If you are very fortunate you may turn up meetings of local school boards reported in local newspapers showing who was appointed to posts, who resigned etc. These appear in the 'Cambrian' for example. 04 April 1879 SWANSEA SCHOOL BOARD: MORGAN JONES APPOINTED MASTER, MISS RACHEL EVANS, MISTRESS, BOTH OF CWMBWRLA BOARD SCHOOL. P7 and 04 April 1879 SWANSEA SCHOOL BOARD: ASSISTANT MASTER AT TRINITY SCHOOL TO BE REPLACED BY CHEAPER PUPIL TEACHER. P8 06 June 1879 SWANSEA SCHOOL BOARD: MISS SMITH APPOINTED SCHOOL MISTRESS TO ST. HELEN'S SCHOOL IN PLACE OF MISS C.A. WALFORD. P5 06 June 1879 SWANSEA SCHOOL BOARD: MR SAMUEL OF HAFOD SCHOOL APPOINTED MASTER OF CADLE SCHOOL IN PLACE OF MR THOMAS MORGAN. P5 and 04 July 1879 SWANSEA SCHOOL BOARD: REV. B. WILLIAMS ASKS WHY BOARD SHOULD PUT UP WITH STUPID YOUNG PEOPLE AS PUPIL TEACHERS. P5 05 September 1879 SWANSEA HIGHER & LOWER SCHOOL BOARD: WAUNARLWYDD & CWMBWRLA SCHOOLS HAD SENT HOME CHILDREN WITHOUT SHOES. P5 07 November 1879 SWANSEA SCHOOL BOARD: NEW PUPIL TEACHERS, JOHN R. DAVIES; DAVID DAVIES; DAVID E. WILLIAMS, BRYNHYFRYD BOARD SCHOOL. P8 You may also turn up records of where the teacher was trained. Most Welsh men were trained in 1880s at Bangor Normal College and most women at Swansea teacher's training college, I think. Adverts for private schools often listed the staff. I have not tried looking for similar items in the various local papers available online from the National Library of Wales site. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff & Jolynn Barneck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 1:59 PM Subject: [GLA] Records of teachers in counties > Dear List, > > Is there any way to track the movements of a teacher in the late 1800's > and very early 1900's? The one I am looking for was in Pembroke, > Carmenthen, and Pembroke (those for certain). But I'm wondering if he can > be tracked to particular locations in each of those counties. I know of > about three or four places. I'm trying to find more children because they > mention on the 1911 census they've had 10, and four have died. > > JoLynn Barneck > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jolynn, Find my Past have Teachers' Registration Council Registers 1914-1948. Have a read of this link and it tells you what information they have about the teachers. http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/teachers-registrations/ Those records are probably too late for the years you are wanting, but thought I'd let you know, just in case. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff & Jolynn Barneck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 5:04 PM Subject: [GLA] Cessation of patronymics in Llangyfelach area and Teachers assignments > Also I wrote an early email asking if there was any way to track the > movement of teachers in the late 1800's and early 1900's, specifically in > the counties of Glamorgan, Pembroke, and Carmarthen. I haven't had any > reply so I'm asking again. > JoLynn Barneck

I'm wondering if there is any timeline for when the use of patronymics came to an end in and around Llangyfelach. We are looking at records in the 1700's and even into the early 1800's. Also I wrote an early email asking if there was any way to track the movement of teachers in the late 1800's and early 1900's, specifically in the counties of Glamorgan, Pembroke, and Carmarthen. I haven't had any reply so I'm asking again. Thanks for any help about these two things you can give me. JoLynn Barneck

