Dear Hugh, The boat to Flat Holme goes from Barry, or it did a few years back, and is named 'The Lewis Alexander' after the late local channel pilot of that name [my gran's cousiin]. Best wishes, WENDY

In a message dated 22/06/2011 14:00:12 GMT Daylight Time, glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com writes: >From my main database Lewis Reynolds born 1814 was pilot onboard the CSP Lewis reynolds 1837 was onboard the Pioneer Lewis Reynolds 1841 was onboard the CSP, ITA and Phoenix William Phillips was Pilot on the Black Swan pilot boat of Neath Hi Bryan Thankyou for a piece of magic. You wouldn't happen to have anything on a boat called RHYDDRECH DDU or something like that. Regards Phil TCM

In a message dated 22/06/2011 07:23:15 GMT Daylight Time, glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com writes: William GOODLAND, an ancestor of mine, was included in a list of Pill pilots from 1823 in a message on the Bristol_and_Somerset list on Wednesday 22nd. June 2005: Hi Jo Not come across this guy before but 1823 is early but well worth a look into. Thanks Jo. Regards Phil

In a message dated 22/06/2011 10:52:11 GMT Daylight Time, richard.gwynn@openreach.co.uk writes: I have noticed other Phillips pilots in the same area who are possibly related, but I've not looked into that yet. There are also some Williams pilots who have cropped up on the same census pages. I don't have any specific information regarding their licenses or vessels. Hi Richard More than interested, what started out in a delve into my families pilot lives became a lifetime quest. Got a lot of Phillips in Cardiff as pilots one in Gloucester and two Neath and Llanelli. At a guess I would say all related. Regards Phil TCM

Hi Darris Are marriages which took place in Registry Offices included in this collection? Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darris Williams" <WilliamsDa@familysearch.org> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:07 PM Subject: [GLA] Glamorgan Marriages 1837-1925 I am a little disappointed that the collection description does not provide clarity on what is included in the collection and what is not there. Based on an examination of the material a few months ago it appears that only records from the Glamorgan Record office in Cardiff were included. I am not sure all of those for the 1837-1925 time period are included..... In the next few days I will see if I can find that list of included parishes and date ranges so it can be added to https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Wales_Glamorgan_Marriages_%28FamilySearch_Historical_Records%29 for research re! > ference. I think we should know what was searched by using a database like > this so a coverage table of some sort is essential. > > Darris G. Williams

Graham Boatman probably meant a dock boatman rather than on the canals. There were lots of dock boatmen, some of whom described themselves as pilots on occasions, though they were, at best, dock pilots, not channel pilots. Bob

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 21:24:39 +0100, Gareth Morgan <morgangareth36@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Josephine > The first message had all you needed but its nice to have an alternative. Hi Gareth, Yes it is. This is the one I use for UK Public Libraries on the web: http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/square/ac940/weblibs.html Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hi Phil & Bryan Just to let you know that I am still around too and still interested in the pilots, having several in my extended family, but you both know who they were. Bob Sanders

Am looking for information on Catherine Jones, born around 1797 in Abervon, glamorgan. She married David Morris who was a mariner? They had two daughters at least, margaret and Alice. Margaret married my 2nd ggrandfather, John F. Jordan and they immigrated to America aroun 1879 or so. In the censuses she had several of her grandchildren, David and Elizabeth Jordan staying with her. Am looking for her parents, any help appreciated, also looking for David Morris and where he came from and where he was from.

Hello Josephine The first message had all you needed but its nice to have an alternative. I just wish the Glamorgan Record Office were as good to internet users as most of the libraries in Wales are, just a basic front that has less information on it than it did 5 years ago. Their excuse is that CYMAL sponsor the libraries, yet CYMAL fund access to the Find My Past Community Edition for public libraries, LOCAL ARCHIVE SERVICES, local authority museums, registered independent museums, the National Library of Wales and National Museum Wales. CYMAL also supervises Archives Network Wales who has the online catalogue of the majority of the various archive repositories in Wales. Shortened version if you want to search the Glam RO you have to go to Archives Network Wales site. CYMAL is the Museums Archives and Libraries Wales, which provides advice and support to local museums, archives and libraries in Wales. In other words the Assembly's crative funding and advisory body. Gareth

