Have a look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/MichaelstoneYFedw/ . Llanfedw is/was a sub-division of Michaelstone-y-fedw parish in Monmouthshire, but Llanfedw was on the Cardiff side of the Rumney river, including Ruperra Castle. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llanishen/ParishMap.html shows that Llanfedw is/was NE of Llanedeyrn parish and Lisvane parish, E of Rudry and S of Machen. As in 1851 he was living near the Maenllwyd in Rudry he hadn't moved very far As for Whitecross, translating into Welsh suggests it might be Groeswen in Eglwysilan parish, on the slopes of Mynydd Eglwysilan between Nantgarw and Hendredenny. As his two younger siblings were born in Caerphilly that seems possible. In 1891 it is written as Cross Vane and the younger sister is shown &do Eglwysilan parish. In 1901 he says he was born in Eglwysilan and in 1911 he says he was born in Bedwas, which was where his elder sister Cinderella was born, according to 1881 census. You can see Groes-wen in the area marked 81A on the map at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llanfabon/ParishMap.html Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 6:56 PM Subject: [GLA] Lanvedaw Glamorgan. Greetings all. I found a birth place for one of my cousin's ancestors as "Lanvedaw", in Glamorgan. Does anyone know where this place is please? From the 1851 census. Obviously a misprint for somewhere perhaps. As I am looking for the birthplace of a Charles CROSS who was born in the above place around abouts 1782. He was in Rudry in the 1851 census. Another place is "Whitecross" Glamorgan. This is where a Joseph CROSS was born in about 1870. This from the Mormon's 1881 census disc. Cheers Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff. -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Grahan Sorry forgot about Whitecross. I struggled with this until I thought of Groes Wen, west of Caerphilly, in the parish of Eglwys Ilan. (I delivered the post there one Christmas long ago!) All the best Anna At 18:56 15/07/2013, Robert Williams wrote: >Greetings all. >I found a birth place for one of my cousin's ancestors as >"Lanvedaw", in Glamorgan. >Does anyone know where this place is please? From the 1851 census. >Obviously a misprint for somewhere perhaps. > >As I am looking for the birthplace of a Charles CROSS who was born >in the above place around abouts 1782. > >He was in Rudry in the 1851 census. > >Another place is "Whitecross" Glamorgan. >This is where a Joseph CROSS was born in about 1870. >This from the Mormon's 1881 census disc. > >Cheers Graham. > >Graham Williams, >Glam;FHS# 551. >of Canton,Cardiff. >-- > >To send to the list send to [email protected] >GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >- >This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ >- >A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, >may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > >- >The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robert Llanfedw is a township in Michaelstone-y-fedw parish, NE of Cardiff on the River Rumney (according to Vision of Britain) Best wishes Anna At 18:56 15/07/2013, Robert Williams wrote: >Greetings all. >I found a birth place for one of my cousin's ancestors as >"Lanvedaw", in Glamorgan. >Does anyone know where this place is please? From the 1851 census. >Obviously a misprint for somewhere perhaps. > >As I am looking for the birthplace of a Charles CROSS who was born >in the above place around abouts 1782. > >He was in Rudry in the 1851 census. > >Another place is "Whitecross" Glamorgan. >This is where a Joseph CROSS was born in about 1870. >This from the Mormon's 1881 census disc. > >Cheers Graham. > >Graham Williams, >Glam;FHS# 551. >of Canton,Cardiff. >-- > >To send to the list send to [email protected] >GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >- >This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ >- >A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, >may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > >- >The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings all. I found a birth place for one of my cousin's ancestors as "Lanvedaw", in Glamorgan. Does anyone know where this place is please?  From the 1851 census. Obviously a misprint for somewhere perhaps.   As I am looking for the birthplace of a Charles CROSS who was born in the above place around abouts 1782.   He was in Rudry in the 1851 census.    Another place is "Whitecross" Glamorgan. This is where a Joseph CROSS was born in  about 1870. This from the Mormon's 1881 census disc.   Cheers Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff.

