Hi All, Well, time to list this again. Anyone with a child unknown born between 1770 and 1780 in Mass. NY or Pa. The fathers name may be Alexander, Thomas, William, James, Robert or Hugh. Those first names pass through 4 generations. The mothers name is possibly Elizabeth, Mary, Jane, or Marie. I have been stuck at a brick gene wall for over two years now and am looking for any holes in anyone elses lines that could possibly fit with my Alexander Gifford b approx 1777 d 1821 Balt. Md. He was not born in Md. nor where his first two children Elizabeth and Thomas. He has a sister named Jane b. approx 1790, who married a Capt. Robert Fairweather of Philidelphia and has three children, Alexander, Anna, and Charlotte, all born in Pa. I have no other info on any of these named individuals. So, even if you have a long shot connection, please let me know. I need some new area to start looking for them, even if it is to eliminate that line and narrow down the possibilities.\ Enjoy the Holidays.\\ Michael

He may be my Jesse Gifford's father or uncle or something, but I have nothing on Jesse's ancestors one way or the other. If you run across any info about Jesse (b 1830 d 1870) probably in NY, let me know - there may be some connection. If I locate any info, I will pass is along. Thanks! Joyce

Sylvenus Gifford, son of the Rev. War vet William Gifford is said to have fought in the War of 1812. I have not been able to find a roster of those volunteers from the New York state. Furture, Sylvenus may have been killed in the war and there may be record of such an event and perhaps a pension for his children. Any suggestions and/or help in verifying these unproved assertions would be greatly appreciated. Some also say that Sylvenus had three children, on of whom was William Sylvenus Gifford. William Sylvenus Gifford is said by some to have been born in New York state on Dec 14, 1816 and to have married Sally Cole on Sep 12, 1836. However, the War of 1812 was over in 1815 and either the birthdate is wrong, his father was not Sylvenus or Sylvenus Gifford was not killed in the War of 1812. Again, any suggestions or help in resolving these conflicts would be appreciated. Best regards, David ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

I got your card today . Thank you very much . It is the first one of this year . I haven't even gone shopping for cards yet . If we don't talk again . Merry Christmas to you and your family . Gordon Walk ___________________________________________________________________ Why pay more to get Web access? Try Juno for FREE -- then it's just $9.95/month if you act NOW! Get your free software today: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Hi Pauline, Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I do have a copy of the NEHGR series. One of my biggest stonewalls is trying to prove or disprove that an additional child of Lois and William was the Rev. War vet William Gifford (1754-1758 - Aug 15, 1846) that followed his children to Erie Pa. Enos Peck Gifford (b. 1791-1881) was a son of William Gifford (1754-1758 - Aug 15, 1846). Best regards (and Happy Thanksgiving), David ----------- On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 14:33:12 EST User1934@aol.com writes: > To David: > Referencing William Gifford of Sandwich, Mass. serialized in NEHGR > April 1976 pp137 & 138 > #46 Gideon Gifford (Gideon 3rd generation, William 2nd and 1st > generations) > was born 28 Nov. 1719 and died in Dutchess Co., NY, after 6 Apr. > 1789. > He married in Plymouth, 14 Mar. 1742/43, Lois Jackson, probably the > daughter > of Joseph and Remembrance (Jackson) Jackson. It is possible that if > she > survived her husband, she is the Lois Gifford who married 17 Sept. > 1758, Paul > Lewis (Sandwich Town Records). > Information of his will is omitted. > ......The birth of only one child of this Gideon Gifford is recorded > at > Rochester. We have been told that he moved first to CT and later to > > Beekman's Precinct, Dutchess Co., and that he had at least two > unrecorded > children. It seems likely that he had more children after leaving > Rochester. > > Children: > #110 i. Joseph (5) , b. 17 Mar. 1743/4, "son of Gideon Gifford, > Junr. and > Loes" (Rochester Vital Records). > ii Mary; mar. Timothy Fuller > iii John > They Were Here Too might be found at <A > HREF="http://www.higginsonbooks.com/">Higginson Book Company - > Publishers, > Printers, Booksellers that Specialize in G</A> . > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Thanks to all of you that sent information on this book. From the remarks received it seems that it will not be as helpful to my research as I had hoped. One has to keep striving. Best regards, David --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Thomas D Riney <tmjlljj@juno.com> To: NYWARREN-L@rootsweb.com Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 20:17:31 -0800 Subject: Book ref. ("They were Here Too") Message-ID: <19991121.201817.-157311.2.tmjlljj@juno.com> Hi all, Can someone please help by providing full reference to the book(s) by Jane Betsey Welling, entitled "They Were Here Too." There may have been four volumes. Also, I am interested in finding the children that the book(s) lists for Gideon Gifford ( 28 Nov 1719 - 6 Apr 1789) and Lois Jackson( 14 Mar 1727 - ?). Does it list a William Gifford as one of their children? Best regards, David . ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Dear List Members, Does anyone out there know Sylvia (Mrs. Carl) Gifford's email address? She is a compiler/genealogist of the Gifford Family (printing many articles). The last time we corresponded with one another was in 1987. Her address was 532 S. 670 East, Orem, UTAH 84058. Best regards, Jean ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Hasn't anybody ever heard of my Silas Gifford, born OH 1853 died TN 1921? I know he existed, but just cannot find parents for him anywhere. Hope you all have a wonderful holiday. Betsy