Hello Karen Oh dear, I see your problem. Jones again! I have tons of them and they don't ever make it easy. I think the greatest challenge in life is to have relatives or antecedants surnamed Jones. That can keep you going for donkeys years.... decades.... decades.... Death certificates are only as good as the person handing over the information to the, most likely, funeral director. It could be correct, but in many cases during my research, there are mistakes galore. It would depend upon the informant being very close to the family, especially within the inner family circle for reasonable accuracy, but then daughters and sons don't always get it right, either. Friends or cousins might also tend to get it very wrong. Of course, there could be the possibility that John Jones married twice, both times to a Sarah. I've had that happen a few times. The considerable amount of mothers dying in or after childbirth and then the father looking around for another wife to take care of his children, was part and parcel of those times. A suggestion is to have other researchers take a look at those certificates to see if everyone can agree what the writing of the surnames really is. Apart from bad writing, other factors are in the hearing of the surname being given by the informant to the funeral people, or indeed in the case of the marriage to the celebrant - particularly where accents are concerned. So, they write it down on paper, then later transcribe it to the proper form - ah, can one read one's own writing of the day before? Mills and Halls could easily be misinterpreted re. sound and accent, but Rees or Rhys, surely not. I recall many decades ago when I had to give my surname to officials for some or other reason, and I thought I pronounced it as Price, but several times believe it or not, it came across as Morris! Must have been my grandparents Welsh accent coming through after two generations in Australia. No doubt, it still lingers, hidden to all but the very observant. A radiologist, the other week, said me that I couldn't be Australian born. Got that wrong! This could become quite expensive, but once having exhausted all of means, perhaps a marriage certificate or a death certificate of one of David's brothers or sisters (if he had any known to you) might be the way to solve this problem. Best wishes Graham Melbourne Oz

Sent on, via Karen Nabey Hi Graham Thanks for the imput here. I have a problem with my JONES family as the marriage certificate for David JONES 1895 in Victoria states his Mother as Sarah Mills or could be Halls but on his death certificate in New Zealand it states his mother as Sarah REES and father John JONES From Swansea Glamorganshire. I have a birth certificate for David JONES from Swansea in Wales as mother being Sarah REES and father John JONES, how do I know which is Correct? Very confused. Then I have the marriage certificate from a family member (or is she) saying John JONES married Sarah HALL. How do I know her's is correct. Could this marriage cert be hand written wrong? Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks. Karen.

Dear listers Does anyone have any information on the popularity of biddings in Glamorgan in the nineteenth century? (Biddings were events around the time of a wedding to which guests brought presents or money. These gifts were recorded, and it was understood that the couple would return the favour to the donor or one of his/her family when the occasion arose). They were very common in West Wales, particularly Carmarthenshire, up to the end of the nineteenth century, but there appears to be little information on Glamorgan. Ivor Griffith saysthat the last known bidding in Pontardulas took place in 1829. The diary of David Davies of Tre-boeth notes the bidding held on the occasion of his own marriage at Llangyfelach in 1823. There is also a suggestion that they were popular in Mumbles and Gower, but I have not found anything further east in Glamorgan apart from a couple of references in the diary of William Thomas (1762-1795) to what he calls 'inviting weddings'. I woud be very grateful if listers could share with me any information they have on biddings taking place elsewhere in Glamorgan. Best wishes Anna

To all listers within reach of London The next meeting of the Branch will be on 28th September 2013 at 2pm, at Borough Welsh Congregational Chapel when Conway Davies, lecturer at Trinity St David, will be speaking on the topic of "The Old Poor Law in Wales". The meetings are open to anyone with an interest in Welsh history or family history. .Venue & Transport details For details and a map please see: <http://welshchapel.com/#/find-us/4533250281>http://welshchapel.com/#/find-us/4533250281 To check whether Transport for London (tfl) has planned works on the 28 September - see <http://www.tfl.gov.uk/livetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx>http://www.tfl.gov.uk/livetravelnews/planned-works/calendar/default.aspx for more details. Our final meeting of 2013 will take place on 9th November 2013 in the schoolroom at Borough Welsh Congregational Chapel at 2pm when branch member Pam Buttrey will speak in the topic of "Booze, Bankruptcy, Bastards and a Baker - researching an 18th century gentry family in North Wales". We hope to see some of you at our meetings Anna

