I should just like to register my interest in a branch of my family that ended up in the Rhondda. William WHITTINGTON, Penygraig, died at 10.30am, Saturday 18 February 1899, a methodist preacher. I believe he was born in the early 1830s at Penegoes, near Machynlleth, where his faher, John Whittington, had been a sexton. I's be interested in hearing from anyone else with an interest in William Whittington. I know he had children: Griffith Whittington, who was a land surveyor at the tome of his father's death; Rowland Whittington, studying at Aberystwyth with a view to becoming a schoolmaster; and Mary Whittington, a teacher at Ysgol Trewilliam, Penygraig. The on-line Welsh newspapers at the NLW show a Griffith Whittington of 62 Hendrecavan Road, Penygraig, marrying Miss Catherine Morris of Aberystwyth on 26 Dec 1900 (Aberystwyth Observer, 4 Jan 1900). William had two brothers, the more famous of whom, Rowland Whittington (1822 - 7 Feb 1878), known as 'Egwisyn', seems to have been a poet and a religious firebrand who, after some major fuss (which I have not got to the bottom of), went to America, where he died in utter poverty. He was known for having translated an account of the Indian Mutiny into Welsh. His wife died in Tywyn on 30 May 1892. The least well-known of these three was Edward Whittington (Feb 1822 - 27 Dec 1891), gardener of Pwllhobi, Llanbadarn Fawr, near Aberystwyth. His granddaughter, Margaret Jones (1883 - 1955), was my paternal grandmother. I'd be most interested to hear of any information on what became of William Whittington's descendants. I imagine I shall be able to find out some more as I work through the old newspapers and more become available online. However, in case there is anyone else with an interest I thought it best to state mine. (Some of the best information I have got has come through other researchers discovering my messages on the Rootsweb archives some years after I lodge them!) David Canberra (Aberystwyth gynt)

Certainly son-in-law could mean stepson. This is not uncommon in census records. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff & Jolynn Barneck" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 3:31 AM Subject: [GLA] Use of the term mother-in-law in 1729 >I have recently looked at two wills. The first in 1728 is for Thomas >EDMONDS in Colwinston. It lists a second wife, Joan; there are also three >children listed and they appear to be grown. The following year there is a >will for another Thomas EDMONDS, also in Colwinston; and I think this is >the son of the first Thomas, which son was appointed executor of the first >Thomas' estate. His will lists his mother-in-law, Joan EDMONDS, along with >a brother and sister with names consistent with the first will as well as >another brother and sister, who also appear to be grown. He does not list >a wife which would bring with it a mother-in-law as we use the term today. > > Is it logical to think the use of the term mother-in-law would really mean > stepmother? > > JoLynn Barneck > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have recently looked at two wills. The first in 1728 is for Thomas EDMONDS in Colwinston. It lists a second wife, Joan; there are also three children listed and they appear to be grown. The following year there is a will for another Thomas EDMONDS, also in Colwinston; and I think this is the son of the first Thomas, which son was appointed executor of the first Thomas' estate. His will lists his mother-in-law, Joan EDMONDS, along with a brother and sister with names consistent with the first will as well as another brother and sister, who also appear to be grown. He does not list a wife which would bring with it a mother-in-law as we use the term today. Is it logical to think the use of the term mother-in-law would really mean stepmother? JoLynn Barneck

Dear List: How does I really know if a burial listed on Findmypast.co.uk for an Evan JENKINS is for the burial of my ancestor? There is no age given in this indexed record; it just says Evan JENKINS; date of burial 9 Nov 1801; place of burial Neath St. Thomas for dedication. I believe my ancestor was from Neath and that his wife, Anne BOWEN, died in Colwinston in 1798 where they lived from the time they were married until she died. And I believe his name was spelled JENKIN, although I don't know how significant the "S" is. Can you help me? JoLynn Barneck

