I have a few questions on this subject myself. I am attempting to associate a couple that arrived at Castle Garden in 1867 as my ancestors. With the little info that I have, they do fit, but no defining link at this time.The names and the ages fit almost perfectly. If my ancestors would have left the eastern section of Bavaria, would they still have used ports of Belgium and France? And the list that is on castlegarden.org, would the information been collect upon departure or arrival? For my particular ancestors, the Stager's, I believe it is they who arrived in Nov 1867 aboard the Arago. It lists the port of departure as Falmouth & La Havre. I don't know if this is them, once again, but the names and their ages are correct, if this is info collected upon boarding. They were from Bavaria, possibly from the area of Passau. Not found them in Germany, yet. Thank you,Rick --- On Fri, 3/11/11, Ursula B Adamson <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ursula B Adamson <ubatrans@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 8:58 AM Hello Walter, There is no website per se but rather you need to subscribe to Ancestry.com. FYI the Hamburg Passenger Lists are DEPARTURE records - the same records, which are the ARRIVAL records of the same ships have been indexed at Ancestry. Therefore, if you haven't found your ancestor among the ARRIVALS in NY or Baltimore, chances are they departed from and arrived at a different port. Having said that, if you know the year in which your ancestors left Hamburg, then there are certain steps you must take to locate the passenger ship list. Before I waist time explaining how to get there, please tell me from what German state your ancestor came from.  Often family researchers don't realize that emigrants from the southern German states of Baden-Wuerttemberg and Bavaria or Switzerland seldom traveled to Hamburg to sail to America. For those, the French and Belgium ports were much closer. I found that emigrants from Brandenburg and Mecklenburg generally departed from Hamburg, while those from all the other northern states departed from Bremen. So, to speed things up, tell me the year of emigration and the home state of your ancestors and then we'll take it from there. Ursula -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Renze, Walter Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 12:47 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 Good Day John, Linda, Could you possibly direct me to a website where I can search through the Hamburg Passenger Lists? Regards, Walter RENZE -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 10 March 2011 06:13 To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 Today's Topics:    1. Re:  EXT :Re:  GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6,    Issue       28 (Galle, John L (AMSEC))    2. Re:  EXT :Re:  GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6,    Issue       28 (Ursula B Adamson)    3. Re:  Carl Bollmann from Pommerania (Ursula B Adamson)    4. Re:  EXT :Re:  BOLLMAN(N) Researcher (Galle, John L (AMSEC)) For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Rick, I have attached a link to a map of Europe. Click on it and compare the distance from Munich [Bavaria] to Paris and Belgium and the distance from Munich to Hamburg or Bremen and you will see that the closest route to the Atlantic is by traveling West to France rather than North to Hamburg. They did have an excellent railway system in Europe by 1867. Also, let me remind you that ships returning to the US after having delivered goods to England and/or Bremen or Hamburg, were required by law to make at least one stop in a European port before returning to the US. Thus, in your case - the ship Arago - which probably departed at Falmouth, England had one stop-over at the Belgium port of LeHavre where it picked up additional passengers, namely your John and Anna STEGER, who had traveled there from Eastern Bavaria. That's one scenario. Here is the other scenario. It could also have been that the ship Arago delivered goods to LeHavre or some other port along the coast of France taking on passengers in LeHavre and from there sailed to Falmouth, England to pick up more passengers before returning to the US. http://mapofeurope.com/europe/ I hope this now makes sense to you. When you say that your ancestors came from Eastern Bavaria I assume that you know the town/village from which they came, yes? It's actually quite easy to verify that you have the right couple by checking the 1870 census of the US state/county/town in which they settled. I assume that you used the Anglicized spelling of their surname rather than the German spelling of STEGER. Best wishes, Ursula -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rwe Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 2:35 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 I have a few questions on this subject myself. I am attempting to associate a couple that arrived at Castle Garden in 1867 as my ancestors. With the little info that I have, they do fit, but no defining link at this time.The names and the ages fit almost perfectly. If my ancestors would have left the eastern section of Bavaria, would they still have used ports of Belgium and France? And the list that is on castlegarden.org, would the information been collect upon departure or arrival? For my particular ancestors, the Stager's, I believe it is they who arrived in Nov 1867 aboard the Arago. It lists the port of departure as Falmouth & La Havre. I don't know if this is them, once again, but the names and their ages are correct, if this is info collected upon boarding. They were from Bavaria, possibly from the area of Passau. Not found them in Germany, yet. Thank you,Rick --- On Fri, 3/11/11, Ursula B Adamson <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ursula B Adamson <ubatrans@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 8:58 AM Hello Walter, There is no website per se but rather you need to subscribe to Ancestry.com. FYI the Hamburg Passenger Lists are DEPARTURE records - the same records, which are the ARRIVAL records of the same ships have been indexed at Ancestry. Therefore, if you haven't found your ancestor among the ARRIVALS in NY or Baltimore, chances are they departed from and arrived at a different port. Having said that, if you know the year in which your ancestors left Hamburg, then there are certain steps you must take to locate the passenger ship list.

