To celebrate my book, High Hats and Harps, Abergavenny Library is having a coffee morning on Thursday 13th June, from 10.20-12.30 with a Q & A session about 11.15. Helen. http://augustaladyllanover.coffeecup.com

** ** Dear all**** ** ** I am in possession of an old Welsh Bible, which was left a few decades ago in a commercial premises in Port Talbot. It commemorates the birth of various members of the Meyrick family - of Daniel (b. 1844) and his wife Margaret (b.1849), and their numerous children born between 1868 and 1887. I see in the 1881 census that they were living in Saron Cottages, Margam, and that all members of the family were born in that parish. If any descendants of the Meyrick family would like to claim the Bible – or if anyone else knows where it would find a good home, please contact me.**** ** ** Gethin**** ****

If anyone has an interest in Llanover, there will be a Study Day at Llanover Village Hall on Saturday June 8th from 10am to 4pm. Dr. Celyn Gurden-Williams - a talk about life on the Llanover Estate. Professor David Thorne – a talk on Welsh place names and Mick Petts – a talk about coracle making through the centuries. There will be a conducted tour of the estate later, and the day will end with music in Llanover Church. Please contact me off list for more information. Helen http://augustaladyllanover.coffeecup.com

Morning Gwen, Have you discovered where the internment registers are held for this cemetery? My best wishes, Jill Glamorgan Mailing List's website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 21 May 2013 16:35 To: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] Treharris Wesleyan Church Good afternoon to all I recently received the obituary notice for my Grandmother, Mary Ann Ellis, and although she was buried at Beechgrove Cemetery Treharris in March 1945, she was 'a member of Treharris Wesleyan Church'. I am wondering if this Church didn't have it's own graveyard and so used a part of Beechgrove? Thanks - Gwen --

Public Health concerns about overcrowded graveyards in urban areas in the 1840s meant that local councils were enabled to establish cemeteries. It is unusual to find that chapels built after that date in urban areas have burial grounds attached. I stand to be corrected, but I am not aware of any Wesleyan chapel in South Wales with a burial ground. Maybe this also reflected a Wesleyan concern with the living rather than the dead (Matthew 22:32). There may have been theological reasons why certain denominations were more likely to establish burial grounds around their chapels than others, but this list is probably not the place to discuss it. From a practical point of view, it may well have been easier to obtain a plot of land from a landowner simply for the erection of a place of worship and/or a schoolroom than it would have been to obtain it with the additional use as a burial ground. Much land in South Wales was leasehold in the 19th century, and many places of worship were originally erected on land leased for a low ground rent but with restrictive covenants to restrict the purposes for which the site might be used. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 4:34 PM Subject: [GLA] Treharris Wesleyan Church > > Good afternoon to all > > I recently received the obituary notice for my Grandmother, Mary Ann > Ellis, and although she was buried at Beechgrove Cemetery Treharris in > March 1945, she was 'a member of Treharris Wesleyan Church'. I am > wondering if this Church didn't have it's own graveyard and so used a part > of Beechgrove? > > Thanks - Gwen

I have received information from Swansea Community Boat Trust, a local charity which interprets local history, to the effect that in order to receive a significant grant for a new boat they need to raise 10% of the grant amount as 'match-funding' at short notice. Their web site is at www.scbt.org.uk The information they supply is as follows: Swansea Community Boat has a proven track record of delivery, having carried over 8,000 people in 2012 for trips along the Tawe River to view the Copper Works sites and historic Swansea Waterfront. Passengers came from schools and community groups throughout Swansea, as well as visitors to the area. This unique charitable project meets a local need within the community, whilst contributing to the regional and national strategically identified importance of the revitalisation of Swansea Waterfront within the Wales Spatial Plan. The Community Boat provides the only public access to the River Tawe, linking National Waterfront Museum, Swansea Museum Collections Centre and the Copperopolis sites at Landore. It is a partner in Swansea Museums Service "4site" curriculum-based education programme for primary schools. The Trust is developing interpretive resources and the "Floating Classroom" provides an exciting learning environment for young people. Visitors to the Waterfront also like to find out more about Swansea's varied heritage. Bookings from schools, community groups and the public are almost full to capacity. However, the key risk to the sustainable economic growth of the project is that the boat itself is not fit for purpose during periods of inclement weather. For example, 26 bookings had to be cancelled in June last year due to the flat bottomed vessel not being operable in high winds. The existing boat is also getting increasingly expensive to maintain. The Trust therefore plans to purchase a new vessel suitable for use in all weathers, so that certainty of income generation will lead to financial sustainability for this charitable enterprise. The grant from Swansea City Waste Disposal Company Limited will help make it possible to bring the benefits of the community boat project to many more people, so raising the 10% match funding is an urgent priority. The Trust would welcome the opportunity to tell you more about this exciting project. We need to raise a fairly modest amount of match funding, but the time frame is very tight as the money has to be with "Swansea City Waste Disposal Company Limited" by 30th May. We're pretty confident that we can raise about half of the match funding, but we could do with your help to find the rest. Any size donation would be very welcome. I have no connection with this organisation, but am posting this in case anyone in UK with a particular interest in this sort of project would like to find out more or to contribute. They have an email address on their web site. I have limited additional details if you contact me off-list Jeff

