Last days i read about the some difficulties to find the difference between Germany and Prussia. Germany, as we know it today, has been formed in 1871 when the German Empire (The 2nd Empire) was formed. After both World Wars Germany lost about 1/3 of the area: German Empire 1871 = 208000 sq.miles, Germany today = 138000 sq.miles. Prussia always was a part of the German Empire. ********* The German Confederation 1815 - 1871 The German Confederation embraced ca. 243243 sq.miles with ca. 29 millions inhabitants. Founder members of the German Confederation were: • Empire of Austria incl. Bohemia and Moravia (but without Kingdom of Hungary, Kingdom of Venice, Provinces of Galicia, Croatia & Bosnia-Herzegowina) • Kingdom of Prussia (without the provinces of Posen, East- and Westprussia) • Kingdom of Bavaria (includes Rhineland-Palatinate) • Kingdom of Saxony • Kingdom of Hannover (from 1837 in personnel union with Great Britain) • Kingdom of Wuerttemberg • Electorate of Hessen-Kassel • Grande Duchy of Baden • Grande Duchy of Hessen-Darmstadt • Grande Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin • Grande Duchy of Mecklenburg-Strelitz • Grande Duchy of Oldenburg • Grande Duchy of Saxony-Weimar-Eisenach • Grande Duchy of Luxembourg personnel union with the Netherlands) • Duchy of Holstein and Lauenburg personnel union with Denmark) • Duchy of Nassau • Duchy of Brunswick • Duchy of Saxony-Gotha-Altenburg • Duchy of Saxony-Coburg-Saalfeld • Duchy of Saxony-Meiningen • Duchy of Saxony-Hildburghausen • Duchy of Anhalt-Dessau • Duchy of Anhalt-Koethen • Duchy of Anhalt-Bernburg • County of Hessen-Homburg • Principality of Waldeck • Principality of Lippe-Detmold • Principality of Schaumburg-Lippe • Principality of Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt • Principality of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen • Principality of Reuss older Lineage • Principality of Reuss younger Lineage • Principality of Hohenzollern-Hechingen • Principality of Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen • Principality of Liechtenstein • Free and Hanseatic Town Luebeck • Free and Hanseatic Town Bremen • Free and Hanseatic Town Hamburg • Free Town Frankfurt In the year 1825 vanishes the line Saxony - Gotha - Altenburg. Through a by the Saxon king Friedrich August I. announced arbitration award in the year 1826 the Saxon duchies in Thuringia get territorially new ordered: The line Saxony - Hildburghausen abandons her estates and assumes Saxony - Altenburg. Saxony - Coburg - Saalfeld abandons for Saalfeld. The territories Hildburghausen and Saalfeld come to Saxony - Meiningen. The territory Gotha comes to Saxony - Coburg. The Duchy of Saxony - Coburg - Gotha comes into being. In 1847 vanishes the house Anhalt - Koethen. The territory Koethen get thereupon a mutual administration by Anhalt - Bernburg and Anhalt - Dessau. In the year 1863 vanishes the house Anhalt - Bernburg. Anhalt - Dessau rules now the whole Duchy of Anhalt. In the Reussian estates exist in 1815 initially two lines of the house Reuss younger lineage (Reuss - Ebersdorf and Reuss - Schleiz) and one line of the house Reuss older lineage (Reuss - Greiz). The middler line was already vanished in 1616. In the year 1848 abandons Reuss - Ebersdorf in favor for Reuss - Schleiz. The territories of the younger lineage get summarized as Reuss - Gera. In the year 1849 the princes of Hohenzollern - Sigmaringen and Hohenzollern - Hechingen abandoned their sovereignty in favor of Prussia – their countries became a Prussian governmental district. All member states were still fully indepedent with own legislative, jurisdiction, import fees & tax policy, military structure, currency. ******* The German Empire embraced abt. 539740 sq.km or 208393 sq.miles, 44.211.000 were living in the German Empire in 1878. List of the federal Countries of the German Empire 1871 till 1919 (The 2nd Empire): • Kingdom of Prussia • Kingdom of Bavaria (includes Rhineland-Palatinate) • Kingdom of Wuerttemberg • Kingdom of Saxony • Grande Duchy of Mecklenburg-Schwerin • Grande Duchy of Mecklenburg-Strelitz • Grande Duchy of Oldenburg • Grande Duchy of Baden • Grande Duchy of Hessen (Hessen-Darmstadt) • Grande Duchy of Saxony-Weimar-Eisenach • Duchy of Anhalt • Duchy of Brunswick • Duchy of Saxony-Altenburg • Duchy of Saxony-Coburg-Gotha • Duchy of Saxony-Meiningen • Principality of Lippe-Detmold • Principality of Reuss older Lineage • Principality of Reuss younger Lineage • Principality of Schaumburg-Lippe • Principality of Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt • Principality of Schwarzburg-Sondershausen • Principality of Waldeck • Empire's Country of Elsass-Lothringen (Alsace-Lorraine) • Free and Hanseatic Town Luebeck • Free and Hanseatic Town Hamburg • Free and Hanseatic Town Bremen The Provinces of Prussia (1871-1919) than were: - Schleswig-Holstein (former Duchy) - Hannover (former Kingdom) - Westfalia - Rhineland - Hessen-Kassel (former Electorate) - Saxonia (former Kingdom) - Brandenburg - Pommerania - Posen - East-Prussia - West-Prussia - Silesia Prussia covered abt. 67 percent of the German Empires area, nearly 60 percent of inhabitants lived in Prussia. All member states were still fully independent in most inner affairs. Civil Law was harmonized, the "Mark" (later Reichsmark (1924) and German Mark (1949)) became common curreny in all member states. Regards Malte Witt