Have a look at the word 'Bigamy' in the Cambrian index www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian for some idea of cases and punishments at various dates. Some cases are entered twice under different headings. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Mc" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2013 6:27 PM Subject: [GLA] Church Marriage > Thanks for the replies....... I checked the images of the marriages again. > The second marriage in 1881 was actually C of E too. (My mistake) The > writing wasn't that good and it was only when I checked St Benedict's it > came up as C of E. > I think Dai was correct in that it was a bigamous marriage and he was > caught out somewhere along the line. > One question.......in the early 1880's if one appeared in a bigamous > marriage would the sentence automatically mean a prison term? > Thanks again, Kevin. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be > found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the replies....... I checked the images of the marriages again. The second marriage in 1881 was actually C of E too. (My mistake) The writing wasn't that good and it was only when I checked St Benedict's it came up as C of E. I think Dai was correct in that it was a bigamous marriage and he was caught out somewhere along the line. One question.......in the early 1880's if one appeared in a bigamous marriage would the sentence automatically mean a prison term? Thanks again, Kevin.

Hi, It always amazes me at the odd ball findings in our research. Some years back I was baffled because things didn't look right in a marriage. In 1868 John WILSON married Susan WARD. But in the 1881 census she was suddenly the wrong age and there was what appeared to be an illegitimate WARD son that was younger than the marriage. I took me some time to discover that Susan WARD had died after a couple of years and John had remarried to another Susan WARD. In another case a Gt Grand Aunt married her mothers, first husbands, eldest brothers, youngest son. She lived in London, he lived in Brighton and they married in Bolton. These things are sent to try us and I think sometimes you have to think outside the box. Michael On 05-Oct-13 6:31 PM, K Mc wrote: > Hi All, > This is a general question regarding a problem with 2 church marriages that I have not come across before. It's not Glam related but I know someone will be able to come up with an answer. > In 1863 I have a marriage of a couple (C of E ) full names..... occupations with fathers names and occupations of same. In 1881 I have the same couple showing in a RC marriage register 18 years later. The witness is exactly the same too....a brother to the groom. The exact same occupations too. > The only difference I have seen between the two marriages is that the groom in marriage 1 declares himself as a bachelor....I know he had 3 children before 1863 marriage. Marriage 2 he describes himself as a widower....which I would expect....the bride is recorded as spinster. > The bride in marriage 1 would have been far too young to be the mother of his 3 children. > Would converting at that time mean anything regarding re/ marriage? I've never heard of that before. Also there is a civil registration of both marriages which confuses me further. > > I am truly baffled. > > > > > > > > >

