Hi Found these on ROOTSWEB. Kathi --------- Joan Pirl at [email protected] Surnames: GILLESPIE TAYLOR MITCHELL MOORE MCBURNEY MCKNIGHT LAUGHEAD HAMILTON SMITH Submitter: Joan Pirl ([email protected]) Date: 19 Apr 1999 : TAYLOR, Esther Hadassa 1774-1824 Husband: GILLESPIE, James William 1749-1824 Br/Ch:Abt 1774 Children ----- 1. Thomas GILLESPIE 1776 2. Mathew GILLESPIE Abt 1778 3. John GILLESPIE Abt 1780 4. Joseph GILLESPIE Abt 1782 5. James GILLESPIE 7 Jul 1787 6. William A. GILLESPI 1788 7. Henry T. GILLESPIE 1790 8. Hadassa GILLESPIE Abt 1790 Seek others working on this and related families. 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If you'd like to contribute, see http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html ============================== >From "Gayle Fuson" <[email protected]> To [email protected] Subject DUNCAN/GILLESPIE; Falkirk & Glasgow, SCT: 1800-1900 Date Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:12:15 -0800 Old-To "GILLESPIE-L" <[email protected]>, "STIRLING, SCT LIST" <[email protected]>, "STIRLINGSHIRE-L" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Resent-Date Wed, 24 Mar 1999 09:12:15 -0800 (PST) Resent-From [email protected] Resent-Message-ID <"jnqin.A.pPC.uzR-2"@bl-14.rootsweb.com> Resent-Sender [email protected] Hello, I am hoping that someone might recognize her family, or if they have one of those CD's, perhaps look up her name with this new birthdate!? I am going to try to make it to the small local FHC to see if I can come up with another clue. It has been a while since I was able to get there! Individual Summary - 24 Mar 1999 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mary DUNCAN Sex: Female Father: John DUNCAN (-) *** This is new info. Mother: Mrs. Mary DUNCAN (abt 1843-) She was also a domestic servant. Individual Facts Birth 28 Feb 1862 ** Unsure of area now! Maybe Glasgow. Occupation Domestic Servant (1882) (age 20) Immigration abt 1905 in Hamilton, Wentworth Co, Ontario, CAN (age 43) Burial 1925 in Hamilton, Wentworth Co, Ontario, CAN (age 63) Death 10 Nov 1925 in Hamilton, Wentworth Co, Ontario, CAN (age 63) Residence 370 Cumberland St. (at time of marriage) Misc Clyde Parish Marriages/Children 1. James GILLESPIE ** the below children born in Falkirk/Larbert & Loanhead*** Marriage 24 Oct 1882 in Glasgow, Dist. of Gorbals, Lanarkshire, SCT (age 20) Children Jean Melrose GILLESPIE (1 Jan 1883-) Robert GILLESPIE (25 Feb 1884-) John Duncan GILLESPIE (6 Nov 1886-27 Nov 1951) Mary Duncan GILLESPIE (29 Jun 1889-30 Oct 1965) James Philip GILLESPIE (abt 24 Dec 1892-6 Mar 1954) Alex.Melrose GILLESPIE (10 Oct 1893-17 Jan 1966) Katie Smith GILLESPIE (7 Nov 1895-) William Duncan (Bill) GILLESPIE (14 Nov 1900-6 Jan 1990) Thank you, Gayle [email protected] http://www.olypen.com/gayle - --------------------------------- >From Kehoe <[email protected]> Gayle Thanks for the informaiton. Could Edward Harkness to a brother in law? >Hello, >I am sending you what I have. I have just found out her birthdate / info was wrong and am sort of starting from scratch. I went to the FHC yesterday but couldn't find anything. I believe I did see an "Elder" while looking throught the Duncan fishe. There is a letter written to her daughter, also Mary Duncan, in 1907 that is signed "your loving brother Edward Harkness". We haven't figure out who he is. > - >Name: Mary Elder DUNCAN >Sex: Female >Father: John DUNCAN (-) >Mother: Mrs. Mary DUNCAN (abt 1843-) ***** THIS IS THE MARY ELDER( b. abt 1823( THAT I MIGHT HAVE INFORMATION ON THE POSSIBLE MOTHER OF YOUR MARY DUNCAN> MY ELDERS STARTED OUT IN DUNDEE THOUGH>>>> THIS MARY ELDER WAS BORN IN DUNDEE ABOUT 1823 TO JAMES AND MARY SCOTT ELDER........ I HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION IF YOU THINK THIS IS A POSSIBLE MATCH. I HAVE NO OTHER INFORMATION ON THIS MARY ELDER.... HMMMMMMMM???????? HUGH ELDER FROM THE TAY VALLEY HISTORICAL SOCIETY TELLS John Beach/ copy to me IN A LETTER: As far as I know there were/are three groups of Elders in or around Dundee 1. My own: We orignially came from the village of Liff to the west of Dundee and migrated gradually to Lochee and then spread amoung the Jute Mills throughout the town. 2. A family of butchers or provisioners who also inhaited Lochee and who are still around as far as I know. 3. A family who, I believe, originally came from Glasgow. I know practically nothing about them. Mary Duncan >Individual Facts >Birth 28 Feb 1862 in Glasgow, Dist. of Gorbals, Lanarkshire, SCT (place??) >Occupation Domestic Servant (1882) (age 20) >Immigration abt 1905 in Hamilton, Wentworth Co, Ontario, CAN (age 43) >Burial 1925 in Hamilton, Wentworth