Hi Karen According to John & Sheila Rowlands "The Surnames of Wales" it is in general an common English name, but can also be Welsh and may well have been (in the Welsh case) derived from Howell or Howells. They state that it may well have originally derived from a person who worked at, or so dwelt in, a hall. Howell or Howells was popular in coastal Glamorganshire through Pembrokeshire. Cheers Graham Melbourne Oz

Hi Just wanting to know if the surname 'HALL' is a Welsh name and is that a family which would of been living in the Cilfrew - Cadoxton Juxta Neath area please? I am having some problems Bringing this HALL name into my family of JONES. What are the chances that the hand written certificate could of been written wrong? Not sure of any other explanation. Many thanks Karen

At a guess, "civil status" probably refers to whether the person is single, married, widowed, divorced or, in some cases, deceased. Employment records: in searching/reading 19th century Welsh newspapers on-line, I've found some wonderful and interesting information on several coal-miner families in South Wales, including a detailed account of the inquest on a large-scale loss of life in a mine explosion, in which three youngsters in one family, 11, 13 and 15, died.  Also, apparently, at least some coal miners/colliers/etc. worked on contract to the company. The latter came out in reports on a civil court case which saw a family member fined because he went home without putting in his full day at the mine because there was no work to do -- he was on contract to be there, work or no, and thus was fined by the court. That "contract" bit may go toward explaining why coal miners moved frequently around South Wales and adjacent mining areas across the Severn, as well as hopes for betterment or avoidance of a "black list," making it interesting chasing them today. Good hunting! Sally

Michael, You have done a lot of research and figured out the puzzles that would have troubled a lot of us. I applaud you and will remember your digging while I look for my Jones in Wales. Always, Jeanmarie On 22/09/2013 3:22 AM, Michael wrote: > Hi Everybody > > I would like to thank the members of this list for all their help in > researching the above. > > If there is one thing I have learnt from this exercise is to not believe > everything you read on a certificate. > > I was researching my cousins Paternal line, their father died nearly 60 > years ago when they were both small children and knew very little about > their fathers family. What they did know that their Grandmother had been > born in Ballarat and that her father had died their and they had > returned to Wales. > > I had a certificate that said that Henry Taylor HOPKINS 25 had married > Elizabeth JONES 24 on 18 June 1859 at the Ebenezer Baptists Chapel in > Merthyr Tydfil. It told me that she was the daughter of John JONES an > Iron Moulder Deceased. > > And that is when I sought the help of this list because I couldn't pin > down an Elizabeth JONES in the right time frame with a John JONES as father. > > With the help of members of this list it how appears that Elizabeth's > father wasn't John JONES but Owen JONES of Bryncaws, Blaenhonddan, Cadoxton. > > For Elizabeth to give a wrong name for her Father and possibly a false > address Plymouth St, Merthyr. It seems likely that her parents had > possibly not wanted their daughter to marry Henry Taylor HOPKINS. But > she did. > > I think that knowing that her parents wouldn't be very happy that the > pair of them, prior to their marriage, had possibly applied for assisted > passage to Australia as I doubt they could have afforded the fare. > Whatever they ended up in Ballarat where they had 4 children. > > Henry died in Ballarat I suspect that Elizabeth who had 4 young children > was perhaps finding it a struggle and possibly wrote home and asked for > help because Elizabeth and the children are back in England by the time > the 1881 census is taken. And I found her son Owen and daughter Mary > living with Elizabeth JONES their widowed Grandmother aged 79 at Bryn > Rose Cottage, Blaenhonddan. Also their is another Granddaughter named > Elizabeth MORGAN aged 16. > > In the 1871 census we find Elizabeth JONES aged 69 with husband OWEN > JONES 73 retired farmer along with granddaughter Elizabeth MORGAN now > aged 6. > > Follow Elizabeth and Owen back and you find daughter Elizabeth aged 15 > and her siblings one of whom is Mary aged 12, and both Elizabeth and > Mary are found in the 1911 census living at Bryncaws. > > It all appears to fall into place. In the 1841 Census Elizabeth is at > home with her parents and brothers and sisters. She has a brother named > Ebenezer, she named her son Ebenezer with the second name Owen, her > fathers name. She has 2 sisters Mary and Jane, Mary Jane was her > youngest daughter. She has a 3rd sister Caroline, that was her second > daughters name. Her eldest daughter was Joanna. Henry Taylor HOPKINS > mother was Junia could that be Welsh for Joanna? > > So that part of my Jigsaw appears to be complete. All I need to do now > is expand the JONES & HOPKINS lines and see if I can find my cousins any > living relatives. > > So again my thanks to all on the list for your help, it is much appreciated. > > Best wishes to you all > > Michael >