Angela, FreeBMD has her birth as Davina M WILLIAMS. There are two possible marriages: Marriages Mar 1954 Williams Davina M Curtis Basingstoke 6b 253 Marriages Dec 1954 WILLIAMS Davinia M LOWERY Newcastle T. 1b 186 If you are sure she was known as Davinia, then the one in Newcastle upon Tyne is the most likely. There are too many Frances J WILLIAMS to make any sensible guess. Dai On 15/07/2013 15:22, Angela Reed wrote: > My gtgrandfather Solomon Rood and his wife Mary (nee Ham) moved from High Ham > Somerset to Pontypridd, Wales. Solomon is in the 1871 census in Greinton, > Somerset, England as a Lodger and he married Mary Ham 03 Jan 1873 in Wells, > Somerset. By the 1881 census they are now living in Llanfabon, Glamorgan, > Wales. In 1886 Solomon left is wife and moved to Australia. His girlfriend and > sons followed 6 months later, leaving Mary behind in Wales. > > One of Solomon's brothers, Sampson (Samson)lived in High Ham until after his > marriage to Susan Sweet in 1888 then they are both shown in the 1901 census as > living in Roath, Glamorgan, Wales. They live there and have John, Minnie, John, > Daisy, Florence and Minnie. Florence is born in 1897 and from what I can find > marries Stephen Cardwell in 1917 and then remarries David Cornelius Williams in > 1938. Florence and David have 2 children: Davinia 1931 and Frances 1936. > > I would like to know if anyone can help me in finding out any information about > Davinia and Frances. > > Angela

My gtgrandfather Solomon Rood and his wife Mary (nee Ham) moved from High Ham Somerset to Pontypridd, Wales. Solomon is in the 1871 census in Greinton, Somerset, England as a Lodger and he married Mary Ham 03 Jan 1873 in Wells, Somerset. By the 1881 census they are now living in Llanfabon, Glamorgan, Wales. In 1886 Solomon left is wife and moved to Australia. His girlfriend and sons followed 6 months later, leaving Mary behind in Wales. One of Solomon's brothers, Sampson (Samson)lived in High Ham until after his marriage to Susan Sweet in 1888 then they are both shown in the 1901 census as living in Roath, Glamorgan, Wales. They live there and have John, Minnie, John, Daisy, Florence and Minnie. Florence is born in 1897 and from what I can find marries Stephen Cardwell in 1917 and then remarries David Cornelius Williams in 1938. Florence and David have 2 children: Davinia 1931 and Frances 1936. I would like to know if anyone can help me in finding out any information about Davinia and Frances. Angela

Glamorgan FHS will be represented at the SWAG (South West Area Group) Fair in the Winter Gardens, Weston-super-Mare If you have any Glamorgan queries come along and see if we can help. We will also have our publications as well as local and family history books for sale. If you have ancestors from the South West of England, South Wales, etc, this is the place to come to as many family history societies will be in attendance. There are also representatives from FindMyPast and Ancestry as well as many other commercial companies. You could always go for a swim or a walk on the pier as well! Rosemary Smith

Hi Graham The following entries look promising for the families of Isaac CROSS, Louisa WILLIAMS and Mary BURT. 1841 HO107 Piece 1414 Book 2 ED8 Folio 16 Page 3 Eglwysilan, Caerphilly, Glamorgan Charles CROSS, 50, Ag Lab, Y Susanah CROSS, 40, Y Isaac CROSS, 10, Y Ann CROSS, 9, Y William CROSS, 5, Y Edward CROSS, 3, Y 1851 HO107 Piece 2454 Folio 173 Page 11 Sch 42 Rudry, Caerphilly, Glamorgan Charles CROSS, Head, Mar, 69, Labourer, b Glam Lanvedaw(?) Susana CROSS, Wife, Mar, 49, b Glam Whitchurch William CROSS, Son, 14, b Glam Lanvedaw(?) Edward CROSS, Son, 12, b Monmouth Machen Benjamin CROSS, Son, 10, b Glam Eglwysilan Isaac CROSS, Son, 6, b Glam Eglwysilan 1841 HO107 Piece 751 Book 2 ED25 Folio 17 Page 10 Machen Upper, Mynyddyslwyn, Newport, Monmouth Joseph WILLIAMS, 30, Labourer, Y Mary WILLIAMS, 30, Y Ann WILLIAMS, 9months, Y 1851 HO107 Piece 2453 Folio 537 Page 42 Sch 151 Upper Machen, Newport, Monmouth Joseph WILLIAMS, Head, Mar, 43, Labourer, b Bedwas Mon Mary WILLIAMS, Wife, Mar, 43, b Machen Mon Ann WILLIAMS, Daur, 11, b Machen Mon Sarah WILLIAMS, Daur, 7, b Machen Mon Harriet WILLIAMS, Daur, 5, b Machen Mon Louisa WILLIAMS, Daur, 4, b Machen Mon Jacob WILLIAMS, Son, 1, b Machen Mon 1861 RG9 Piece 4027 Folio 84 Page 22 Sch 122 Upper Machen, Mynyddyslwyn, Newport, Mon Henry HARRIS, Head, Mar, 70, Wood Cutter, b Upper Machen Mon Mary HARRIS, Wife, Mar, 65, b Upper Machen Mon Joseph WILLIAMS, Visitor, Mar, 53, Ag Lab, b Bedwas Mon 1871 RG10 Piece 5353 Folio 73 Page 1 Sch 4 Upper Bedwas, Mynyddyslwyn, Newport, Mon John MORGAN, Head, Mar, 29, Coal Tipper, b Raglan Mon Sarah MORGAN, Wife, Mar, 28, b Bedwas Mon Jacob MORGAN, Son, 3, b Bedwas Mon Joseph WILLIAMS, Lodger, Widower, 62, Labourer, b Bedwas Mon Cinderella WILLIAMS, Granddau, 3, b Bedwas Mon 1881 RG11 Piece 5274 Folio 54 Page 67 Sch 329 Upper Machen, Mynyddyslwyn, Newport, Mon Jane HARRIES, Head, Wid, 73, b Mon Machen Joseph WILLIAMS, Boarder, Wid, 73, b Mon Myny..... William LEWIS, Lodger, Wid, 35, Labourer Tin Works, b Mon Bedwas 1881 RG11 Piece 5284 Folio 131 Page 30 Sch 135 69 Elm St, Roath, Cardiff, Glamorgan Alfred BURT, Head, Mar, 36, Painter, b Somerset Bath Margaret BURT, Wife, Mar, 33, b Pembroke Haverfordwest Charles BURT, Son, 12, Scholar, b Glamorgan Cardiff Harriett BURT, Daur, 10, Scholar, b Glamorgan Cardiff Thomas BURT, Son, 8, Scholar, b Glamorgan Cardiff Jane BURT, Daur, 6, Scholar, b Glamorgan Cardiff William BURT, Son, 3, b Glamorgan Cardiff Samuel BURT, Father, Mar, 73, Boot Closer, b Somerset Bath Mary BURT, Mother, Mar, 66, b Somerset Bath William BURT, Brother, Unm, 30, News agent, b Somerset Bath Joseph BURT, Brother, Unm, 28, Shoemaker, b Somerset Bath 1891 RG12 Piece 4385 Folio 104 Page 32 Sch 181 33 Daniel St, Cathays, Cardiff, Glamorgan Alfred BURT, Head, Mar, 47, Painter and Paper Hanger, b Bath Margaret BURT, Wife, Mar, 43, b Portfield Pembrokeshire Missy BURT, Daur, S, 21, b Cardiff Thomas BURT, Son, S, 18, Painter and Paper Hanger, b Cardiff Jenny BURT,Daur, S, 16, b Cardiff William BURT, Son, S, 13, b Cardiff Rose BURT, Daur, 9, b Cardiff Mary BURT,Daur, 7, b Cardiff Elizabeth BURT, Daur, 7, b Cardiff Samuel BURT, Son, 4, b Cardiff Alfred BURT, Son, 3, b Cardiff Maggie BURT, Daur, 2, b Cardiff 1901 RG13 Piece 4977 Folio 13 Page 18 Sch 114 29 Manor St, Cathays, Cardiff, Glamorgan Alfred BURT, Head, Mar, 56, House Painter, b Glos Bath Margaret BURT, Wife, Mar, 53, b Pembrokeshire Haverfordwest Thomas BURT, Son, S, 28, House Painter, b Glam Cardiff William BURT, Son, S, 23, House Painter, b Glam Cardiff Samuel BURT, Son, S, 15, Apprentice Painter, b Glam Cardiff Alfred BURT, Son, S, 13, b Glam Cardiff Mary BURT, Daur, S, 16, b Glam Cardiff Maggie BURT, Daur, S, 12, b Glam Cardiff Nellie BURT, Daur, S, 9, b Glam Cardiff Harriett STEVENS, Daur, Mar, 31, b Glam Cardiff Fred STEVENS, Gr son, S, 3, b Glam Cardiff Phillipa STEVENS, Gr daur, S, 6, b Glam Cardiff I'll look for the BURT family on earlier census returns later. Hope this helps. Ann -----Original Message----- From: Robert Williams Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] CROSS of Eglwysilan. Greetings to all. That was a close shave! I didn't need to splash out on a Marriage or Birth Certificate after. So Saved myself some cash. >From further information from my Cousin's family,we are now certain that >the family we are after is the one that was in 28,Albany Street,Miskin,Mountain Ash Glam;for the 1911 census. The head of the household being Isaac CROSS who was aged 31 in 1911 born at Ynyshir,Glam; I then found him in 1881 aged 1 with his parents and siblings at 193 Dinas Concrete,Llantrisant,Glam; His parents being Benjamin CROSS and Louisa,[nee WILLIAMS,married at Pontypridd district in 1869.] Benjamin was born in Cardiff according to the 1881 census. There was a Birth Registration for a possible candidate, in one who was born in the September Quarter of 1841 in Cardiff. I then found on Family Search,one who was born at Eglwysilan in about 1841. He wasn't in Cardiff however in the 1851,and I found him as a Servant,or "Carter"at Julians Farm Llanedyrn aged 18 in 1861. Getting back to Isaac CROSS. He married Mary BURT also spelt BIRT[on Free BMD;]in Cardiff September quarter of 1907. She was born in Cardiff in about 1884. So Lookups need for the CROSS's in the 1841,51 censuses. Ditto for the BURT's Louisa WILLIAMS above was born in Machen in about 1847. In the index for the 1851 census there was one aged 4 in Machen,Monmouthshire. Cheers Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff.

Greetings to all. That was a close shave! I didn't need to splash out on a Marriage or Birth Certificate after. So Saved myself some cash. From further information from my Cousin's family,we are now certain that the family we are after is the one that was in 28,Albany Street,Miskin,Mountain Ash Glam;for the 1911 census. The head of the household being Isaac CROSS who was aged 31 in 1911 born at Ynyshir,Glam;   I then found him in 1881 aged 1 with his parents and siblings at 193 Dinas Concrete,Llantrisant,Glam; His parents being Benjamin CROSS and Louisa,[nee WILLIAMS,married  at Pontypridd district in 1869.]   Benjamin was born in Cardiff according to the 1881 census. There was a Birth Registration for a possible candidate, in one who was born in the September Quarter of 1841 in Cardiff. I then found on Family Search,one who was born at Eglwysilan in about 1841.   He wasn't in Cardiff however in the 1851,and I found him as a Servant,or "Carter"at Julians Farm Llanedyrn aged 18 in 1861.   Getting back to Isaac CROSS. He married Mary BURT also spelt BIRT[on Free BMD;]in Cardiff September quarter of 1907. She was born in Cardiff in about 1884.   So Lookups need for the CROSS's in the 1841,51 censuses. Ditto for the BURT's   Louisa WILLIAMS above was born in Machen in about 1847. In the index for the 1851 census there was one aged 4 in Machen,Monmouthshire.   Cheers Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff.

I have received information about a Merthyr Tydfil Historical Forum free event entitled Early Industrial Merthyr Tydfil at the Dowlais Guest Club, 10.30 am to 3.00 pm . Doors open 10am Professor Chris Evans will speak on Merthyr's World Importance, Richard Lewis on Archaeological Discoveries and Joe England on Strikes and Industrial Conflict. There will be a complimentary buffet lunch. Admission free by registration. To book your space please contact on Telephone (01685) 725469 or Email [email protected] I have no connection with the organisation of this event, which is organised by SHARE. While it is not a Family History event, I suspect many list members will have ancestors who were associated with the iron industry and associated mining industries in the area. Jeff (my great-grandfather was born in Dowlais, son of an 'engine tender'.)