As you do Gifford research, has anyone found any evidence that John Furman b Oct 1766 Newtown LI, NY married Elizabeth Gifford b New York abt 1769. She is presumed to be the granddaughter of Jonathan Gifford b 25 Mar 1704 Dartmouth, Mass. Name of her father unknown. This marriage is suggested by a preponderance of evidence, but seeking further documentation. Any help will be appreciated.

Uniontown, PA. Married Nancy Susan Maxey. Nancy was from Jasper County, MO. I have no idea how they met and decided to end up in Kansas. Children of Joseph and Nancy are: Descendants of Joseph Gifford Generation No. 1 1. JOSEPH1 GIFFORD was born April 24, 1833 in Uniontown, PA, and died February 19, 1909 in Merriam, Johnson Co., KS. He married NANCY SUSAN MAXEY1 July 20, 1865 in Johnson, Kansas, daughter of WILLIAM MAXEY and ELIZABETH JOHNSON. More About JOSEPH GIFFORD: Census 1: June 21, 1870, Gardner Twp, Johnson, KS Census 2: June 03, 1880, Gardner Twp, Johnson KS Masonic: Kansas Notes for NANCY SUSAN MAXEY: In 1850 Census she is listed as Susanah, 1860 as Nancy S. and 1870 as Susan. Children of JOSEPH GIFFORD and NANCY MAXEY are: i. MARY J2 GIFFORD, b. April 22, 1866, Johnson, KS; d. July 09, 1921; m. WILLIAM JEFFERS, July 31, 1890, Wayne Co., IL. ii. ELIZA ELLEN GIFFORD, b. November 04, 1868, Kansas; d. February 09, 1963; m. MILTON BRUFFETT, June 28, 1888, Norborne,Carroll, MO. iii. ESTELLA G. GIFFORD, b. November 21, 1870, Kansas; d. October 01, 1961; m. CLINTON TERRY, November 07, 1892, Wayne Co., IL. Notes for CLINTON TERRY: Possible daughters or Granddaughters---Dorothy Terry, Rita Jean Terry. There is also a Jimmy Terry. iv. ETHIE E. GIFFORD, b. October 22, 1872, Kansas; d. April 04, 1945; m. CLOYD SENTER, February 09, 1891, Wayne Co., IL. Notes for CLOYD SENTER: There is one Cloyd Senter in the SSDI. Born May 18, 1887, died Nov, 1963. SSA issued in Texas. This MAY be the correct Cloyd, but he would have married a woman 15 years older than himself. v. SARAH ELIZABETH GIFFORD, b. August 31, 1874, Kansas; d. September 08, 1891. vi. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN GIFFORD, b. January 09, 1877, Johnson, Kansas; d. June 27, 1955, Collinsville, OK; m. AVRA LAETITIA LEE, November 28, 1900. vii. GEORGE WESLEY GIFFORD, b. September 21, 1879, Johnson Co., KS; d. March 15, 1916, La Cygne, KS; m. MINA PARSLEY, June 1912, Kansas City, KS. Notes for MINA PARSLEY: Mina was possibly called "Lula" viii. ROSA EUGENIA GIFFORD, b. October 26, 1882, Johnson Co., KS; d. October 18, 1965; m. JOE D. MILLER, January 26, 1910.

