Gifford is my wife's line. I have William, but my wife descends from William's son William, who I assume would be an Uncle to Jabez. I also have parents for William as Philip Gifford and Mary Turner, however the birth dates I have for them are wrong or they are not William's parents. Kind of hard to be born in 1615 and have your parents be born in 1638. I got the data from someone else, So don't have the original info to fall back on. John.