Hi Listers, Here's a book about about the Bristol Channel, which may be of interest to Glam Listers as, in its 15 chapters, there are chapters on The Vale of Glamorgan, Swansea Bay and Gower. (Four other chapters are also about the Welsh side of the Bristol Channel.) The Bristol Channel by Brian Waters was published in 1955 by J.M. Dent & Sons Ltd. The book has endpapers with a map of the Bristol Channel showing Carmarthen, Glamorgan and Gwent on the Welsh side and Gloucestershire, Somerset and Devon on the English side. There are 15 illustrations plus frontispiece. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:38:05 +0100, <PRode18115@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Jo > Yes I did have the GOODLAND pilots, I had completely forgotten John > Rich's book. Hi Phil and Listers, Here's another book about Bristol Channel Pilots: The Sailing Pilots of the Bristol Channel by Peter J. Stuckey, first published in 1977 by David & Charles with a revised and enlarged edition first published in 1999 by Redcliffe Press. I expect most of the Glam List members, researching Bristol Channel pilots know about this one, but others might not have heard of it. Jo -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Hello Gareth This strikes a cord in the area where I live. Only instead of dwindling flocks those leaving the rural areas would be coming to the industrial towns as well as emigrating to America. The established church were forever complaining about the lack of an adequate place to worship in the town and being overworked through the lack of personnel. With the industrial revolution in full swing. Many a local tavern was used to hold the dissenting meetings before the building of their new chapel. With baptisms being performed in the local river, sometimes a baptismal pool would be built in a nearby stream. Gareth --- On Thu, 23/6/11, Gareth <tirbach@clara.co.uk> wrote: * Llanddeilionen Parish Church "Afternoon service is performed in a club room at the mountain end of the parish"

Another couple of snippets from the Genuki 1851 Religious census extraction project - these from Llanddeiniolen parish now half way through CAE. They are typical of the 'social commentary' to be found in this return. * Ebenezer Chapel, Independents "NB. Many of our Attendants who used to attend our Chapel being ill at home and Great many are gone & going to America during the last and present twelve months" * Llanddeilionen Parish Church "Afternoon service is performed in a club room at the mountain end of the parish" "I would beg to observe that the Parish Church of Llanddeiniolen is within 3/4 of a mile of the lower boundary of the Parish, and is well placed as regard the old agricultural population. But the bulk of the present population, which has, during the last forty years, been drawn together by the working of Mr Assheton Smith's slate quarries, lies at a distance from the Church of from 3 to 5 miles. There are in the parish 13 dissenting Meeting Houses." Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

Hi Phil In the 1841 census, "my" William Phillips was in Giants Grave, Briton Ferry, aged 30 with children William, Ann, Elizabeth and John and a servant Margaret Edwards. In 1851 these have been joined by a wife Margaret, Catherine, Margaret junior (my great grandmother) and Phillip. As Margaret junior's mother had the maiden name Edwards, she is probably the servant of 1841 and William's second wife. In 1861, William's son John is described as Pilot Prentice (sic). I've not yet investigated this branch any further. On the same census page of 1841 as William Phillips, are the following other pilots: Charles Williams (25), William Williams (85), William Williams (35), Lewis Williams (40). On the same census page of 1841 as "my" Lewis Reynolds senior who is described as a hobbler, are the following other pilots: William Phillips (35) Thomas Emmanuel (25) On the same census page of 1861 as "my" Lewis Reynolds senior (spelt as Reynallt) now described as a pilot, is the following other pilot: John Evans (45), living next door. Regards Richard Gwynn Swansea Glam FHS 8154 ________________________________ From: PRode18115@aol.com [mailto:PRode18115@aol.com] Sent: 23 June 2011 09:32 To: Gwynn,RJ,Richard,BVC454 R; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Bristol Chnnel pilots (Cardiff) In a message dated 22/06/2011 10:52:11 GMT Daylight Time, richard.gwynn@openreach.co.uk writes: I have noticed other Phillips pilots in the same area who are possibly related, but I've not looked into that yet. There are also some Williams pilots who have cropped up on the same census pages. I don't have any specific information regarding their licenses or vessels. Hi Richard More than interested, what started out in a delve into my families pilot lives became a lifetime quest. Got a lot of Phillips in Cardiff as pilots one in Gloucester and two Neath and Llanelli. At a guess I would say all related. Regards Phil TCM

Hi I seem to have deleted a few emails by mistake but do remember that one I read concerned a Cardiff pilot Lewis Jones of Cardiff and his cutter L.J.J. Can't remember who sent it but here is some info that you may or may not have. A while back I started to go through the crew lists that exist for Cardiff pilot cutters. I have one for L.J.J dated 1881 Jul to Dec. On board are LEWIS JONES Pilot born 1843 staes last boat as Lizzy. Also John JONES apprentice aged 27 indentures signed 15th March 1880 Also George William DAVIES apprentice aged 17 indentures signed 21st July 1881 There is a boat called L.J.J. in the shipping registers for Cardiff. It seems that this must be the second of that name as the register is for 1884 L.J.J. number 89186 built 1884 by DAVIES and PLAIN registered 1884 first owner LEWIS JONES. Sold to a Belgian citizen in 1919. Regards Phil T.C.M. Now off for a very long night shift sob sob.

