Why don't you send an e-mail to them to ask what you have to do to get information? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Schwark" To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 March, 2011 1:39 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Information from Germany by email? > > I am wondering if it is possible to get information from German churches > by email. In 1999 I sent a letter by snail mail and receieved some > valuable information. When I go to the site now I just see fax and phone > numbers. Both would be to expensive. I have found another family in > Minnesota that has the same last name, but we have traced as far back as > we can in the US. We know we are cousins but think the link must be back > in Germany. Any help would be appreciated. Marlene in Minnesota

I am wondering if it is possible to get information from German churches by email. In 1999 I sent a letter by snail mail and receieved some valuable information. When I go to the site now I just see fax and phone numbers. Both would be to expensive. I have found another family in Minnesota that has the same last name, but we have traced as far back as we can in the US. We know we are cousins but think the link must be back in Germany. Any help would be appreciated. Marlene in Minnesota www.thehungersite.com http://www.codeamber.org > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:49:04 +0000 > From: ubatrans@comcast.net > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. > > Hello Conrad, > Welcome to the GPL! > > You wrote that you have traced your ancestors to 1763 and 1772 in the Carolinas. What kind of records did you find that would indicate that they came from Germany? > As you know already, the name has undergone so many changes that it is difficult to say, 200+ years later, how it was spelled originally. > I found John HOLSONBACK on the 1790 census; > I found him being married under the same name to an English woman in 1798. > > On the 1800 census we have what appears to be several related persons residing in Edgefield, S.C. but with different spelling of the surname: > HOLSAMBECK, Abraham > HOLSAMBECK, Daniel > HOLSENBACK, Derrick > HOLSOMBACK, Matthew > > On the 1810 census: > HOLESOMBACK, Derrick, Jacob, John, John > HOLSENBACK, Abraham > > Unfortunately, not until the 1850 census do we find out the country of origin, but by then the old-time immigrants have passed away and the new generation was born in the US. Hence the question about the 1763 and 1772 documentation. > > I do question one thing, with the Carolina immigrants, led by Joshua KOCHERTHAL, being very religious, would these settlers have engaged in slavery? > I say this because I noticed on the 1800 census that some of the HOLSAMBACKs were slave holders. Perhaps you know more about that from your research. > > Ursula > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tricia & Conrad" <triconholsomback@greenwood.net> > To: Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:28:11 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. > > I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we have not found where our family entered the country. > Conrad Holsomback > triconholsomback@greenwood.net > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My one contact with Germany turned out very successful, but that was in the state of Thuringia. However, so far I only get quotes on doing the research in Bavaria. Now, I really think it depends on the actual area that you are researching. They all have different processes and procedures, from what I am gathering.If you want my contact from Eisenach, Thuringia Germany, let me know. He is very knowledgeable. Rick --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Marlene Schwark <klutzie56@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Marlene Schwark <klutzie56@hotmail.com> Subject: [G-P-L] Information from Germany by email? To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:39 PM I am wondering if it is possible to get information from German churches by email. In 1999 I sent a letter by snail mail and receieved some valuable information. When I go to the site now I just see fax and phone numbers. Both would be to expensive. I have found another family in Minnesota that has the same last name, but we have traced as far back as we can in the US. We know we are cousins but think the link must be back in Germany. Any help would be appreciated. Marlene in Minnesota www.thehungersite.com http://www.codeamber.org > Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:49:04 +0000 > From: ubatrans@comcast.net > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. > > Hello Conrad, > Welcome to the GPL! > > You wrote that you have traced your ancestors to 1763 and 1772 in the Carolinas. What kind of records did you find that would indicate that they came from Germany? > As you know already, the name has undergone so many changes that it is difficult to say, 200+ years later, how it was spelled originally. > I found John HOLSONBACK on the 1790 census; > I found him being married under the same name to an English woman in 1798. > > On the 1800 census we have what appears to be several related persons residing in Edgefield, S.C. but with different spelling of the surname: > HOLSAMBECK, Abraham > HOLSAMBECK, Daniel > HOLSENBACK, Derrick > HOLSOMBACK, Matthew > > On the 1810 census: > HOLESOMBACK, Derrick, Jacob, John, John > HOLSENBACK, Abraham > > Unfortunately, not until the 1850 census do we find out the country of origin, but by then the old-time immigrants have passed away and the new generation was born in the US. Hence the question about the 1763 and 1772 documentation. > > I do question one thing, with the Carolina immigrants, led by Joshua KOCHERTHAL, being very religious, would these settlers have engaged in slavery? > I say this because I noticed on the 1800 census that some of the HOLSAMBACKs were slave holders. Perhaps you know more about that from your research. > > Ursula > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tricia & Conrad" <triconholsomback@greenwood.net> > To: Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:28:11 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. > > I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we have not found where our family entered the country. > Conrad Holsomback > triconholsomback@greenwood.net > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message                           For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marlena Schwark Have you tried www.online.ofb.de. This site have a lot of records of area records in some German towns. You will need to know the town, or you can scan all the towns for your name. Also have you tried familysearch.com. Go to the record search pilot. This might help you locate the area which your family is in. Was you name ever spelled Schwenk? My name (Swank) was started out as Schwenk in Germany. Richard Swank in So., California

Hello Conrad, yes, I have the book you have shown the link to and I have read it cover to cover in the hope of finding any reference to a ship or passenger names but to no avail. Of course there is such a wide range of immigration years from 1702 to 1776 and beyound, then the years of the immigrants having spent in England and Ireland. Even if you knew the exact year of immigration, there are no ship records of those who immigrated to the Carolinas. I remember seeing ship names and passenger names in the records kept by Strassburger on immigrants to Pennsylvania, however, without any ages given in these early lists, it's difficult to prove any relationship to later generations. Even if you knew how, when and from where your ancestors began their voyage, you would still need to know the exact name of the town from which they came in Germany or Switzerland as church records are kept at the local level. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tricia & Conrad" <triconholsomback@greenwood.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 7:49:28 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. Thank you Ursula for your response. I have personal knowledge that my Holson(m)back family is German. I have all of the available information on our family here in America, well almost all. I have the benefit of having more than 200 researchers of our surname over the last 11 years. We do have a research site at MyFamily.com. We have many documents that tell us that our family has been in America since 1763 in NC along with many other documents of our families service to the United States before and after the American Revolution. Our Holsombacks, at last count 90 variations of the spelling of the surname, have fought in every war our country has ever had, as well as service to King Charles of England in the Indian wars. Yes our family did, sadly, have slaves and had large holdings of land in NC and SC, many acres given to them by the royalty owners of land in the Carolina Colony (later divided into NC and SC). Our family ancestors were given land by the King of England and by the governors of NC and SC. So now to our problem, we are almost 99 percent sure that our Holsomback's were German Palatines, see here: http://books.google.com/books?id=onU4AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA58&lpg=PA59&ots=nQ96WFnzBp&dq=palatines+to+carolina+colony&output=text but we have not been able to find which ship they came in on or if they left from London of other ports of embarkation. Then we can find out where they came from in Europe. They may have been Swiss Germans but almost surely Germans. Thanks for your help. Conrad Holsomback triconholsomback@greenwood.net Normal 0

Interesting info about SC Palatines is that after the info below our ancestors got land in NC in 1762 and 1763 and later in sC in 1772 and 1774. See here, from the same book; Normal 0 MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 st1\:*{behavior:url(#ieooui) } /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} It is not known when the Germans first came to South Carolina, but it is known that in 1734 a number of emigrants from Salzburg arrived at Charleston and settled in the province, and about the same time 170 Swiss emigrants also arrived at Charleston under the lead of Johann Peter Purry, and founded Purrysburg on the Savannah river; the following year 200 additional Swiss arrived, and later a colony of Swiss and Palatines made settlement in the neighborhood of Orangeburg, which was founded about the same time. Their settlement was on the Edisto river, and the whole region on both sides of the stream in that neighborhood was originally settled by Germans, chiefly from the Palatinate, and Switzerland. Other Germans from parts in Germany further north settled in South Carolina. They founded a colony further inland from Orangeburg, and called it Saxe-Gotha. This became an important central point, from which the German settlement spread, which continued to gain large accessions until the Revolution. In 1763 there came two ship loads of German emigrants from London to Charleston. They were poor, and the Colonial Legislature voted them 500 pounds, 200 muskets and ammunition, and settled them in the Saxe-Gotha district. The Germans monopolized this district, and continued to speak the German language long after it had ceased to be spoken elsewhere in South Carolina. A traveller who visited this district as late as 1850 wrote, that German was no longer spoken by the descendants of the early German settlers, but that the people retained their German Bibles, hymn-books, and observed many of the customs, festivals and holidays of their German ancestors. ------- Original Message ------- >From : Ursula[mailto:ubatrans@comcast.net] Sent : 3/28/2011 6:18:32 PM To : germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. Hello Conrad, yes, I have the book you have shown the link to and I have read it cover to cover in the hope of finding any reference to a ship or passenger names but to no avail. Of course there is such a wide range of immigration years from 1702 to 1776 and beyound, then the years of the immigrants having spent in England and Ireland. Even if you knew the exact year of immigration, there are no ship records of those who immigrated to the Carolinas. I remember seeing ship names and passenger names in the records kept by Strassburger on immigrants to Pennsylvania, however, without any ages given in these early lists, it's difficult to prove any relationship to later generations. Even if you knew how, when and from where your ancestors began their voyage, you would still need to know the exact name of the town from which they came in Germany or Switzerland as church records are kept at the local level. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- Thank you Ursula for your response. I have personal knowledge that my Holson(m)back family is German. I have all of the available information on our family here in America, well almost all. I have the benefit of having more than 200 researchers of our surname over the last 11 years. We do have a research site at MyFamily.com. We have many documents that tell us that our family has been in America since 1763 in NC along with many other documents of our families service to the United States before and after the American Revolution. Our Holsombacks, at last count 90 variations of the spelling of the surname, have fought in every war our country has ever had, as well as service to King Charles of England in the Indian wars. Yes our family did, sadly, have slaves and had large holdings of land in NC and SC, many acres given to them by the royalty owners of land in the Carolina Colony (later divided into NC and SC). Our family ancestors were given land by the King of England and by the governors of NC and SC. So now to our problem, we are almost 99 percent sure that our Holsomback's were German Palatines, see here: http://books.google.com/books?id=onU4AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA58&lpg=PA59&ots=nQ96WFnzBp&dq=palatines+to+carolina+colony&output=text but we have not been able to find which ship they came in on or if they left from London of other ports of embarkation. Then we can find out where they came from in Europe. They may have been Swiss Germans but almost surely Germans. Thanks for your help. Conrad Holsomback triconholsomback@greenwood.net Normal 0 For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Looking for Hans Ulrich Swingle/zwengli, or possibly Ulrich HAns Swingle. Believed to arrive in America from Germany around 1751. Located in Orange County, NY

Susan, I strongly disagree, considering that the German immigrants - irrespective of the time that they arrived in the 18th, 19th or 20th century - had been vassals [say slaves] all their lives and that having been one if not the main reason for their immigration. While it is true that the Americans living at that time thought it was their God given right to hold slaves, I cannot imagine that German immigrants held similar views. Ursula -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Curelopp Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:42 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. Generally speaking, being religious at that time period had nothing to do with owning slaves - they saw nothing wrong with it. And I'd say most were quite "religious," attending and contributing to their churches. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello Conrad, > Welcome to the GPL! > > You wrote that you have traced your ancestors to 1763 and 1772 in the Carolinas. What kind of records did you find that would indicate that they came from Germany? > As you know already, the name has undergone so many changes that it is difficult to say, 200+ years later, how it was spelled originally. > I found John HOLSONBACK on the 1790 census; I found him being married > under the same name to an English woman in 1798. > > On the 1800 census we have what appears to be several related persons residing in Edgefield, S.C. but with different spelling of the surname: > HOLSAMBECK, Abraham > HOLSAMBECK, Daniel > HOLSENBACK, Derrick > HOLSOMBACK, Matthew > > On the 1810 census: > HOLESOMBACK, Derrick, Jacob, John, John HOLSENBACK, Abraham > > Unfortunately, not until the 1850 census do we find out the country of origin, but by then the old-time immigrants have passed away and the new generation was born in the US. Hence the question about the 1763 and 1772 documentation. > > I do question one thing, with the Carolina immigrants, led by Joshua KOCHERTHAL, being very religious, would these settlers have engaged in slavery? > I say this because I noticed on the 1800 census that some of the HOLSAMBACKs were slave holders. Perhaps you know more about that from your research. > > Ursula > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tricia & Conrad" <triconholsomback@greenwood.net> > To: Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:28:11 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. > > I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we have not found where our family entered the country. > Conrad Holsomback > triconholsomback@greenwood.net > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Ursula for your response. I have personal knowledge that my Holson(m)back family is German. I have all of the available information on our family here in America, well almost all. I have the benefit of having more than 200 researchers of our surname over the last 11 years. We do have a research site at MyFamily.com. We have many documents that tell us that our family has been in America since 1763 in NC along with many other documents of our families service to the United States before and after the American Revolution. Our Holsombacks, at last count 90 variations of the spelling of the surname, have fought in every war our country has ever had, as well as service to King Charles of England in the Indian wars. Yes our family did, sadly, have slaves and had large holdings of land in NC and SC, many acres given to them by the royalty owners of land in the Carolina