I have Phillip and Mary Turner as the parents also . I don't have dates on William and Phillip , but the 1615 date seems corect . This is not my own research so I can't verify any of it . This tree also has Edmonde as Phillips father . Jabez supposedly had a brother named Gideon and all of the children had the same names as the children of William that I am working on . Supposedly Williams father was Gideon . Hence an assumption was made that these were the same Gideons . It never pays to assume in this hobby. When I found that this line wasn't mine , I didn't persue it any further , but I hung on to the reference just in case . Gordon Walk On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:29:28 -0500 "John W. Atwood" <jwatwood@uswest.net> writes: >Gifford is my wife's line. I have William, but my wife descends from >William's >son William, who I assume would be an Uncle to Jabez. I also have >parents >for >William as Philip Gifford and Mary Turner, however the birth dates I >have >for >them are wrong or they are not William's parents. Kind of hard to be >born >in >1615 and have your parents be born in 1638. I got the data from >someone >else, >So don't have the original info to fall back on. > >John. > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]