Hello Ann, I have been looking at the info you've provided but somehow it doesn't add up. Can you give some details as to what you're talking about when you refer to a "Citizenship Abstract"? Who authored the abstract? Why did this abstract give you a date of departure and date of arrival but not the name of the ship? And from where do you have the info that "there are no other passengers from Hesse Darmstadt leaving from Bremen except a man from Hesse Cassel by the name of John Eberhard Schuck"? Again, there must have been the name of the ship somewhere to make this statement, right? The other problem I'm having with this is the continuous change of his first name and the age at immigration. According to the "Citizenship Abstract" his age at immigration in 1851 was 33? That's either incorrect or he fudged his age on his first census, which took place in 1860. Here are the details: 1860 Census, Salisbury Twp., Meigs Co., Ohio SHRODE, Fritz(e), 30 b. Germany ........Susan, 36 b. Germany ........Mary, 5 b. OH ........Philip, 4, b. OH ........Lenard, 4 moonths Infact I noticed throughout the census years, that Fritz became Friedrich in 1870, Godrey in 1880, Susan became Elizabeth, Philip became Peter, and so on. What was the name of your ancestor? Just trying to help! Ursula ___________________________________________________ There'll come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Johnson" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 8:03:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [G-P-L] Bremen passenger I am a newbie to this list, searching for information on Bremen to New York passenger Gottfried SCHROTH, age 33 of Hesse, Darmstadt; arrival date 07/14/1851; declaration date 05/27/1854. This information is from Citizenship Record Abstracts 1837-1916, U. Cincinnati, Ohio. His Declaration of Intention states that he emigrated from Bremen 7 June, 1851 and arrived at New York 14 July, 1851. How can I further trace this man in Germany? I have tried varied sources in US with no luck. I wrote to Hesse Staatsarchiv in Darmstadt; the reply was that he was not registered in their emmigrant cards, and that the family name is very common there. They need the exact place of origin to pull out further means of searching. How can I find him there? Any ideas from the list using this meager information that I have? Can anyone help? Ann in NC For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message