Hi Everybody I would like to thank the members of this list for all their help in researching the above. If there is one thing I have learnt from this exercise is to not believe everything you read on a certificate. I was researching my cousins Paternal line, their father died nearly 60 years ago when they were both small children and knew very little about their fathers family. What they did know that their Grandmother had been born in Ballarat and that her father had died their and they had returned to Wales. I had a certificate that said that Henry Taylor HOPKINS 25 had married Elizabeth JONES 24 on 18 June 1859 at the Ebenezer Baptists Chapel in Merthyr Tydfil. It told me that she was the daughter of John JONES an Iron Moulder Deceased. And that is when I sought the help of this list because I couldn't pin down an Elizabeth JONES in the right time frame with a John JONES as father. With the help of members of this list it how appears that Elizabeth's father wasn't John JONES but Owen JONES of Bryncaws, Blaenhonddan, Cadoxton. For Elizabeth to give a wrong name for her Father and possibly a false address Plymouth St, Merthyr. It seems likely that her parents had possibly not wanted their daughter to marry Henry Taylor HOPKINS. But she did. I think that knowing that her parents wouldn't be very happy that the pair of them, prior to their marriage, had possibly applied for assisted passage to Australia as I doubt they could have afforded the fare. Whatever they ended up in Ballarat where they had 4 children. Henry died in Ballarat I suspect that Elizabeth who had 4 young children was perhaps finding it a struggle and possibly wrote home and asked for help because Elizabeth and the children are back in England by the time the 1881 census is taken. And I found her son Owen and daughter Mary living with Elizabeth JONES their widowed Grandmother aged 79 at Bryn Rose Cottage, Blaenhonddan. Also their is another Granddaughter named Elizabeth MORGAN aged 16. In the 1871 census we find Elizabeth JONES aged 69 with husband OWEN JONES 73 retired farmer along with granddaughter Elizabeth MORGAN now aged 6. Follow Elizabeth and Owen back and you find daughter Elizabeth aged 15 and her siblings one of whom is Mary aged 12, and both Elizabeth and Mary are found in the 1911 census living at Bryncaws. It all appears to fall into place. In the 1841 Census Elizabeth is at home with her parents and brothers and sisters. She has a brother named Ebenezer, she named her son Ebenezer with the second name Owen, her fathers name. She has 2 sisters Mary and Jane, Mary Jane was her youngest daughter. She has a 3rd sister Caroline, that was her second daughters name. Her eldest daughter was Joanna. Henry Taylor HOPKINS mother was Junia could that be Welsh for Joanna? So that part of my Jigsaw appears to be complete. All I need to do now is expand the JONES & HOPKINS lines and see if I can find my cousins any living relatives. So again my thanks to all on the list for your help, it is much appreciated. Best wishes to you all Michael

Is anybody on the list related to Owen Jones of Bryncaws? Found that my cousins are related to him via his daughter Elizabeth who said she was the daughter of John Jones Iron Moulder on her marriage certificate to Henry Taylor HOPKINS but appears to have been telling untruths. Michael

