John wrote: > My question today is "how far from the main trunk of our family tree's > should we research? > Currently I am out to 4th and 5th cousins, is this too far? I appreciate > that the answer could be in the eye of researcher, however, what do you > greatly experienced researchers think? You set your own parameters. There's no right or wrong way to research a tree or how far to take it back or sideways. I'm currently working with three cousins on a quite complex branch of the family. Two of those cousins are 4th 1 R (4C1R)and one's a 5th. My mother considers a tree should be straight back on the male line only and NOTHING sideways or any females who've married in. There was a researcher who announced on one list he'd completed his tree and was unsubbing. He'd got back to 1837 and the start of civil registration. Since following back some 30 different branches and twigs, some of which are only related by marriage, I've found some fascinating families. Some of them have glorious names, some have interesting lives and some have very convoluted, complex intertwined families. The choice is yours :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/

John I think it is a misnomer to call it a family tree, I think of it as a murshoom, your in the dark most of the time and it grows overnight. I say go as far as you want, it is a personal thing, especially if a cousin has something interesting to add. But if you are looking for a nice clean tree, with no murderers, divorces, bigamists, etc Just don't start a tree in the first place. My own surname Richard(s) in the 1800's were too goody two shoes, went to chapel worked the land. Dead end in 1775. Luckily some of the maternal lines have been very interesting. After all in PC times, who said it is only the male line that is important in your DNA ? But only do it if you really enjoy it. Oops it's early morning and I can see another mushroom coming up, its my ,,,,,,,,,,,,cousin ! Regards Bryan www.swanseamariners.org.uk

Having a rather unusual surname, I find it fascinating to branch way out past my own immediate line, although I do tend to want much more information on my direct line than other lines. One thing that has fascinated me is the use of my surname as a secondary forename, which has led me to be able to link other family groups to my Nixey tree. The only down side I would say is that it can sometimes work out expensive enough as it is when certificates are needed to prove something or other, so adding that expense to a famly group that isn't directly related to you will obviously increase the chances of you putting your hand in your pocket more than you would like to. That's my tuppenceworth. <G> all the best with your research, kind regards, Jon

John, Go as far as you want. I have a few 7th and 8th cousins in my tree. I find it fascinating to think we are all descended from one couple. I have gone even further than my own tree and am doing a one-name study on my mother's name, trying to find all the occurrences of the name GILBOURNE and its variants, hoping one day to link the different branches I have. Dai On 05/07/2011 09:04, John wrote: > Hi All > > My question today is "how far from the main trunk of our family tree's > should we research? > Currently I am out to 4th and 5th cousins, is this too far? I appreciate > that the answer could be in the eye of researcher, however, what do you > greatly experienced researchers think? > > > Thank you > > John > Mandurah > Western Australia

