Hi Dianne Very much a Welsh name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliesin Regards Lyn In Oz > -----Original Message----- > From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dianne > Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2011 8:26 PM > To: glam > Subject: [GLA] name > > Hi,does anyone have a TALIESON DAVIES and a GOMER DAVIES in > their families have heard the name GOMER but TALIESIN is new > to me is it Welsh > > Dianne > Aussie > -- > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN > Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful > links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html > and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,does anyone have a TALIESON DAVIES and a GOMER DAVIES in their families have heard the name GOMER but TALIESIN is new to me is it Welsh Dianne Aussie

Could someone please advise me where I can start my search for the Lawler family in Wales. Patrick James Lawler and his wife Esther Teresa (formerly Walsh) were Irish. They were in Monmouthshire at the time of their son Hugh Jerome's birth, about 1854. (According to family folklore, his father was engaged on "building a bridge". ) I have recently found that an older brother, John Joseph, was born in Glamorganshire about 1851. According to later references Patrick Lawler was a 'platelayer', so I have assumed that he was working for the railway at this time. (This family later moved to England (about 1856) before migrating to South Africa, and eventually settling in New Zealand; and from there, all but one of the sons made their way to Australia.) I am totally new to Welsh genealogy, and do not know how to go about searching for some contemporary records, so would appreciate some help. Clare in Australia

Hello, does anyone know anything about Senghenydd School early in the 20th century. I'm helping an Australian friend with his family history and have found that one of his relatives, Edith John, was Head of Senghenydd School in 1911. Was it a primary school, or a grammar school? Does it still exist? Any information will be very welcome. Thank you, Marjorie

Hi, I have a Samuel Lewis also born Trallong Brecs 1826. He is the son of Elizabeth Lewis who in 1832 married my 2 x gt grandfather Evan Maddy. I am wondering if it is possible that these two were brothers or step-brothers. With best wishes, Sue in Suffolk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eliz Hanebury" <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: "Dianne" <plaizier3@optusnet.com.au> Cc: "glam" <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] Fw: re ANCESTORS the 1841 is available, only the Dowlais area, I believe is lost. I found all of my Merthyr family in the 1841. Not so easy when you don't know just where they were. I got one William Lewis born 1828 + or - 5 and he was living in Brecon as an ag lab in the home of David Price Name: William Lewis Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Where born: Breconshire, Wales Civil parish: Trallong Hundred: Merthyr County/Island: Breconshire Country: Wales Street Address: Park Occupation: ag lab Registration district: Brecknock Sub-registration district: Devynnock Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1368 Book: 14 Folio: 6 Page Number: 5 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Dianne <plaizier3@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dianne > To: glam > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:38 PM > Subject: re B his son my grandfather > > > Hi there can anyone lister steer me in the right direction as to where I > may find some information on my gggrandparents DAVID LEWIS his son my > grandfather (WILLIAM LEWIS) was 25 at time of marriage in 1853 you see I > don't have a birth year for him (David) or MARY LEWIS > William b1828 and Wife Hannah( Davies ) b 1829/30 were suppose to be born > Merthyr Tydfil which puts the 1841 census as not being available > I know Imp like a dog with a bone but I would just like to find something > about them > other gggrandparents were JOHN DAVIES and ELIZABETH DAVIES possibly > VAUGHAN ??. > Have a 1841 census for Dowlais not sure if correct could anyone help in > checking this census > much appreciated > > Dianne > Aussie > -- > >

The 1861 image shows the youngest child as a son, James, not "Janell" as shown in the transcription. Pamela Marsden

