Susan, I strongly disagree, considering that the German immigrants - irrespective of the time that they arrived in the 18th, 19th or 20th century - had been vassals [say slaves] all their lives and that having been one if not the main reason for their immigration. While it is true that the Americans living at that time thought it was their God given right to hold slaves, I cannot imagine that German immigrants held similar views. Ursula -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Curelopp Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:42 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. Generally speaking, being religious at that time period had nothing to do with owning slaves - they saw nothing wrong with it. And I'd say most were quite "religious," attending and contributing to their churches. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello Conrad, > Welcome to the GPL! > > You wrote that you have traced your ancestors to 1763 and 1772 in the Carolinas. What kind of records did you find that would indicate that they came from Germany? > As you know already, the name has undergone so many changes that it is difficult to say, 200+ years later, how it was spelled originally. > I found John HOLSONBACK on the 1790 census; I found him being married > under the same name to an English woman in 1798. > > On the 1800 census we have what appears to be several related persons residing in Edgefield, S.C. but with different spelling of the surname: > HOLSAMBECK, Abraham > HOLSAMBECK, Daniel > HOLSENBACK, Derrick > HOLSOMBACK, Matthew > > On the 1810 census: > HOLESOMBACK, Derrick, Jacob, John, John HOLSENBACK, Abraham > > Unfortunately, not until the 1850 census do we find out the country of origin, but by then the old-time immigrants have passed away and the new generation was born in the US. Hence the question about the 1763 and 1772 documentation. > > I do question one thing, with the Carolina immigrants, led by Joshua KOCHERTHAL, being very religious, would these settlers have engaged in slavery? > I say this because I noticed on the 1800 census that some of the HOLSAMBACKs were slave holders. Perhaps you know more about that from your research. > > Ursula > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tricia & Conrad" <triconholsomback@greenwood.net> > To: Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:28:11 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. > > I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we have not found where our family entered the country. > Conrad Holsomback > triconholsomback@greenwood.net > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm saying, whether a German immigrant or not, owning a slave had nothing to do with being religious. My direct line had no slaves, but their siblings did, and both were quite devout. You would think being a "slave" would altar your thinking. But in a new land, in an area where slavery was prominent, maybe not. What was the thinking by German immigrants at that time about people of a different color? Susan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2011, at 4:29 PM, "Ursula B Adamson" <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: > Susan, > > I strongly disagree, considering that the German immigrants - irrespective > of the time that they arrived in the 18th, 19th or 20th century - had been > vassals [say slaves] all their lives and that having been one if not the > main reason for their immigration. > > While it is true that the Americans living at that time thought it was their > God given right to hold slaves, I cannot imagine that German immigrants held > similar views. > > Ursula > > > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Curelopp > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:42 PM > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. > > Generally speaking, being religious at that time period had nothing to do > with owning slaves - they saw nothing wrong with it. And I'd say most were > quite "religious," attending and contributing to their churches. > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hello Conrad, >> Welcome to the GPL! >> >> You wrote that you have traced your ancestors to 1763 and 1772 in the > Carolinas. What kind of records did you find that would indicate that they > came from Germany? >> As you know already, the name has undergone so many changes that it is > difficult to say, 200+ years later, how it was spelled originally. >> I found John HOLSONBACK on the 1790 census; I found him being married >> under the same name to an English woman in 1798. >> >> On the 1800 census we have what appears to be several related persons > residing in Edgefield, S.C. but with different spelling of the surname: >> HOLSAMBECK, Abraham >> HOLSAMBECK, Daniel >> HOLSENBACK, Derrick >> HOLSOMBACK, Matthew >> >> On the 1810 census: >> HOLESOMBACK, Derrick, Jacob, John, John HOLSENBACK, Abraham >> >> Unfortunately, not until the 1850 census do we find out the country of > origin, but by then the old-time immigrants have passed away and the new > generation was born in the US. Hence the question about the 1763 and 1772 > documentation. >> >> I do question one thing, with the Carolina immigrants, led by Joshua > KOCHERTHAL, being very religious, would these settlers have engaged in > slavery? >> I say this because I noticed on the 1800 census that some of the > HOLSAMBACKs were slave holders. Perhaps you know more about that from your > research. >> >> Ursula >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________ >> There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tricia & Conrad" <triconholsomback@greenwood.net> >> To: Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:28:11 AM >> Subject: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. >> >> I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North > Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived > with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no > idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival > or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have > spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our > surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we > have not found where our family entered the country. >> Conrad Holsomback >> triconholsomback@greenwood.net >> >> >> For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >> http://www.germanyroots.com >> >> Please visit and participate in our new forum >> http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >> http://www.germanyroots.com >> >> Please visit and participate in our new forum >> http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message