Hi Jill, Daniel DAVIES's parents were David DAVIES (18010 - ?), b. Llanllwch, CARMS. and Sophia JONES (1808 - ?), b. Llangunnock, CARMS. Daniel was born in 1848 in Llanllwch. In 1861 they were in Aberdare where Daniel was apprenticed to Daniel Jones THOMAS, printer. Daniel founded The Rhondda Gazette in 1882; its final issue is dated 24th January 1891. I think he became licensed victualler at the Boar's Head, Treorchy. He died there in 1896, cause of death was hepatitis!! There is a family story that his son, my grandfather, fell out with him because of his drinking!! Daniel's wife Winifred must have been a tough old girl - she carried on with the printing business and lived until 1932. We are quite proud of the fact that Daniel DAVIES was the first practical printer in the Rhondda, and the trade is being carried on still, now by his great grandson (my brother), and his 2x great grandson. All the best, Helen http://augustaladyllanover.coffeecup.com -----Original Message----- From: Jill Muir Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 4:49 PM To: 'Helen Forder' ; [email protected] Subject: RE: [GLA] Rhondda Valleys Hi Helen, My great Uncle Johnnie,[another Jones but not yours] also lived in Bute Street. He would have probably known your family as he was a Farrier and has worked [probably whilst out of work] at the Bute Hotel. He died 51 Bute St., Treherbert, Glam. aged 78 in 1959. I can remember going to see him and his wife when I was young. Do you happen to know who Daniel's father was and if they were both born in the Rhondda? My best wishes, Jill -----Original Message----- From: Helen Forder [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 October 2013 09:36 To: Jill Muir; [email protected] Subject: Re: [GLA] Rhondda Valleys Hi Jill, I remember your name from when I was last on this list - a long time ago! More recently I have been busy publishing my book 'High Hats and Harps', about Lord and Lady Llanover. There's a slight family connection to the Estate and I became side-tracked!! My interest in the Rhondda lies with the Davies family, printers, Treorchy and Tonypandy. At the moment I would like to know more about my great-grandmother Winifred DAVIES (nee JONES) - 1844-1932. Her birth was registered on 31st May 1844 by her father Robert JONES, Schoolmaster, Priory Hill, St. John's, Brecon. She died at 224 High Street, Treorchy at the age of 85 (?), widow of Daniel DAVIES, a Master Printer, and was buried in Treorchy Cemetery with her husband Daniel. (Q2/3) According to her obituary in the Glamorgan Free Press and Rhondda Leader, Saturday, January 23rd 1932, Winifred had been a faithful member of Noddfa Welsh Baptist Chapel for over 60 years. She was a brilliant public speaker who took an active part in local electioneering campaigns and was highly respected throughout the district. Robert JONES, her brother, was living at 126 Bute Street, Treherbert in 1896. The name Maglona (JONES?) is wandering around in my mind! I have quite a few bits of information about the family, but Winifred, and her public speaking, intrigues me. If anyone can help, I'd be very grateful. Hwyl, Helen http://augustaladyllanover.coffeecup.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text inserted by Panda GP 2013: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_4752&SPAM=true&path=C:\Windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Global%20Protection%202013\AntiSpam ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

If anyone on the list has a Samuel BEVAN of the S.Wales Borderers, died in Bethune 10 June 1916, there is a burial certificate for him (In French) in Ancestry's newly added list of 'UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects 1627-1965'. This list is by no means complete, as several that I already know are missing. Dai

I have recently come across a relative who married a young widow with two sons who appear on the census shortly after the marriage with their original surnames. Their stepfather was clearly too young to be their father, but I note on the next census they had his surname, so must have adopted them, no doubt informally as this was 1891. Wendy