Co, Ontario, CAN (age 63) >Death 10 Nov 1925 in Hamilton, Wentworth Co, Ontario, CAN (age 63) >Residence 370 Cumberland St. (at time of marriage) >Misc Clyde Parish > >Marriages/Children >1. James GILLESPIE >Marriage 24 Oct 1882 in Glasgow, Dist. of Gorbals, Lanarkshire, SCT (age 20) >Children Jean Melrose GILLESPIE (1 Jan 1883-) > Robert GILLESPIE (25 Feb 1884-) > John Duncan GILLESPIE (6 Nov 1886-27 Nov 1951) > Mary Duncan GILLESPIE (29 Jun 1889-30 Oct 1965) > James Philip GILLESPIE (abt 24 Dec 1892-6 Mar 1954) > Alex.Melrose GILLESPIE (10 Oct 1893-17 Jan 1966) > Katie Smith GILLESPIE (7 Nov 1895-) > William Duncan (Bill) GILLESPIE (14 Nov 1900-6 Jan 1990) * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Celtic Women International, Ltd. - Celebrating Celtic Women Worldwide Annual Conference October 7-9, 1999 Visit http://www.cwiltd.org Blessings on you. May the Spring winds be kind. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ==== LANARK Mailing List ==== Lanarkshire Home Page: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/rdixon/genuki/LKS/index.htm - --------------------------- >From "Hillier's" <[email protected]> to "Claud C. Gillespie" <[email protected]> There is a James F. (27) on the 1880 Braxton married to a Nancy Ann (34). Tillison C. age 24 Maybe someone has the index to Marsh's books????? Also, I am receiving the 1880 census for Webster on CD-ROM from S-K - I can look there also, bj > Marhtha Gillespie(Gillaspy, Gillispie)her age would be about 47. > > James F. Gillespie(Gillaspy, Gillispie) his age would be about 28. > > Clark Tillison Gillespie (Gillaspy, Gillispie) his age would be about 25. > > Sarena C. Gillespie, her age would be about 20. > Claud Gillespie >From "Claud C. Gillespie" <[email protected]> I have just looked at an LDS film for 1880 Census for Webster Co., but found most of it dark, and unreadable. If anyone has a better census for Webster Co, 1880, could you please check on the following. Marhtha Gillespie(Gillaspy, Gillispie)her age would be about 47. James F. Gillespie(Gillaspy, Gillispie) his age would be about 28. Clark Tillison Gillespie (Gillaspy, Gillispie) his age would be about 25. Sarena C. Gillespie, her age would be about 20. Claud Gillespie - --------------------------- >From [email protected] To JD: An absorbing book on California is Ferol Egan's "Fremont, Explorer for a Restless Nation". My copy was published in 1985 by the University of Nevada Press. Quoting, from page 325, regarding relationship of Fremont, Lassen & Sutter: "Three days later, {on March 30, 1846, after Fremont's party had left Gabilan Peak or Fremont Peak following their bloodless encounter with General Jose Castro} they reached Deer Creek and the ranch of Peter Lassen of Denmark. (3) Here, between present day Chico and Red Bluff, Lassen had built a smaller version of Sutter's empire....Lassen's Bosquejo Ranch consisted of twenty-two thousand acres of upper Sacramento Valley land, and John Charles was greatly impressed by what he saw at this outpost. Lassen and Fremont took a liking to each other, and the explorer was invited to be a guest for as long as he wished. The Dane was so impressed by the explorer that he later named a settlement (now a ghost town) Benton City in honor of Senator Thomas Hart Benton {Fremont's father-in-law}. "....The stay at Peter Lassen's came to an end on April 24, 1846. John Charles thanked the Dane for his hospitality, said farewell, and struck north toward the Cascade Mountains and Oregon....(On) March 8...Sam Neil...and Levi Sigler, who had been at Sutter's Fort...told Fremont they had covered almost a hundred miles during the last two days to overhaul the expedition....to let him know there was a young military officer named Gillespie about a long day's ride behind him...(who) had important messages from the government to deliver to the captain {Fremont}." From p. 328: "Lieutenant Archibald H. Gillespie, United States Marine Corps, was determined and resolute. He was not an ordinary officer. Handsome, resourceful, brave, and very fluent in Spanish, thirty-three-year-old Gillespie possessed the kind of courage and self-pride needed for his task as a courier to carry messages from President Polk, Secretary of State Buchanan, Secretary of the Navy Bancroft, and Senator Benton to Captain Fremont." Goes on to tell how Gillespie & Lassen were camped on the banks of the Klamath River waiting when Neil & Sigler returned with Fremont. "Gillespie had no way of knowing that on this May 9, 1846, General Zachary Taylor's troops were fighting and dying in the Battle of Resaca de la Palma, the second major encounter of the Mexican War in two days....The