I have thanked both Jan and Wendy for the two 1911 census entries of the CROSS families. It seems my next step is the Register office. Can someone please tell me[and others on here,I expect?] How much is the Marriage Certificate these days, and is the Register office in Cardiff still in the City Hall?   Many Thanks, Graham. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff.

Dear Mary, I have often driven past this house en route to visit my son who lives in Carmarthenshire. If you need a photo I will stop off next time I pass, but it may be a while. It is on the main road between Brecon and Llandeilo, and stands alone as far as I recall. Best wishes, Wendy

Hi Robert, Here is Albert G Cross in the 1911 census. CROSS, Isaac Head Married M 31 1880 Coal Miner Hewer Ynyshir Glm CROSS, Mary Wife Married F 27 1884 Cardiff CROSS, Albert G Son M 2 1909 Mountain Ash CROSS, Charles E Son M 0 (8 MONTHS) 1911 Penrhiwceiber RG number: RG14 Piece: 32288 Reference: RG14PN32288 RG78PN1851 RD589 SD2 ED42 SN226 Registration District: Pontypridd Sub District: Llanwonno Enumeration District: 42 Parish: Llanwonno Address: 28 Albany St, Miskin, Mountain Ash County: Glamorganshire ------------------ Then there is this Albert Cross which the census have him down as being born in 1910, but as you know the ages/year of birth on the census are sometimes wrong. CROSS, Ivor Head Married M 33 1878 Labourer Rudry CROSS, Ellen Jane Wife Married13 years F 34 1877 Pentyrch CROSS, William Son M 12 1899 School Rudry CROSS, Stanley Son M 9 1902 School Rudry CROSS, John Son M 7 1904 School Glamorganshire Crerg CROSS, Brinley Son M 6 1905 School Glamorganshire Crerg CROSS, Albert Son M 1 1910 Glamorganshire Crerg CROSS, Mary Ann Daughter F 0 1911 Glamorganshire Crerg RG number: RG14 Piece: 32231 Reference: RG14PN32231 RG78PN1850 RD589 SD1 ED21 SN175 Registration District: Pontypridd Sub District: Eglwysilan Enumeration District: 21 Parish: Eglwysilan Address: The Warren Caerphilly County: Glamorganshire Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:04 PM Subject: [GLA] CROSS in Pontypridd. Hi all. Her father was Albert George CROSS born on the 12th;of July 1909. We don't know where,But there are two of them registered in Pontypridd in the September quarter of 1909. Can somebody please look in the 1911 census for me? Just to see if both of them survived or not? If they did,then its a "Marriage Certificate" from Cardiff register office. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff. --

Hi all. This is for my first cousin who lives in Heathcote, New South Wales.   Her father was Albert George CROSS born on the 12th;of July 1909. We don't know where,But there are two of them registered in Pontypridd in the September quarter of 1909.   Can somebody please look in the 1911 census for me? Just to see if both of them survived or not? If they did,then its a "Marriage  Certificate" from  Cardiff register office.   He married my Auntie Lena,[Helena Margaret WHITE] in Cardiff in the sept;quarter of 1938.   Lena being my Mum's sister. Graham Williams, Glam;FHS# 551. of Canton,Cardiff.