Interesting problem. Couple marries in 1863 in CoE but he is recorded as a bachelor and other records show he had three kids and the current spouse was too young to have had them. Was this marriage bigamous? My dictionary says bigamy is the act of ceremonially marrying one person when already legally married to another. So if his three kids were out-of-wedlock or he was no longer legally married due to divorce or death then this wouldn't be bigamy. However maybe some people might define bigamy slightly differently to leave out the word "legally". I know of people today who have gotten married long after having a family maybe because they wanted to for some legal or religious reason that became pressing. I suspect in this case there was a religious conversion in 1881 and the RC Church was either not accepting of the rites of the CoE or the mother of the kids hadn't died before the first marriage and the word 'legally" was left out of the definition and the priest now wanted for them to be able to put to bed accusations of bigamy (whether correct or not). Peace, Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jane Hope Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2013 12:19 PM To: Dai & Angela Bevan; [email protected] Subject: Re: [GLA] Church Marriage If you have the marriage certificates are the signatures the same. Are you definite that this is the same couple - just thinking that, 18 years on it could be a member of the same family - unfortunately and fortunately alot of the families have the same names and it's carried down the line. Would love to know the outcome of this though. Happy hunting! Jane > Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 19:30:50 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GLA] Church Marriage > > If the groom had 3 children before the first marriage you describe, > was he already married? If he was then the marriage where he described > himself as bachelor would have been bigamous, and therefore invalid. > He may have married in the Cof E becaise the catholic priest may have > known that he (or his wife) were already married. His first, real, > wife may have died about 1881, and he therefore had a valid marriage > to the lady he had first married bigamously. > > Dai > > On 05/10/2013 18:31, K Mc wrote: > > Hi All, > > This is a general question regarding a problem with 2 church marriages that I have not come across before. It's not Glam related but I know someone will be able to come up with an answer. > > In 1863 I have a marriage of a couple (C of E ) full names..... occupations with fathers names and occupations of same. In 1881 I have the same couple showing in a RC marriage register 18 years later. The witness is exactly the same too....a brother to the groom. The exact same occupations too. > > The only difference I have seen between the two marriages is that the groom in marriage 1 declares himself as a bachelor....I know he had 3 children before 1863 marriage. Marriage 2 he describes himself as a widower....which I would expect....the bride is recorded as spinster. > > The bride in marriage 1 would have been far too young to be the mother of his 3 children. > > Would converting at that time mean anything regarding re/ marriage? I've never heard of that before. Also there is a civil registration of both marriages which confuses me further. > > > > I am truly baffled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family > History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may > be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If the groom had 3 children before the first marriage you describe, was he already married? If he was then the marriage where he described himself as bachelor would have been bigamous, and therefore invalid. He may have married in the Cof E becaise the catholic priest may have known that he (or his wife) were already married. His first, real, wife may have died about 1881, and he therefore had a valid marriage to the lady he had first married bigamously. Dai On 05/10/2013 18:31, K Mc wrote: > Hi All, > This is a general question regarding a problem with 2 church marriages that I have not come across before. It's not Glam related but I know someone will be able to come up with an answer. > In 1863 I have a marriage of a couple (C of E ) full names..... occupations with fathers names and occupations of same. In 1881 I have the same couple showing in a RC marriage register 18 years later. The witness is exactly the same too....a brother to the groom. The exact same occupations too. > The only difference I have seen between the two marriages is that the groom in marriage 1 declares himself as a bachelor....I know he had 3 children before 1863 marriage. Marriage 2 he describes himself as a widower....which I would expect....the bride is recorded as spinster. > The bride in marriage 1 would have been far too young to be the mother of his 3 children. > Would converting at that time mean anything regarding re/ marriage? I've never heard of that before. Also there is a civil registration of both marriages which confuses me further. > > I am truly baffled. > > > > > > > >

If you have the marriage certificates are the signatures the same. Are you definite that this is the same couple - just thinking that, 18 years on it could be a member of the same family - unfortunately and fortunately alot of the families have the same names and it's carried down the line. Would love to know the outcome of this though. Happy hunting! Jane > Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 19:30:50 +0100 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GLA] Church Marriage > > If the groom had 3 children before the first marriage you describe, was > he already married? If he was then the marriage where he described > himself as bachelor would have been bigamous, and therefore invalid. He > may have married in the Cof E becaise the catholic priest may have known > that he (or his wife) were already married. His first, real, wife may > have died about 1881, and he therefore had a valid marriage to the lady > he had first married bigamously. > > Dai > > On 05/10/2013 18:31, K Mc wrote: > > Hi All, > > This is a general question regarding a problem with 2 church marriages that I have not come across before. It's not Glam related but I know someone will be able to come up with an answer. > > In 1863 I have a marriage of a couple (C of E ) full names..... occupations with fathers names and occupations of same. In 1881 I have the same couple showing in a RC marriage register 18 years later. The witness is exactly the same too....a brother to the groom. The exact same occupations too. > > The only difference I have seen between the two marriages is that the groom in marriage 1 declares himself as a bachelor....I know he had 3 children before 1863 marriage. Marriage 2 he describes himself as a widower....which I would expect....the bride is recorded as spinster. > > The bride in marriage 1 would have been far too young to be the mother of his 3 children. > > Would converting at that time mean anything regarding re/ marriage? I've never heard of that before. Also there is a civil registration of both marriages which confuses me further. > > > > I am truly baffled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To send to the list send to [email protected] > GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html > - > This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ > - > A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ > > - > The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks Dai, much appreciated. Kevin