Clare, I'm not sure if you have any experience of English genealogy, but if not I would normally say that a good place to start is FreeBMD a transcription of the General Record Office indexes to Births Marriages and Deaths, which Start in July 1837. http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ The transcription is not complete, but up to 1900 or so is almost complete. In this case however, I have searched for births of John Joseph LAWLER and Hugh Jerome LAWLER and found neither. This family in 1861 is in Stepney, Middlesex (London), with Jessie as Head, and engineer's wife, and Hugh born Monmouthshire. The other two children were born in Shadwell, Middlesex. Jessie Lawler 37 Hugh Lawler 7 Stephen Lawler 4 Janell Lawler 1 I cannot find birth registrations for the later children in Middlesex either. Your best bet may therefore be to go through census records - available from Ancestry or Findmaypast. If you don't have access yourself, they are often available at Libraries or your local LDS family history centre. Good luck, Dai Bevan On 30/06/2011 10:58, Clare Dubay wrote: > Could someone please advise me where I can start my search for the Lawler > family in Wales. > Patrick James Lawler and his wife Esther Teresa (formerly Walsh) > were Irish. They were in Monmouthshire at the time of their son Hugh > Jerome's birth, about 1854. (According to family folklore, his father was > engaged on "building a bridge". ) > I have recently found that an older brother, John Joseph, was born in > Glamorganshire about 1851. > According to later references Patrick Lawler was a 'platelayer', so I have > assumed that he was working for the railway at this time. > (This family later moved to England (about 1856) before migrating to South > Africa, and eventually settling in New Zealand; and from there, all but one > of the sons made their way to Australia.) > I am totally new to Welsh genealogy, and do not know how to go about > searching for some contemporary records, so would appreciate some help. > Clare in Australia

