Hello Julie I saw your post on John Hornung (civil war info). Where did your John live during the civil war. My gggrand father was John or Johannas Hornung living in Schuylkill County PA. He died in 1862 but the tomb stone is very badly worn and I can't make out the month. His last daughter was born in 1862 (Pauline). He was born in 1823 and came to the US in 1844 on the ship Rose into New York City. The spelling seems to go from Horning to Hornung from one record to another. By the time my great grand father moved to Philadelphia it was Horning. One researcher who did some work thought he died in a mining accident but I felt it being so close to the beginning of the Civil War it might be due to the war. I couldn't find John on the 1860 census but I believe his wife was living on a farm with relative in 1860. This is part of the reason I think he might have served in the civil war. I also found a listing but without (card file) with only number's listed which I am not able to decipher what it means. I know he couldn't have paid someone to serve for him as he was not a rich man. Can we compare your information to mine? Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie" <juls92627@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Civil War question - pensions > Okay - I have a question. I am trying to find John Horning/Hornung's > civil war info - not his muster info, but the paperwork he filled out for > next of kin, etc. Was there such a thing? I've ask NARA to look him up - > and I mistakenly ordered the military history, which is just a copy of the > slips of paper saying he was at muster, had a horse and gets paid, etc. I > then tried to order the genealogist version of the pension, but got told > that they couldn't find it. Could this mean that he died before he filed > his pension? If so where can I look for this info? shouldn't they be > somewhere in the Civil War files? > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate > new house payment > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Marie and Julie, If you are members of Ancestry.com, you can find both the Civil War Records and the Civil War Pension Index - General Index to Pension Files 1861-1934 on line. Here's the scoop: The Civil War Records are used to determine which Military Unit/Company/State/Union/Confederate your ancestor served in. Once you have this info jotted down, you move to the General Index to Pension Files 1861-1934. Mind you all this is preliminary data gathering in preparation of getting a copy of everything that is in the PENSION FILE. I used "John Hornung" as my test object. When I entered "John Hornung" 2 men by the same name came up, one was from Michigan with a wife named 'Barbara', the other one was from New Jersey with a wife named Solome. I then clicked on the John Hornung from Michigan: The image that comes up provides the following information: Name: Hornung, John ......Widow: Hornung, Barbara ......Co. F 10 Illinois Inf. ......Co. A 4 U.d.R.C. Ill. Inf. (difficult to read) Date of files: 1890 Sep 12 - Filed by Invalid (this would be John)Application No. 822363 Certificate: 676231, State in which filed: Michigan 1921 Apr 2 - Filed by Widow (Barbara) Application No. 1172303 Certificate: 911.845, State in which filed: Michigan ............ Filed by Minor - blank What this example tells us is that John Hornung filed for his Civil War pension on 12 Sep 1890 under the aforementioned application number; Apparently, John Hornung died on or prior to April 2, 1921, as this is the date on which his wife Barbara filed for pension benefits due to her, following the death of her husband. Had there also been a minor child, his name and application number would have been listed on the line where it says "Filed by Minor", which in this case is left blank. It is these PENSION FILES that you want to order from the NARA as they contain letters written by John when he applied for his pension and letters written by Barbara stating that her hsuband has died and that she now is entitled to her husbands benefits. In these files is where you find much personal family information, photos, statements from neighbors or relatives, etc. You need the Military Service Records only to determine details about his military service. Now, if you tell me the names of your Hornung/Horning ancestors and their wives, and whether they served on the Union or Confederate side, and in which State/County they lived/served, I may be able to get you the application numbers from the Pension files available on-line. I've tried to write this as clearly as I could, if you still have questions, please feel free to contact me. Ursula from Michigan Marie Van Laeys wrote: > Hello Julie > I saw your post on John Hornung (civil war info). Where did your John live > during the civil war. My gggrand father was John or Johannas Hornung living > in Schuylkill County PA. He died in 1862 but the tomb stone is very badly > worn and I can't make out the month. His last daughter was born in 1862 > (Pauline). He was born in 1823 and came to the US in 1844 on the ship Rose > into New York City. The spelling seems to go from Horning to Hornung from