Hi Kathleen, In refernece to your msg. "kajh" <kajh76@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] http://castlegarden.org or http://stevemorse.org " If you need more assistance, just ask." I know this wasn't directed to me, but I have tried these sites. I have had no luck with the castlegarden.org. The stevemorse.org doesn't seem to want work for me. I must be doing something wrong. I am looking for the SELINGER family. The best lead I have found is on www.saxonyroots.com. It had a Hermann SELINGER, age 17 on the Hansa, departed Hamburg Germany and arrived 14 June 1872 in NY via Liverpool. My family has a Herman(n) (George ?) or (George?) Herman(n) SELINGER or SELLINGER, born 11 Oct. 1854. The SELINGER or SELLINGER family I am researching was thought to have come from southern Germany and consisted of the parents.... August b. 25 Jan. 1825 in Germany? d. 14 June 1877 in Joliet, Will Co. IL. Wilhelmina (Minnie) b. 2 August 1824 in Germany ? d. 11 May 1889 in Joliet, Will Co. IL Children: George Hermann or Hermann George b. 11 October 1854 m. 26 Jan 1879 in Joliet, Will Co. IL d. 5 June 1932 in Joliet, Will Co. IL Julius b. estimated abt. 1860 moved abt. 1900 from Joliet, Will Co. IL and never heard from again. *Bertha Emilie b. 18 July 1866 m. 23 Sept. 1886 in Joliet, Will Co. IL d. 1 April 1937 in Joliet, Will Co. IL *my maternal Grt-grndm I am desperate to find their immigration records. Any help is greatly appreciated..... Best regards, Tricia M. .

Hello Tricia, The John Selinger (b ca 1825) family whose passenger ship list I have found first settled in 1870 in Fountain Green, Hancock Co., Illinois. One of their sons, Herman Selinger (butcher), appears on the 1900 census in Joliet Ward 3, Will Co., Illinois married to an "Eva", with children Walter and George. Are these Selingers your relations? I'm a bit confused about the children "Julius" and "Bertha Emilie" who do not appear on the 1870 census. You wrote that Bertha Emilie married in 1886. What was her husbands name? Ursula

Just for clarification and additional requested info...... SELINGER family The best lead I have found is on www.saxonyroots.com. It had a Hermann SELINGER, age 17 on the Hansa, departed Hamburg Germany and arrived 14 June 1872 in NY via Liverpool. My family has a Herman(n) (George ?) or (George?) Herman(n) SELINGER or SELLINGER, born 11 Oct. 1854. The SELINGER or SELLINGER family I am researching was thought to have come from southern Germany, but there is also a possibility they came from somewhere else, including Prussia. ***parents.... August b. 25 Jan. 1825 in Germany? d. 14 June 1877 in Joliet, Will Co. IL. Wilhelmina (Minnie) b. 2 August 1824 in Germany ? d. 11 May 1889 in Joliet, Will Co. IL *** Children: Hermann George or George Hermann b. 11 October 1854 m. 26 Jan 1879 in Joliet, Will Co. IL to Eva Hollerung - this couple had 2 sons (Herman & Walter), but I also have a possible but unconfirmed 3rd son (George) d. 5 June 1932 in Joliet, Will Co. IL Julius b. estimated abt. 1860 moved abt. 1900 from Joliet, Will Co. IL and never heard from again. Oral runmor, he went to the Dakodas to hunt gold. There is no info if this son had descendants. There is a Julius on the DC Census, after 1900. He is a jeweler, married, and with 2 daus. I cannot prove or disprove him to be my Julius. Bertha Emilie (my maternal Grt-grndm) b. 18 July 1866 m. 23 Sept. 1886 in Joliet, Will Co. IL to Ernst (Earnest) Freidrich BARZ (BARTZ) They had 2 sons that died as children and three daus.(Alma, Hattie or Hedwig, and Loretta), all married, but only 2 had children. d. 1 April 1937 in Joliet, Will Co. IL I apologize that I did not site my research proofs. Firstly, we have a photo of the parents with one son and Bertha. I have a living Aunt, not too elderly, from this side of my family. I am the first generation on both sides of my family who was not born in Joilet IL, since 1870 or before. Even my brother was born in Joliet. In 2001, my Aunt, my husband, and I made a trip to Joliet. We went to visit the family graves, former homes, and other family sites of interest. I had already researched the Joliet City Directories from 1884-1892. More info was obtained from St. Peter (formerly Petri) Lutheran