Jeff Many thanks for a very useful reply some of which was new to me and will help move me on. I have replied to you directly by email so as not to clutter the list. Thanks Edward On 30 June 2011 08:00, <glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > To request change of Digest Format contact GLAMORGAN-admin@rootsweb.comand be patient. Jeff. List Admin > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Florinda BEAVAN's will (Lyn) > 2. Re: 1851 census help BEAVAN (Lyn) > 3. Re: 1851 census help BEAVAN (Lyn) > 4. Re: Forest Estate, Llansanlet (Jeff Coleman) > 5. (no subject) (Evelyn Clarke) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2011 00:20:36 +0100 > From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [GLA] Forest Estate, Llansanlet > To: "Edward Llewellyn-Jones" <edwardllansamlet@gmail.com>, > <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A8990848DE954F96B901BD8B66CF29AD@JeffPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original > > You may be able to track quite a lot of things about Edward Daniel ( and > Edward Rice Daniel, I assume his son or nephew) in the 'Cambrian Index' to > the Swansea local newspaper at www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian > > DEATHS, OBITUARIES AND EULOGIES 28 February 1862 ON THE DEATH OF MR EDWARD > DANIEL, TAIBACH, BY M.F.JACOB, MOUNT PLEASANT. > > DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 14 September 1866 ON 5 SEPT.,AT TAIBACH,AGED > 83,DINAH,THE WIDOW OF MR.EDWARD DANIEL,COLLIERY AGENT. > > RELIGION, ANGLICAN 04 May 1866 PENDERRY - EDWARD DANIEL, MORRISTON, ELECTED > TO THE POSITION OF CHURCHWARDEN FOR LLANGAFELACH PARISH. P8 > > MINING AND INDUSTRY, COAL MINING, SWANSEA VALLEY 22 July 1870 SWANSEA > POLICE: COLLIERY CASE - WITNESSES, THOMAS REES, OVERMAN, EDWARD DANIEL, > MANAGER, MYNYDDNEWYDD. P8 > > Mynyddnewydd colliery was in Penlan, under the grounds of the former Penlan > Boys Comprehensive School I think, now the buildings taken over by Ysgol > Gyfun Gymraeg Bryn Tawe. > > MINING AND INDUSTRY, COAL MINING, SWANSEA AND GOWER 29 March 1872 TO > LET:300 > ACRES COAL BEARING LAND,PENCLAWDD,NEAR NARROW GAUGE RAILWAY - APPLY EVAN & > EDWARD DANIEL,MINING ENGINEERS.P4 > > SOCIAL, PHILANTHROPIC ASSOCIATIONS, FREE MASONS 19 April 1872 OPENING & > CONSECRATION OF TALBOT CHAPTER:PRESENT;REV.J.D.DAVIES; > S.B.POWER;W.WHITTINGTON;E.F.DANIEL;EDWARD DANIEL.P5 > > DEATHS, OBITUARIES AND EULOGIES 03 September 1875 OBITUARY OF EDWARD > DANIEL, > 69, MORRISTON, MANAGING AGENT OF VIVIAN & SONS COLLIERIES. ON BOARD OF > GUARDIANS 30 YEARS.P5 > > I suspect the CALLAND in question may have been this one > MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE 24 July 1846 JOHN FORBES CALLAND, LATE OF UPPER FOREST, > GLAMORGAN. TO HARRIET ANN GARDNER. > > rather than Charles CALLAND, I suspect his father. > > CALLAND's pit was I think in Landore, not far from Cwm Level Road, but that > dates from Charles CALLAND I think: > CRIME AND PUNISHMENT AND POLICE, ASSAULT OR THREATENING BEHAVIOUR 15 June > 1860 SWANSEA POLICE: JOHN WILLIAMS, CROWN INN, LANDORE,-V- DANIEL DAVIES, > PITMAN, CALLAND'S PIT. P6. > > MINING AND INDUSTRY, METAL PROCESSING, TINPLATE INDUSTRY 17 February 1871 > MORRISTON:COMING OF AGE CELEBRATIONS OF J.BENTLEY CALLAND, ELDEST SON OF > MR. > & MRS.JOHN FORBES CALLAND,UPPER FFOREST.P5 > > BUILDINGS, ESTATES 29 August 1879 CALLAND MARRIAGE: J.F.CALLAND & SON > TRANSFERRED INTEREST IN UPPER FOREST ESTATE TO FREDERICK & CHARLES FORBES > CALLAND.P4 > > It may well be worth looking at the book Copperopolis published by the > Royal > Commission on Archeological and Historical Monuments in Wales > (Copperopolis: Landscapes of the Early Industrial Period in Swansea > [Paperback] > Stephen Hughes ) > which has a lot of detail on the industrial archaeology of the Swansea > valley, and certainly mentions Calland's pit. > > The Forest or Fforest estate, Llansamlet, was better known for the Upper > Fforest tinplate works ( William Williams the one-legged tinplate > millionaire) - where Morriston Asda store is now - than for collieries > under > it, but there probably was mining there, as almost everywhere else in the > area. There was also am iron and brass foundry at Lower Forest ( near the > Beaufort Road bridge). Putting in SA6 8PS the postcode for the Asda store > into www.old-maps.co.uk enables you to look at maps of the Forest estate. > Although there are a lot of coal pits near Llansamlet and Birchgrove, the > only one in 1884 apparently on the Forest estate was the Marsh Pit > Colliery. > > Here we are: 04 May 1860 SWANSEA WATER BILL:EVIDENCE FROM EDW.DANIEL, EVAN > DANIEL,R.RAWLINSON.FOREST COLLIERY.P8. > > I have a feeling that the Forest colliery, like others on the flood plain > of > the river Tawe, had a large problem with continual pumping to avoid > flooding the workings, and that it may have been mentioned in the old > Llansamlet local history web site in that connection. > > Putting in SA6 8PS the postcode for the Asda store into www.old-maps.co.uk > enables you to look at maps of the Forest estate. Although there are a lot > of coal pits near Llansamlet and Birchgrove, the only one in 1884 > apparently > on the Forest estate was the Marsh Pit Colliery. However the 'Cambrian > index' does not mention the Marsh Pit, so it may have had an earlier name. > the history of coal mining in the lower Swansea valley, including a > description of the main seams, is in the 'Lower Swansea Valley Project' > book > edited by K J Hilton, published by Longmans in 1967, pp46-53. The map in > that book does not include all of the Forest estate, and although it shows > a > number of pits it does not name any of them as the Forest Colliery. > > Incidentally several Cambrian Index entries show that Edward DANIEL > maintained his interests, particularly philanthropic, in Port Talbot area > after moving to Morriston. > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward Llewellyn-Jones" <edwardllansamlet@gmail.com> > To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:54 PM > Subject: [GLA] Forest Estate, Llansanlet > > > Dear Listers > I'm seeking help in clarifying a comment that appeared in the obituary of > my > 2xgreat grandfather in September 1875 who was known as Edward Daniel of > Morriston. > > It says 'We may particularly mention that Mr. Daniel was successful in > winning the coal under Forest estate, Llansamlet, after scores of thousands > of pounds had been spent in endeavouring to win the vein by other parties > since the year 1807. Combating the opinion, and in spite of the views of > several other eminent mining engineers, Mr. Daniel drove a diagonal drift > through a very large ?fault?, winning the coal at a comparatively small > outlay, for which he received a very handsome testimonial from Mr. Calland, > the proprietor of the colliery.' > > It would be useful to know the name of the colliery and the year. I know > my > 2xgrandfather was agent for Vivian & Sons so this must have been something > he did on the side. I've googled unsuccessfully. The Calland papers held > in the national Archives in Swansea do not appear to have any details on > their mining interests. The only thing that has gone through my mind is > that the writer of the obituary confused my 2xgreat grandfather with his > father of the same name. He was also a colliery agent who opened and > managed a number of pits such as Brombil and sunk the original shaft for > the > ill-fated Morfa Colliery. My 3xgreat grandfather who was always referred > to > as Edward Daniel of Taibach retired in 1848. > Many thanks > Edward > > > > > ------------------------------ > >

