Bette My experience with immigration records has been that the port of arrival [NY] would show the last stop of a ship as the embarkation place, ie: ships sailing from Antwerp, Belgium would, on occasion, stop in Enland for additional cargo and sometimes passengers and NY immigration showed the ship was from say Liverpool - it's last stop. It would be possible a ship would leave Bremen, sail to Hamburg for additional cargo / passengers and on to New York / Canada and then be shown as being from Hamburg. Chuck > From: "Bette McIntosh" <bmcintosh@new.rr.com> > Subject: [G-P-L] Returning ship's records in Hamburg Archives > > Greetings List Members (especially Ursula & Kathleen), > > Thank you both for your replies to my query regarding the accessibility of > Bremen EMIGRATION (passenger manifest) records. I understand that the > Bremen/Bremenhaven passenger manifest records were destroyed, at some > point, > and are no longer extant. Now, if I may take the discussion to a slightly > higher level, the background for my refined query is this.... > > In another instance, other than the one I recounted in my earlier e-mail > query, another ancestral family of mine emigrated from Prussia in 1863, > two > years before Canada registered arriving emigrant ships & their passengers. > In that year (1863) my family arrived in Quebec, Canada from Hamburg > aboard > the ship 'Ocean' (a vessel that was registered in Bremen and which > historically sailed with a Bremen Captain) BUT for some unknown reason > departed from Hamburg, not Bremen, in July. > > It is well understood by family members, although not documented by any > actual paperwork, that the patriarch of this emigrant family died at sea > and > was buried there before the ship arrived in North America in September. > > In an effort to document my ancestors demise I have located a newspaper > ('Montreal Gazette') reference to the Ocean's arrival in Quebec which > mentions the ship's load as "general cargo." However, no mention is made > of > the 157 passengers that were also aboard this particular sailing of the > 'Ocean'; this latter detail was substantiated from a review of a Mormon > (LDS/FHL) film which lists my ancestral family as passengers. > > My additional query is this. Is there any way that I can hope to locate > the > ship's log & possible report made by the vessel's Captain when, I have > been > told, the vessel returned to port in Prussia; assuming of course that the > 'Ocean' returned to Hamburg and NOT to Bremen. > > I hope this scenario makes sense and that someone can shine some light on > the possibility. I have queried a ships list mail list with no success. > > Thank you for your consideration of this request, > Bette