Colony (later divided into NC and SC). Our family ancestors were given land by the King of England and by the governors of NC and SC. So now to our problem, we are almost 99 percent sure that our Holsomback's were German Palatines, see here: http://books.google.com/books?id=onU4AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA58&lpg=PA59&ots=nQ96WFnzBp&dq=palatines+to+carolina+colony&output=text but we have not been able to find which ship they came in on or if they left from London of other ports of embarkation. Then we can find out where they came from in Europe. They may have been Swiss Germans but almost surely Germans. Thanks for your help. Conrad Holsomback triconholsomback@greenwood.net Normal 0 MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} ------- Original Message ------- >From : Ursula[mailto:ubatrans@comcast.net] Sent : 3/28/2011 8:49:04 AM To : germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. Hello Conrad, Welcome to the GPL! You wrote that you have traced your ancestors to 1763 and 1772 in the Carolinas. What kind of records did you find that would indicate that they came from Germany? As you know already, the name has undergone so many changes that it is difficult to say, 200+ years later, how it was spelled originally. I found John HOLSONBACK on the 1790 census; I found him being married under the same name to an English woman in 1798. On the 1800 census we have what appears to be several related persons residing in Edgefield, S.C. but with different spelling of the surname: HOLSAMBECK, Abraham HOLSAMBECK, Daniel HOLSENBACK, Derrick HOLSOMBACK, Matthew On the 1810 census: HOLESOMBACK, Derrick, Jacob, John, John HOLSENBACK, Abraham Unfortunately, not until the 1850 census do we find out the country of origin, but by then the old-time immigrants have passed away and the new generation was born in the US. Hence the question about the 1763 and 1772 documentation. I do question one thing, with the Carolina immigrants, led by Joshua KOCHERTHAL, being very religious, would these settlers have engaged in slavery? I say this because I noticed on the 1800 census that some of the HOLSAMBACKs were slave holders. Perhaps you know more about that from your research. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we have not found where our family entered the country. Conrad Holsomback triconholsomback@greenwood.net For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm saying, whether a German immigrant or not, owning a slave had nothing to do with being religious. My direct line had no slaves, but their siblings did, and both were quite devout. You would think being a "slave" would altar your thinking. But in a new land, in an area where slavery was prominent, maybe not. What was the thinking by German immigrants at that time about people of a different color? Susan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2011, at 4:29 PM, "Ursula B Adamson" <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: > Susan, > > I strongly disagree, considering that the German immigrants - irrespective > of the time that they arrived in the 18th, 19th or 20th century - had been > vassals [say slaves] all their lives and that having been one if not the > main reason for their immigration. > > While it is true that the Americans living at that time thought it was their > God given right to hold slaves, I cannot imagine that German immigrants held > similar views. > > Ursula > > > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Curelopp > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:42 PM > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. > > Generally speaking, being religious at that time period had nothing to do > with owning slaves - they saw nothing wrong with it. And I'd say most were > quite "religious," attending and contributing to their churches. > > Susan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Hello Conrad, >> Welcome to the GPL! >> >> You wrote that you have traced your ancestors to 1763 and 1772 in the > Carolinas. What kind of records did you find that would indicate that they > came from Germany? >> As you know already, the name has undergone so many changes that it is > difficult to say, 200+ years later, how it was spelled originally. >> I found John HOLSONBACK on the 1790 census; I found him being married >> under the same name to an English woman in 1798. >> >> On the 1800 census we have what appears to be several related persons > residing in Edgefield, S.C. but with different spelling of the surname: >> HOLSAMBECK, Abraham >> HOLSAMBECK, Daniel >> HOLSENBACK, Derrick >> HOLSOMBACK, Matthew >> >> On the 1810 census: >> HOLESOMBACK, Derrick, Jacob, John, John HOLSENBACK, Abraham >> >> Unfortunately, not until the 1850 census do we find out the country of > origin, but by then the old-time immigrants have passed away and the new > generation was born in the US. Hence the question about the 1763 and 1772 > documentation. >> >> I do question one thing, with the Carolina immigrants, led by Joshua > KOCHERTHAL, being very religious, would these settlers have engaged in > slavery? >> I say this because I noticed on the 1800 census that some of the > HOLSAMBACKs were slave holders. Perhaps you know more about that from your > research. >> >> Ursula >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________ >> There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tricia & Conrad" <triconholsomback@greenwood.net> >> To: Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:28:11 AM >> Subject: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. >> >> I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North > Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived > with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no > idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival > or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have > spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our > surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we > have not found where