messages he had memorized and destroyed were outdated...." From p. 335: "By May 24, 1846, the men were back to Peter Lassen's Deer Creek ranch....At Lassen's they learned that General Jose Castro had issued another proclamation on April 17. He ordered all noncitizens out of california, and expressed his determination to put a stop to any further entrance of emigrants from the United States." Footnote (3): (From p. 540) "Peter Lassen came to the United States from Denmark in 1819. In 1839 he came to Oregon. During the summer of 1840 he sailed aboard the Lausanne to Bodega, California. From there he hiked inland to Sutter's Fort. In 1840-41 he worked as a blacksmith for Sutter. Then he tried a succession of ventures: operating a sawmill near Santa Cruz, being a professional hunter and trail blazer, owning a steamboat, ranching and mining. The latter was his downfall, as he joined the silver rush to Utah Territory and in 1859 was killed by whites or Indians at Black Rock Canyon, northeast of Pyramid Lake." While this doesn't answer your question (& I don't know who came with Lassen on the Oregon Trail), it does speak to the relationships, and timing of the relationships, of these men. This book is well-documented with Bibliographic Essay. --Sheila P. In a message dated 3/12/99 9:43:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Just as a casual question, does anyone happen to know the party names with Peter Lassen on his initial Oregon trail? It strikes me that he, and Sutter both made the same trip that year, and J.Fremont always seems to be somewhere near? Any chance they embarked to the west in one group, and evolved a plan enroute? That they all seem to be well acquainted is no surprise in the numbers of Californians at that time, I wonder how early they may have been co-planners? (thoughts from reading Hutchings) --JD - ------------------------------- >From "Michael F. McCartney" <[email protected]> To Julian lea-jones <[email protected]> On 19 Mar 99 at 13:10, [email protected] wrote: According to my small book of "the Scottish tartans", The Gillespie is connected to the MacDonalds and although no separate Tartan is identified, the book says that they are entitled to wear the Macdonald tartan.. Under MacDonald i have six listed, all different. (snip) regards, Julian Lea-Jones. ______________________________ THe subject of clan names/septs and tartans is a bit removed from Dumphries & Galloway, but a few comments may be relevant: (1) Those lists of "septs" of the major Highland clans merely indicate that at some point, someone named e.g. Gillespie was a tenant, servant, or other follower of the chief of e.g. MacDonald. It doesn't mean that everyone named Gillespie is descended from a real-life historical follower of the MacDonalds. Its fun to wear the badge & tartan necktie at the annual Highland Games, but don't take it too seriously - unless you actually have done the research which proves an actual genealogical connection. (2) If you do research your family history (your own blood ancestors, generation by generation, not some quickie "surname history") you may find a connection with the chiefly MacDonalds - or maybe some other, separate "clan" name - or, likely, no clan connection at all (tho' its still fun to pretend!). (3) If your family of Gillespie actually came from Dumfries & Galloway, the "clan" connection (assuming any connection at all) would more likely be to Maxwell, or maybe Gordon of Lockinvar, or some other notable family in that area; MacDonalds could be found all over Scotland, I'm sure, but I'm aware of no "landed" or especially prominent ("chiefly") MacDonald in the D&G area. Hope this helps! Michael F. McCartney Fremont, California <[email protected]> or <[email protected]> ----------- From [email protected] Hi everybody! I thought I'd just forge ahead and ask about my Allen ancestor, as I know next to nothing about her, and maybe one of you knows more:) Here goes: Jane Allen: Born 6/15/1739 in Scotland. Married George Gillespie, not sure when, or if in Scotland, Ireland or America. George was from Tyrone, Antrim County, Northern Ireland. At some point, they came to America, first in Washington Co., PA, and later in Warren Co., Ohio. One of their children (I don't know anything about any others) was William Gillespie, who was married to a Mary Miskimmens. The descendent Gillespies eventually ended up in western Ohio, in Shelby Co. (Sidney). Jane Allen Gillespie died 9/7/1814, apparently in Warren Co.. If anyone has any information on Jane's ancestors, or any other children of Jane and George Gillespie, I'd very much appreciate learning it! Thanks much, Patty Jurkiewicz