THanks, Rita, you are correct. I just have to "keep on keeping on." I realize that things back then were not as important as they are today. Otherwise, people would remember when they and their children were born. But, then again, if one does not read or write, they would not have been expected to keep up with all of the records. Thanks for your reply. Joseph pedfamily@charter.net wrote: Joseph: I'm not sure inaccuracies is the correct word. I think people have to understand that just because a lot of lists are out there doesn't mean that they are all there. Lists have been lost, missed placed or not transcribed. You just have to keep trying maybe some other year they will appear or maybe you will be unlucky and the list you are looking for may never appear. Maybe part of the list was so damaged it could not be read. It is also possible that they are not listed under the R's maybe the transcriber thought it was a B or some other letter. We make the mistake of thinking that past was like the present and the importance of records was the same then as now. Keep hunting like many of the rest of us. Rita -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joseph C Dorsey Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:25 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Germans to America Well, I guess I have to add my voice to those who have stated the Germans To America series has inaccuracies. I have been spending the summer in Canada to escape the heat and humidity of the Texas Gulf coast. I was in the National Archives in Ottawa last week and found they had the complete series and decided to find my German great grandfather, August Raif, and his wife and two sons. They came to the U.S. circa 1880 and are in the 1890 census in Texas. I thoroughly checked Vol. 23, which starts in June 1869, through Vol 61, which ends in October, 1891. Knowing their last name could have been spelling Raif, Reif, Reiff, or anything starting with those letter, I checked all names starting with "R." There was nothing there, so its back to the drawing board for this group of my ancestors. This means they are back in the "elusive" columns with my Polish and Irish ancestors. Joseph Sealy, TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

joseph do you have more info so we can possibly help you, birth place and dates, names of children and wife? Was augusts' wife Kattie or Katherine? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph C Dorsey<mailto:jcd622@sbcglobal.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com<mailto:germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Germans to America THanks, Rita, you are correct. I just have to "keep on keeping on." I realize that things back then were not as important as they are today. Otherwise, people would remember when they and their children were born. But, then again, if one does not read or write, they would not have been expected to keep up with all of the records. Thanks for your reply. Joseph pedfamily@charter.net<mailto:pedfamily@charter.net> wrote: Joseph: I'm not sure inaccuracies is the correct word. I think people have to understand that just because a lot of lists are out there doesn't mean that they are all there. Lists have been lost, missed placed or not transcribed. You just have to keep trying maybe some other year they will appear or maybe you will be unlucky and the list you are looking for may never appear. Maybe part of the list was so damaged it could not be read. It is also possible that they are not listed under the R's maybe the transcriber thought it was a B or some other letter. We make the mistake of thinking that past was like the present and the importance of records was the same then as now. Keep hunting like many of the rest of us. Rita -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joseph C Dorsey Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:25 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com<mailto:germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Subject: [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Germans to America Well, I guess I have to add my voice to those who have stated the Germans To America series has inaccuracies. I have been spending the summer in Canada to escape the heat and humidity of the Texas Gulf coast. I was in the National Archives in Ottawa last week and found they had the complete series and decided to find my German great grandfather, August Raif, and his wife and two sons. They came to the U.S. circa 1880 and are in the 1890 census in Texas. I thoroughly checked Vol. 23, which starts in June 1869, through Vol 61, which ends in October, 1891. Knowing their last name could have been spelling Raif, Reif, Reiff, or anything starting with those letter, I checked all names starting with "R." There was nothing there, so its back to the drawing board for this group of my ancestors. This means they are back in the "elusive" columns with my Polish and Irish ancestors. Joseph Sealy, TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Katie Mozarski was August John Raif's second wife. His first wife, Maryanna Kapczynski, b. 28 Feb 1853 in Miescisko, Poland, d. 13 Dec 1890 Houston, Texas, was my great grandmother. She is the one he came with to the U.S. They had eight children, the first two being born in Germany. They were Frank Hogland Raif, b 18 Aug 1873, and Alexander J. Raif, b. Dec 1867. August married Katie in about 1892 and did father 5 more children with her. He was listed as a naturalized citizen in the 1890 and 1910 census. I was disappointed that he was not listed in Germans to American, but then there are a lot of people that are disappointed with that series. Joseph Timothy Delabar <timdelabar@msn.com> wrote: joseph do you have more info so we can possibly help you, birth place and dates, names of children and wife? Was augusts' wife Kattie or Katherine? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joseph C Dorsey To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Germans to America THanks, Rita, you are correct. I just have to "keep on keeping on." I realize that things back then were not as important as they are today. Otherwise, people would remember when they and their children were born. But, then again, if one does not read or write, they would not have been expected to keep up with all of the records. Thanks for your reply. Joseph pedfamily@charter.net wrote: Joseph: I'm not sure inaccuracies is the correct word. I think people have to understand that just because a lot of lists are out there doesn't mean that they are all there. Lists have been lost, missed placed or not transcribed. You just have to keep trying maybe some other year they will appear or maybe you will be unlucky and the list you are looking for may never appear. Maybe part of the list was so damaged it could not be read. It is also possible that they are not listed under the R's maybe the transcriber thought it was a B or some other letter. We make the mistake of thinking that past was like the present and the importance of records was the same then as now. Keep hunting like many of the rest of us. Rita -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joseph C Dorsey Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:25 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Germans to America Well, I guess I have to add my voice to those who have stated the Germans To America series has inaccuracies. I have been spending the summer in Canada to escape the heat and humidity of the Texas Gulf coast. I was in the National Archives in Ottawa last week and found they had the complete series and decided to find my German great grandfather, August Raif, and his wife and two sons. They came to the U.S. circa 1880 and are in the 1890 census in Texas. I thoroughly checked Vol. 23, which starts in June 1869, through Vol 61, which ends in October, 1891. Knowing their last name could have been spelling Raif, Reif, Reiff, or anything starting with those letter, I checked all names starting with "R." There was nothing there, so its back to the drawing board for this group of my ancestors. This means they are back in the "elusive" columns with my Polish and Irish ancestors. Joseph Sealy, TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Just to add to frustration, well, the humor in it...I know it well. I couldn't locate my Dad and his birth family on the 1930 IL census. Believe me, I knew exactly where they were then. For crying out loud, their name was DAVIS. How could that be messed up !?! Well, in desperation, I just put in my aunt, Dad's younger sister. Just her first name, in the census search.... immediately it popped up. Thankfully, hers was not a really common name and I knew the exact area to look. Turned out their surname had been mis-transcribed as "MAVIS". I have to give the person who made the error a break. The census taker made a "D" look like an "M". Even looking for it, I might have made the same mistake. So, sometimes creative research to the extreme is needed. No, I haven't found either my Pomm. or German. emigration records yet.I figured out a creative miracle search technique for them yet....... Tricia M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C Dorsey" <jcd622@sbcglobal.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Germans to America > THanks, Rita, you are correct. I just have to "keep on keeping on." I > realize that things back then were not as important as they are today. > Otherwise, people would remember when they and their children were born. > But, then again, if one does not read or write, they would not have been > expected to keep up with all of the records. > > Thanks for your reply. > > Joseph > > pedfamily@charter.net wrote: > Joseph: > > I'm not sure inaccuracies is the correct word. I think people have to > understand that just because a lot of lists are out there doesn't mean > that > they are all there. Lists have been lost, missed placed or not > transcribed. You just have to keep trying maybe some other year they will > appear or maybe you will be unlucky and the list you are looking for may > never appear. Maybe part of the list was so damaged it could not be read. > > It is also possible that they are not listed under the R's maybe the > transcriber thought it was a B or some other letter. > > We make the mistake of thinking that past was like the present and the > importance of records was the same then as now. > > Keep hunting like many of the rest of us. > > Rita > > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joseph > C > Dorsey > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:25 AM > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Germans to America > > Well, I guess I have to add my voice to those who have stated the Germans > To America series has inaccuracies. > > I have been spending the summer in Canada to escape the heat and humidity > of the Texas Gulf coast. I was in the National Archives in Ottawa last > week and found they had the complete series and decided to find my German > great grandfather, August Raif, and his wife and two sons. They came to > the U.S. circa 1880 and are in the 1890 census in Texas. I thoroughly > checked Vol. 23, which starts in June 1869, through Vol 61, which ends in > October, 1891. Knowing their last name could have been spelling Raif, > Reif, Reiff, or anything starting with those letter, I checked all names > starting with "R." There was nothing there, so its back to the drawing > board for this group of my ancestors. This means they are back in the > "elusive" columns with my Polish and Irish ancestors. > > Joseph > Sealy, TX > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >