Cardiff', Dave Burns did not write it. I did. And, as I have told my friend Dan O'Neill more than once, it is a satire on people like him and other "little Cardiffians" who are happy to live in the capital of Wales, but regard the language as in some way a threat to them. Gareth Jones (one of several thousand Welsh-speaking residents of Canton) > <7b707.32582269.3b2faa0c@aol.com>-------- > > I saw all the fun and games on LLANDAFF and Welsh names, I really thought > you were going to do a Dan O'Neil and quote The Hennesey's song "PROUD TO > BE A CITIZEN OF KAIRDIFF" written by Davy Burns. > But it's a bit un P.C. for a list like this. > > Regards Phil T.C.M. > . > >

At 22:46 19/06/2011, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >The Glamorgan List was the first rootsweb list, which I joined, and that >was back in 1998. Oh yes !! More nostalgia - those were the days when Rootsweb was privately run from a shack in the woods miles away from anywhere up a mountain in California - or something like that !! The sponsors rather than being a multi-million $ company were the listowners. In fairness, Ancestry have allowed us to keep our perk as an original sponsor, the PML feature which means for me that any reference on any of the 30,000+ lists to my family name Wedmore will be sent to me - ooops - another one will come now <grin>. Geoff Geoffrey T. Stone, FSG Braintree, Essex, UK One-Name Study of WEDMORE - worldwide. http://www.wedmore.org.uk

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 22:10:46 +0100, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Welcome back Phil and Josephine, by the way. Both of you have a lot of > valuable local knowledge, we know, and Josephine's web site is worth a > look at. Thank you for the welcome back, Jeff. The Glamorgan List was the first rootsweb list, which I joined, and that was back in 1998. I always feel like I'm coming 'home' when I pop back for a while :-) Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 20:37:48 +0100, <PRode18115@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Jo > Ah yes I remember it well, it was about my wife's cousin's dad who got > caught in the act of butchering a sheep (yes I did say butchering) He > went to prison for this. His daughter my wife's cousin was always told > to be proud of her dad cos he was doing it to help the number of people > out of work in the 20s. > Mutton Tump was actually in Abertridwr it's south of the Windsor. Hi Phil, You're right, of course:-) I should have remembered that Mutton Tump was in Abertridwr, especially as I passed it twice a day almost every day for 17 years on my way through Abertridwr and Senghenydd and over the mountain to Nelson and back again. We made that journey again last month and it seemed incredible that it is almost 22 years since we last came over the mountain from Nelson. Every curve in the mountain road was as familiar as if we'd passed that way only yesterday. And the view on top of the mountain was splendid as we could see right up to the Brecon Beacons that day. We also remembered the days of our youth when the pits were working and on cold winters' days we could see columns of warm moist air rising from the pits. Jo -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Dear list members Maybe recent conversations have got a bit out of hand. Please bear in mind that the membership of the list is quite broad and diverse, with some in USA, Australia and England with little or no knowledge of modern Wales or Welsh humour, simply researching ancestors who lived in Glamorgan several generations ago. Those of us who are local may appreciate things that mean nothing to those further away, or even seem offensive. So please can we wind down humorous discussions a bit? Genuine stories about sheep etc. illustrating the realities of life in the Glamorgan valleys will remain welcome. Detailed discussion of DNA testing and what it can and cannot show has also had a good run. I suggest that for the moment the only posts on that subject should be about informative non-commercial web pages. Welcome back Phil and Josephine, by the way. Both of you have a lot of valuable local knowledge, we know, and Josephine's web site is worth a look at. Mainly for the benefit of new list members, may I suggest that subject lines mentioning surnames being researched, and perhaps place names, will be helpful. All message to the list should be in 'Plain Text' which is available on all email systemas as far as I know. No pictures or coloured text or backgrounds, or animated pictures, can be sent to the list. The maximum size for any one message is 16kb. If you want to send a message to the list which includes information that you copy and paste in, please make sure that after pasting in you make sure that the email is reverted to Plain Text. Jeff list admin

What is the Welsh for 'Dravidification'? ;-) Robert -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PRode18115@aol.com A whole Weeks newspapers quite recently have been inundated by the "LLANDAF versus "LLANDAFF"mob. This was after the Llandaff Local History Group had the audacity to name their neck of the woods as LLANDAFF. Whch brought out the baying mob of Welsh Langwidge Society out of their holes baying for blood,and citing long lost generations of welsh speaking tribes who lived in that area thousands of years ago. My area is now known as Treganna. Its always been "Canton" to me chaps.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 16:56:39 +0100, robert williams <canton_cardiff_wales@yahoo.com> wrote: > As my first name is Robert,and the nearest Welshfied Handle to that > christian name I can drum up is Rhobat. > Unless others can enlighten me that is? Hi Graham, D. Geraint Lewis in 'Welsh Names', published in 2001 by Geddes and Grosset, gives Robat, without the h, as the Welsh for Robert. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. Glamorgan F.H.S;#551. --- On Sun, 19/6/11, robert williams <robert.williams94@gmail.com> wrote: > From: robert williams <robert.williams94@gmail.com> > Subject: Fwd: Welsh Accents. > To: "robert williams" <canton_cardiff_wales@yahoo.com> > Date: Sunday, 19 June, 2011, 17:11 > ---------- Forwarded message > ---------- > From: robert williams <robert.williams94@gmail.com> > Date: Thu, May 26, 2011 at 2:39 PM > Subject: Welsh Accents. > To: dyfed@rootsweb.com > > > Here in Cardiff us natives have an accent different > from the rest of Wales. > We are known throughout the Principality by our > Accent. > You could deposit me anywhere in Wales,and once you heard > my Lingo,you > would utter..... > "Ah yes,He's from Cardiff." > We sound our  "A's" & "R's"rather long! > As in Kaarrdiff Aarrm's Paarrk! > > The fellow that used to bring a smile to my face however > was the > "Station Announcer"at > Carmarthen Railway Station in the 1970's. > He would go on and on about the Delights on offer in > Mrs;JONES's Cafe > on platform one,just after he had told the whole world for > miles > around on his tannoy,turned up full that is, of ALL The > Stations from > Carmarthen to Timbucktoo. > Nothing wrong in that you may think? > The Trouble was though,He would be announcing all of that > when the > people on that only Train,long after said Train had left > the Station! > So as he was in the back room of the Station Building,He > didn't know > of course that everyone had > disappeared! > Funny it was like innit! > Ther best though was the Learner Announcer who was doing > his Training > stint in Cardiff General Station. > He was given a script to read,and announced...... > > "The Train now arriving at platform one will call at > Newport,Swindon,Reading and London Paddington. > First Class accomodation at the front of the Train, > Second Class on the Arse End." > > A slight pause was heared,followed by > "Whoops!" > Graham.[Worked for B.R;1962-1981.] > > -- > From:- Graham Williams.of >           Canton,Cardiff. >           Glam;FHS;#551. >           "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going > Backwards." > > > > -- > From:- Graham Williams.of >           Canton,Cardiff. >           Glam;FHS;#551. >           "Genealogy",Where Progress is made going > Backwards." >

Hi All Wow I didn't think that I would be remembered. But to be honest I have been away from family history far too long. Family life and a passion seem to have got in the way. By family life I mean 6 grandkids aged from 3months to 17years. As Jo pointed out I used to be into Cardiff prostitutes in a big way :-) These days I am more into, De Reszke, Nikolas Sarony, Hignett,, Phillips, Ogdens, Ardath, Gallaher. One or two impossible ones to contend with though in the family history line. My GG Grandmother Sarah Hughes was born in Chicago circa 1856. What really happened to Joseph BURNS my GG Grandfather, he seems to be at sea when my Great grandmother's brother Charles drowned in the Glamorgan Canal by the York Hotel. We have a possible for him in the USA??? BUT THAT'S PIE IN THE SKY. And the last but not least, the hunt for David Davies' birth certificate. He was born in the Nelson area, his father John Davies was a deacon and musical director of Libanus Chapel Quaker's yard. David was born circa 1876. Known to have been in the army pre 1900 and also during WW1. Worked in Oakdale colliery. Loved curry powder on his food, including a Sunday Roast. Hated his step mother and step siblings. My mother says that after his father died he went to collect a gold watch that was always to be his. On arrival at the house was told he must appologise, to which he is known to have said "Hell will freeze over before I appologise to you" So he never got his father's gold watch. One thing to be noted is he was an atheist. Regards Phil T.C.M.

J.C.B;'s around here in The Big City are only known as big dumper Trucks with a Scoop on the front. They come in very handy for removing all manner of obstacles off Roofs. Like unwanted Sheep who may be just happening to pass by and fancy's your New Lawn-ed roof? The New Fancied Angle on Welshness now doing the Rounds in the Newspapers,and on the Goggle boxes is for someone to have a Welsh Handled Moniker. Names Like Ffred JONES springs to mind. Or how about Rhobat ap Daffydd? That could be me perhaps? As my first name is Robert,and the nearest Welshfied Handle to that christian name I can drum up is Rhobat. Unless others can enlighten me that is? And my late father's christian name being David,which goes into Daffydd. There is also silly names that have been dreamt up like "Sili"for "Sully". A whole Weeks newspapers quite recently have been inundated by the "LLANDAF versus "LLANDAFF"mob. This was after the Llandaff Local History Group had the audacity to name their neck of the woods as LLANDAFF. Whch brought out the baying mob of Welsh Langwidge Society out of their holes baying for blood,and citing long lost generations of welsh speaking tribes who lived in that area thousands of years ago. My area is now known as Treganna. Its always been "Canton" to me chaps. Cheers Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.

Hi Charani. Yes,You can print off the N.L.W;"WILL'S". Quite easily actually. I did a whole batch of my BURNELL's & CRADOC[K]'s of Newton Nottage. When you place the movable box over the page,and press the + sign it will enlarge it. Then depending on how many pages the "WILL"runs into? In my case,several pages needed to print off one "WILL"was needed. Some others can be done in just one page. my 6 x great,grandfather Matthew JONE[S]of Oystermouth's Entry ran to just one small part of one page when he died in 1767 aged about 72. If you want to go to the expense of purchasing a "WILL"after seeing it in Black and White for yourself? That is entirely up to you. I prefer however,do do it for free. By doing the above that is. Cheers Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.

Is Owen Welsh enough? donkelly Owen Rutledge ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert williams" <canton_cardiff_wales@yahoo.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 8:56:39 AM Subject: [GLA] J.C.B;? J.C.B;'s around here in The Big City are only known as big dumper Trucks with a Scoop on the front. They come in very handy for removing all manner of obstacles off Roofs. Like unwanted Sheep who may be just happening to pass by and fancy's your New Lawn-ed roof? The New Fancied Angle on Welshness now doing the Rounds in the Newspapers,and on the Goggle boxes is for someone to have a Welsh Handled Moniker. Names Like Ffred JONES springs to mind. Or how about Rhobat ap Daffydd? That could be me perhaps? As my first name is Robert,and the nearest Welshfied Handle to that christian name I can drum up is Rhobat. Unless others can enlighten me that is? And my late father's christian name being David,which goes into Daffydd. There is also silly names that have been dreamt up like "Sili"for "Sully". A whole Weeks newspapers quite recently have been inundated by the "LLANDAF versus "LLANDAFF"mob. This was after the Llandaff Local History Group had the audacity to name their neck of the woods as LLANDAFF. Whch brought out the baying mob of Welsh Langwidge Society out of their holes baying for blood,and citing long lost generations of welsh speaking tribes who lived in that area thousands of years ago. My area is now known as Treganna. Its always been "Canton" to me chaps. Cheers Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. Glamorgan F.H.S;#551. -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 19/06/2011 17:52:23 GMT Daylight Time, glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com writes: A whole Weeks newspapers quite recently have been inundated by the "LLANDAF versus "LLANDAFF"mob. This was after the Llandaff Local History Group had the audacity to name their neck of the woods as LLANDAFF. Whch brought out the baying mob of Welsh Langwidge Society out of their holes baying for blood,and citing long lost generations of welsh speaking tribes who lived in that area thousands of years ago. My area is now known as Treganna. Its always been "Canton" to me chaps. Hi Graham Your still going strong then. I saw all the fun and games on LLANDAFF and Welsh names, I really thought you were going to do a Dan O'Neil and quote The Hennesey's song "PROUD TO BE A CITIZEN OF KAIRDIFF" written by Davy Burns. But it's a bit un P.C. for a list like this. Regards Phil T.C.M. .

In a message dated 19/06/2011 01:54:48 GMT Daylight Time, glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com writes: On the way to Abertridwr, I pointed out Mutton Tump in Senghenydd to Ian. > Do you remember you wrote a message to the Glamorgan List about Mutton > Tump back in 2002? Hi Jo Ah yes I remember it well, it was about my wife's cousin's dad who got caught in the act of butchering a sheep (yes I did say butchering) He went to prison for this. His daughter my wife's cousin was always told to be proud of her dad cos he was doing it to help the number of people out of work in the 20s. Mutton Tump was actually in Abertridwr it's south of the Windsor. Regards Phil T.C.M.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011 14:18:23 +0100, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> wrote: > On the list we have heard several times that births in the former Cardiff > Workhouse premises ( City Lodge, St David's Hospital) were registered at > 30A Cowbridge Road, Cardiff. > Does anyone know what address was used for births at the Pontardawe > workhouse (and successor institutions) in Brecon Road, Pontardawe? > Was it 84 Brecon Road, Pontardawe? Hi Jeff, The following web page about Pontardawe Workhouse confirms that, from 1904, 84 Brecon Road, Pontardawe was used as the address on birth certificates so that children born in the work house wouldn't be at a disadvantage later in life. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Pontardawe/ Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com