Church where my German families were members. My Aunt and I also went through all her family photos and documents before the trip. Graves of Wilhelmina and August SELINGER were next to Herman and Eva SELINGER with their two young sons. My Aunt had visited this small German Cemetery many times, as a child and as an adult. She knows these belonged to our family. So I am relatively (no pun intended) sure of the information I have so far. I do not have any information on any sibilings of August or of his wife, Wilhelmina (Minnie), nor her maiden name. I wish I had another lead such as that. I also keep hoping I might find some descendants of Bertha's brothers. That is assuming they had some and if they survived to be adults. I have seen the other SELINGERs, but they are not the same family, as far as I know. Also, my Herman in Joliet as a butcher is not the same Herman mentioned on the 1870 Hancock Co. Census, as far as I know. None of my SELINGER family was born in the US. Bertha was supposed to have been 6 years old when the family emigranted, which is why I am placing the family emigration in 1870-73 time frame. Thanks for the attempts to help..... Tricia M. ___________________________________________________________________ --- "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> wrote: >> John Selinger Junior and the mother of John Selinger >> Senior must have come at a different time. >> You wrote that you thought your ancestors came from >> Southern Germany. Having said that there >> are several Selinger families in Southern Illinois >> who came from Baden >> The 1870 census states that the family came from >> Hesse-Darmstadt. Unfortunately, when I >> checked the Hesse-D archives, the Selingers were not >> listed among the emigrants. >> Just now I'm trying to find the ship on which John >> Selinger Junior and Elisabeth Selinger, >> mother of John Sr. immigrated. >> >> Ursula ----- Original Message ----- From: "kajh" <kajh76@yahoo.com> > The Hermann Selinger, age 17, who emmigrated from the > port in Hamburg had a departure date of June 14, 1872 > on the S.S. Hansa, according to the listing at > saxonyroots. (indirect route). > > Did August Selinger have any siblings you are aware > of? > > Here is the family group mentioned from Will > County, IL - their arrival to the U.S. was 1865. > - > 1870 U.S. Census > > Illinois > Hancock County > Fountain Green Twp. > > John Selinger, Sr., b. approx. 1826, age 44, Farmer, > Property Value: $5,000.00; Personal Valuables: > $3,000.00; Hesse-Darmstadt / Hessen-Darmstadt > > Wilhelmina Selinger, b. approx. 1829, age 41, Keeping > House, Hesse-Darmstadt / Hessen-Darmstadt > > John Selinger,Jr., b. approx. 1847, age 23, Farmer, > Hesse-Darmstadt / Hessen-Darmstadt > > Kate Selinger, b. approx. 1848, age 22, > Hesse-Darmstadt / Hessen-Darmstadt > > Minnie Selinger, b. approx. 1852, age 18, > Hesse-Darmstadt / Hessen-Darmstadt > > Herman Selinger, b. approx. 1856, age 14, > Hesse-Darmstadt / Hessen-Darmstadt > > Adam Selinger, b. approx. 1861, age 9, Hesse-Darmstadt > / Hessen-Darmstadt > > Frank Selinger, b. approx. 1864, age 6, Illinois > > Elisabeth Selinger, b. approx. 1787, age 83, Retired, > Hesse-Darmstadt / Hessen-Darmstadt > > > Microfilm Roll: M593_226, Page 127 > National Archives and Records Administration, > Washington, D.C. > > & > > John Selinger, Sr. and Family Passenger Record: > > > Ship Name: S.S.Bremen > Master of Ship: J.C. Myers > > Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany > Arrival Date: 12 Aug 1865 > Port of Arrival: New York > Place of Origin: Germany > > > Microfilm: M237_255; List Number: 760 > New York > National Archives, Washington, D.C. > > Kathleen > ____________________________________________________________________ > --- "Ursula B. Adamson" wrote: > > Hello Tricia, > The John Selinger (b ca 1825) family whose passenger > ship list I have found first settled in > 1870 in Fountain Green, Hancock Co., Illinois. > One of their sons, Herman Selinger (butcher), > appears on the 1900 census in Joliet Ward 3, > Will Co., Illinois married to an "Eva", with > children Walter and George. > Are these Selingers your relations? > I'm a bit confused about the children "Julius" and > "Bertha