Thanks to all who helped with information for Alfred and Hannah/Annie FORD. It's great to have people with more knowledge and tidbits of information lend a helping hand to my search. I am curious about one other thing with regard to these two parents. According the freebmd they both died the same year at a relatively young age. Was some disease going around the Cardiff area in 1906 that might have caused their deaths so close to each other? Thanks again. JoLynn Barneck

Sorry List I must have doubled clicked when posting the link for the website. Came across a wonderful website of Chapels, lots of information and some wonderful photo's. http://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com <http://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com/%3Ehttp://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com> Cymanfa Bedyddwyr Dwyrain Morgannwg East Glamorgan Baptist Association Regards Jane ( W. Auss)

Dear List, Came across a wonderful website of Chapels, lots of information and some wonderful photo's. <http://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com/>http://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com Cymanfa Bedyddwyr Dwyrain Morgannwg East Glamorgan Baptist Association Regards Jane ( W. Auss)

That is a nice site - shame that the other Associations have not done similar. I have met the person - the awareness officer - who collected the information for the site and he did so by contacting the chapels themselves. Not sure whether there will be any additions since he was on a hiatus from his main employment and that was a year or so ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Muir" <[email protected]> To: "'janealogy'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] East Glamorgan Baptist Association > Hi Jane, > The earlier message was fine, and I have just been viewing the site via > your > link on that message. It is as you say, a great site, but would have > liked > to have known if more images are to be displayed in future and the actual > source of the information. Ie. The chapels themselves or the East > Glamorgan > Baptist Union? Being picky really, as the photos are great and lovely and > clear. > > Jill > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of janealogy > Sent: 03 September 2013 09:41 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [GLA] East Glamorgan Baptist Association > > > Sorry List I must have doubled clicked when posting the link for the > website. > > Came across a wonderful website of Chapels, lots of information and some > wonderful photo's. > http://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com > <http://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com/%3Ehttp://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com> > > Cymanfa Bedyddwyr Dwyrain Morgannwg > East Glamorgan Baptist Association > Regards > Jane ( W. Auss) > > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family > History > Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jane, The earlier message was fine, and I have just been viewing the site via your link on that message. It is as you say, a great site, but would have liked to have known if more images are to be displayed in future and the actual source of the information. Ie. The chapels themselves or the East Glamorgan Baptist Union? Being picky really, as the photos are great and lovely and clear. Jill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of janealogy Sent: 03 September 2013 09:41 To: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] East Glamorgan Baptist Association Sorry List I must have doubled clicked when posting the link for the website. Came across a wonderful website of Chapels, lots of information and some wonderful photo's. http://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com <http://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com/%3Ehttp://www.cymanfabedyddwyrdm.com> Cymanfa Bedyddwyr Dwyrain Morgannwg East Glamorgan Baptist Association Regards Jane ( W. Auss) -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Further to the discussion. There used to be such a thing as an affiliation order. Wikipedia has details. The Bastardy Act of 1845, and subsequent legislation applied.

JoLynn, I have a number of examples where familiar and formal forms of names were interchanged, so I would be quite confident that Flory and Florence were one and the same, and Hannah and Annie are also regularly interchanged. Dai On 03/09/2013 04:32, Jeff & Jolynn Barneck wrote: > To Dai and Ann, > > Thank you so much for this information AND for the copies of the two different census records. Now my question is about the names Annie and Hannah. > > I did find the baptismal record of Flory with parents Alfred Evan and Annie Ford. I figured these must have been two different women, therefore two different marriages with different men with the same name. Are these names interchangeable so that even on a baptismal record, Annie would be written for Hannah? And would Flory have been the name for Florence, even on a baptismal record? That would seem to be more of an official name there although the census record has a more formal version of the names. > > As far as a record of their marriage, what would the options have been in 1887? Both of these people were living in or close to Penarth. His family had quite a lot of connection with mariner-related activities. And if a child was baptized in the local church, it seems like they would have chosen the local church to be married in. > > Thanks again for all the help from both of you. > > JoLynn Barneck > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 02:08:48 +0000 > From: Jeff & Jolynn Barneck <[email protected]> > Subject: [GLA] Alfred Evan FORD and Hannah SADLER > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]ook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. > > I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. > > Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would really appreciate the help, if it's available. > > Thank you. > > JoLynn Barneck > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 07:04:49 +0100 > From: Dai & Angela Bevan <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GLA] Alfred Evan FORD and Hannah SADLER > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > JoLynn, > I cannot find a marriage, but in 1891, at 12 John St., Penarth, there are: > > FORD, Alfred E Head Married M 37 Boatman born Cardiff > FORD, Hannah Wife Married F 29 born Penarth > FORD, Florence Daughter F 3 born Penarth > > RG12/ 4402 /141 p53. > > Flory FORD , parents Alfred Evan and Annie was baptised 25 Aug 1887 at > Penarth. > > > Dai > >