Hi list, I found this whole subject fascinating. When I started out 30 years ago, I decided that the women were as important as the males, and in that way, doubled up with every generation as far as I could go. I found some fascinating connections with my own families. And cousins I never knew I had. I still have a long way to go to find more, but still, they are there somewhere. Shortly, I shall be staying on land that holds a Roman grave, and nearby is a neolithic gravesite. Now, of course, I don't know of any personal connection, but heck, that far back, no one can tell who is related to whom, so I suppose we all belong in one way or another anyway. And with the help that a lot of people give on these lists and outside too, we do have a lot in common and that must come from womewhere in our genes long ago.l Well, that is my little contribution over, all the best to everyone, whatever they think their family consists of. Maureen, Rhondda. In a message dated 05/07/2011 10:53:51 GMT Daylight Time, tadip44@cinci.rr.com writes: John - et al I, as most searchers, have something of the same dilemma, but until I have some documented evidence, I don't add their names to my tree. People of special interest/stories, are mentioned in the pre-amble to my tree (Tribal Pages). At the other end of the spectrum, I have an Australian relative who has everyone in the world in her tree, with very little objective evidence to back it up. Terry -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 AM To: John Cc: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Family Tree Parameters John wrote: > My question today is "how far from the main trunk of our family tree's > should we research? > Currently I am out to 4th and 5th cousins, is this too far? I appreciate > that the answer could be in the eye of researcher, however, what do you > greatly experienced researchers think? You set your own parameters. There's no right or wrong way to research a tree or how far to take it back or sideways. I'm currently working with three cousins on a quite complex branch of the family. Two of those cousins are 4th 1 R (4C1R)and one's a 5th. My mother considers a tree should be straight back on the male line only and NOTHING sideways or any females who've married in. There was a researcher who announced on one list he'd completed his tree and was unsubbing. He'd got back to 1837 and the start of civil registration. Since following back some 30 different branches and twigs, some of which are only related by marriage, I've found some fascinating families. Some of them have glorious names, some have interesting lives and some have very convoluted, complex intertwined families. The choice is yours :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John - et al I, as most searchers, have something of the same dilemma, but until I have some documented evidence, I don't add their names to my tree. People of special interest/stories, are mentioned in the pre-amble to my tree (Tribal Pages). At the other end of the spectrum, I have an Australian relative who has everyone in the world in her tree, with very little objective evidence to back it up. Terry -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Charani Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 4:49 AM To: John Cc: GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Family Tree Parameters John wrote: > My question today is "how far from the main trunk of our family tree's > should we research? > Currently I am out to 4th and 5th cousins, is this too far? I appreciate > that the answer could be in the eye of researcher, however, what do you > greatly experienced researchers think? You set your own parameters. There's no right or wrong way to research a tree or how far to take it back or sideways. I'm currently working with three cousins on a quite complex branch of the family. Two of those cousins are 4th 1 R (4C1R)and one's a 5th. My mother considers a tree should be straight back on the male line only and NOTHING sideways or any females who've married in. There was a researcher who announced on one list he'd completed his tree and was unsubbing. He'd got back to 1837 and the start of civil registration. Since following back some 30 different branches and twigs, some of which are only related by marriage, I've found some fascinating families. Some of them have glorious names, some have interesting lives and some have very convoluted, complex intertwined families. The choice is yours :)) -- Charani (UK) OPC for Walton, Greinton and Clutton, SOM Asst OPC for Ashcott and Shapwick, SOM http://wsom-opc.org.uk http://www.savethegurkhas.co.uk/ -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, Another post from 2000 caught my eye. Wilfred BRYANT, my uncle, was the son of Arthur Ruck BRYANT and Alice TUCKER. Alice, my grandmother, was born 1866 the daughter of Henry BRYANT and Mary ROGERS. Regards, Margaret ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi Marion, I would like to update your post from 2002, a lot of years have gone by, but here goes: Obit. Henry GOUGH, died 1939 at 63, Broadway, Cardiff. Mourners, Alderman A.E. Gough, brother. (Sir) Mr C. E. ? Gough, brother Alfred Gough, nephew. Russell Gough, nephew. Hubert Bryant, nephew Alice Mabel Gough (always called Mabel) married Michael Anthony Noxell 1937 in London ,Ontario. He was her 2nd. husband and she was his 3rd. wife, he died 1951 London, Ontario. In 1958 her address was 791, Colbourne St. London, Ontario. Sarah Emma Tucker (called Emma) married John H. Milling in Ontario, their son was John Harward Milling. Address 399, Duplex Ave. Toronto. Gilbert Tucker Gough married Rose Annie Tucker, in 1928 they lived at Hillcrest, Llanwern Rd. Newport. Gilbert was a seaman. Regards, Margaret ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

Hi Listers, Can anyone tell me who lived at 78, Robert St. YNYSYBWL in 1928. I am really hoping that the family living there are connected to my GOUGH, TUCKER and BRYANT families. Regards, Margaret ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email

This comment from CAE touches not only on the schooling/compulsion issue but blames 'strange singers' at the competition for lower attendance. Probably at the local Calvinistic Methodist chapel. I'm intrigued, I wonder what was considered strange in 1851 ....... maybe an early form of Christian Rock which really arrived some 150 years later. * Llanfairfechan Parish Church "The only weekly instruction given in the Parish is under the Superintendance of the Established Church. Children of all denominations are admitted and no objection has been made by any to the course of instruction. The children are not compelled to attend at Church but do so voluntarily in considerable numbers. On the thirty-first of March there were strange singers invited to one of the Dissenting chapels which attracted many of the usual attendants at the Church which made the congregation less than average" James V Vincent, Rector Gareth Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Help Page http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html Cwmgors/Waun http://www.tytwp.plus.com/Waun/Waun.html

On Friday I wrote: "My Lawler family were Irish and Roman Catholic. Is there any way that I would be able to find a christening for a child born around 1849 in Ardare?..." Please excuse the typo, I meant to say, * Aberdare*. So, I will ask again, are RC records available for this period in Aberdare? Clare in Australia

Hi Bryan   there is the following on the GFHS marriage index   Richard HOPKIN to Mary EDWARD.  1st February 1789 at Michaelston super Avon  (he was of Margam parish she of MsA).  Marriage byBanns.   Hope this is of help.   Sue in Newark From: "glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com" <glamorgan-request@rootsweb.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2011, 8:00 Subject: GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 290 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 11:54:31 +0100 From: "Bryan Richards" <bryanrichards@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [GLA] Hopkin margam/Pyle/Kenfig To: <glamorgan@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <FE4C0B476EE94FA285CC37261EEEA315@radiooperatoPC> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original Can anyone help, I have traced the children off the GFHS baptism CD for Richard Hopkin and Mary But their marriage and their births elude me at the moment. John son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised  2nd Jun 1789 Margam Richard son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised 3rd Sept. 1791  Margam William son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised  9th Feb. 1794 Margam David son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised  11th jun 1796 Margam Morgan son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised 10th Nov 1799 Aberavon ? [Possibility as St.Mary's Aberavon is across the river from Margam parish] Hopkin son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised  29th Jun 1805 Margam A family member gave me this information RICHARD HOPKINS OR HOPKIN (JENKIN) was born Oct 13, 1774 in Pyle and Kenfig, Glan, Wales. ? He married MARY. She was born Abt. 1774 in Pyle and Kenfig Glan, Wales. ? Regards Bryan T contact the GLAMORGAN list administrator, send an email to GLAMORGAN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GLAMORGAN mailing list, send an email to GLAMORGAN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 290 *****************************************

