Ursula, Yes Whilhemina married Claus Wichman they married in 1892 and he died in 1896. The Brumms' were Lutheran, Whilhemina and Charles, and dau Pauline and Fred Fisher are buried in the Lutheran church cem. in Forestville. Claus is buried in the Delaware cem. along with George Brumm, who is buried way in the back of the cem. alone. Clause is in a Wischman family plot. On one trip to Forestville the minister's wife looked up one birth record, and she said that was all there was. My grandmother Anna, said that her sister Clara was about 3 years old and when the men were sweeping the deck, that Clara almost fell over board. None of my Michigan cousins have any information about when the family immigrated. One year a researcher went to the 3 towns that the Brumms' lived in, she also filmed the church in Crimmitschau that my grandmother was baptized in. After finding Clara's birth records she didn't look further for George, as I had told her I thought that he was born in Michigan. Maybe I should call her and ask her when she will be going to Saxony again. To look further. I have the Germans to America List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports Vol 31 Dec 1873-Dec 1874. There is one mother and children arriving Nov 2. 1874 in New York on the ship Oceanic, from Liverpool and Queenstown. the mother is listed as Braner, Maria age 37 children Pauline 11 Rosa 10 Clemens 9 Emma 7 Anna 8 Albert 4 Clara 1 The mother's name is different, the children are in the correct order with a bit of difference in their ages. Maria > Hello Maria, > I believe I did a check on your BRUMM family from Sanliac Co previously. > I believe that the 1910 census info for Charles C [Clement] where it says > he came in 1884 is correct. Obviously it is an error since he is already > shown on the 1880 census at age 16. > I believe that the family came on or about 1874 and that all of the > children born after that date were born in Michigan and not in Saxony as > shown on the 1880 census. > The 1880 census would have given us more accurate information re > immigration if the census taker had not put ditto marks behind each name. > My reasoning is based on the fact that Charles BRUMM senior filed his > first paper - the declaration of Intent - in 1876. He had to have been in > the country for at least 2 years before he could file. The actually > naturalization certificate should have been issued 3 years later. > I'll keep on searching the passenger ships. > I also have another question: was Wilhelmine Fischer-Brumm remarried after > her husband's death to a man by the name of WISCHMANN ? I noticed that > she is listed as Minnie WISHMAN on the 1920 census where she is residing > with Charles Clement and his wife Minnie and their children. > And another question, what was their church affiliation? Roman Catholic or > Protestant? > Have you been able to check the church records in the church they attended > in Sanliac County? This is where you would find the birth's of the > children born in Michigan and possibly the marriage records of the other > children and death records of the Charles and Minnie senior. These church > records provide often much more family information than that > which you receive from the State. > > Ursula from Michigan > > > Maria wrote: > >> I sure hope someone can find when my grandma Anna Brumm and her parents >> and the rest of the children immigrated. >> >> My grandma said she was about 6 years old, she was born in May 5 1869, so >> I figure they immigrated about 1875-76. >> Her parents were Karl August Brumm b 1834 Mylau Zwickau, Saxony