I read with interest your discussion. My grandfather, Oswald Carl Buttig, in the 1920 United States Census listed his birth place as: Saxony (Kingdom State) {Sachsen (Kgr./Land in Bundesrepublik) Saxony (Kingdom?State); Deutschland} and his Father's Birth Place as: Saxony (Kingdom State). In some research on(www.flaggenlexikon.de/fdtprvsx.htm), it stated that in 1816 - creation of the Province of Saxony from the following territories: .from the Kingdom of Saxony to Prussia ceded territories; . the Prussian territories Altmark and Magdeburg Town. The formerly to Mainz belonging possessions Erfurt Town and Eichsfeld. And, in 1944 partition of the Province of Saxony into the Provinces of Magdeburg and Halle-Merseburg, the Governmental District to Erfurt came to Thuringia. And in 1945, unification of the Provinces of Magdeburg and Hale-Merseburg, with the country Anhalt to the country Province of Saxony - Anhalt. I am still trying to find a map which would show the exact location of the Kingdom of Saxony in about 1816. Any ideas? Joyce Karl, jfkceo@cox.net. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bbfritch@aol.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Prussia > > Thanks, Susan. I learn something every day. I guess I should have known > that , but I don't remember everything I read and seeing maps from > different > years helps confuse me. Prussia used to look really big, now I wonder if > what > is see is really "Prussia.," or what the large area of old Prussia is > now > called. > > My ancestor who came from Prussia 1851 was listed as German some of the > time. Is that a misnomer? Is/was Hesse-Nassau part of Prussia? That's > where I > have been looking for him because that's the only Fritsch that fit the > time > in the passenger lists. > > Betty > FL > > Betty, > > Germany wasn't united as a country until 1871. Up until then, it was > divided into duchies of various sizes (Saxony, Hesse-Darmstadt, Bavaria) > plus the kingdom of Prussia (perhaps others were considered kingdoms, but > I > don't think so). Otto von Bismarck, advisor to the Prussian king, > engineered the unification of Germany in 1871, but I think it was a while > before people considered themselves Germans. > > Susan > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Joyce, Try this site: http://www.files.maproom.org/00/12/present.php?m=0025<http://www.files.maproom.org/00/12/present.php?m=0025> Happy hunting! Dot Michael Dresher, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: Joyce F Karl<mailto:jfkceo@cox.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com<mailto:germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:52 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Prussia I read with interest your discussion. My grandfather, Oswald Carl Buttig, in the 1920 United States Census listed his birth place as: Saxony (Kingdom State) {Sachsen (Kgr./Land in Bundesrepublik) Saxony (Kingdom?State); Deutschland} and his Father's Birth Place as: Saxony (Kingdom State). In some research on(www.flaggenlexikon.de/fdtprvsx.htm<http://www.flaggenlexikon.de/fdtprvsx.htm>), it stated that in 1816 - creation of the Province of Saxony from the following territories: .from the Kingdom of Saxony to Prussia ceded territories; . the Prussian territories Altmark and Magdeburg Town. The formerly to Mainz belonging possessions Erfurt Town and Eichsfeld. And, in 1944 partition of the Province of Saxony into the Provinces of Magdeburg and Halle-Merseburg, the Governmental District to Erfurt came to Thuringia. And in 1945, unification of the Provinces of Magdeburg and Hale-Merseburg, with the country Anhalt to the country Province of Saxony - Anhalt. I am still trying to find a map which would show the exact location of the Kingdom of Saxony in about 1816. Any ideas? Joyce Karl, jfkceo@cox.net<mailto:jfkceo@cox.net>. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bbfritch@aol.com<mailto:Bbfritch@aol.com>> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com<mailto:germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Prussia > > Thanks, Susan. I learn something every day. I guess I should have known > that , but I don't remember everything I read and seeing maps from > different > years helps confuse me. Prussia used to look really big, now I wonder if > what > is see is really "Prussia.," or what the large area of old Prussia is > now > called. > > My ancestor who came from Prussia 1851 was listed as German some of the > time. Is that a misnomer? Is/was Hesse-Nassau part of Prussia? That's > where I > have been looking for him because that's the only Fritsch that fit the > time > in the passenger lists. > > Betty > FL > > Betty, > > Germany wasn't united as a country until 1871. Up until then, it was > divided into duchies of various sizes (Saxony, Hesse-Darmstadt, Bavaria) > plus the kingdom of Prussia (perhaps others were considered kingdoms, but > I > don't think so). Otto von Bismarck, advisor to the Prussian king, > engineered the unification of Germany in 1871, but I think it was a while > before people considered themselves Germans. > > Susan > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message