our family entered the country. >> Conrad Holsomback >> triconholsomback@greenwood.net >> >> >> For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >> http://www.germanyroots.com >> >> Please visit and participate in our new forum >> http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >> http://www.germanyroots.com >> >> Please visit and participate in our new forum >> http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Conrad, Welcome to the GPL! You wrote that you have traced your ancestors to 1763 and 1772 in the Carolinas. What kind of records did you find that would indicate that they came from Germany? As you know already, the name has undergone so many changes that it is difficult to say, 200+ years later, how it was spelled originally. I found John HOLSONBACK on the 1790 census; I found him being married under the same name to an English woman in 1798. On the 1800 census we have what appears to be several related persons residing in Edgefield, S.C. but with different spelling of the surname: HOLSAMBECK, Abraham HOLSAMBECK, Daniel HOLSENBACK, Derrick HOLSOMBACK, Matthew On the 1810 census: HOLESOMBACK, Derrick, Jacob, John, John HOLSENBACK, Abraham Unfortunately, not until the 1850 census do we find out the country of origin, but by then the old-time immigrants have passed away and the new generation was born in the US. Hence the question about the 1763 and 1772 documentation. I do question one thing, with the Carolina immigrants, led by Joshua KOCHERTHAL, being very religious, would these settlers have engaged in slavery? I say this because I noticed on the 1800 census that some of the HOLSAMBACKs were slave holders. Perhaps you know more about that from your research. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tricia & Conrad" <triconholsomback@greenwood.net> To: Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:28:11 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we have not found where our family entered the country. Conrad Holsomback triconholsomback@greenwood.net For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Generally speaking, being religious at that time period had nothing to do with owning slaves - they saw nothing wrong with it. And I'd say most were quite "religious," attending and contributing to their churches. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Mar 28, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello Conrad, > Welcome to the GPL! > > You wrote that you have traced your ancestors to 1763 and 1772 in the Carolinas. What kind of records did you find that would indicate that they came from Germany? > As you know already, the name has undergone so many changes that it is difficult to say, 200+ years later, how it was spelled originally. > I found John HOLSONBACK on the 1790 census; > I found him being married under the same name to an English woman in 1798. > > On the 1800 census we have what appears to be several related persons residing in Edgefield, S.C. but with different spelling of the surname: > HOLSAMBECK, Abraham > HOLSAMBECK, Daniel > HOLSENBACK, Derrick > HOLSOMBACK, Matthew > > On the 1810 census: > HOLESOMBACK, Derrick, Jacob, John, John > HOLSENBACK, Abraham > > Unfortunately, not until the 1850 census do we find out the country of origin, but by then the old-time immigrants have passed away and the new generation was born in the US. Hence the question about the 1763 and 1772 documentation. > > I do question one thing, with the Carolina immigrants, led by Joshua KOCHERTHAL, being very religious, would these settlers have engaged in slavery? > I say this because I noticed on the 1800 census that some of the HOLSAMBACKs were slave holders. Perhaps you know more about that from your research. > > Ursula > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tricia & Conrad" <triconholsomback@greenwood.net> > To: Germany-Passenger-Lists-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 12:28:11 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] Surname's Holsomback, Holsonback, Holsonbake. > > I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we have not found where our family entered the country. > Conrad Holsomback > triconholsomback@greenwood.net > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am new to the list and I have traced my Holsomback ancestors to North Carolina in 1763 an in South Carolina in 1772. Actually I think they arrived with the Palatine Germans in Carolina Colony in the about 1760 but I have no idea where in Germany they came from or what ships their ports of arrival or the ships they arrived in. Any and all help would be fantastic. I have spent 10 years researching my family along with over 200 researchers of our surname, we have a site on MyFamily where we share information, but alas we have not found where our family entered the country. Conrad Holsomback triconholsomback@greenwood.net

Don't mean to get your hopes up, but I will keep your email on file because I have the same Oehler name in my history. This may be a common name but I am not aware that it is. Please tell me the part of the country your family comes from--do you know the region, town, of Germany? Thanks, Joanne @ Langsonly@msn.com > From: germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 53 > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:00:46 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: schmidt / Oehler family bible info (nancy sanders) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:43:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: nancy sanders <nancy_ellen56@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <240366.19966.qm@web112005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Yes, I know, the Schmidt and Smith Names are pretty hard to track. My maiden > name seems to have just materialized around 1725 in france and then quickly > disappeared. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Phil Kuehn <pkuehn38@comcast.net> > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 8:36:27 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info > > > > I research for origin & family of grgrgrandmother,Louise C. Schmidt, > b.1831,from Hannover,emmiigranted at age 14 ,assume w// family, thru New Orleans > about 1845.1849 she wed Johann Heinrich Roell from Westfalia.She moved to > Binghamton NY ,then she & spouse & daughter Charlotte R oell > > > moved to West bend ,Milwaukee County, WI.Later ,the family moved to New Athens > ,St.Clair County ,IL where she died & is buried in Belleville ,St. Clair County > ,IL. ALong w/ most of her immediate decendants. > > > I have found Schmidt surname everywhere they lived.Being its one of the most > common surnames makes it tougher tto nail down. > > > No other clues have been found to date. > > Thats why I follow up on most Schmidt surnames. > > Thankyou, > > Phil Kuehn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Kokrda" <kokrdaj@cox.net> > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:50:18 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info > > I looked on the internet at whitepages.com and many with the Oehler name > live in Iowa and Minnesota and lists their ages. > If you could get on a website for Iowa or Minnesota I am sure someone would > know them and contact someone that is > interested in genealogy of the family. That information is too precious to > dispose of and if it were my family would pay for > any price that you would have to give to find someone. > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nancy sanders" <nancy_ellen56@yahoo.com> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:41 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info > > > >I sold my shop and in sorting through things, I found a bible possibly > >belonging > > to Ruth Oehler. > > > > On the inside cover are three german poems?, taped to the cover, the next > > page > > is a glued page that says " A cousin of mine on the Schmidt side: > > Lina Mack, Untersdheffach, Kries Sahivabish Hall, Wurttenberg-Germany, > > another name on same page is: Mrs. William (marie) Hausler, Karlsrue, > > klauprecht > > Street 47, Germany. There is an arrow pointing to this name and a > > statement: Her > > mother a Kern born Schmidt, a cousin, address Fritz Kern, Unterashpach, > > Kreis > > Hall, Wurttenberg Germany. > > > > Elise Kech Lausheim, Post- Grmmerlshofen, Baden Germnay > > Esther it Karl Stier krs Hall, Ester is a daughter of Mrs. Anna Heninger, > > Untershpach, Hall, Wurttenberg > > > > on the next page is a paper taped and Says Old German Prayers taught us, > > by our > > mother and which she used on her death bed, Paulina Schmidt, Ruth Oehler > > > > Ruth Catherina Schmidt was born in Mason City Iowa,june 4 1895, she > > married > > Arthur August Herman Oehler Sept 16 1914, he was born in Yellow Back, he > > was > > born may 7 1890. > > > > His parents are Tobia Oehler and Albertina Ninneman, her parents are John > > Schmidt and Paulina Vogelbacker. > > > > Children of Ruth and Arthur are Donald, Muriel whom married a > > Bunting,Raymond, > > Gerald, and Jeannette whom married a Ceser. > > > > Johan Schmidt was born april 10, 1863 in Wurttenberg, and died may 11 > > 1928. His > > wife Paulina Volgelbacker born Baden Germany June 8 1888, and died Nov 9 > > 1955 in > > Ortonville Minn. > > > > It also mentions Frederic G. Schmidt and says Helens death Aug 29, 1959. > > It also states that john Schmidt is the son of Simeon and Katherina > > Phillips. > > > > Another passage has the information: Uncle Gus born Baden Germany dec 26 > > 1867, > > Parents John and Notburger Hettig Vogelbacker, Gus 5th of 6 children, He > > was 1st > > one to come to America, Their mother killed by lightening, he was 9 yrs, > > 17 yrs > > old when he came over 1884 with Cousin Anthony Boma. > > Ursala Hedich mother of Notburga Hedich Vogelbacher Mother of Paulina > > Vogelbacher Schmidt mother of Ruth Schmidt Oehler mother of muriel Oehler > > Bunting, Jeanette Oehler Ceser and 3 sons. > > > > The Oeler grandchildren are listed and so are the parents of > > Auther Oeler. > > > > If there is an interest or connection to this family, you may email me for > > further info. > > > > > > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > > http://www.germanyroots.com > > > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > > signature database 5976 (20110322) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 6237 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS list administrator, send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS mailing list, send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 53 > ******************************************************

Yes, I know, the Schmidt and Smith Names are pretty hard to track. My maiden name seems to have just materialized around 1725 in france and then quickly disappeared. ----- Original Message ---- From: Phil Kuehn <pkuehn38@comcast.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, March 23, 2011 8:36:27 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info I research for origin & family of grgrgrandmother,Louise C. Schmidt, b.1831,from Hannover,emmiigranted at age 14 ,assume w// family, thru New Orleans about 1845.1849 she wed Johann Heinrich Roell from Westfalia.She moved to Binghamton NY ,then she & spouse & daughter Charlotte R oell moved to West bend ,Milwaukee County, WI.Later ,the family moved to New Athens ,St.Clair County ,IL where she died & is buried in Belleville ,St. Clair County ,IL. ALong w/ most of her immediate decendants. I have found Schmidt surname everywhere they lived.Being its one of the most common surnames makes it tougher tto nail down. No other clues have been found to date. Thats why I follow up on most Schmidt surnames. Thankyou, Phil Kuehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kokrda" <kokrdaj@cox.