Hi to all: I am still searching for parents, siblings of a Silas Gifford b 1853 in OH. Married a Mary Jane Williams in IN in 1876. Moved to TN, Dyer Co., and Benton Co. Silas died 1921 in Dyer Co., TN. Had the following children: Scott Burdette, Will, Charles, John, Oscar, Isaac, Cecil Beulah and McKinley. Desperately needing help. Thanks, Betsy

Hi All, I have read of this Gideon Gifford of Rochester, MA and Duchess County, NY. I am wondering if anyone knows of my ancester James Harvey Gifford (aka Harvey Gifford) born abt 1795 perhaps Dartmouth, MA married to Lydia Tibbets on 30 Nov 1820 in Dartmouth, MA? When I read of Rochester and Duchess County I bet that this James Harvey is at least a grandson of Gideon because James's daughter Hannah S. Gifford b. abt 18 Aug 1822 husband's parents Thomas Hitte and Nancy Mosher were from the same area and went to Duchess County to get married on 15 April 1815. Richard Arruda

To David: Referencing William Gifford of Sandwich, Mass. serialized in NEHGR April 1976 pp137 & 138 #46 Gideon Gifford (Gideon 3rd generation, William 2nd and 1st generations) was born 28 Nov. 1719 and died in Dutchess Co., NY, after 6 Apr. 1789. He married in Plymouth, 14 Mar. 1742/43, Lois Jackson, probably the daughter of Joseph and Remembrance (Jackson) Jackson. It is possible that if she survived her husband, she is the Lois Gifford who married 17 Sept. 1758, Paul Lewis (Sandwich Town Records). Information of his will is omitted. ......The birth of only one child of this Gideon Gifford is recorded at Rochester. We have been told that he moved first to CT and later to Beekman's Precinct, Dutchess Co., and that he had at least two unrecorded children. It seems likely that he had more children after leaving Rochester. Children: #110 i. Joseph (5) , b. 17 Mar. 1743/4, "son of Gideon Gifford, Junr. and Loes" (Rochester Vital Records). ii Mary; mar. Timothy Fuller iii John They Were Here Too might be found at <A HREF="http://www.higginsonbooks.com/">Higginson Book Company - Publishers, Printers, Booksellers that Specialize in G</A> .

Hi all, Can someone please help by providing full reference to the book(s) by Jane Betsey Welling, entitled "They Were Here Too." There may have been four volumes. Also, I am interested in finding the children that the book(s) lists for Gideon Gifford ( 28 Nov 1719 - 6 Apr 1789) and Lois Jackson( 14 Mar 1727 - ?). Does it list a William Gifford as one of their children? Best regards, David . ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

In the 1850 Sumner Co., TN census, Gideon Gifford who was 40 at that time gave TN as his birthplace. I do not have the info on Jabez. The earlier census did not give that information. Thanks, Hazel -----Original Message----- From: tmjlljj@juno.com <tmjlljj@juno.com> To: GIFFORD-L@rootsweb.com <GIFFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [GIFFORD] Jabez Gifford >Hi Hazel, >Thanks for your reply. The early Giffords seemed all to choose from only >a very few given names for use with their enormous number of relatives >with the Gifford surname. The dates seem not to match, but did you note >the location of their birthplace on the census record? >Best regards, >David > >On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:37:41 -0600 Ray & Hazel Garrett ><garret@telapex.com> writes: >> There is a Jabez Gifford listed in the Early TN Tax Lists in Sumner >> Co., TN >> in 1796 & 1797. Could this be your man? I also have copied from >> the 1820 >> TN census in Smith Co., Gideon Gifford, Jabus, Joseph, and Richard >> G. >> Gifford. Let me know if this rings a bell. >> Hazel Garrett garret@telapex.com >> > >___________________________________________________________________ >Get the Internet just the way you want it. >Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! >Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. >