On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:57:40 +0100, Gareth Morgan <morgangareth36@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Josephine/List > > That site is for those living in Merthyr. Hi Gareth, Not necessarily. If I wanted to look at a local history book about an area not in my own locality, I'd first look in the library catalogue of that area to see if a copy was was available and whether it was for reference or loan. If I found there was a copy for reference only, I might take a trip to that library to have a look at the book, even if it was a long way away. As I have written a number of local history books, I've actually done trips like that. Once I had to travel to a Welsh library to check on *one* word in a book, which I knew was in that library. My long-suffering spouse drove me there, and when, on the way back, we saw a copy of the same book in an antiquarian book shop, for £75, he said I had to buy that copy as he wasn't going to spend hours travelling to the library again if anything else needed to be checked. > Another site that would give information as to what is held in which > library and information to other library in Wales, would be Library > Wales site. > http://library.wales.org/ Thank you for the link. I've looked there, and, as I suspected, not many libraries, besides Merthyr Tydfil, have copies of Merthyr Boat Boy: An Evidential Account. It looks like Bridgend has six copies and Cardiff has one. I am not surprised at this because it is nearly 20 years ago that the book was published by the Education Department of Mid Glamorgan County Council. I didn't even know, until today, that there are copies in libraries or that Merthyr Tydfil Public Libraries has copies for sale. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Photo of: Tabor Chapel, Maesycwmmer, MON Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels collection' is: The 19th century Tabor Welsh Congregational Chapel (now United Reformed Church), Tabor Road, Maesycwmmer, in the old county of Monmouthshire. The photograph was kindly supplied by Steve Vesey. Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/ and scroll down the index to the Maesycwmmer link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society: www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsblfhs/

the 1841 is available, only the Dowlais area, I believe is lost. I found all of my Merthyr family in the 1841. Not so easy when you don't know just where they were. I got one William Lewis born 1828 + or - 5 and he was living in Brecon as an ag lab in the home of David Price Name: William Lewis Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Breconshire, Wales Civil parish: Trallong Hundred: Merthyr County/Island: Breconshire Country: Wales Street Address: Park Occupation: ag lab Registration district: Brecknock Sub-registration district: Devynnock Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1368 Book: 14 Folio: 6 Page Number: 5 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Dianne <plaizier3@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dianne > To: glam > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:38 PM > Subject: re B his son my grandfather > > > Hi there can anyone lister steer me in the right direction as to where I may find some information on my gggrandparents DAVID LEWIS his son my grandfather (WILLIAM LEWIS)  was 25 at time of marriage in 1853 you see I don't have a birth year for him   (David) or MARY LEWIS >  William b1828 and Wife Hannah( Davies ) b 1829/30 were suppose to be born Merthyr Tydfil which puts the 1841 census as not being available > I know Imp like a dog with a bone but I would just like to find something about them > other gggrandparents were JOHN DAVIES and ELIZABETH DAVIES possibly VAUGHAN ??. > Have a 1841 census for Dowlais not sure if correct could anyone help in checking this census > much appreciated > > Dianne > Aussie > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bryan, Thanks for this list, supplies a few more details for my family who were Pilots on the Neath River. Is your database online? with this pilot information now? Kind Regards Paul Williams On 22 June 2011 05:19, Bryan Richards <bryanrichards@btinternet.com> wrote: > >From my main database > Lewis Reynolds born 1814 was pilot onboard the CSP > Lewis reynolds 1837 was onboard the Pioneer > Lewis Reynolds 1841 was onboard the CSP, ITA and Phoenix > William Phillips was Pilot on the Black Swan pilot boat of Neath > > >From my database Pilots taken from trade directories > REYNOLDS Lewis Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.14 Trade > Directory 1852 > also > PHILLIPS George Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.20 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > PHILLIPS John Pilot 16 Railway Terrace Briton Ferry Glamorganshire - > JWright-1899/90 > PHILLIPS John Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.17 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > PHILLIPS Thomas Pilot 20 George Street Llanelly Carmarthenshire - > JamesDavies&Co-1897 > PHILLIPS William Pilot - - - Neath Neath Harbour 1915/20 > PHILLIPS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.10 Trade > Directory 1852 > PHILLIPS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.28 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > PHILLIPS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.13 Trade > Directory 1852 > Also > WILLIAM Griffith Pilot - - - Neath Neath Harbour 1920 > WILLIAM Griffith Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed NeathNo.22 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAM Williams Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed NeathNo.27 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS Charles Pilot 199 Neath Road Briton Ferry Glamorganshire - > PercyButcher&Co-1873/4 > WILLIAMS Charles Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed NeathNo.19 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS Charles Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.26 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > WILLIAMS Charles Pilot 3 Bute Esplanade Cardiff Glamorganshire - Cardiff > CL-1877 > WILLIAMS Charles Pilot 13 Stuart Square Cardiff Glamorganshire - Cardiff > CL-1873 > WILLIAMS Daniel Pilot - - - Neath Neath Harbour 1915/20 > WILLIAMS Daniel Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.15 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS David Pilot - - - Neath Neath Harbour 1920 > WILLIAMS David Pilot Millicent Street Cardiff Glamorganshire Mary Pilot > Boat > No.3 Cardiff CL-1868 > WILLIAMS David Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.23 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > WILLIAMS Elijah Pilot 44 Lower Oxford Street Swansea Glamorganshire > Licensed > Swansea No.1. JWright-1899/90 > WILLIAMS Evan Pilot - Penarth Glamorgranshire - Cardiff CL-1867 > WILLIAMS Griffith Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.15 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > WILLIAMS James Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.18 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > WILLIAMS John Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.20 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS John Pilot - - - Licensed Llanelly JamesDavies&Co-1897 > WILLIAMS Lewis Pilot 7 Ritson Street Briton Ferry Glamorganshire - > JWright-1899/90 > WILLIAMS Lewis Pilot 9 Ritson Street Briton Ferry Glamorganshire - > JWright-1899/90 > WILLIAMS Lewis Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.23 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS Lewis (1st) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.10 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > WILLIAMS Lewis (2nd) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.19 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > WILLIAMS Leyson Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.24 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS Thomas Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.18 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS Thomas (1st) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.6 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > WILLIAMS Thomas (2nd) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.14 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > WILLIAMS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.16 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.17 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.21 Trade > Directory 1852 > WILLIAMS William Pilot - - - Licensed Llanelly JamesDavies&Co-1897 > WILLIAMS William (1st) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.7 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 > WILLIAMS William (2nd) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.8 > PercyButcher&Co-1873/ > > Regards > Bryan > www.swanseamariners.org.uk > > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again Phil. When my great,great,grandfather died on the 6th;of june 1908, His entry in the Cathays Cemetary Burial register at Thornhill Cremetorium stated he was a "Ship's Pilot",Although I have no other knowledge of him being so? He was Llewellyn Humphreys BOWEN,born 30th;of November 1857, at 74 Bute Street Cardiff Docks. His father John BOWEN jr;[1830-1892]was many things in Cardiff Docks. Like a "Gridiron Master".A "Berthing Master", "Deputy Dockmaster,"and "Bute Dock Gateman". When John Died on the 2nd;of January 1892, he was listed as a "Pier Head Master" of Pier Head Buildings. Although that Building which still stands today,wasn't built until 1897. Llewellyn was also listed as a "Boatman"in one of the Census Returns,so he could have been that on the "Glamorgan Canal"Perhaps? Llewellyn's Brother-in-law was James Arthur CLARE,[1857-1930]who was listed as a Pilot,as was his son of the same name. The "Arthur"Part of his name came from his Mum,who was an ARTHUR. James sr;played Rugby for Wales,and had just the one "Cap"in 1882. Strange that,as he was born in London. Cheers Graham. From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. Glamorgan F.H.S;#551.

Hello Josephine/List That site is for those living in Merthyr. Another site that would give information as to what is held in which library and information to other library in Wales, would be Library Wales site. From where you can search all libraries in Wales. I link from there to the National to search the pre 1900 newspapers. Gareth http://library.wales.org/

Hi Alan The transcription has come across a bit strangely...  I think it is something along the lines of Presented (to) W. Morgan (?ysw) of [name of dwelling - possibly Ty Mawr? [big house]] Llanwenarth received a prize of a guinea. Reverse Harpist on the triple harp. Ribbon above Welsh Speaking men of Abergavenny  [this was a famous Welsh cultural society - Cymdeithas Cymreigyddion y Fenni] Ribbon below October 1837 There is a picture of a triple harp on this page with Nansi Richards, who I saw playing her harp in the Newtown National Eisteddfod many moons ago. http://www.clera.org/saesneg/harp.php Jen   ________________________________ From: "ALUN883@aol.com" <ALUN883@aol.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 22 June, 2011 13:04:15 Subject: [GLA] Translation please Would any kind "lister" translate the following for me please.  Aurheg  W.Morgan Ysw. o Dy=Mawr Llanwenarth yn nghyda Gwobr o Gini", the reverse  "TELYNOR ary Delyn dair=rhes" with a ribbon above "CYMREIGYDDION Y FENNI" and  below "HYDREF 1837". Thankyou. Alun. -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Alun That was a lot of money in 1837. Below is what google made of your message. In brackets are Aurheg which should be presented or prize as for Cymreigyddion like the news in welsh is newyddion meaning all news, so I would think it would mean everthing welsh in english. http://translate.google.co.uk/ Would unrhyw kind "Lister" translate yr isod for me please. gift (prize) W. Morgan, Esq. = Llanwenarth in Big House with a prize of Guinea ", the reverse "Harp Harpist ary three = row" with a Ribbon above "Cymreigyddion (Abergavenny Welsh) ABERGAVENNY" and below "OCTOBER 1837". Thankyou. Alun. 'Cymdeithas Cymreigyddion y Fenni' (The Abergavenny Cymreigyddion Society) was an influential Welsh cultural society. It was formed in 1833 by a number of patriots. The Society did much to promote Welsh culture in the area between 1833 and 1854. As part of the Society's activities a series of ten eisteddfodau were held. Gareth Would any kind "lister" translate the following for me please. Aurheg W.Morgan Ysw. o Dy=Mawr Llanwenarth yn nghyda Gwobr o Gini", the reverse "TELYNOR ary Delyn dair=rhes" with a ribbon above "CYMREIGYDDION Y FENNI" and below "HYDREF 1837". Thankyou. Alun.