Hi All, This is a general question regarding a problem with 2 church marriages that I have not come across before. It's not Glam related but I know someone will be able to come up with an answer. In 1863 I have a marriage of a couple (C of E ) full names..... occupations with fathers names and occupations of same. In 1881 I have the same couple showing in a RC marriage register 18 years later. The witness is exactly the same too....a brother to the groom. The exact same occupations too. The only difference I have seen between the two marriages is that the groom in marriage 1 declares himself as a bachelor....I know he had 3 children before 1863 marriage. Marriage 2 he describes himself as a widower....which I would expect....the bride is recorded as spinster. The bride in marriage 1 would have been far too young to be the mother of his 3 children. Would converting at that time mean anything regarding re/ marriage? I've never heard of that before. Also there is a civil registration of both marriages which confuses me further. I am truly baffled.

Hi Helen, My great Uncle Johnnie,[another Jones but not yours] also lived in Bute Street. He would have probably known your family as he was a Farrier and has worked [probably whilst out of work] at the Bute Hotel. He died 51 Bute St., Treherbert, Glam. aged 78 in 1959. I can remember going to see him and his wife when I was young. Do you happen to know who Daniel's father was and if they were both born in the Rhondda? My best wishes, Jill -----Original Message----- From: Helen Forder [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 October 2013 09:36 To: Jill Muir; [email protected] Subject: Re: [GLA] Rhondda Valleys Hi Jill, I remember your name from when I was last on this list - a long time ago! More recently I have been busy publishing my book 'High Hats and Harps', about Lord and Lady Llanover. There's a slight family connection to the Estate and I became side-tracked!! My interest in the Rhondda lies with the Davies family, printers, Treorchy and Tonypandy. At the moment I would like to know more about my great-grandmother Winifred DAVIES (nee JONES) - 1844-1932. Her birth was registered on 31st May 1844 by her father Robert JONES, Schoolmaster, Priory Hill, St. John's, Brecon. She died at 224 High Street, Treorchy at the age of 85 (?), widow of Daniel DAVIES, a Master Printer, and was buried in Treorchy Cemetery with her husband Daniel. (Q2/3) According to her obituary in the Glamorgan Free Press and Rhondda Leader, Saturday, January 23rd 1932, Winifred had been a faithful member of Noddfa Welsh Baptist Chapel for over 60 years. She was a brilliant public speaker who took an active part in local electioneering campaigns and was highly respected throughout the district. Robert JONES, her brother, was living at 126 Bute Street, Treherbert in 1896. The name Maglona (JONES?) is wandering around in my mind! I have quite a few bits of information about the family, but Winifred, and her public speaking, intrigues me. If anyone can help, I'd be very grateful. Hwyl, Helen http://augustaladyllanover.coffeecup.com

Original message From:"Ceri Hywel Davies"< [email protected] >Date: 5 Oct 13 14:00:30Subject: Re: GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 315To: [email protected] Jill, I knew that you were "still about", as your regular contributions to the list always interest me. I don`t have any photographs of the chapel, but I do have a press cutting of their sendoff to Narbeth, when they were presented with a tea service, and Esyr was given some books. Perhaps RCT LIBRARY PHOTOGRAPH ARCHIVE COLLECTION might have something. I later had a request from the Narbeth FHS for information about the family, as the chapel there was holding its centenary celebrations. I am not so active now, but still attend branch meetings of the GFHS. I resigned from the posts that I held, as I was spending so much time at my home in Spain.I also miss Selwyn, who was a valued member of GFHS, the Penygraig HS, and the list, for his knowledgeable contributions, particularly on the mining industry, having been a min er himself.His most valued work, I believe, were the 16 Enumeration Districts that he transcribed for The 1991 Census"Cwm Rhondda" and "Mid Glamorgan" projects, more than any other volunteer, many of whom, from all over the world, were members of this list at that time. In total, there were 60 volunteers, some of whom still pop up on the list.I have recently started reading Robert Lewis`s " Dark Actors", and would appreciate any observations you might have, OFF LIST.Dymuniadau gorau,Ceri.To contact the GLAMORGAN list administrator, send an email [email protected] post a message to the GLAMORGAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of theemail with no additional text.End of GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 315*****************************************Dear glamorgan! Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com Email ID now! Dear glamorgan! Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com Email ID now!