Hello Jeff/List Going over the archives or searching them always turn up new avenue's to continue your research, regardless of if you hit a brick wall. The archives go back years and are a brilliant research tool in themselves. All thanks to Jeff and the other volunteers who maintain the archives on the various boards. Gareth --- On Wed, 29/6/11, Jeff Coleman <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> wrote: I strongly recommend that people who have previously been given information on the mailing list use the list archives to recover it, rather than asking the same question again.

I am glad I am not the only one. :) Lyn > -----Original Message----- > From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dai & > Angela Bevan > Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2011 1:13 AM > To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLA] 1851 census help BEAVAN > > Henry and Mildred BEAVAN have beaten me, Lyn. I can't find > them anywhere. > > Dai > >

I am thinking that perhaps they were elsewhere ..perhaps Ireland where Mildred came from but I like the space alien idea - it is how they got here I am sure. The lady reference is interesting - they had links to gentry and Morgans through the Leysons of Neath and Swansea but claim relationship to the Morgans of Tredegare - no link found yet. Regards Lyn > -----Original Message----- > From: Eliz Hanebury [mailto:elizhgene@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2011 6:05 AM > To: rdmnanst@aol.com > Cc: genielynau@bigpond.com; glamorgan@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GLA] 1851 census help BEAVAN > > LOL Probably a good answer but reading it I wondered if they > or she could have gone on Vacation to Scotland or the Channel > Islands or France? The way the British census was taken that > would make them missing for sure. > > > > Eliz > > On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 3:48 PM, <rdmnanst@aol.com> wrote: > > > >  Lyn > > > > I went through the whole of Queen Street, Neath, 1851.......I think > > Henry and Mildred were taken by Space Aliens. > > The only one of the group, as mentioned before was Bridget > MORGAN, # > > 35 Queen St, by the \way she is listed > Rank/Profession/Occupation as > > "Lady"....she is the only Bridget MORGAN on Queen Street, > Neath, 1851 > > > > Regards > > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lyn <genielynau@bigpond.com> > > To: glamorgan <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 6:57 am > > Subject: Re: [GLA] 1851 census help BEAVAN > > > > > > Hi Doug > > > > It says wife of Henry Beavan Gentleman. Informant was > Bridget Morgan > > present at death of the same address. There is a connection to a > > Morgan family but whether Bridget is actually  a relative or not I > > don't know. Perhaps she might be the clue to finding them > or that address. > > > > regards > > > > Lyn > > > > > >  _____ > > > > From: rdmnanst@aol.com [mailto:rdmnanst@aol.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011 9:49 PM > > To: genielynau@bigpond.com; glamorgan@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [GLA] 1851 census help BEAVAN > > > > > > > > Lyn > > > > On Mildred's death cert, does it show her as a Widow? or > Wife of Henry > > Williams BEAVAN, also does it show that she has a middle name? > > > > Regards > > > > Doug > > California, Missouri, USA > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family > > History Mailing List archives etc. are at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > > - > > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful > links, may > > be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > > > - > > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > > > To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family > > History Mailing List archives etc. are at > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > > - > > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful > links, may > > be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > > > - > > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Doug No I don't have Florinda's Will - I did find the Probate in the Calendars and I have a copy of the death certificate but haven't got around to getting the actual Will yet - would love a copy if you are able to do that and attachments are fine - thanks for your help. Lyn _____ From: rdmnanst@aol.com [mailto:rdmnanst@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, 30 June 2011 8:13 AM To: genielynau@bigpond.com; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Florinda BEAVAN's will Hello Lyn I found Florinda Elizabeth BEAVAN's probate, 1500 pounds to Edith Florinda BEAVAN, died Oct 10th 1875. Please let me know if you want it, and is it alright to send it to you as an attachment. Doug