Further to my last email.. Well I should have kept scrolling down as these were the photographers in Abertillery where my parents lived between 1920-1923 FOX Thomas 75 Alexandra Rd, Six Bells, Abertillery 1914 FOX Thomas 83 Alexandra Rd, Six Bells, Abertillery 1920, 1923 Same question applies as previous email. Many thanks for any help. Mary

Hello Sue, and List Just reading this URL, I have noticed CUTHBERT Jsph 23 Alma St, Abertillery 1914, 1920, 1923 My Dad and Mum moved to Abertillery after their marriage in Tralee Ireland in 1919 untill 1922 when they migrated to Australia. Dad got work as a coal miner at the mine and they lived at No 4. Lancaster Villas, Abertillery, Mons where eldest brother Tom was born in 1920. I have a large wooden framed professional photo of my late father in his army attire after returning from WW1 in 1919 which has been backed by timber nailed to the back of the frame.There was also a large professional wooden framed photograph hanging on our sitting room wall of Tom, taken when he was a baby about 6-9 months old .I was born in 1933 and remember this picture as Tom was photographed in his birthday suit, with fat little legs crossed in the appropriate way to hide his dignity!! Sadly when I married in 1952, and left home Dad also moved away and at that time I was not interested in Family History so missed out on so much. When I asked about that photo of my brother Tom, after my parents and Tom had passed away, I was told by Toms widow and family they did not have it or it was lost. How can I find out who has taken over this photography business now in Abertillery to see if they have kept any of the old photo slides taken around the 1920's. The picture was about 2ft by 2ft.6 inches had a timber frame as was common in those days. Also missing another photo of my mother as a young woman which also went missing...might have been taken at the same place. Any help with names and email/snailmail addresses would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks for any help received, Kind regards, Mary in showery North Queensland Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Griffin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:36 AM Subject: [GLA] photographer in Tredegar Hi Sue, William Clayton's studio in Iron Street was included in business directories for a number of years from 1868 to 1895. CLAYTON William : Iron St, Tredegar 1868, 1871, 1880, 1891, 1895 Shown in http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/VicPhoto1.html#MON, Hope that helps! Best wishes Sue Griffin -----Original Message----- From: Susan Haines Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:14 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] photographer in Tredegar Hello, I believe Tredegar is/was in Monmouthshire but perhaps some one can help me. I just discovered some old photos of my family, taken by a W. Clayton, Iron Street, Tredegar. I am wondering when he was "in business"? If these photos are correctly labeled as to person then these people look much older than I would think they were when they were in Wales? Thank you. Sue -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good afternoon to all I recently received the obituary notice for my Grandmother, Mary Ann Ellis, and although she was buried at Beechgrove Cemetery Treharris in March 1945, she was 'a member of Treharris Wesleyan Church'. I am wondering if this Church didn't have it's own graveyard and so used a part of Beechgrove? Thanks - Gwen

As you have probably seen Susan there are some photos by Clayton online and another for sale on ebay of a mother and three children. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OLD-CDV-F1-PHOTO-W-Clayton-Iron-St-Tredegar-Victor ian-Lady-3-Children-47-/300878771081 My best wishes, Jill Glamorgan Mailing List's website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ -----Original Message----- From: Susan Haines [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 20 May 2013 15:15 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: photographer in Tredegar Hello, I believe Tredegar is/was in Monmouthshire but perhaps some one can help me. I just discovered some old photos of my family, taken by a W. Clayton, Iron Street, Tredegar. I am wondering when he was "in business"? If these photos are correctly labeled as to person then these people look much older than I would think they were when they were in Wales? Thank you. Sue