Hello Jill, I knew that you were "still about", as your regular contributions to the list always interest me. I don`t have any photographs of the chapel, but I do have a press cutting of their sendoff to Narbeth, when they were presented with a tea service, and Esyr was given some books. Perhaps RCT LIBRARY PHOTOGRAPH ARCHIVE COLLECTION might have something. I later had a request from the Narbeth FHS for information about the family, as the chapel there was holding its centenary celebrations. I am not so active now, but still attend branch meetings of the GFHS. I resigned from the posts that I held, as I was spending so much time at my home in Spain.I also miss Selwyn, who was a valued member of GFHS, the Penygraig HS, and the list, for his knowledgeable contributions, particularly on the mining industry, having been a miner himself.His most valued work, I believe, were the 16 Enumeration Districts that he transcribed for The 1991 Census"Cwm Rhondda" and "Mid Glamorgan" proje cts, more than any other volunteer, many of whom, from all over the world, were members of this list at that time. In total, there were 60 volunteers, some of whom still pop up on the list.I have recently started reading Robert Lewis`s " Dark Actors", and would appreciate any observations you might have, OFF LIST.Dymuniadau gorau,Ceri. Original message From:"[email protected]"< [email protected] >Date: 5 Oct 13 13:05:28Subject: GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 315To: [email protected] request change of Digest Format contact [email protected] and be patient. Jeff. List AdminTo send to the list send to [email protected] .GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are athttp://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.htmlA large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pageshttp://freepages.genealo gy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html andhttp://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.htmlToday's Topics: 1. Re: GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 299 (Jill Muir)Message: 1Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2013 17:04:19 +0100From: "Jill Muir" Subject: Re: [GLA] GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 299To: "'Ceri Hywel Davies'" , MessageID: ContentType: text/plain;charset="usascii"Hi Ceri,Really nice to hear from you.I was only searching List Archives last weekand saw your name and wondered if you were still about. Yes I am still'almost' here! ;)) I do miss seeing Selwyn's name on the List.He was soknowledgeable about the Rhondda and particularly 'my' patch of LowerRhondda.Thanks for telling me about that Chapel as I was unaware that there wasanother Soar in Rhondda.Do you happen to have/know of any photos of it asa chapel Ceri?My best wishes, Jillhttp://www.welshchapelsandchurches.org/Hello, Jill, Nice to know that you`re still there, On the question of MarianStreet, Clydach Vale, Rhondda, on the c orner of the junction with the mainroad stands an imposing chapel called Soar, which commandingly overlooks thevalley, It has recently been converted into flats for the elderly. Theminister of Soar and his family were relatives of mine, and lived in thechapel house at 1 Marian Street.. Thomas William Lewis, whose Bardic titlewas "TWL", and I have some examples of his poetry, had two sons who becameprominent in the field of law. Michael ap Gwilym Lewis became a barristerand recorder of the Crown Court and served on several boards of enquiry,whilst his brother, His Honour Esyr ap Gwilym became a high court judge.Following his retirement from the court, he was involved in writing theconstitutionsof several Commonwealth countries. The family moved firstlyto Narbeth, and then London, where Twl`s ministry was at Stamford Hill. Ihave to wait another 9 years before a plaque can be placed at the site, asboth Esyr and Michael only passed away recently.Dymuniadau gorau,Ceri.To contact the GLAMORGAN list administrator, send an email [email protected] post a message to the GLAMORGAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of theemail with no additional text.End of GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 8, Issue 315*****************************************Dear glamorgan! Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com Email ID now!