To Dai and Ann, Thank you so much for this information AND for the copies of the two different census records. Now my question is about the names Annie and Hannah. I did find the baptismal record of Flory with parents Alfred Evan and Annie Ford. I figured these must have been two different women, therefore two different marriages with different men with the same name. Are these names interchangeable so that even on a baptismal record, Annie would be written for Hannah? And would Flory have been the name for Florence, even on a baptismal record? That would seem to be more of an official name there although the census record has a more formal version of the names. As far as a record of their marriage, what would the options have been in 1887? Both of these people were living in or close to Penarth. His family had quite a lot of connection with mariner-related activities. And if a child was baptized in the local church, it seems like they would have chosen the local church to be married in. Thanks again for all the help from both of you. JoLynn Barneck ________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 02:08:48 +0000 From: Jeff & Jolynn Barneck <[email protected]> Subject: [GLA] Alfred Evan FORD and Hannah SADLER To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]ook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would really appreciate the help, if it's available. Thank you. JoLynn Barneck ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 07:04:49 +0100 From: Dai & Angela Bevan <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GLA] Alfred Evan FORD and Hannah SADLER To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed JoLynn, I cannot find a marriage, but in 1891, at 12 John St., Penarth, there are: FORD, Alfred E Head Married M 37 Boatman born Cardiff FORD, Hannah Wife Married F 29 born Penarth FORD, Florence Daughter F 3 born Penarth RG12/ 4402 /141 p53. Flory FORD , parents Alfred Evan and Annie was baptised 25 Aug 1887 at Penarth. Dai

One of my gt. grandmothers appears as Hannah in all official records, but was known as Anna to the family, and Anna on her headstone. Another odd thing, when her husband registered her death in childbirth and their daughter's birth [my grandmother] Gran's date of birth was the day after her mother's death! I can only assume he was muddled by grief. Wendy

1881 census at 17 John Street (second household at that address) Penarth Alfred Ford Head Mar 26 Fireman on P.S.Ship b Glamorgan,Cardiff Annie Ford Wife Mar 19 b Glamorgan Penarth You will recall that there were two other names on the same GRO ref number in March 1881 marriages, William Henry Pearn and Emma Jane Sadler, besides Alfred Evan Ford and Hannah Sadler at 65 Glebe Street Penarth William Sadler Head Mar 49 Fishmonger b Monmouth sea mor hill [sic] Jane Sadler Wife Mar 46 b Monmouth Newport Mary A. Sadler dau unm 14 domestic servant b Glamorgan Penarth Nelly Sadler dau unm 13 domestic servant b Glamorgan Penarth Jessie Sadler dau unm 11 scholar b Glamorgan Penarth William J Sadler son unm 10 scholar b Glamorgan Penarth Charles H Sadler son unm 7 scholar b Glamorgan Penarth Benjamin R Sadler son unm 4 scholar b Glamorgan Penarth William H Pearne son-in-law Mar 21 House Carpenter b Cornwall Truro Emma J Pearne daughter Mar 21 b Glamorgan Penarth It looks as if Emma Jane and Hannah (alias Annie) may have had a double wedding. Looking back at the 1871 census, William Sadler was an Innkeeper in John Street, Penarth, b Monmouth,Caldicot and his wife Jane b Monmouth,Kingston Combining the two censuses, they seem to have had at least 7 girls (Emma Jane number 2 and Hannah/Annie number 3) and then three boys. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dai & Angela Bevan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [GLA] Alfred Evan FORD and Hannah SADLER > JoLynn, > I cannot find a marriage, but in 1891, at 12 John St., Penarth, there are: > > FORD, Alfred E Head Married M 37 Boatman born Cardiff > FORD, Hannah Wife Married F 29 born Penarth > FORD, Florence Daughter F 3 born Penarth > > RG12/ 4402 /141 p53. > > Flory FORD , parents Alfred Evan and Annie was baptised 25 Aug 1887 at > Penarth. > > > Dai > > On 02/09/2013 03:08, Jeff & Jolynn Barneck wrote: >> I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, >> specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 >> Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. >> But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the >> March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same >> page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. >> >> I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A >> baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 >> September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred >> Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. >> >> Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if >> there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are >> William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would >> really appreciate the help, if it's available. >> >> Thank you. >> >> JoLynn Barneck >> >> >> >> > > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi JoLynn You say that you found Alfred Evan FORD in an 1881 index, but not his spouse. You don't say if you've found them in later years, so I've had a look. The following family appears to be the same as Dai found in 1891: 1881 RG11 Piece 5289 Folio 7 Page 9 Sch 43 17 John Street, Penarth, Glamorgan Alfred FORD, Head, Mar, 26, Fireman on S S Ship, b Glamorgan Cardiff Annie FORD, Wife, Mar, 19, b Glamorgan Penarth 1901 RG13 Piece 4989 Folio 17 Page 25 Sch 145 Alfred E FORD, Head, M, 46, Licensed Boatman (Barge), b Glamorgan Penarth Hannah FORD, Wife, M, 39, b Glamorgan Penarth Florence FORD, Daur, S, 13, Nurse Maid Domestic, b Glamorgan Penarth Deaths Alfred Evan FORD, 51yrs, Apr-Jun 1906, Cardiff 11a 227 Hannah FORD, 44yrs, Jul-Sep 1906, Cardiff 11a 194 Hope this helps, Ann -----Original Message----- From: Jeff & Jolynn Barneck Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] Alfred Evan FORD and Hannah SADLER I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would really appreciate the help, if it's available. Thank you. JoLynn Barneck

Hello, Take a look here under #5--it means 'to assign paternity'. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/affiliate HTH Mona Sent from my iPad On Sep 2, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Ellen Murray <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Karen, if memory serves me right it means she did not keep the > child.... > > El > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Ball-Pyatt" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 8:26 PM > Subject: [GLA] Definition of "affiliate" in relation to a birth out > ofwedlock > > >> Hi, >> I am researching a breach of promise court case that involved my >> great-grandfather's older sister in 1893 in Cardiff. In the newspaper >> report of the case, it said: >> >> On the 3rd of April, 1892, she was delivered of a male child. She did >> not affiliate the child, as her parents objected to it. >> >> In this context, does "affiliate" refer to the degree of her emotional >> attachment to the child? (I suspect that this might my 21st century >> interpretation of the word). Could it refer to the naming of the child? >> She gave her son her last name, but the father's surname as a middle >> name. The name of the father was not given on the birth certificate. >> >> Any help would be much appreciated. >> >> Cheers, >> Karen >> Waterloo, ON Canada >> -- >> >> To send to the list send to [email protected] >> GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html >> - >> This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ >> - >> A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be >> found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ >> >> - >> The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and >> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Karen, if memory serves me right it means she did not keep the child.... El ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Ball-Pyatt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 8:26 PM Subject: [GLA] Definition of "affiliate" in relation to a birth out ofwedlock > Hi, > I am researching a breach of promise court case that involved my > great-grandfather's older sister in 1893 in Cardiff. In the newspaper > report of the case, it said: > > On the 3rd of April, 1892, she was delivered of a male child. She did > not affiliate the child, as her parents objected to it. > > In this context, does "affiliate" refer to the degree of her emotional > attachment to the child? (I suspect that this might my 21st century > interpretation of the word). Could it refer to the naming of the child? > She gave her son her last name, but the father's surname as a middle > name. The name of the father was not given on the birth certificate. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, > Karen > Waterloo, ON Canada > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I am researching a breach of promise court case that involved my great-grandfather's older sister in 1893 in Cardiff. In the newspaper report of the case, it said: On the 3rd of April, 1892, she was delivered of a male child. She did not affiliate the child, as her parents objected to it. In this context, does "affiliate" refer to the degree of her emotional attachment to the child? (I suspect that this might my 21st century interpretation of the word). Could it refer to the naming of the child? She gave her son her last name, but the father's surname as a middle name. The name of the father was not given on the birth certificate. Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers, Karen Waterloo, ON Canada