Hi Sue, William Clayton's studio in Iron Street was included in business directories for a number of years from 1868 to 1895. CLAYTON William : Iron St, Tredegar 1868, 1871, 1880, 1891, 1895 Shown in http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/VicPhoto1.html#MON, Hope that helps! Best wishes Sue Griffin -----Original Message----- From: Susan Haines Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 3:14 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] photographer in Tredegar Hello, I believe Tredegar is/was in Monmouthshire but perhaps some one can help me. I just discovered some old photos of my family, taken by a W. Clayton, Iron Street, Tredegar. I am wondering when he was "in business"? If these photos are correctly labeled as to person then these people look much older than I would think they were when they were in Wales? Thank you. Sue -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hear hear!! Thank you to Beth, Steve and, of course, Ron. Angela -----Original Message----- From: Edward Llewellyn-Jones Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:35 AM To: glamorgan Subject: [GLA] Subject: POWELL family update A big congratulations to Ron for putting all the information together which has been such a help to the many of us who connect to his wider family. On this occasion and even bigger congratulations to Beth for her superb detective work among the electronic material held by the NLW. Edward -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all I have finally been able to establish that my Grandmother, Mary Ann Ellis was buried at Beechgrove cemetery in Treharris in March 1945 - I believe that the records are held in Merthyr tydfil (wish I had known that last week whilst I was in Wales) but am wondering if anyone has access otherwise to these records? Many thanks Gwen

Once again many thanks for all  your interest. I have now decided to try and find any records for maintenance orders for illegitimate children where the mother was trying through the Court to obtain money for upkeep of child. However this may be very difficult indeed. to achieve.   There is also the likelihood that  Lettice Peregrine had become pregnant in Pembrokeshire before moving on to Aberdare and  Dowlais.  She had two sisters in those areas and may be had to go to them  for care and sustenance.   In that case I shall need to look at Pembrokeshire Archives. for any court orders.   In 1851 she was a dairy maid at a large farm in Templeton, Narberth Pembs.  That leaves me with the puzzle regarding Italian Spanish ancestors!!   Yvonne ________________________________ From: Jeff Coleman <[email protected]> To: ANNE EVANS <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Saturday, 18 May 2013, 0:00 Subject: Re: [GLA] spanish and Italians at merthyr Let's broaden the possibilities. I know of little evidence of Spanish or Italians at Merthyr as early as 1850s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vale_of_Neath_Railway shows that the Vale of Neath Railway connected Neath with Aberdare and Merthyr by 1853. Neath and Swansea were on the GWR main line from 1850 I seem to recall. Shipping arrivals in Swansea from northern France - particularly Nantes in early 1850s with wheat and oats and from Spain with copper ore were fairly frequent, as were ships from Cuba and Chile with copper ore(though those were very largely British ships with British crews). There were a huge number of pubs along the Strand and elsewhere in the town of Swansea, and they and other establishments thrived on entertaining newly-paid mariners just back from the sea.  I can't remember whether there was evidence where Lettice was in 1851. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANNE EVANS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: [GLA] spanish and Italians at merthyr Hi List, Many thanks for all your replies concerning Italian and Spanish immigrants to Merthyr(slight possibility one of whom was my g.g. grandfather!) To save headaches in general re this, can you tell me where I could obtain records of any court cases where Lettice could have sued the father of her child Anne for money for upkeep of Anne? Anne was born Aberdare but the father could have been Merthyr as Lettice had relatives she could go to at Aberdare for the birth of baby. The year would have been 1854. - child Anne Peregrine and mother Lettice Peregrine. I am still involved in tracing who the Peregrines were who settled in North Pembrokeshire about 1700's - that is another story!!! My father was a very dark man as was my uncle his brother. However that colouring could have come from other ancestors. Many thanks for all your interest Yvonne

Hello, I believe Tredegar is/was in Monmouthshire but perhaps some one can help me. I just discovered some old photos of my family, taken by a W. Clayton, Iron Street, Tredegar. I am wondering when he was "in business"? If these photos are correctly labeled as to person then these people look much older than I would think they were when they were in Wales? Thank you. Sue

