> From: "Evelyn Wicke" <ewicke@gvec.net> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Civil War questions > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <004001c70dc2$289a5d10$db437d3f@DBYPCN61> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > Thanks, Jane. Joseph Keller and his wife Elisabeth and other family > members evidently stayed in Memphis. He and his wife and several > children are buried at Elmwood Cemetery in Memphis although and two of > her children show up in the 1870 census in La Grange in Fayette County, > TN, which is just East of Shelby County where Memphis is located. He > might not have fought in the war at all, given his age. I am just > grabbing at straws because I cannot find death records for him or for > her. And there is a big blank before his marriage in 1845. That is > the > reason I am on this list. So far, I can find no Joseph Keller on a > list > with enough facts to say "Ah, this is the one!" I just don't have > enough to go on. Thanks for your efforts. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Rasmussen" <janeluci@bresnan.net> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:16 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Civil War questions > > >> Evelyn, If your ancestor was 25 in 1845, living in Memphis in 1861 he >> would have been 41 years of age, & born in 1820. Confederate records >> may not be as complete as the union armies were, still it is possible >> he may have moved north after 1845 and enlisted in the union army & >> suggest you also give that a try. Many Swiss headed for Wisconsin >> after they arrived in US. The Swiss in my family left from Harve, >> France. >> >> Union army records gave a physical description of recruit and in my >> great grandfathers case also his citizenship papers, recruitment >> information (as entirely sober),pay records, and where he mustered >> out, home of record. >> NARA apologized that many of the papers were unable to print out, >> thus I figure that is why I didn't get next of kin info. >> Chemtester, I think you may have received the file as complete as >> they had. However, mine did include his wife filing for pension, >> children's birth certificates as she had to prove there were young >> children, as well as his death papers, attending physician papers. >> or do as Julie suggests, although I did not find that necessary >> Jane >> >> >>> >>> >>>> Reading other's query regarding Civil War rank of ancestor. My >>>> Joseph >>>> Keller immigrated from Switzerland via Germany, I believe. He show >>>> up >>>> in Memphis, TN in 1845 at 25 years of age. I >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>> do NOT order the Compiled Military Service File! I ordered 2 of >>> them, thinking I had hit pay dirt and they were both the same, just >>> pages and pages of copies of roll call, nothing on parents, next of >>> kin, birth, etc. Try ordering the Pension Packet for 14.95 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Okay - I have a question. I am trying to find John >>>> Horning/Hornung's >>>> civil war info - not his muster info, but the paperwork he filled >>>> out for >>>> next of kin, etc. Was there such a thing? >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ******************************************************* >>> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:20:49 -0500 > From: "Wayne J. Straight" <woichi01@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Civil War Officer or? > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <456389D1.8070705@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Hello Ursula; > > I'm afraid I have take issue with your assertion. Switzerland has only > been recognized as a neutral state since 1815; & confederated in its > present form since 1874. Before that there was a succession of "Swiss" > states which included some but not all of the present cantons. These > states were embroiled in a series of civil & religious wars (the last > real civil war occurring in 1847) as well as some foreign > adventures.The > Swiss also provided most/many of the mercenary forces used during the > 30 > Year's War. In addition, the modern Swiss, although politically & > militarily neutral, maintain a national reserve which consists of > virtually every male Swiss citizen. In 1940, when the Nazi's invaded > Belgium, Switzerland mobilized its entire Army, including some 15,000 > women. I think its fair to say that they adhere to the Teddy Roosevelt > principle, i.e., "Speak softly but carry a big stick." (BTW: At one > point the Nazi's had prepared a plan, called 'Operation Tannenbaum', to > invade Switzerland.) > > Wikipedia describes the Swiss Army as follows: > "The military of Switzerland, officially known as the Swiss Armed > Forces, is a unique institution somewhere between a militia and a > regular army. It is equipped with mostly modern, sophisticated, and > well-maintained weapons systems and equipment." They go on to include > the following table: > Military of Switzerland--Military manpower > Military age : 18-32 years of age obligatorily > 36 for subaltern officers, 52 for staff officers and higher > Availability: males age 15-49: 1,855,808 (2000 est.) > Fit for military service: males age 15-49: 1,579,921 (2000 est.) > Reaching military age annually: males: 42,169 (2000 est.) > Military expenditures: $3.1 billion (FY98) > Percent of GDP: 1.2% (FY98) > > So anyway, I'd say that they were well equipped to participate in armed > conflicts. > > To put icing on the cake, I'm including some relevant extracts from a > timeline I drew up during one of my genealogical research projects. > Cheers, Masugu > 1291: Cantons of Uri, Schwyz, & Unterwalden conspire