Hi Jo Yes I did have the GOODLAND pilots, I had completely forgotten John Rich's book. . Regards Phil TCM

In a message dated 23/06/2011 11:50:21 GMT Daylight Time, glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com writes: Roderick Dhu, Official No.14183, Port of Swansea No.13/1845 Port of Registry Swansea type Sailing built 1845 Barnstaple in the County of Devon England Reg.Tons 323.39, Gross Tons 323.39, Decks One, Masts Three, Rigged as a Barque, Stern Square , Build Carvel, Ships Head "Full Length Male" Frame Wood Length (ft)101.1 breadth 23.8 Remarks New vessel , later re-registered at Newcastle upon Tyne England Dec.1863 Hi Bryan Thanks for this, the name cropped up a while back whilst reading some old copies of the Cambrian in the NLW.As my surname is Roderick and my lot came from Swansea, I wondered what type of boat she was and who owned / named her. But work seems to have got in the way of any research. Regards Phil TCM

Welsh Mariners An on-line index of 23,500 Welsh merchant masters, mates and engineers active from 1800 to 1945, compiled by Dr. Reg Davies. http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/ http://www.aberavon-historical-friends.co.uk/welcome.htm ABERAVON HISTORICAL FRIENDS Contact John Sparks Allen Blethyn Gareth P.S. Three people have a tree with your ancestors in them. On Thu, 23/6/11, suesmith53@earthlink.net <suesmith53@earthlink.net> wrote: Am looking for information on Catherine Jones, born around 1797 in Abervon, glamorgan. She married David Morris who was a mariner? They had two daughters at least, margaret and Alice. Margaret married my 2nd ggrandfather, John F. Jordan and they immigrated to America aroun 1879 or so.  In the censuses she had several of her grandchildren, David and Elizabeth Jordan staying with her. Am looking for her parents, any help appreciated, also looking for David Morris and where he came from and where he was from.

In a message dated 23/06/2011 11:50:21 GMT Daylight Time, glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com writes: When I lived in Cardiff, Flat Holme was all but inaccessible. There must be a regular boat service now?? Where from? Hi Hugh I believe there is a service out to the island but not sure where it sails from, at a guess probably Barry. The boat used is named after one of the more famous of the Bristol Channel pilots, ie LEWIS ALEXANDER Regards Phil T.C.M.

Hello List The National Library of Wales, on behalf of CyMAL have arranged a subscription to Find My Past for access to the Find My Past Community Edition for public libraries, local archive services, local authority museums, registered independent museums, the National Library of Wales and National Museum Wales from 1st March 2011 until 31 March 2012. Find My Past gives access to the most complete online 1841-1911 census collection, complete Births, Marriages and Deaths Index between 1837-2006, as well as an extensive collection of parish records. Migration, Military, and Specialist records are also available. >From your home computer you can access the pre 1900 newspapers at the National Lbrary of Wales site. With regards to the births, deaths and marriages, why not have a look at: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Gareth --- On Thu, 23/6/11, Ann Ward <paryanward@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi Darris Are marriages which took place in Registry Offices included in this collection? Ann -- Original Message ----- From: "Darris Williams"WilliamsDa@familysearch.org> I am a little disappointed that the collection description does not provide clarity on what is included in the collection and what is not there. Based on an examination of the material a few months ago it appears that only records from the Glamorgan Record office in Cardiff were included. I am not sure all of those for the 1837-1925 time period are included..... In the next few days I will see if I can find that list of included parishes and date ranges so it can be added to https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/Wales_Glamorgan_Marriages_%28FamilySearch_Historical_Records%29 for research reference. I think we should know what was searched by using a database like this so a coverage table of some sort is essential. Darris G. Williams

I develop software for lawyers in England & Wales. I am proud to say I include a Welsh dictionary with the software as well as an English one. I have been unable to commercially justify putting the app into Welsh so far. But I can dream. As for speaking it outside Wales, I was attending a set of Chambers in central London and I needed to use their "services". I did but something didn't quite seem right. When I left the little boys room I turned to look at the doors again and re-read the signs. The signs were in Welsh (only). Interestingly there were 3 toilets. Solicitors/Men/Women...... Kerry -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Millie Wolff Sent: 21 June 2011 22:58 To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Welsh speakers Neither my parents, their parents, aunts, uncles or cousins spoke welsh. Now with the children of my cousins, Welsh is becoming more common for them While spending a few days in Brccon and surrounding areas in 1999, I was surprised to hear so many speaking Welsh - children and young adults! By the time I visited in 2002, there seemed to be more Welsh language being used by the younger generation. Millie (Non-speaking Welsh) Wolff Canada Millie Wolff mwolff@sasktel.net -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 09:42:14 +0100, Hugh Jordan <m@ilmenow.com> wrote: > When I lived in Cardiff, Flat Holme was all but inaccessible. There > must be a regular boat service now?? Hi Hugh, Information about the Sailing Schedule to Flat Holm can be found on the Flat Holm Island web site: http://www.flatholmisland.com/ There is a choice of English or Cymraeg. I looked first on the English part of the site: http://www.flatholmisland.com/content.asp?parent_directory_id=3813 where on the first page you can click on 2011 Day Trip dates and times. The web site is well worth exploring. Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

Not surprised Pill Somerset was often referred to as the Pilot's village Bryan

Roderick Dhu, Official No.14183, Port of Swansea No.13/1845 Port of Registry Swansea type Sailing built 1845 Barnstaple in the County of Devon England Reg.Tons 323.39, Gross Tons 323.39, Decks One, Masts Three, Rigged as a Barque, Stern Square , Build Carvel, Ships Head "Full Length Male" Frame Wood Length (ft)101.1 breadth 23.8 Remarks New vessel , later re-registered at Newcastle upon Tyne England Dec.1863 No crew lists yet seen, only indexed 1835 to 1844 at National Archives. 1845 onwards yet to be photographed and indexed. BT 98/811 Port of Registry: Swansea Ships Names: R-Z. Port of Registry: 1845 BT 98/1109 Port of Registry: Swansea Ships Name: H-R 1846 .... etc Their crew lists are filed in boxes. In the boxes their are filed in rough alphabetical order. The agreements are endorsed with port rotation numbers, Official Numbers were not issued until 1857. Roderick Dhu was first registered 1845 and sailed under a port rotation number used by the Customs and also her port number. Later in 1857 she was given official No. 141813 Conversion from Port Rotation numbers to Port of Swansea numbers is only required where there are more ships in the port of the same name. usually names like Ann, Sarah, Elizabeth, to do this compare the ship Master's name at the time of the agreement then look up the Custom House Register for the port the ship was registered in. Note for later Pilots at Swansea see Natuional Archives MT 10/1931 Pilotage. Appointment of additional pilots for the port of Swansea. Year: 1917 Regards Bryan

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:01:49 +0100, <PRode18115@aol.com> wrote: > Hi Jo > Not come across this guy before but 1823 is early but well worth a look > into. Hi Phil, I have references to William GOODLAND of Pill being a pilot before 1813. At the baptisms of his children, in 1813, 1815 and 1819, in St. George's (Easton-in-Gordano), Somerset, William's occupation was recorded as pilot. William's father, Samuel GOODLAND was also a pilot. I've been told that Samuel GOODLAND is listed as a pilot from 1753 to 1773 in a book called 'Bristol Pilots' by John Rich. The burial of William GOODLAND of Pill took place at St. George's on 11th. July 1837. He was aged 76 years. I don't have a burial for Samuel GOODLAND. My thoughts are that he may have died at sea or he may have been buried somewhere along the coasts of the West Country and South Wales. Jo -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

That's good to see. When I lived in Cardiff, Flat Holme was all but inaccessible. There must be a regular boat service now?? Where from? Hugh At 09:03 23/06/2011, Josephine Jeremiah wrote: >Hi Listers, > >Today, on a web BBC web page for south east Wales, there's an article, >which features a new pub, The Gull and Leek, on Flat Holm in the Bristol >Channel six miles off the coast of Cardiff. > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-13741734 > >This is about to become the most southerly pub in Wales, when it opens on >Friday. > >There is also an article about it today in WalesOnline > >http://www.walesonline.co.uk/go-green/news/2011/06/22/wales-most-southerly-pub-to-open-on-former-cholera-hospital-island-91466-28923246/ > >Josephine >--

Hi Sue Possible your mariner? On my website www.swanseamariners.org.uk David Morris born 1797 Llanelly Carms.Wales sailed on the Fonmon Castle of Swansea as ship's Mate, sailing out of Neath between 1835 -1838 Regards Bryan

Hi Listers, Today, on a web BBC web page for south east Wales, there's an article, which features a new pub, The Gull and Leek, on Flat Holm in the Bristol Channel six miles off the coast of Cardiff. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-13741734 This is about to become the most southerly pub in Wales, when it opens on Friday. There is also an article about it today in WalesOnline http://www.walesonline.co.uk/go-green/news/2011/06/22/wales-most-southerly-pub-to-open-on-former-cholera-hospital-island-91466-28923246/ Josephine -- Josephine Jeremiah The Glamorganshire Canal www.ianandjo.dsl.pipex.com

----- Original Message ----- From: Dianne To: glam Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:38 PM Subject: re B his son my grandfather Hi there can anyone lister steer me in the right direction as to where I may find some information on my gggrandparents DAVID LEWIS his son my grandfather (WILLIAM LEWIS) was 25 at time of marriage in 1853 you see I don't have a birth year for him (David) or MARY LEWIS William b1828 and Wife Hannah( Davies ) b 1829/30 were suppose to be born Merthyr Tydfil which puts the 1841 census as not being available I know Imp like a dog with a bone but I would just like to find something about them other gggrandparents were JOHN DAVIES and ELIZABETH DAVIES possibly VAUGHAN ??. Have a 1841 census for Dowlais not sure if correct could anyone help in checking this census much appreciated Dianne Aussie