Photos of: St Michael's Church, Michaelston-y-fedw, GLA/MON Dear Listers, The latest subject to be added to my 'Welsh Churches and Chapels collection' is: The ancient Church of St Michael, in the parish of Michaelston-y-fedw on the old Monmouthshire-Glamorgan border. This is a major feature comprising fourteen photographs (by John Ball). Go to www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/churches/ and scroll down the index to the Michaelston-y-fedw link. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2011.co.uk Website: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists Webmaster - Breconshire Local & Family History Society: www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wlsblfhs/

Hi Im asking first as I am not sure if I can do this - but basically I am wondering if its ok for me to email to the list a question of if anyone else is researching part of my tree, or knows of any living family in a particular area of Glamorgan - is this ok or NO ? Evelyn

You may be able to track quite a lot of things about Edward Daniel ( and Edward Rice Daniel, I assume his son or nephew) in the 'Cambrian Index' to the Swansea local newspaper at www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian DEATHS, OBITUARIES AND EULOGIES 28 February 1862 ON THE DEATH OF MR EDWARD DANIEL, TAIBACH, BY M.F.JACOB, MOUNT PLEASANT. DEATHS, DEATH NOTICES 14 September 1866 ON 5 SEPT.,AT TAIBACH,AGED 83,DINAH,THE WIDOW OF MR.EDWARD DANIEL,COLLIERY AGENT. RELIGION, ANGLICAN 04 May 1866 PENDERRY - EDWARD DANIEL, MORRISTON, ELECTED TO THE POSITION OF CHURCHWARDEN FOR LLANGAFELACH PARISH. P8 MINING AND INDUSTRY, COAL MINING, SWANSEA VALLEY 22 July 1870 SWANSEA POLICE: COLLIERY CASE - WITNESSES, THOMAS REES, OVERMAN, EDWARD DANIEL, MANAGER, MYNYDDNEWYDD. P8 Mynyddnewydd colliery was in Penlan, under the grounds of the former Penlan Boys Comprehensive School I think, now the buildings taken over by Ysgol Gyfun Gymraeg Bryn Tawe. MINING AND INDUSTRY, COAL MINING, SWANSEA AND GOWER 29 March 1872 TO LET:300 ACRES COAL BEARING LAND,PENCLAWDD,NEAR NARROW GAUGE RAILWAY - APPLY EVAN & EDWARD DANIEL,MINING ENGINEERS.P4 SOCIAL, PHILANTHROPIC ASSOCIATIONS, FREE MASONS 19 April 1872 OPENING & CONSECRATION OF TALBOT CHAPTER:PRESENT;REV.J.D.DAVIES; S.B.POWER;W.WHITTINGTON;E.F.DANIEL;EDWARD DANIEL.P5 DEATHS, OBITUARIES AND EULOGIES 03 September 1875 OBITUARY OF EDWARD DANIEL, 69, MORRISTON, MANAGING AGENT OF VIVIAN & SONS COLLIERIES. ON BOARD OF GUARDIANS 30 YEARS.P5 I suspect the CALLAND in question may have been this one MARRIAGES, MARRIAGE 24 July 1846 JOHN FORBES CALLAND, LATE OF UPPER FOREST, GLAMORGAN. TO HARRIET ANN GARDNER. rather than Charles CALLAND, I suspect his father. CALLAND's pit was I think in Landore, not far from Cwm Level Road, but that dates from Charles CALLAND I think: CRIME AND PUNISHMENT AND POLICE, ASSAULT OR THREATENING BEHAVIOUR 15 June 1860 SWANSEA POLICE: JOHN WILLIAMS, CROWN INN, LANDORE,-V- DANIEL DAVIES, PITMAN, CALLAND'S PIT. P6. MINING AND INDUSTRY, METAL PROCESSING, TINPLATE INDUSTRY 17 February 1871 MORRISTON:COMING OF AGE CELEBRATIONS OF J.BENTLEY CALLAND, ELDEST SON OF MR. & MRS.JOHN FORBES CALLAND,UPPER FFOREST.P5 BUILDINGS, ESTATES 29 August 1879 CALLAND MARRIAGE: J.F.CALLAND & SON TRANSFERRED INTEREST IN UPPER FOREST ESTATE TO FREDERICK & CHARLES FORBES CALLAND.P4 It may well be worth looking at the book Copperopolis published by the Royal Commission on Archeological and Historical Monuments in Wales (Copperopolis: Landscapes of the Early Industrial Period in Swansea [Paperback] Stephen Hughes ) which has a lot of detail on the industrial archaeology of the Swansea valley, and certainly mentions Calland's pit. The Forest or Fforest estate, Llansamlet, was better known for the Upper Fforest tinplate works ( William Williams the one-legged tinplate millionaire) - where Morriston Asda store is now - than for collieries under it, but there probably was mining there, as almost everywhere else in the area. There was also am iron and brass foundry at Lower Forest ( near the Beaufort Road bridge). Putting in SA6 8PS the postcode for the Asda store into www.old-maps.co.uk enables you to look at maps of the Forest estate. Although there are a lot of coal pits near Llansamlet and Birchgrove, the only one in 1884 apparently on the Forest estate was the Marsh Pit Colliery. Here we are: 04 May 1860 SWANSEA WATER BILL:EVIDENCE FROM EDW.DANIEL, EVAN DANIEL,R.RAWLINSON.FOREST COLLIERY.P8. I have a feeling that the Forest colliery, like others on the flood plain of the river Tawe, had a large problem with continual pumping to avoid flooding the workings, and that it may have been mentioned in the old Llansamlet local history web site in that connection. Putting in SA6 8PS the postcode for the Asda store into www.old-maps.co.uk enables you to look at maps of the Forest estate. Although there are a lot of coal pits near Llansamlet and Birchgrove, the only one in 1884 apparently on the Forest estate was the Marsh Pit Colliery. However the 'Cambrian index' does not mention the Marsh Pit, so it may have had an earlier name. the history of coal mining in the lower Swansea valley, including a description of the main seams, is in the 'Lower Swansea Valley Project' book edited by K J Hilton, published by Longmans in 1967, pp46-53. The map in that book does not include all of the Forest estate, and although it shows a number of pits it does not name any of them as the Forest Colliery. Incidentally several Cambrian Index entries show that Edward DANIEL maintained his interests, particularly philanthropic, in Port Talbot area after moving to Morriston. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Llewellyn-Jones" <edwardllansamlet@gmail.com> To: <GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: [GLA] Forest Estate, Llansanlet Dear Listers I'm seeking help in clarifying a comment that appeared in the obituary of my 2xgreat grandfather in September 1875 who was known as Edward Daniel of Morriston. It says 'We may particularly mention that Mr. Daniel was successful in winning the coal under Forest estate, Llansamlet, after scores of thousands of pounds had been spent in endeavouring to win the vein by other parties since the year 1807. Combating the opinion, and in spite of the views of several other eminent mining engineers, Mr. Daniel drove a diagonal drift through a very large “fault”, winning the coal at a comparatively small outlay, for which he received a very handsome testimonial from Mr. Calland, the proprietor of the colliery.' It would be useful to know the name of the colliery and the year. I know my 2xgrandfather was agent for Vivian & Sons so this must have been something he did on the side. I've googled unsuccessfully. The Calland papers held in the national Archives in Swansea do not appear to have any details on their mining interests. The only thing that has gone through my mind is that the writer of the obituary confused my 2xgreat grandfather with his father of the same name. He was also a colliery agent who opened and managed a number of pits such as Brombil and sunk the original shaft for the ill-fated Morfa Colliery. My 3xgreat grandfather who was always referred to as Edward Daniel of Taibach retired in 1848. Many thanks Edward