Try Welsh Newspapers Online: http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=4723 Hope your search is successful. Pamela Marsden -----Original Message----- From: Mary JR Gilchrist Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 1:39 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] Tarian y Gweithwyr A colleague found the obituary of my great great grandmother in the 22 December 1904 of Tarian y Gweithwyr. She was Elleanor Jones Evans and she had died 26 November 1904 in Williamsburg Iowa, USA. She was born in Halfway House near Talley, Carmarthenshire in 1822. She joined the Baptist Chapel in Cwmifor near Llandeilo at the age of 18. On November 12, 1845 she was married to David R Evans . They are found in Treaman, Aberdare in 1851 where he is a lime burner. In 1861 they are at 56 Cardiff Road in Aberdare and he is a haulier with four living children plus a "boarder" by the name of Ann Jones age 72 from Talley who proves to be the mother of Elleanor. David was a deacon of the Gwawr Baptist Chapel in Aberman. He was putatively born 25 Mar 1818 in Salem near Llandeilo, the son of Daniel and one of ten children. In 1869, they emigrated to Iowa. The obituary was invaluable to learning Elleanor's parentage, John and Ann Jones and learning of two of her siblings Mary of Cwmtwrch and Rachel who was the widow of George Morgans of Aberaman, Aberdare. If the family submitted an obituary for their mother in 1904, it seems likely that they did so far their father who died 22 April 1898. The information about the children may be useful for a search especially their daughter Ann Shelby or Selby of Adair Iowa, but also Reese D. Evans, David D Evans and Maggie Williams whose surnames are more common and their place of living more variable. Is the Tairan y Gweithwyr searchable via the internet? Thanks, Mary Gilchrist -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6475 - Release Date: 07/08/13

Hi Bob, Thanks for your response, I kept your previous email of some years ago re Harman John and do refer to it This is a difficult family to follow and I'm still confused about the patronymic naming pattern Cheers Denis Edwards

Hi Robert, Thanks heaps for this look up I was having trouble resolving this marriage is Margam BUT Edmond being from Whitchurch clears this up. Interestingly, think I have found Ann [David] Harman aged 80 in the 1851 census living with her daughter Ann Thomas and her husband William Thomas. She gives her birthplace as St Fagans Cheers Denis Edwards

A colleague found the obituary of my great great grandmother in the 22 December 1904 of Tarian y Gweithwyr. She was Elleanor Jones Evans and she had died 26 November 1904 in Williamsburg Iowa, USA. She was born in Halfway House near Talley, Carmarthenshire in 1822. She joined the Baptist Chapel in Cwmifor near Llandeilo at the age of 18. On November 12, 1845 she was married to David R Evans . They are found in Treaman, Aberdare in 1851 where he is a lime burner. In 1861 they are at 56 Cardiff Road in Aberdare and he is a haulier with four living children plus a "boarder" by the name of Ann Jones age 72 from Talley who proves to be the mother of Elleanor. David was a deacon of the Gwawr Baptist Chapel in Aberman. He was putatively born 25 Mar 1818 in Salem near Llandeilo, the son of Daniel and one of ten children. In 1869, they emigrated to Iowa. The obituary was invaluable to learning Elleanor's parentage, John and Ann Jones and learning of two of her siblings Mary of Cwmtwrch and Rachel who was the widow of George Morgans of Aberaman, Aberdare. If the family submitted an obituary for their mother in 1904, it seems likely that they did so far their father who died 22 April 1898. The information about the children may be useful for a search especially their daughter Ann Shelby or Selby of Adair Iowa, but also Reese D. Evans, David D Evans and Maggie Williams whose surnames are more common and their place of living more variable. Is the Tairan y Gweithwyr searchable via the internet? Thanks, Mary Gilchrist

Bear in mind that the patronymic system was still often used in Glamorgan in 18th century. The Harman family certainly did use it and a lot of the Harmans are descended from Harman John who was married at least three times and possibly four. One of his wives was a relative of mine but they had no children. However he did have several children by his first & I think his second wife who all had Harman as a surname. Bob Sanders

I haven't seen a response to this Irene. they were at Piece: 1421 Book/Folio: 5/12 Page: 16 Registration District: Neath Civil Parish: Cadoxton Still in Blaenhonddan, Jane was recorded as Jennet: JENKIN, Thomas M 42 1799 JENKIN, Elizabeth F 44 1797 JENKIN, David M 15 1826 JENKIN, Gwenllian F 12 1829 JENKIN, Mary F 10 1831 JENKIN, Jennet F 7 1834 JENKIN, William M 4 1837 Dai On 04/07/2013 16:29, irene moores wrote: > Hello, I'm back, Corfu was HOT. > > Could sks please locate Jane Jenkins aged 6 years in 1841, with parents Thomas and Elizabeth Jenkins, also with brothers David and William. They were all in Cadoxton Juxta Neath in 1851. > cheerio. Irene