Dear Doris, The Welsh Newspapers are available freely online. http://www.llgc.org.uk/digitisation Some of them are in Welsh, but you will be able to get over this if you do not know the language as even Google translation will give you the gist of what is meant. Other newspapers are available such as The British Library Newspaper Library are to be found http://www.britishpapers.co.uk/ paid subscription or on ancestry or/FMP Cannot check at present. Jill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 September 2013 18:32 To: Jill Muir Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [GLA] Records of employment in South Wales collieries - Rhondda and Aberdare Valleys Jill, Where can those newspapers be accessed? Thanks, doris > Dear Huw, > I learnt a lot from your message, thank you. > > One thing you could have added to the list 1905-58 was the Monumental > Inscriptions of those churches and chapels not forgetting the > cemeteries, that have been transcribed and published. Newspaper > accounts, in particular when there was a large accident and the men > who died are named. Obituaries in plenty, and loads of incidents > regarding wife and husband abuse, marriages etc., The Obituaries are > wonderful, because usually they name so many people, relatives and > friends and the Rhondda, Merthyr and Rhymney papers are full of these, > and I am pretty sure that the other areas report in the same way. > > Although men did, as you say Huw, walk many miles to a pit, I thought > about my own mining ancestors in the Rhondda, and all from some of > their arrival to the area because of the coal industry in the Rhondda > down to my father and his brother, worked in pits which were close to > their home. > > Jill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Huw Daniel > Sent: 21 September 2013 10:49 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GLA] Records of employment in South Wales collieries - > Rhondda and Aberdare Valleys > > Hi Ray, > There is no on-line or indeed any particular off-line > resource of employment records of South Wales Collieries and apologies > if this is going to sound like me building a series of brick walls in > your quest to find your ancestors record of employment:-) > > The main reason would be the systematic destruction of records prior > to vesting day in 1947, but also the natural demise of many collieries > before that date saw the destruction of their records, not that we > have come across any formal "employment" records as we would probably > recognise them today from a modern company. > > There is, as always, some hope but lies mainly with a great deal of > luck as to what records have survived and those that have are still > very much piecemeal. > > One of your main hurdles may well be establishing just what colliery > or more likely collieries your ancestor would have worked, it wasn`t > unusual for miners to walk many miles to and from work, including over > the surrounding mountains to neighbouring valleys, for many reasons, > but better paid work and being black-listed in their own valley > collieries probably the most common. > > Then throw into the pot the fact that within a small geographic region > he would have had the "choice" of several collieries and the task does > sometimes seem insurmountable! > > However to finish on a positive note, there is hope, particularly with > local history societies if your ancestors area is covered by one. > > In our small area, the 2 mile long Ogmore Valley, between 1865 and > 1983 we have seen 14 collieries come and go.......The records that > have survived that we have possession of and which would have been > available for many collieries dependant on the time they were > operating and of course whether they have survived..... > > 1905 - Contracts Book (every worker signed daily) Ocean Western > Colliery > 1907 to 1918 - Wyndham Colliery Supplementary Relief Fund > 1913 to 1916 Medical Aid society subscriotions, 2nd Rhondda Main Colliery. > 1934 to 1939 Ocean Colliery Company Magazine (Full set in British > Library) > 1938 to 1939 - Banksman`s dispute, Wyndham Colliery. > 1958 - Accident book, Ocean Western Colliery > > Not a lot for 118 years worth of coal mining involving many thousands > of men and boys, and there are other records where you "may" glean > some information which include but is not limited to: > > > School Admission Records - depends on the diligence of the head and > whether > they have survived. > Parish Records - again depends on the didligence of the incumbent. > Ian Winstanley`s Mining Death CDs - They are some non fatal records > included. > Chapel histories. > Local Undertakers records. > trade Directories (for managers and under managers) Local press - > Particularly around the dates of any disputes in the collieries, of which > there were many! > > Regards, > > Huw > Secretary, OVLH&HS > www.ovlhs.co.uk > http://moodle.bridgend.gov.uk/ydderwen/course/view.php?id=210 > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003187444024 > @YDderwenPTA > > > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Veneita, This query would be better put to the Monmouthshire Mailing List not the Glamorgan List. Although people may be able to help you here, you are more likely to discover more from Gwent local and family historians who have an interest in the church and the surnames of the people, particularly as this is a late date; ie out of census. The FRY surname I have found in the Bristol area. My best wishes, Jill Glamorgan Mailing List's website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of neita41 Sent: 21 September 2013 17:12 To: glamorgan wales Subject: [GLA] Names Hi I am researching the names Mary Hicks and Percy Gardener Mary married Percy around early fifty's I have there wedding Photo. it was taken at st Luke's Church Newport. the bride's brothers are on the photo Bob and Bill Hick's I think they came from Caerwent. one of the guest was a Mrs Fry would any one have a connection to the family Regards Veneita