Need some help with a couple of names please. Not sure if these are Welsh names or not. Merogo Meviam These are Christian names not surnames and any help would be great. Are they short for something? Thanks Regards Karen

Hi Until recently I had always thought that my Powell line I am researching had only settled in the Rhondda Valley from Cardiganshire (Troedyraur and Penbryn) so was surprised to find a few weeks ago that part of the family had also settled in Aberdare. I am wondering if anyone else is researching this particular family as I havent been able to find a lot about what happened to them after the 1911 census except for the burials of a couple of them, and information obtained on the obituaries.... . (David Powell born abt 1851 Troedyraur - died 1920 - his wife Rachel born abt 1851 Llandovery died 1926 ) I am trying to find more information on their sons and daughters John born abt 1874 Owen born abt 1875 Miners agent, Trecynon 1926 Harriet born abt 1877 married Thomas Thomas children: Albert, Walter, Rachel, Irene and Brynmor Elizabeth Jane born abt 1880 Angelina born abt 1884 married Benjamin Harries John born abt 1886 I would be grateful for any information anyone can give me of what happened to this family Many thanks Evelyn

Hi Jennifer Thanks for your co-operation Regards Bryan

Dear Bryan Hwn a Hunodd yn yr Iesu  Yes, (traditionally translated as "fell asleep in Jesus"). John 16 end of v. 22 (Verse 22 starts....Therefore you now have sorrow; but I will see you again and your heart will rejoice... ) A'ch llawenydd Ni ddwg neb Oddi Arnoch and your joy no one will take from you Jen ________________________________ From: Bryan Richards <bryanrichards@btinternet.com> To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 2 July, 2011 12:17:09 Subject: Re: [GLA] Headstone Can some translate the following two lines on the headstone Hwn a Hunodd yn yr Iesu  [Fell asleep with Jesus ?] and Ach llawenydd Ni ddwg neb Oddi Arnoch Regards Bryan -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can some translate the following two lines on the headstone Hwn a Hunodd yn yr Iesu [Fell asleep with Jesus ?] and Ach llawenydd Ni ddwg neb Oddi Arnoch Regards Bryan

Can anyone help, I have traced the children off the GFHS baptism CD for Richard Hopkin and Mary But their marriage and their births elude me at the moment. John son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised 2nd Jun 1789 Margam Richard son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised 3rd Sept. 1791 Margam William son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised 9th Feb. 1794 Margam David son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised 11th jun 1796 Margam Morgan son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised 10th Nov 1799 Aberavon ? [Possibility as St.Mary's Aberavon is across the river from Margam parish] Hopkin son of Richard Hopkin and Mary baptised 29th Jun 1805 Margam A family member gave me this information RICHARD HOPKINS OR HOPKIN (JENKIN) was born Oct 13, 1774 in Pyle and Kenfig, Glan, Wales. ? He married MARY. She was born Abt. 1774 in Pyle and Kenfig Glan, Wales. ? Regards Bryan

Clare Genuki also shows a Penrith in Pembrokeshire http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/PEM/Penrith/ John -----Original Message----- From: glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:glamorgan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dai & Angela Bevan Sent: 01 July 2011 21:40 To: glamorgan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GLA] Lawler Clare, Penarth would seem to be the nearest to 'Penrith' in Glamorgan. You may find other possibilities on the Genuki Glamorgan page: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Parishes.html Dai On 01/07/2011 13:12, Clare Dubay wrote: > Thank you so much to the people who have responded to my appeal for help. I > would like to ask two more questions. > My Lawler family were Irish and Roman Catholic. Is there any way that I > would be able to find a christening for a child born around 1849 in > Ardare? > Hugh Lawler's wedding certificate gives his place of birth as (looks like) > 'Penrith', Wales. I suspect that this is the English version of a Welsh > name. Any ideas where that could be? > Thanks again > Clare in Australia -- To send to the list send to glamorgan@rootsweb.com GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://home.clara.net/tirbach/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GLAMORGAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I'm new to your list and maybe someone can assist. I'm helping my brother-in-law David do research on his family. His grandmother was Emma Alberta TADD born c. 1876 married William STOWELL born c. 1853. I believe William was a widower possibly with a child or two when he married Emma Alberta in 1903 in Cardiff. David's mother was Maud Stowell born December 1913 in Cardiff. They had several children and on 1911 census, I believe William was working as a printer's machinist in St.Heliers, Jersey but Emma stayed behind in Cardiff with the 3 children at that time- William, Wyndham, Mark. I dont have a paid subscription to any of the genealogy sites - most of what I have mentioned above is through the kind help of friends. If any of the above is familiar to anyone, please contact me. Regards Angie Elfassi Israel