Thank you Wayne for the RUSSMNANN info. Most of the RUSSMANNS are mine..I had the Voter registration info on Arjen..Haro (aka Harold)and John are probably his brothers..just don't have enough information yet to be sure. Appreciate your reply..when I do find their emigration information I will have to throw an e-line party for all of you who have helped me along the way..now that might be fun!! Noreen --- germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Prussia (DOROTHY MICHAEL) > 2. Re: Ostfriesland emigration query (Wayne J. > Straight) > 3. RE Prussia, Maproom, Worms, & Hesse-Darmstadt > (newfshistory@earthlink.net) > 4. Re: RE Prussia, Maproom, Worms, & > Hesse-Darmstadt (kajh) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:55:46 -0400 > From: "DOROTHY MICHAEL" <dotjuan1@msn.com> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Prussia > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <BAY117-DAV16181387294FADFD2719069B0F0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Joyce, Try this site: > http://www.files.maproom.org/00/12/present.php?m=0025<http://www.files.maproom.org/00/12/present.php?m=0025> > > Happy hunting! > > Dot Michael > > Dresher, PA > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joyce F Karl<mailto:jfkceo@cox.net> > To: > germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com<mailto:germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 11:52 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Prussia > > > I read with interest your discussion. My > grandfather, Oswald Carl Buttig, > in the 1920 United States Census listed his birth > place as: Saxony (Kingdom > State) {Sachsen (Kgr./Land in Bundesrepublik) > Saxony (Kingdom?State); > Deutschland} and his Father's Birth Place as: > Saxony (Kingdom State). > > In some research > on(www.flaggenlexikon.de/fdtprvsx.htm<http://www.flaggenlexikon.de/fdtprvsx.htm>), > it stated that in > 1816 - creation of the Province of Saxony from the > following territories: > .from the Kingdom of Saxony to Prussia ceded > territories; . the Prussian > territories Altmark and Magdeburg Town. > The formerly to Mainz belonging possessions Erfurt > Town and Eichsfeld. > And, in 1944 partition of the Province of Saxony > into the Provinces of > Magdeburg and Halle-Merseburg, the Governmental > District to Erfurt came to > Thuringia. > And in 1945, unification of the Provinces of > Magdeburg and Hale-Merseburg, > with the country Anhalt to the country Province of > Saxony - Anhalt. > I am still trying to find a map which would show > the exact location of the > Kingdom of Saxony in about 1816. Any ideas? > Joyce Karl, jfkceo@cox.net<mailto:jfkceo@cox.net>. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Bbfritch@aol.com<mailto:Bbfritch@aol.com>> > To: > <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com<mailto:germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com>> > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 3:44 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Prussia > > > > > > Thanks, Susan. I learn something every day. I > guess I should have known > > that , but I don't remember everything I read > and seeing maps from > > different > > years helps confuse me. Prussia used to look > really big, now I wonder if > > what > > is see is really "Prussia.," or what the large > area of old Prussia is > > now > > called. > > > > My ancestor who came from Prussia 1851 was > listed as German some of the > > time. Is that a misnomer? Is/was Hesse-Nassau > part of Prussia? That's > > where I > > have been looking for him because that's the > only Fritsch that fit the > > time > > in the passenger lists. > > > > Betty > > FL > > > > Betty, > > > > Germany wasn't united as a country until 1871. > Up until then, it was > > divided into duchies of various sizes (Saxony, > Hesse-Darmstadt, Bavaria) > > plus the kingdom of Prussia (perhaps others were > considered kingdoms, but > > I > > don't think so). Otto von Bismarck, advisor to > the Prussian king, > > engineered the unification of Germany in 1871, > but I think it was a while > > before people considered themselves Germans. > > > > Susan > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:55:51 -0400 > From: "Wayne J. Straight" <woichi01@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Ostfriesland emigration query > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <453694D7.80603@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; > format=flowed > > Hi Noreen; > > I didn't find anything likely in the Ancestry > Immigration collection but > I did find Arsen, "Harold", and a John who is > related to Harold in both > the Voter's Registration for Chicago (1888, 1890 & > 1892), and in the > 1910, 1920 and 1930 census' for Chicago. Although > Harold & John preceded > Arsen to Chicago by 5 years, they are of an age to > have been his brothers. > > Hope this helps, cheers, Masugu. > > Chicago Voter Registration, 1888 > (Read: Cong. > Dist/Ward/Pct/Address/Name/PoB/Race/Time in > Pct./Time in > Co./Time in State/Naturalized/Date of Papers/Court/ > Qualified Voter/Date of Registration/Voted/Ballot #) > 4/21/10/59 Willow St./A. > Russman/Germany/White/3yrs/18yrs/18yrs/Yes/1879/Cook > Co. Criminal > Ct./Yes/9 Oct 1888/Yes/88 > Chicago Voter Registration, 1890 > (Read: Cong. > Dist/Ward/Pct/Address/Name/PoB/Race/Time in > Pct./Time in > Co./Time in State/Naturalized/Date of Papers/Court/ > Qualified Voter/Date of Registration/Voted/Ballot #) > 4/21/10/59 Willow St./A. > Russman/Germany/White/3yrs/18yrs/18yrs/Yes/March > 1879/Cook Co. Criminal > Ct./Yes/9 Oct 1888/No/- > 4/21/10/17 Burling St./Her. > Russman/Germany/White/6yrs/23yrs/23yrs/Yes/Date > unknown/Ct. > unknown/Yes/14 Oct 1890/No/- > 4/21/13/605 Franklin St./John > Russman/Germany/White/4yrs/23yrs/23yrs/Yes/1879/Cook > Co. Ct./Yes/14 Oct > 1890/Yes/- > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com