Dear Mary and Ray, Good to see you on the list again Ray;-) This is a good website: http://webapps.rhondda-cynon-taff.gov.uk/heritagetrail/default.htm Look at the link named 'A-Z' as that has a lot of interesting information on it. The link 'Dinas' tells of the start of the coal industry in the Rhondda. There is a wonderful collection of photographs too http://archive.rhondda-cynon-taf.gov.uk/treorchy/index.php http://www.anglesey.info/Rhondda_Valley_Images.htm is also one I have used. On the same site http://www.anglesey.info/Rhondda_Collieries.htm lists the colleries. Don't forget to look at the List archives and search for Rhondda. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html Go back in the census and check the addresses on maps such as Google and Old Maps <www.old-maps.co.uk> to get a sense of where they lived. Make a note of surnames of their neighbours as families often lived quite close to each other. My best wishes, Jill Glamorgan Mailing List's website http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ G'day List Haven't made a posting for a while. When I do it is usually asking for help and it is the case this time. I have been researching my late father-in-law with a view to writing a short biography of him for the family. He spent most of his working life either as a collier or as a repairman in the Rhondda and Aberdare valleys. I know where he worked in 1911 and in 1956 but not for how long. Where else he may have worked is unclear but most likely are the collieries in the Mid-Rhondda area. My wife doesn't know either. Is there an online resource that I can use to find out. And of course, any other collieries where he may have worked. I am certain there will be but those I have tried have led nowhere as they seem only to list books and other material that I have to consult on site mostly in Swansea. Living in Western Australia makes that a little difficult and we are not planning a trip any time soon. My request is simple to make but will probably not be able to be answered easily. Are there any online indices which list underground workers in the Rhondda and Aberdare valleys between 1910 and 1950? I look forward to some illuminatory replies to lighten my darkness. Yours in anticipation Ray Lewis Hazelmere Western Australia -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Huw, I learnt a lot from your message, thank you. One thing you could have added to the list 1905-58 was the Monumental Inscriptions of those churches and chapels not forgetting the cemeteries, that have been transcribed and published. Newspaper accounts, in particular when there was a large accident and the men who died are named. Obituaries in plenty, and loads of incidents regarding wife and husband abuse, marriages etc., The Obituaries are wonderful, because usually they name so many people, relatives and friends and the Rhondda, Merthyr and Rhymney papers are full of these, and I am pretty sure that the other areas report in the same way. Although men did, as you say Huw, walk many miles to a pit, I thought about my own mining ancestors in the Rhondda, and all from some of their arrival to the area because of the coal industry in the Rhondda down to my father and his brother, worked in pits which were close to their home. Jill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Huw Daniel Sent: 21 September 2013 10:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GLA] Records of employment in South Wales collieries - Rhondda and Aberdare Valleys Hi Ray, There is no on-line or indeed any particular off-line resource of employment records of South Wales Collieries and apologies if this is going to sound like me building a series of brick walls in your quest to find your ancestors record of employment:-) The main reason would be the systematic destruction of records prior to vesting day in 1947, but also the natural demise of many collieries before that date saw the destruction of their records, not that we have come across any formal "employment" records as we would probably recognise them today from a modern company. There is, as always, some hope but lies mainly with a great deal of luck as to what records have survived and those that have are still very much piecemeal. One of your main hurdles may well be establishing just what colliery or more likely collieries your ancestor would have worked, it wasn`t unusual for miners to walk many miles to and from work, including over the surrounding mountains to neighbouring valleys, for many reasons, but better paid work and being black-listed in their own valley collieries probably the most common. Then throw into the pot the fact that within a small geographic region he would have had the "choice" of several collieries and the task does sometimes seem insurmountable! However to finish on a positive note, there is hope, particularly with local history societies if your ancestors area is covered by one. In our small area, the 2 mile long Ogmore Valley, between 1865 and 1983 we have seen 14 collieries come and go.......The records that have survived that we have possession of and which would have been available for many collieries dependant on the time they were operating and of course whether they have survived..... 1905 - Contracts Book (every worker signed daily) Ocean Western Colliery 1907 to 1918 - Wyndham Colliery Supplementary Relief Fund 1913 to 1916 Medical Aid society subscriotions, 2nd Rhondda Main Colliery. 1934 to 1939 Ocean Colliery Company Magazine (Full set in British Library) 1938 to 1939 - Banksman`s dispute, Wyndham Colliery. 1958 - Accident book, Ocean Western Colliery Not a lot for 118 years worth of coal mining involving many thousands of men and boys, and there are other records where you "may" glean some information which include but is not limited to: School Admission Records - depends on the diligence of the head and whether they have survived. Parish Records - again depends on the didligence of the incumbent. Ian Winstanley`s Mining Death CDs - They are some non fatal records included. Chapel histories. Local Undertakers records. trade Directories (for managers and under managers) Local press - Particularly around the dates of any disputes in the collieries, of which there were many! Regards, Huw Secretary, OVLH&HS www.ovlhs.co.uk http://moodle.bridgend.gov.uk/ydderwen/course/view.php?id=210 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003187444024 @YDderwenPTA