against Habsburgs. > This union is nucleus of Old Swiss Confederacy. > 1315: Swiss Confederation defeats the soldiers of Duke Leopold I of > Austria in an ambush near the Morgarten pass. > 1353: Three original cantons joined by cantons of Glarus & Zug & city > states of Lucerne, Zu"rich, & Berne, forming "Old Federation" of 8 > states . > 1386: Battle of Sempach: Swiss safeguard independence from Habsburg > rule. > 1440s: Zu"rich expelled from confederation due to conflict over > territory of Toggenburg (the Old Zu"rich War). > 1470s: Series of victories by Swiss Federation over Charles the Bold of > Burgundy & rise of Swiss mercenaries. > 1499: Swabian War: Swiss Confederacy defeats forces of Habsburg emperor > Maximilian I ensuring de facto independence from empire. > 1515: Expansion of federation & the reputation of invincibility > acquired > during earlier wars suffers setback w/ Swiss defeat in the Battle of > Marignano. > 1524: The Peasants War: In Germany, Switzerland & Austria--defeat of > the > peasants in 1525 led to dispersion of the Anabaptists. > 1529-31: Zwingli's Reformation in some Swiss cantons leads to > inter-cantonal wars (Kappeler Kriege). > 1530's: Swiss Anabaptists seize several towns to "construct a just > society"--they're crushed by authorities. > 1531: a. Wars of Kappel: After victory Catholic cantons in Switzerland > institute counter-reformatory policies. > b. Ulrich Zwingli killed at Kappel am Albis, in a battle against the > Catholic cantons of Switzerland. > 1535: Anabaptists in Mu"nster suppressed--this engenders a migration of > Germanic Anabaptists to England. > 1618: Start of 30 Years' War---Switzerland a relative "oasis of peace > and prosperity"--mostly because belligerents depend on Swiss > mercenaries. > 1648: Treaty of Westphalia: Swiss Confederacy, neutral during 30 Years > War, granted independence from Holy Roman Empire. > 1653: Swiss peasants rebel because of currency devaluation--tax reforms > result. > 1656: 1st Battle of Villmergen: conflict between Catholic & Protestant > cantons continue. > 1798: Switzerland overrun by France & becomes Helvetic Republic. > 1712: 2nd Battle of Villmergen: conflict between Catholic & Protestant > cantons persist. > 1803: Napoleon organises meeting of leading Swiss politicians--result > is > Act of Mediation which largely restores Swiss autonomy. > 1815: a. Congress of Vienna fully re-establishes Swiss independence & > European powers agree to permanently recognise Swiss neutrality. > b. Territory of Switzerland increases for the last time, by the new > cantons of Valais, Neuchatel and Geneva. > 1847: Civil war breaks out between Catholic & Protestant cantons > 1848: As consequence of the civil war, Swiss adopt federal constitution > in 1848 & establishing federal responsibility for defence, trade, and > legal matters, 1874: Swiss constitution is extensively amended to > reflect the current state of Swiss affairs. > 1939: Nazis invade Poland, Swiss mobilize some 430,000 troops. > 1940: Nazis invade Belgium, general mobilization of full Swiss Army > decided, includes some 15,000 women. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:15:53 -0600 > From: "Elaine O'Neill" <elaineoneill1948@gmail.com> > Subject: [G-P-L] Myres/Myers/Meyer from Prussia/Germany to Ohio > To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <e58661e60611211515u2247842fg373a763d917183e5@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > I am trying to find immigration information on my husband's > ggGrandfather, Adam MEYER. I find him on the 1870 US Census in Fulton > Co., Ohio as MYRES, on the 1880 Census in Williams Co., Ohio, also as > MYERS. On the 1880 he gives his immigration date as 1849, and he > gives the same date on the 1900 census wher he is now MEYERS. On the > 1880 he lives only 2 farms away from an Abraham Myers. They are 2 > years apart in age and both give the same year of imigration. I have > a hunch that they may be brothers. There was also a Jacob in the same > area but I don't recall his age. On the 1870 census Adam gives Prussia > as his birthplace, on all the subsequent ones, he gives Germany. In > 1849 Adam would have been 15 and Abraham would have been 13. On the > 1900 census they both state they have been naturalized. > I have searched Ancestry until I'm blue in the face. I've had no luck > at Castle Garden. I'm really desperate to find him or them. I don't > have anymore than a date of immigration and their names. I don't know > where they were prior to 1870. I don't know when they were > naturalized or if Ohio has made naturalizations available on line > anywhere. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks very much in advance. > > Elaine O'. in Missouri > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:52:43 -0000 > From: "Gail Friskney" <g.friskney@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] PASSENGER LISTS TO ENGLAND 1870s -1880s > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <003901c70dc8$2441a290$3c180956@FRISKNEY> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Wendy, > > I have exactle the same problem as you. I think that because so many > went to > the US and geneology is a very popular thing in America, you have more > of a > chance of finding what your looking for. My great grandfather > emigrated from > Germany to England around 1880 / 1890s, but I have hit a stone wall in > my > efforts to locate any record of him. If you look on the National > Archives > website www.nationarchives.gov.uk you can find the records of passenger > list, but I don't believe that you can access them on the internet, I > think > you have to get in touch with them for details of how to look at the > records. You