Malte, Thank you for your contribution. Would you be able to further define the "Kingdom of Prussia (without the provinces of Posen, East- and Westprussia)" that was part of "The German Confederation 1815 - 1871". Best wishes, Bette Last days i read about the some difficulties to find the difference between Germany and Prussia. Germany, as we know it today, has been formed in 1871 when the German Empire (The 2nd Empire) was formed. After both World Wars Germany lost about 1/3 of the area: German Empire 1871 = 208000 sq.miles, Germany today = 138000 sq.miles. Prussia always was a part of the German Empire. ********* The German Confederation 1815 - 1871 The German Confederation embraced ca. 243243 sq.miles with ca. 29 millions inhabitants. Founder members of the German Confederation were: . Empire of Austria incl. Bohemia and Moravia (but without Kingdom of Hungary, Kingdom of Venice, Provinces of Galicia, Croatia & Bosnia-Herzegowina) . Kingdom of Prussia (without the provinces of Posen, East- and Westprussia)

Hello - my name is Julie and I need help :D I am trying to trace back my ancestors and I'm stuck. I know they came from Bavaria (census) but other than that I'm SOL. This is what I have Margaret and ? Horning/Hornung had their first child John in 1840 in Kentucky (have no clue what city) They had their second, Jacob and third, Margaret in Missouri. On the 1850 St. Louis, MO census it lists the children and the mother - no father then Jacob goes to Kentucky (1860 census) and pretty much stays in that area KY/IN. Jacob's death cert, (1889) doesn't have any info. I have no idea where Margaret ended up. I think I might have found John on the 1880 census, and it stated widower, but I don't know when he died or where (I'm thinking he might have stayed in the St. Louis area) There is a John Henry Horning probate 1849 on the MO website, but it doesn't list a wife and I think it's the same from another list which has him as being 29 in 1850, which would have him as 19 when John was born, so possible, but only kind of probable - don't you think? Does anyone know, or can suggest where they would have landed? Was this a normal route? Why the Kentucky to Missouri route? Both locations seem to have a strong German population, was this normal back then? What religion they might have been? (my dad's family was catholic, but back then??) I have no clue if they married here or there? Came over together or seperately? Any and all help would help. Thank you Julie --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

I would like information regarding Silesia and Prussia. Some of my ancestors are from Seitendorf, Silesia/Germany/Prussia depending upon what regard you read. I also understand that there are 4 Seitendorf's which makes it almost impossible to find out which Kreis they were in. Thank for the information, Jan ******************** Malte, Thank you for your contribution. Would you be able to further define the "Kingdom of Prussia (without the provinces of Posen, East- and Westprussia)" that was part of "The German Confederation 1815 - 1871". Best wishes, Bette Last days i read about the some difficulties to find the difference between Germany and Prussia. Germany, as we know it today, has been formed in 1871 when the German Empire (The 2nd Empire) was formed. After both World Wars Germany lost about 1/3 of the area: German Empire 1871 = 208000 sq.miles, Germany today = 138000 sq.miles. Prussia always was a part of the German Empire. ********* The German Confederation 1815 - 1871 The German Confederation embraced ca. 243243 sq.miles with ca. 29 millions inhabitants. Founder members of the German Confederation were: . Empire of Austria incl. Bohemia and Moravia (but without Kingdom of Hungary, Kingdom of Venice, Provinces of Galicia, Croatia & Bosnia-Herzegowina) . Kingdom of Prussia (without the provinces of Posen, East- and Westprussia)