Hi I am researching the names Mary Hicks and Percy Gardener Mary married Percy around early fifty's I have there wedding Photo. it was taken at st Luke's Church Newport. the bride's brothers are on the photo Bob and Bill Hick's I think they came from Caerwent. one of the guest was a Mrs Fry would any one have a connection to the family Regards Veneita

Would also be interested in looking at these records...with father, grandfather and grt grandfather working in Coal mines in the Rhondda Valley. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "James R. Davis" <[email protected]> To: "'Glam List'" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [GLA] Records of employment in South Wales collieries - Rhonddaand Aberdare Valleys A great request. I have the same question but for employment records for these valleys in the late 1830's. My John E. DAVIS (must have been DAVIES) line came to the USA in 1841 from there. Peace, James R. Davis, Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of The Lewis family Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 3:02 AM To: Glam List Subject: [GLA] Records of employment in South Wales collieries - Rhondda and Aberdare Valleys G'day List Haven't made a posting for a while. When I do it is usually asking for help and it is the case this time. I have been researching my late father-in-law with a view to writing a short biography of him for the family. He spent most of his working life either as a collier or as a repairman in the Rhondda and Aberdare valleys. I know where he worked in 1911 and in 1956 but not for how long. Where else he may have worked is unclear but most likely are the collieries in the Mid-Rhondda area. My wife doesn't know either. Is there an online resource that I can use to find out. And of course, any other collieries where he may have worked. I am certain there will be but those I have tried have led nowhere as they seem only to list books and other material that I have to consult on site mostly in Swansea. Living in Western Australia makes that a little difficult and we are not planning a trip any time soon. My request is simple to make but will probably not be able to be answered easily. Are there any online indices which list underground workers in the Rhondda and Aberdare valleys between 1910 and 1950? I look forward to some illuminatory replies to lighten my darkness. Yours in anticipation Ray Lewis Hazelmere Western Australia -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, Is there any way to track the movements of a teacher in the late 1800's and very early 1900's? The one I am looking for was in Pembroke, Carmenthen, and Pembroke (those for certain). But I'm wondering if he can be tracked to particular locations in each of those counties. I know of about three or four places. I'm trying to find more children because they mention on the 1911 census they've had 10, and four have died. JoLynn Barneck