can also find list of passengers who were shipwrecked off > the > coast of England!!! Anyway, sorry I wasn't of much help. Good luck!!!! > > Gail Friskney > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MALCOLM STANAWAY" <ms004a9035@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:52 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] PASSENGER LISTS TO ENGLAND 1870s -1880s > > >> Hi Can anyone point me in the right direction please I am trying to >> Locate >> ANTON YAGER emigrated from Wurttemberg to come to England 1870s to >> 1880s >> where can I look for this information? I have tried rootsweb ships >> lists >> but find most are for America and Canada and quite honestly I find >> them >> very hard to find my way around them.Please will some kind person >> help me >> with this >> Thanks >> Wendy >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:03:21 EST > From: Bbfritch@aol.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] PASSENGER LISTS TO ENGLAND 1870s -1880s > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <ca0.3abf64e.3294fbd9@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > Thanks for that site, Gail. I found that I had to make it 'national > archives' though. > > Someone from England gave me this interesting site. You have to > subscribe, > about $15, if you want to correspond with someone who's listed. > > _www.genesreunited.co.uk/_ (http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/) > > Betty > FL > > > www.nationarchives.gov.uk > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:44:19 +0100 > From: "Werner Feja" <wdfeja@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] PASSENGER LISTS TO ENGLAND 1870s -1880s > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <60006cb40611211744uf14cdd7ocb9c0fb7a82fa818@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Wendy, > > try to find Anton J?GER / JAEGER! That should help. "Yager" is a > spelling > for English speaking people keeping the sounding of the name similar > to the > German pronounciation. > -- > Beste Gr??e > Werner Feja.net > > 2006/11/21, MALCOLM STANAWAY <ms004a9035@blueyonder.co.uk>: >> >> Hi Can anyone point me in the right direction please I am trying to >> Locate >> ANTON YAGER emigrated from Wurttemberg to come to England 1870s to >> 1880s >> where can I look for this information? I have tried rootsweb ships >> lists but >> find most are for America and Canada and quite honestly I find them >> very >> hard to find my way around them.Please will some kind person help me >> with >> this >> Thanks >> Wendy >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:57:19 EST > From: Theholigrail@aol.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Myres/Myers/Meyer from Prussia/Germany to Ohio > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4aa.37bd7d4a.3295087f@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Eileen, Have your tried under the name spelling of miers, or meier/s ? > I haven't been able to locate mine in NY either. Sometimes they just > lied. > Jo Ann > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:10:18 -0600 > From: "Elaine O'Neill" <elaineoneill1948@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Myres/Myers/Meyer from Prussia/Germany to Ohio > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <e58661e60611211810w1424b746nfb7d5e608c37462d@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Don't you just love these names that can be spelled so many different > ways, not to mention transcribed even more ways? I've got another > family that can be corrupted into any number of spellings.....it ended > up being Yhalkee. It was spelled on one gravestone as Ya-Chalke, and > we were told that it was originally pronounced "Jakalkee". I don't > know how much stock to put in it. > They were also Prussian. The Prussian born ones only show up on the > 1870 census, with my husband's ggGrandfather born in 1855 in Ohio. No > idea if they were ever naturalized or not. Sometimes I wonder what > some of these people were running from. > > Elaine > > On 11/21/06, Theholigrail@aol.com <Theholigrail@aol.com> wrote: >> Eileen, Have your tried under the name spelling of miers, or meier/s >> ? >> I haven't been able to locate mine in NY either. Sometimes they just >> lied. >> Jo Ann > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:26:55 EST > From: Theholigrail@aol.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Myres/Myers/Meyer from Prussia/Germany to Ohio > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <536.2de95a6b.32950f6f@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Elaine, > Yeah know, I always knew that if nothing else these sites are here to > make > us laugh. > And it always happens when we least expect it. You made me laught > tonite. WE > all want to know all the information we can get, but if we ever got > our > hands around these relatives necks I do believe we would kill them > where they > stand. > Yhalkee Ya-Chalke Jakalkee And you wonder why they changed their > names. > I have never seen or heard of this name and I have helped transcribe > some > lists for site too. And they say English is hard. I think that the > people > writing this stuff down were deaf too. Did they stay in Ohio? Have > you ever gone > to the Latter Day Saint family centers? > Everyone have a nice Thanksgiving > Jo Ann > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS list administrator, send an > email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS mailing list, send an > email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the > body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 159 > ******************************************************* >