Emilie" who do not appear on the > 1870 census. You wrote that Bertha Emilie married in > 1886. What was her husbands name? __________________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] John Selinger > Hello Tricia, > The John Selinger (b ca 1825) family whose passenger ship list I have > found first settled in 1870 in Fountain Green, Hancock Co., Illinois. One > of their sons, Herman Selinger (butcher), appears on the 1900 census in > Joliet Ward 3, Will Co., Illinois married to an "Eva", with children > Walter and George. Are these Selingers your relations? I'm a bit confused about the children "Julius" and "Bertha Emilie" who do not appear on the 1870 census. You wrote that Bertha Emilie married in 1886. What was her husbands name? > > Ursula

Hello Tricia, After I replied to your original email, someone else sent you an email asking about an August Selinger that is not mentioned in your original request. Where does August fit in? While 'kajh' jumped the gun in listing the passengers that I found, I must add that not all of the family members shown on the 1870 census came at the same time. John Selinger Junior and the mother of John Selinger Senior must have come at a different time. You wrote that you thought your ancestors came from Southern Germany. Having said that there are several Selinger families in Southern Illinois who came from Baden so it's important that you search backward from your ggrandmother Bertha so as to be sure you are not crossing into another line. The 1870 census states that the family came from Hesse-Darmstadt. Unfortunately, when I checked the Hesse-D archives, the Selingers were not listed among the emigrants. Just now I'm trying to find the ship on which John Selinger Junior and Elisabeth Selinger, mother of John Sr. immigrated. Ursula

Ursula, There was no jumping of any guns. We simply happened to be working on the look-up at the same time. Instead of creating yet another new thread, it was apt to add onto yours. This isn't a competition - only an aggregate effort in trying to assist a fellow Mail List member. Her family shows as coming in the years approx. 1871 - 1873 to maybe 1875 on the Joliet, IL Census data. Her original inquiry listed August and Wilhelmina as being the parents of Hermann Georg or Georg Hermann Selinger/Sellinger. My thought was perhaps the family in the township other than Joliet may have been related; eg. John Selinger, Sr. may have been a brother to her August Selinger. Tricia was going on the premise the arrival was c. 1872 which the Hamburg listing indicated as well as did the census from Joliet, IL. I will not enter into any competitive baiting words, for that negates the purpose of trying to assist one another. A group Mailing List is to help each other and learn from one another. I don't have all the answers 100% of the time. You don't have all the answers 100% of the time. Our efforts together though is what may make a difference...and that is a positive. Best regards, Kathleen ___________________________________________________________________ --- "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> wrote: Hello Tricia, After I replied to your original email, someone else sent you an email asking about an August Selinger that is not mentioned in your original request. Where does August fit in? While 'kajh' jumped the gun in listing the passengers that I found, I must add that not all of the family members shown on the 1870 census came at the same time. John Selinger Junior and the mother of John Selinger Senior must have come at a different time. You wrote that you thought your ancestors came from Southern Germany. Having said that there are several Selinger families in Southern Illinois who came from Baden so it's important that you search backward from your ggrandmother Bertha so as to be sure you are not crossing into another line. The 1870 census states that the family came from Hesse-Darmstadt. Unfortunately, when I checked the Hesse-D archives, the Selingers were not listed among the emigrants. Just now I'm trying to find the ship on which John Selinger Junior and Elisabeth Selinger, mother of John Sr. immigrated. Ursula __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com