A big congratulations to Ron for putting all the information together which has been such a help to the many of us who connect to his wider family. On this occasion and even bigger congratulations to Beth for her superb detective work among the electronic material held by the NLW. Edward

Hello Rosemary, I don't know how your man got to Norway, but there is a fascinating book about the little boats taking people and supplies over to Norway from Scotland during the war. It is called the Shetland Bus, by David Howarth. I have a copy, if I can look anything up for you. Regards, Helen http://www.abebooks.co.uk/book-search/title/the-shetland-bus-wwii-epic-of-escape-survival-and-adventure/author/howarth-david/sortby/3/page-1/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 11:20:43 +0200 From: <[email protected]> Subject: [GLA] David Hibbert - solved! To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi listers, A few months ago I sent a request about this man from Nantymoel who had fought in Norway in 1940. I was looking for descendants or other relatives. Well, we?ve found his son, plus other relatives, so are very pleased, and wouldn?t have done it before the age of Internet! Thanks to all who gave us feedback. Regards Rosemary Knutsen ------------------------------

Dear Susan, Regarding your second question, Bartholomew and Matthew are not generally interchangeable. In the cases you cite, the use of one or the other is an example of the tendency for Irish men, at least in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, to use one or other of two forenames. One forename was the baptismal name (from 1864 onwards, also the name likely to be found on the civil registration birth certificate); the other was usually the father's name. In censuses, on marriage and death certificates, and when they are named in Catholic church records other than their own baptismal record, either name may be found. Until the late nineteenth century relatively few males in Ireland received two names at baptism or civil registration of birth. For those born earlier, the second name was informal and only rarely were both names used at the same time. The reason for using the father's forename instead of the baptismal name was to distinguish between first cousins with the same name. Since first sons were named after their paternal grandfathers there might be half a dozen or more cousins with the same name. So was your Mr Curran baptized Bartholomew or Matthew? Well he may have been the son of a Matthew and baptized Bartholomew or the son of a Bartholomew and baptized Matthew. Without the baptismal records it's only possible to guess. Best wishes, Seán (whose mother refused to call him Cornelius after his paternal grandfather) ________________________________ From: Susan Haines <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 5:16 AM Subject: [GLA] Bartholomew/ Matthew Curran Hello, Does anyone "know" a Bartholomew or Matthew Curran?  He was born in Ireland about 1843; I think Kerry, but am only guessing.  He married Mary Grady (daughter of John and Bridget Shea Grady) in 1867.  She was born in Kerry, Ireland in 1845 or so.  They had one daughter, Mary, in Dowlais in 1868, and they went to New Haven, CT where they had more children: Michael, Katie (about whom I know much more), Denise, Nellie and Bridget.  I would like to know where in Ireland Bartholomew came from, as I hope it might direct me to where Gradys and Sheas came from? I have another question: was it "common" to interchange the names Bartholomew and Matthew?  I have seen Mr. Curran's name as both. There are two others in my family with those names - my 3rd great uncle (I know almost nothing about my 3rd great grandfather who seems to have abandoned the family) and his son.  Sometimes they are Bartholomew and some times Matthew and it isn't entirely just to keep them separate from each other. Thank you.  Sue --

Hi listers, A few months ago I sent a request about this man from Nantymoel who had fought in Norway in 1940. I was looking for descendants or other relatives. Well, we’ve found his son, plus other relatives, so are very pleased, and wouldn’t have done it before the age of Internet! Thanks to all who gave us feedback. Regards Rosemary Knutsen

Hi Ron I still have the book, send me your queries off list. Not sure whether there are any copies of the book left for sale (there were a couple of years ago) but if you are interested I might be able to dig out the email address of the original seller. Gareth Hicks Genuki Wales http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/ Gareth's Help Page http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html Cwmgors a'r Waun http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cwmgors/Waun.html -----Original Message----- From: Ron Davies Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 6:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] Monks to Millennium, the Story of the Village of Cillfriw The index to the subject book, which Gareth put up on GenUKI in 2002, indicates that there are some references to people who are of great interest to me (i.e. ancestors of mine). If anyone has a copy of this book and is prepared to do a couple of specific look-ups for me (thanks to Gareth I have the page numbers!) I would very much appreciate it if you could contact me off-List. Best regards Ron -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message