Hi Hazel, Thanks for your reply. The early Giffords seemed all to choose from only a very few given names for use with their enormous number of relatives with the Gifford surname. The dates seem not to match, but did you note the location of their birthplace on the census record? Best regards, David On Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:37:41 -0600 Ray & Hazel Garrett <garret@telapex.com> writes: > There is a Jabez Gifford listed in the Early TN Tax Lists in Sumner > Co., TN > in 1796 & 1797. Could this be your man? I also have copied from > the 1820 > TN census in Smith Co., Gideon Gifford, Jabus, Joseph, and Richard > G. > Gifford. Let me know if this rings a bell. > Hazel Garrett garret@telapex.com > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Looking for---------------->>> George D. and Shannon D. GIFFORD of Kingman, AZ Please contact me. Steve spettis@mtaonline.net

Hello, On October 30 I responded to your posting your great-great grandmother, Rachel's name, as I am trying to find my gr-gr-gma Rachel GIFFORD SNYDER, b. OHIO. sometime before her daughter's birth in 1870 in HANCOCK Co. I must not have known how to download a photo you had attached, that you thought I might possibly recognize something, because I see on my file that was what we last were attempting. Sorry, I was off in another direction chasing down another branch, I guess. For a fact, I should be washing the dog right now :-) Could we re-connect on our Rachels? Would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks, Linda

I've had a number of inquiries regarding my GIFFORDS, so wanted to share the information about them & their contacts ot other Geauga & Lake county families in case anyone has additions, corrections, or links to pass on :^) My GIFFORDs include my great great grandfather: William Sylvanus GIFFORD, b 14 Dec 1816, Otsego County NY. m. Sara COLE 12 Sept, 1836 in Madison, Lake County, OH d. 26 October 1902, Madison OH The info I have is that their children were all born in Lake County OH . . . George Washington GIFFORD b 07 June 1836 m. Rachel Rebecca ALLISON (from Lake Pleasant, Erie County PA) Maria GIFFORD b. 28 April 1840 m. Ephram/Ephraim MILLER William Sylvanus GIFFORD II b. 03 February 1842 Edward & Edwin b. 1844 d. 1849 Elizabeth GIFFORD b. 1845 m. Alfred MONROE Sarah Ellen GIFFORD b. 1847 d. cir 1848/9 James GIFFORD b. 1849 d. 1850 James A GIFFORD b. 1851 m. Elizabeth COLE (Betsy) Jane GIFFORD (Jennie) b. 1853 m. James MILLER Desire GIFFORD b. 1857 ---------------- George W. GIFFORD (above) & wife Rachel Rebecca ALLISON had children: Willaim A GIFFORD b. 1868 m. Gertrude ST JOHN Mary Ellen GIFFORD MCMACKIN, b. 08 Feb, 1875 m. Dan Burchard MCMACKIN John GIFFORD b. 1876 m. Effie JOHNSON Andrew GIFFORD (Drew) b. 1879 My grandmother was Mary Ellen. She was educated at Lake Erie College (I can't reacll what it was called at the turn of the century, but you know where I mean) & later became the second wife of Dan Burchard MCMACKIN (1904) Dan's first wife was Susan HALL. I'd love to share information about connections etc! >~@~~^~v~~~~~v~^~~@~< Susan McMackin Reynolds ~ the Heritage Preservation Lady ~ Memory Book Classes, Consultation & Supplies to Last Beyond Your Lifetime ~ -------- Do Research for Income or Find New Resources for Your Own Use with . . . <A HREF="http://www.profitbank.com/cda/clickthru.cgi?id=susanreynolds">http:// www.profitbank.com/cda/clickthru.cgi?id=susanreynolds</A> * Earn FREEBIES with <A HREF="http://www.mypoints.com">My Points Program</A> (Referrer: SUSANMREYNOLDS) * * Connect to me & others who share your interests at <A HREF="http://www.planetall.com/main.asp?s=1043&cid=966275 ">PlanetAll</A> * * Were hot dogs made of dogs? Find out with a FREE subscription to <A HREF="http://go.MailBits.com/trivia.asp?9954.1">MailBits</A> *

There is a Jabez Gifford listed in the Early TN Tax Lists in Sumner Co., TN in 1796 & 1797. Could this be your man? I also have copied from the 1820 TN census in Smith Co., Gideon Gifford, Jabus, Joseph, and Richard G. Gifford. Let me know if this rings a bell. Hazel Garrett garret@telapex.com