Hello Ursula- I have attempted to locate them in the 1870 census. The earlies that I have been able to find them in the census is 1880. My great grandmother, Theresa, was born in LaSalle Co., IL in 1871. I suspect there was a child born before her that may not have survived. Her parents were married prior to leaving Germany in 1867.I found this couple who spelled it STEGER, but with the earliest record I have for my own family, being my great grandmothers baptismal record, it has always been spelled STAGER. I don't know how the German version is spelled due to having found so many variations. Steeger, Steiger, Stoeger, etc. I am not certain if this couple are my gr. great grandparents, but now this makes one more thing making them more suspect.Both of my gr great grandparents were born in June. He was born 6/4/1841, she was born 6/22/1843.The only thing that I have as for location is Bavaria. On the 1930 census, my great grandmother has what looks like "Posen" for her parents birthplace, but I am thinking it was meant as Passau. Posen is in old Poland, correct? There is no Posen in the Bavarian state. Thank you again,Rick --- On Sun, 3/13/11, Ursula B Adamson <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ursula B Adamson <ubatrans@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, March 13, 2011, 3:15 PM Hello Rick, I have attached a link to a map of Europe. Click on it and compare the distance from Munich [Bavaria] to Paris and Belgium and the distance from Munich to Hamburg or Bremen and you will see that the closest route to the Atlantic is by traveling West to France rather than North to Hamburg. They did have an excellent railway system in Europe by 1867. Also, let me remind you that ships returning to the US after having delivered goods to England and/or Bremen or Hamburg, were required by law to make at least one stop in a European port before returning to the US. Thus, in your case - the ship Arago - which probably departed at Falmouth, England had one stop-over at the Belgium port of LeHavre where it picked up additional passengers, namely your John and Anna STEGER, who had traveled there from Eastern Bavaria. That's one scenario. Here is the other scenario. It could also have been that the ship Arago delivered goods to LeHavre or some other port along the coast of France taking on passengers in LeHavre and from there sailed to Falmouth, England to pick up more passengers before returning to the US. http://mapofeurope.com/europe/ I hope this now makes sense to you. When you say that your ancestors came from Eastern Bavaria I assume that you know the town/village from which they came, yes? It's actually quite easy to verify that you have the right couple by checking the 1870 census of the US state/county/town in which they settled. I assume that you used the Anglicized spelling of their surname rather than the German spelling of STEGER. Best wishes, Ursula -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rwe Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 2:35 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 I have a few questions on this subject myself. I am attempting to associate a couple that arrived at Castle Garden in 1867 as my ancestors. With the little info that I have, they do fit, but no defining link at this time.The names and the ages fit almost perfectly. If my ancestors would have left the eastern section of Bavaria, would they still have used ports of Belgium and France? And the list that is on castlegarden.org, would the information been collect upon departure or arrival? For my particular ancestors, the Stager's, I believe it is they who arrived in Nov 1867 aboard the Arago. It lists the port of departure as Falmouth & La Havre. I don't know if this is them, once again, but the names and their ages are correct, if this is info collected upon boarding. They were from Bavaria, possibly from the area of Passau. Not found them in Germany, yet. Thank you,Rick

Hello Rick, Before someone calls me on my error. Correction: Le Havre of course is in France; I had Antwerp, Belgium on my mind. One more thing: when responding to a query from the GPL DIGEST, please delete all the previous messages that are automatically attached. This eliminates a lot paper waste when printing a particular message. Thank you. Ursula. -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rwe Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 2:35 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 I have a few questions on this subject myself. I am attempting to associate a couple that arrived at Castle Garden in 1867 as my ancestors. With the little info that I have, they do fit, but no defining link at this time.The names and the ages fit almost perfectly. If my ancestors would have left the eastern section of Bavaria, would they still have used ports of Belgium and France? And the list that is on castlegarden.org, would the information been collect upon departure or arrival? For my particular ancestors, the Stager's, I believe it is they who arrived in Nov 1867 aboard the Arago. It lists the port of departure as Falmouth & La Havre. I don't know if this is them, once again, but the names and their ages are correct, if this is info collected upon boarding. They were from Bavaria, possibly from the area of Passau. Not found them in Germany, yet. Thank you,Rick