I'm a newbie at finding the subtleties in the passengers lists. Would a man still be listed (with a notation) if he had died and been buried at sea? Are lists available anywhere for boarding manifests, as well as arrival manifests? Perhaps in England? Were most of the ships on the German-North American route in the mid-1700s English-flagged? In the available transcriptions, is there any consistency as to when a boy is listed? Would some Masters list all children and others list only those above 16? I note that, in some transcriptions, an asterisk accompanies some names, but not others. I find that the introductions are confusing and I didn't learn what the asterisks mean. I'm grateful for any help. We're happy to share family information. Researching Braun, Trobaugh, Lingenfelter, Hohl/Hull. Jim Patrick Tampa Florida

Hi Jim, I was waiting to see if anyone else would answer you. To the best of my knowledge: All passengers that are leaving are added to the manifest. If someone does not make it to the destination a notation should have been made. I know in Germany there were lists of people who emigrated. Hamburg's still exist. They date from 1850. Bremen's were destroyed at regular intervals to ensure that they had enough "room" for all their records. They were only kept for three years. Later on they got smart and kept them. There is a transcription available online for the records still in existence. They can be found at "Die Maus." For England, who knows? Unsure as to how the ships were flagged. All passengers are listed. Many times a relationship is not shown, but ages are. When there are asterisk there usually is a desciption as to what it means. You may have to look at the end of the manifest to find it. If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 January, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Died en route > I'm a newbie at finding the subtleties in the passengers lists. > Would a man still be listed (with a notation) if he had died and been > buried at sea? > Are lists available anywhere for boarding manifests, as well as arrival > manifests? Perhaps in England? > Were most of the ships on the German-North American route in the mid-1700s > English-flagged? > In the available transcriptions, is there any consistency as to when a boy > is listed? > Would some Masters list all children and others list only those above 16? > I note that, in some transcriptions, an asterisk accompanies some names, > but not others. > I find that the introductions are confusing and I didn't learn what the > asterisks mean. > > I'm grateful for any help. > We're happy to share family information. > > Researching Braun, Trobaugh, Lingenfelter, Hohl/Hull. > > Jim Patrick > Tampa Florida

I cannot add much to this, but I had one person in my database who died enroute to the USA. On the ship manifest, in a general information column, was the single word "Died". Nothing further was given. I have surmised that, being an infrequent event, the ship's captain, or whoever kept a log, added information according to the thought of the moment. To my knowledge, there was no special way of recording this information, and no particular record place where it was kept. If anyone has ever found a repository where "died enroute" information is stored, it would be of great interest to the members of any list. Eugene M. Wiese 838 Linlawn Drive Wabash, IN 46992-3903 emwiese1@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" <bobbidoll@optonline.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: 30 January, 2011 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Died en route > Hi Jim, > > I was waiting to see if anyone else would answer you. > > To the best of my knowledge: > > All passengers that are leaving are added to the manifest. If someone > does > not make it to the destination a notation should have been made. > > I know in Germany there were lists of people who emigrated. Hamburg's > still > exist. They date from 1850. Bremen's were destroyed at regular intervals > to ensure that they had enough "room" for all their records. They were > only > kept for three years. Later on they got smart and kept them. There is a > transcription available online for the records still in existence. They > can > be found at "Die Maus." For England, who knows? > > Unsure as to how the ships were flagged. > > All passengers are listed. Many times a relationship is not shown, but > ages > are. > > When there are asterisk there usually is a desciption as to what it means. > You may have to look at the end of the manifest to find it. > > If I am wrong I am sure someone will correct me. > > Bobbi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 29 January, 2011 10:09 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Died en route > > >> I'm a newbie at finding the subtleties in the passengers lists. >> Would a man still be listed (with a notation) if he had died and been >> buried at sea? >> Are lists available anywhere for boarding manifests, as well as arrival >> manifests? Perhaps in England? >> Were most of the ships on the German-North American route in the >> mid-1700s >> English-flagged? >> In the available transcriptions, is there any consistency as to when a >> boy >> is listed? >> Would some Masters list all children and others list only those above >> 16? >> I note that, in some transcriptions, an asterisk accompanies some names, >> but not others. >> I find that the introductions are confusing and I didn't learn what the >> asterisks mean. >> >> I'm grateful for any help. >> We're happy to share family information. >> >> Researching Braun, Trobaugh, Lingenfelter, Hohl/Hull. >> >> Jim Patrick >> Tampa Florida > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The passenger manifests for the time period you are interested in, IF they still exist, can run the gamut from listing only male heads of family to listing all passengers. There was absolutely no standard set for manifests until well into the next century. I haven't looked at them except out of curiosity, so I hadn't thought about deaths in transit or recall if they were noted.   The re-constructed Palatine manifests were made of info from many sources: http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/ I'm not sure that you can call these voyages "a route" in the regularly scheduled, timetable sense. But captains probably came by known pathways in the sea when they could. When you say "asteriks", do you mean in transcriptions? Where did your ancestors sail to? --- On Sat, 1/29/11, Tambaymar@aol.com <Tambaymar@aol.com> wrote: [lots of questions]