JoLynn, I cannot find a marriage, but in 1891, at 12 John St., Penarth, there are: FORD, Alfred E Head Married M 37 Boatman born Cardiff FORD, Hannah Wife Married F 29 born Penarth FORD, Florence Daughter F 3 born Penarth RG12/ 4402 /141 p53. Flory FORD , parents Alfred Evan and Annie was baptised 25 Aug 1887 at Penarth. Dai On 02/09/2013 03:08, Jeff & Jolynn Barneck wrote: > I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. > > I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. > > Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would really appreciate the help, if it's available. > > Thank you. > > JoLynn Barneck > > > >

I have been trying to find connections of relatives in Penarth, Wales, specifically Alfred Evan FORD, born about 1853, and a wife. In the 1881 Census he is listed as being the head of household in an index I found. But no spouse is listed. There is a marriage for him on freebmd in the March Quarter of 1881, Cardiff District, Vol 11a, page 307. On the same page is a listing for Hannah SADLER. I have found a Hannah SADLER in the 1871 Census showing her as age 10. A baptismal record for Hannah SADLER in Penarth Parish shows a date of 18 September 1861. That would make her eight years younger than Alfred Evan--not an impossible difference in ages. Does anyone have access to the Penarth Parish records in 1881 to see if there is a marriage record for Alfred Evan FORD, whose parents are William Dallen and Ann FORD, with Hannah SADLER or anyone else? I would really appreciate the help, if it's available. Thank you. JoLynn Barneck

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [GLA] SMITH Date: 23.08.2013 17:15 From: neita41 <[email protected]> To: glamorgan wales <[email protected]> Hi I have just joined the list again I am looking for some information on the Smith family. Who lived in Llanbradach around 1912 they had a daughter Louise Smith and a boarder George Stevens. I found this on the 1911 census. I was hopping someone could be researching the Smith family Regards Veneita -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou to all the people on this list who sent replies re Martin Hooley. There are so many spellings of the name Hooley, I am sure if I tried them all, I would find family I never new I had?? Firstly, the Martin Hooley b.1821 Cheshire is too young to be the father of Thomas..I had alsofound a Martin Hooley b. 1811 Ireland also in Cheshire but Catherine Linnard Hooley was born 1895 in Ireland and had her first daughter b.1820 so he was a bit young for this I think... The Thomas Hooley b.1821 in Aberystruth in Mons is interesting... my father, Thomas Hooley (3) b. 1894 Cardiff Wales, married Mum Mary in Tralee Ireland in 1919 and moved to Abertillery Mons Wales where my eldest brother Thomas (4) was born. They came out to Australia in 1922.... could be related. More searching here.. I also found grt grandad Thomas (1) was living in Croft Street Swansea before he married (shown on his marriage certificate) and the Linnards were living there in later years. Surprisingly, why did I write Martin Hooley at Croft Street, Swansea, about 20 years before I found Thomas lived at Croft Street? Oh well, looks like the variations are going to get a good checkover....wish me luck! I will probably check out the Swansea Archives or the Swansea Library and see if they have him living at Croft Street back in 1841. Thanks again listers....great people with kind hearts. Kind regards, Mary

Sorry List, I wrote "do not know who he married when or where" I meant "I have not got proof "that he married but think it was Catherine LINNARD Hooley , as grt grandfather Thomas was shown as her son and came to live in Croft St before his marriage where a Linnard Family were living. Many thanks, Kind regards, Mary

Hello list, .I opened a an old box of genealogy papers, some handwritten and some copied from the computer. Apparently I wrote down the name of Martin HOOLEY who was my grt grt grandfather born in Ireland somewhere. Beside his name was written Croft Street 1841.. now I found his son, my Grt Grandfather Thomas HOOLEY at this street in SWANSEA before he married and wondered if someone could check if Martin was living there also. I do not know his date of birth or who he married , when and where. He was shown as deceased on his sons marriage certificate in 1857 but have never found his death anywhere. I tried Freecen but no 1841 census. This would be the collapse of a huge brick wall if it proved to be grt grt grandad....I have been looking for him for years. Would greatly appreciate it if some kind soul could help please. This has been a great list in helping me find my ancestors and hoping you can help me once again. Many thanks for any information. Kind regards, Mary