Thank you for your input. I have two civil war cards with possibilities: 1) Horning, Alois H-173 PDM 4 - 1208 this card was followed by a brother of my grandfather: Horning Henry B-2A 3 - 1075 2) was for Horning, John E-3 Inf.Mil.'62 5 - 1154. Although his first name was Joannas his middle initial was A and his wife was Marie Margarette Theresa Reinhardt. I have no idea of what the numbers stand for if you can help I thank you very much. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Civil War Pension Records > Hello Marie and Julie, > If you are members of Ancestry.com, you can find both the Civil War > Records and the Civil > War Pension Index - General Index to Pension Files 1861-1934 on line. > Here's the scoop: > The Civil War Records are used to determine which Military > Unit/Company/State/Union/Confederate your ancestor served in. Once you > have this info jotted > down, you move to the General Index to Pension Files 1861-1934. > Mind you all this is preliminary data gathering in preparation of getting > a copy of > everything that is in the PENSION FILE. > I used "John Hornung" as my test object. > When I entered "John Hornung" 2 men by the same name came up, one was from > Michigan with a > wife named 'Barbara', the other one was from New Jersey with a wife named > Solome. > I then clicked on the John Hornung from Michigan: > The image that comes up provides the following information: > Name: Hornung, John > ......Widow: Hornung, Barbara > ......Co. F 10 Illinois Inf. > ......Co. A 4 U.d.R.C. Ill. Inf. (difficult to read) > Date of files: > 1890 Sep 12 - Filed by Invalid (this would be John)Application No. 822363 > Certificate: 676231, State in which filed: Michigan > 1921 Apr 2 - Filed by Widow (Barbara) Application No. 1172303 > Certificate: 911.845, State in which filed: Michigan > ............ Filed by Minor - blank > > What this example tells us is that John Hornung filed for his Civil War > pension on 12 Sep > 1890 under the aforementioned application number; > Apparently, John Hornung died on or prior to April 2, 1921, as this is the > date on which his > wife Barbara filed for pension benefits due to her, following the death of > her husband. > Had there also been a minor child, his name and application number would > have been listed on > the line where it says "Filed by Minor", which in this case is left blank. > > It is these PENSION FILES that you want to order from the NARA as they > contain letters > written by John when he applied for his pension and letters written by > Barbara stating that > her hsuband has died and that she now is entitled to her husbands > benefits. In these files > is where you find much personal family information, photos, statements > from neighbors or > relatives, etc. > You need the Military Service Records only to determine details about his > military service. > > Now, if you tell me the names of your Hornung/Horning ancestors and their > wives, and whether > they served on the Union or Confederate side, and in which State/County > they lived/served, I > may be able to get you the application numbers from the Pension files > available on-line. > > I've tried to write this as clearly as I could, if you still have > questions, please feel > free to contact me. > > Ursula from Michigan > > > > Marie Van Laeys wrote: >> Hello Julie >> I saw your post on John Hornung (civil war info). Where did your John >> live >> during the civil war. My gggrand father was John or Johannas Hornung >> living >> in Schuylkill County PA. He died in 1862 but the tomb stone is very >> badly >> worn and I can't make out the month. His last daughter was born in 1862 >> (Pauline). He was born in 1823 and came to the US in 1844 on the ship >> Rose >> into New York City. The spelling seems to go from Horning to Hornung >> from > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message