Hi I am still looking for my family of John JONES and Sarah JONES nee REES. I have a headstone for these folks sent to me by a group member that Says they both died with their daughter also Sarah JONES age 5 in 1866. I then decided to look for them on the 1861 census. The headstone says they are from Blackpill which I'm guessing is part of Swansea. Correct me if I'm wrong please. I am having no luck in finding any of them on the 1861 census and wondered if someone might also Check for me please. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks Regards Karen.

Hi Karen I realise that you have lost a lot of your data because of failure of a computer that was not backed up. You will recall that I sent you details of this family in 1861 census on 1st March this year, as in this archive message to the list. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GLAMORGAN/2011-03/1299015782 You can of course recover all the messages about this family from the Browser of list messages by looking at the early days of March 2011. You recall that the gravestone is in a prominent place in the graveyard of Bethel Welsh Independent chapel, Carnglas Road, Sketty. The minister of that chapel at the time lived in Lower Sketty and in the 1861 census was quite a close neighbour of the JONES family. The JONES family were schedule 17 on page8 folio 38 of RG9/4107 and Lewis DAVIES, Independent Minister, of a similar age to John JONES, was in schedule 19 on the very next page, though in a much more up-market household with 5 servants living in, while John JONES was simply a labourer. Blackpill is the location where the Clyne river enters Swansea Bay, on the western side of the river. Lower Sketty was only a hundred yards or so on the East side of the river ( which is not a large one), so presumably Reed Fach (Rhyd fach, meaning small ford) where the JONES family were in 1861 was also close to the same area. The river was the boundary between Oystermouth parish on the west of the river, in Gower registration district, and the then new parish of Sketty on the east of the river, in Swansea registration district. I strongly recommend that people who have previously been given information on the mailing list use the list archives to recover it, rather than asking the same question again. GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html This message ( above) appears on all individual list messages, though it is trimmed off from Digests, something that is inherent in the Rootsweb software. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "karen" <kmabey@bigpond.net.au> To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 6:50 AM Subject: [GLA] 1861 census help > Hi > > I am still looking for my family of John JONES and Sarah JONES nee REES. I > have a headstone for these folks sent to me by a group member that > > Says they both died with their daughter also Sarah JONES age 5 in 1866. I > then decided to look for them on the 1861 census. > > The headstone says they are from Blackpill which I'm guessing is part of > Swansea. Correct me if I'm wrong please. > > I am having no luck in finding any of them on the 1861 census and > wondered > if someone might also > > Check for me please. > > Any help would be most appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Regards > > Karen. >

Hi Doug It says wife of Henry Beavan Gentleman. Informant was Bridget Morgan present at death of the same address. There is a connection to a Morgan family but whether Bridget is actually a relative or not I don't know. Perhaps she might be the clue to finding them or that address. regards Lyn _____ From: rdmnanst@aol.com [mailto:rdmnanst@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, 29 June 2011 9:49 PM To: genielynau@bigpond.com; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] 1851 census help BEAVAN Lyn On Mildred's death cert, does it show her as a Widow? or Wife of Henry Williams BEAVAN, also does it show that she has a middle name? Regards Doug California, Missouri, USA

I wonder if anyone can locate my BEAVAN family in 1851 census. Henry Williams BEAVAN and his wife Mildred lived mostly in Glamorgan at various abodes - Town Hill House, Townhill and Swansea in the early 1800s with a small stint in Bristol. Mildred died 19 October 1851 in Queen Street, Neath at the age of 72. She was born in Ireland. Henry was born about 1781 place unknown. I have never been able to locate them in the 1851 census. There is a Henry Beavan about the right age but he has the wrong wife and from memory children. Henry and Mildred only had one daughter Florinda born 1805 in Bristol who lived in Gloucestershire and they are not with her in 1851. Is there a census wiz out there who likes a challenge? It would be really great to find them. regards Lyn in Oz.

Graham, Harriet was in Lower Church St., Chepstow with sons James A and Joseph W. in 1861 Dai On 29/06/2011 18:16, robert williams wrote: > From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. > Glamorgan F.H.S;#551. > > > --- On Tue, 28/6/11, robert williams<canton_cardiff_wales@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> From: robert williams<canton_cardiff_wales@yahoo.com> >> Subject: 1861 lookup for CLARE >> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com >> Date: Tuesday, 28 June, 2011, 19:49 >> Greetings.Could some kind soul please >> look up this for me....... >> >> James Arthur CLARE born 1858 in Chepstow Monmouthshire. >> [actually baptised 2nd'of January 1858 at Chepstow] >> He is listed in Chepstow according to the index. >> His parents were James Love CLARE and his wife Harriett,nee >> ARTHUR[married >> 31st;december 1855 at Chepstow. >> James Love CLARE was a "Mariner"of Great Yarmouth Norfolk >> at the time of his marriage. >> His father was James CLARE a "Ships Carpenter"according to >> his marriage lines.[from Forest of Dean site.] >> There was a William Love CLARE baptised 19 may 1834 at >> St;Nicholas,Great Yarmouth according to the "Free >> Reg;Website".the son of James& Anne CLARE. >> Anything from the earlier censuses of 1851 and 1841 would >> be welcomed. >> >> I am also looking for Harriett ARTHUR's parents in the 1841 >> & 1851 censuses >> These are Joseph ARTHUR and his wife Mary Ann >> PRICE[marr;21/11/1819 at Monmouth]They should be in the >> Chepstow area too. >> >> Many Thanks,Graham. >> From:- Graham WILLIAMS,of Canton,Cardiff. >> Glamorgan F.H.S;#551. >>