>From my main database Lewis Reynolds born 1814 was pilot onboard the CSP Lewis reynolds 1837 was onboard the Pioneer Lewis Reynolds 1841 was onboard the CSP, ITA and Phoenix William Phillips was Pilot on the Black Swan pilot boat of Neath >From my database Pilots taken from trade directories REYNOLDS Lewis Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.14 Trade Directory 1852 also PHILLIPS George Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.20 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 PHILLIPS John Pilot 16 Railway Terrace Briton Ferry Glamorganshire - JWright-1899/90 PHILLIPS John Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.17 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 PHILLIPS Thomas Pilot 20 George Street Llanelly Carmarthenshire - JamesDavies&Co-1897 PHILLIPS William Pilot - - - Neath Neath Harbour 1915/20 PHILLIPS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.10 Trade Directory 1852 PHILLIPS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.28 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 PHILLIPS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.13 Trade Directory 1852 Also WILLIAM Griffith Pilot - - - Neath Neath Harbour 1920 WILLIAM Griffith Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed NeathNo.22 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAM Williams Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed NeathNo.27 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS Charles Pilot 199 Neath Road Briton Ferry Glamorganshire - PercyButcher&Co-1873/4 WILLIAMS Charles Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed NeathNo.19 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS Charles Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.26 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 WILLIAMS Charles Pilot 3 Bute Esplanade Cardiff Glamorganshire - Cardiff CL-1877 WILLIAMS Charles Pilot 13 Stuart Square Cardiff Glamorganshire - Cardiff CL-1873 WILLIAMS Daniel Pilot - - - Neath Neath Harbour 1915/20 WILLIAMS Daniel Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.15 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS David Pilot - - - Neath Neath Harbour 1920 WILLIAMS David Pilot Millicent Street Cardiff Glamorganshire Mary Pilot Boat No.3 Cardiff CL-1868 WILLIAMS David Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.23 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 WILLIAMS Elijah Pilot 44 Lower Oxford Street Swansea Glamorganshire Licensed Swansea No.1. JWright-1899/90 WILLIAMS Evan Pilot - Penarth Glamorgranshire - Cardiff CL-1867 WILLIAMS Griffith Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.15 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 WILLIAMS James Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.18 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 WILLIAMS John Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.20 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS John Pilot - - - Licensed Llanelly JamesDavies&Co-1897 WILLIAMS Lewis Pilot 7 Ritson Street Briton Ferry Glamorganshire - JWright-1899/90 WILLIAMS Lewis Pilot 9 Ritson Street Briton Ferry Glamorganshire - JWright-1899/90 WILLIAMS Lewis Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.23 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS Lewis (1st) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.10 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 WILLIAMS Lewis (2nd) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.19 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 WILLIAMS Leyson Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.24 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS Thomas Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.18 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS Thomas (1st) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.6 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 WILLIAMS Thomas (2nd) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.14 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 WILLIAMS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.16 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.17 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS William Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.21 Trade Directory 1852 WILLIAMS William Pilot - - - Licensed Llanelly JamesDavies&Co-1897 WILLIAMS William (1st) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.7 PercyButcher&Co-1873/74 WILLIAMS William (2nd) Pilot - Neath Glamorganshire Licensed Neath No.8 PercyButcher&Co-1873/ Regards Bryan www.swanseamariners.org.uk

I enjoy reading all contributions on Glamorgan list my husband being born and bred in Caerau. He was schooled at the time when Welsh was only offered half an hour a week, and most of his mates didn't speak Welsh. His grandparents were immigrants, and in some cases neighbours who considered themselves "Welsh" gave her the impression that the family were inferior because they were non Welsh speaking. In my research with his families genealogy, it didn't take long to scratch the surface to see that "family" who he considered "true blue" Welsh were immigrants going back only two generations. In our visits to Wales we have come across most welcoming and friendly people, and enjoy it very much, but on a visit to St David's this memory sticks in my mind. We were watching stone masons repairing fences around the site, my husband being in the building trade, watched for sometime, and asked some questions relating to their work, which we found so interesting, and asked did they have to be registered to carry out this type of work on historical buildings. The reply from one of the workers, that you had to be born in Wales, my husband mentioned that he was born in Wales, and made a light remark something about being eligible, with a little bit more chat, the worker said that if you couldn't speak Welsh you weren't Welsh. The language in this case was "exclusive" not "inclusive". My husband's Welsh heart was hurt, I certainly felt for him. Helen, Tasmania