Hi Jill, I remember your name from when I was last on this list - a long time ago! More recently I have been busy publishing my book 'High Hats and Harps', about Lord and Lady Llanover. There's a slight family connection to the Estate and I became side-tracked!! My interest in the Rhondda lies with the Davies family, printers, Treorchy and Tonypandy. At the moment I would like to know more about my great-grandmother Winifred DAVIES (nee JONES) - 1844-1932. Her birth was registered on 31st May 1844 by her father Robert JONES, Schoolmaster, Priory Hill, St. John's, Brecon. She died at 224 High Street, Treorchy at the age of 85 (?), widow of Daniel DAVIES, a Master Printer, and was buried in Treorchy Cemetery with her husband Daniel. (Q2/3) According to her obituary in the Glamorgan Free Press and Rhondda Leader, Saturday, January 23rd 1932, Winifred had been a faithful member of Noddfa Welsh Baptist Chapel for over 60 years. She was a brilliant public speaker who took an active part in local electioneering campaigns and was highly respected throughout the district. Robert JONES, her brother, was living at 126 Bute Street, Treherbert in 1896. The name Maglona (JONES?) is wandering around in my mind! I have quite a few bits of information about the family, but Winifred, and her public speaking, intrigues me. If anyone can help, I'd be very grateful. Hwyl, Helen http://augustaladyllanover.coffeecup.com -----Original Message----- From: Jill Muir Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 4:51 PM To: 'Helen Forder' ; [email protected] Subject: RE: [GLA] Rhondda Valleys I don't think there is one Helen, but I'll join if you start one! LOL! There are a few websites though. What is it you want to know? Can I help you? My best wishes, Jill http://www.muirfamily-genealogy-online.co.uk/ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Helen Forder Sent: 04 October 2013 08:28 To: [email protected] Subject: [GLA] Rhondda Valleys Does anyone know of a special Rhondda list I could subscribe to? Thanks Helen http://augustaladyllanover.coffeecup.com -- To send to the list send to [email protected] GLAMORGAN Family History Mailing List archives etc. are at http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/WLS/GLAMORGAN.html - This site has been prepared to help you use the Glamorgan List http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~glamorgan/ - A large amount of information, and a wide variety of useful links, may be found at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/ - The South/West Wales Lookup Exchange and Gareth's Help Pages http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~walesle/wal/AW.html and http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ukwales2/hicks.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Text inserted by Panda GP 2013: This message has NOT been classified as spam. If it is unsolicited mail (spam), click on the following link to reclassify it: http://localhost:6083/Panda?ID=pav_4737&SPAM=true&path=C:\Windows\system32\config\systemprofile\AppData\Local\Panda%20Security\Panda%20Global%20Protection%202013\AntiSpam ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Listers, Some of you will be familiar with the Old-Maps website [www.old-maps.co.uk] which offers images of large-scale Ordnance Survey maps of the UK dating back to the mid to late 19th century. I've used this website for many years, and a few days ago I noticed that an extremely useful feature, removed from the site several years ago, has been resurrected: namely, the ability to expand the image of your chosen map to full-screen size, and to zoom into the image to examine details more closely. This facility used to be available without charge, but in its latest form it is available only to registered users, on payment of a £9.99 monthly subscription. I'm pleased that the zoomable full-screen image is back, but disappointed that a considerable payment is demanded for the privilege. If you use the Old-Maps website frequently, you may feel the charge is justified in order to obtain full-screen images of these wonderful old maps. But if you only use the site occasionally, the charge is difficult to justify. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Brecon, Mid-Wales, UK E-mail: [email protected] Personal Homepage: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2011.co.uk/wales/ Joint Webmaster, Breconshire Local & Family History Society http://www.blfhs.co.uk/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) RootsWeb mailing lists