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:50:18 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info I looked on the internet at whitepages.com and many with the Oehler name live in Iowa and Minnesota and lists their ages. If you could get on a website for Iowa or Minnesota I am sure someone would know them and contact someone that is interested in genealogy of the family. That information is too precious to dispose of and if it were my family would pay for any price that you would have to give to find someone. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "nancy sanders" <nancy_ellen56@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info >I sold my shop and in sorting through things, I found a bible possibly >belonging > to Ruth Oehler. > > On the inside cover are three german poems?, taped to the cover, the next > page > is a glued page that says " A cousin of mine on the Schmidt side: > Lina Mack, Untersdheffach, Kries Sahivabish Hall, Wurttenberg-Germany, > another name on same page is: Mrs. William (marie) Hausler, Karlsrue, > klauprecht > Street 47, Germany. There is an arrow pointing to this name and a > statement: Her > mother a Kern born Schmidt, a cousin, address Fritz Kern, Unterashpach, > Kreis > Hall, Wurttenberg Germany. > > Elise Kech Lausheim, Post- Grmmerlshofen, Baden Germnay > Esther it Karl Stier krs Hall, Ester is a daughter of Mrs. Anna Heninger, > Untershpach, Hall, Wurttenberg > > on the next page is a paper taped and Says Old German Prayers taught us, > by our > mother and which she used on her death bed, Paulina Schmidt, Ruth Oehler > > Ruth Catherina Schmidt was born in Mason City Iowa,june 4 1895, she > married > Arthur August Herman Oehler Sept 16 1914, he was born in Yellow Back, he > was > born may 7 1890. > > His parents are Tobia Oehler and Albertina Ninneman, her parents are John > Schmidt and Paulina Vogelbacker. > > Children of Ruth and Arthur are Donald, Muriel whom married a > Bunting,Raymond, > Gerald, and Jeannette whom married a Ceser. > > Johan Schmidt was born april 10, 1863 in Wurttenberg, and died may 11 > 1928. His > wife Paulina Volgelbacker born Baden Germany June 8 1888, and died Nov 9 > 1955 in > Ortonville Minn. > > It also mentions Frederic G. Schmidt and says Helens death Aug 29, 1959. > It also states that john Schmidt is the son of Simeon and Katherina > Phillips. > > Another passage has the information: Uncle Gus born Baden Germany dec 26 > 1867, > Parents John and Notburger Hettig Vogelbacker, Gus 5th of 6 children, He > was 1st > one to come to America, Their mother killed by lightening, he was 9 yrs, > 17 yrs > old when he came over 1884 with Cousin Anthony Boma. > Ursala Hedich mother of Notburga Hedich Vogelbacher Mother of Paulina > Vogelbacher Schmidt mother of Ruth Schmidt Oehler mother of muriel Oehler > Bunting, Jeanette Oehler Ceser and 3 sons. > > The Oeler grandchildren are listed and so are the parents of > Auther Oeler. > > If there is an interest or connection to this family, you may email me for > further info. > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5976 (20110322) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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12" new snow last night?I can imagine the wwindow sills will get a good white washing from the Robins. Wow. Glad we are in FL this winter.No shoveling here. Thankyou for the hints. I will follow up. I was in Belleville IL & visited the local Lib ,cemetery,(got pix),then to New Athens cemetery.I goofed on that.Roells lived in Floraville, across the RR Tracks from New Athens where the naughty ex grandson-inlaw lived w/ his new wife=#2.& is buried in New Athens Cem. Johann Roell was a Protestant Minister,.NY to WI where they caught up w/ him from Hausberge,Germany.  He was married in Ha usberge Westfalia & the wife he left in Germany sent a letter to his church in WI .At an inquiry where he admitted it,he was "Deposed" & he moved on to IL. When I dug up all this data I apparently opened a can of worms.Theres more interesting stuff. Its been fun. Roell was a minister in the NY Synod??Then WI Synod,I assume the Lutheran Church. In ILL he was in the S. IL Synod,which, that church is UCC now,but, NO help from that Minister at all. Not getting anywhere w/ UCC records. The grandaughter of Roell,=Amy  Roell-McCluskey ,born in Belleville IL was hard to track but,I found her  moved to PA then Houston TX.She was married late in life w/ no decendants .But where? Died in TX & moved her to be buried in IL w// her family.No leads on her spouse. Amy was my grandmas only sister.2 brothers,Waldemar & Carl. Thats as far as I got so far. Thankyou again for the hints. Best wishes,  Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula" <ubatrans@comcast.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:46:56 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info Hi Phil, To what do you attribute the family's many moves around the country before settling in St Clair Co. IL? I remember corresponding with a German man on the now defunct "Hessenland" forum who had done extensive research in St Clair County, IL and who subsequently published a book about the German settlers in that county. If you have the time and patience, you may want to read some of the archived posts on the Hessenland forum. You find it on the rootsweb site under 'Germany'. I miss the Hessenland forum, which was managed by John Merz, the German-Canadian, who is responsible for much of the research into the whereabout of the Hessian Soldiers who after the war of 1776/78 had fled to Canada. John Merz, who hailed from Gelnhausen, Germany, had visited his hometown to receive an award from the townspeople for all the work he had done in the past. Upon returning to St. Catherines, CAN he became very ill so that he was unable to log onto the forum. Then one day, his great-grandson came online and wrote that his "Opa" had died. So sad. God rest his soul. Coming back to St Clair Co, IL, if you haven't done so already, you may want to visit the "Illinois Trails" website as it has quite a lot of data on German immigrants. [What a shock when I woke up to see another 12 inches of snow on the ground and no place for the robins to find food! I hope it melts quickly before they all die!] Keep warm, Ursula. ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Kuehn" <pkuehn38@comcast.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:36:27 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info I  research for origin & family of grgrgrandmother,Louise C. Schmidt, b.1831,from Hannover,emmiigranted at age 14 ,assume w// family, thru New Orleans about 1845.1849 she wed Johann Heinrich Roell from Westfalia.She moved to Binghamton NY ,then  she & spouse & daughter Charlotte R oell moved to West bend ,Milwaukee County, WI.Later ,the family moved to New Athens ,St.Clair County ,IL where she died & is buried in  Belleville ,St. Clair County ,IL. ALong w/ most of her immediate decendants. I have found Schmidt surname everywhere they lived.Being its one of the most common surnames makes it tougher tto nail down. No other clues have been found to date. Thats why I follow up on most Schmidt surnames. Thankyou,  Phil Kuehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kokrda" <kokrdaj@cox.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:50:18 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info I looked on the internet at whitepages.com and many with the Oehler name live in Iowa and Minnesota and lists their ages. If you could get on a website for Iowa or Minnesota I am sure someone would know them and contact someone that is interested in genealogy of the family.  That information is too precious to dispose of and if it were my family would pay for any price that you would have to give to find someone. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "nancy sanders" <nancy_ellen56@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info >I sold my shop and in sorting through things, I found a bible possibly >belonging > to Ruth Oehler. > > On the inside cover are three german poems?, taped to the cover, the next > page > is a glued page that says " A cousin of mine on the Schmidt side: > Lina Mack, Untersdheffach, Kries Sahivabish Hall, Wurttenberg-Germany, > another name on same page is: Mrs. William (marie) Hausler, Karlsrue, > klauprecht > Street 47, Germany. There is an arrow pointing to this name and a > statement: Her > mother a Kern born Schmidt, a cousin, address Fritz Kern, Unterashpach, > Kreis > Hall, Wurttenberg Germany. > > Elise Kech Lausheim, Post- Grmmerlshofen, Baden Germnay > Esther it Karl Stier krs Hall, Ester is a daughter of Mrs. Anna Heninger, > Untershpach, Hall, Wurttenberg > > on the next page is a paper taped and Says Old German Prayers taught us, > by our > mother and which she used on her death bed, Paulina Schmidt, Ruth Oehler > > Ruth Catherina Schmidt was born in Mason City Iowa,june 4 1895, she > married > Arthur August Herman Oehler Sept 16 1914, he was born in Yellow Back, he > was > born may 7 1890. > > His parents are Tobia Oehler and Albertina Ninneman, her parents are John > Schmidt and Paulina Vogelbacker. > > Children of Ruth and Arthur are Donald, Muriel whom married a > Bunting,Raymond, > Gerald, and Jeannette whom married a Ceser. > > Johan Schmidt was born april 10, 1863 in Wurttenberg, and died may 11 > 1928. His > wife Paulina Volgelbacker born Baden Germany June 8 1888, and died Nov 9 > 1955 in > Ortonville Minn. > > It also mentions Frederic G. Schmidt and says Helens death Aug 29, 1959. > It also states that john Schmidt is the son of Simeon and Katherina > Phillips. > > Another passage has the information: Uncle Gus born Baden Germany dec 26 > 1867, > Parents John and Notburger Hettig Vogelbacker, Gus 5th of 6 children, He > was 1st > one to come to America, Their mother killed by lightening, he was 9 yrs, > 17 yrs > old when he came over 1884 with Cousin Anthony Boma. > Ursala Hedich mother of Notburga Hedich Vogelbacher Mother of Paulina > Vogelbacher Schmidt mother of Ruth Schmidt Oehler mother of muriel Oehler > Bunting, Jeanette Oehler Ceser and 3 sons. > > The Oeler grandchildren are listed and so are the parents of > Auther Oeler. > > If there is an interest or connection to this family, you may email me for > further info. > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5976 (20110322) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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Hi Phil, To what do you attribute the family's many moves around the country before settling in St Clair Co. IL? I remember corresponding with a German man on the now defunct "Hessenland" forum who had done extensive research in St Clair County, IL and who subsequently published a book about the German settlers in that county. If you have the time and patience, you may want to read some of the archived posts on the Hessenland forum. You find it on the rootsweb site under 'Germany'. I miss the Hessenland forum, which was managed by John Merz, the German-Canadian, who is responsible for much of the research into the whereabout of the Hessian Soldiers who after the war of 1776/78 had fled to Canada. John Merz, who hailed from Gelnhausen, Germany, had visited his hometown to receive an award from the townspeople for all the work he had done in the past. Upon returning to St. Catherines, CAN he became very ill so that he was unable to log onto the forum. Then one day, his great-grandson came online and wrote that his "Opa" had died. So sad. God rest his soul. Coming back to St Clair Co, IL, if you haven't done so already, you may want to visit the "Illinois Trails" website as it has quite a lot of data on German immigrants. [What a shock when I woke up to see another 12 inches of snow on the ground and no place for the robins to find food! I hope it melts quickly before they all die!] Keep warm, Ursula. ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Kuehn" <pkuehn38@comcast.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 9:36:27 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info I  research for origin & family of grgrgrandmother,Louise C. Schmidt, b.1831,from Hannover,emmiigranted at age 14 ,assume w// family, thru New Orleans about 1845.1849 she wed Johann Heinrich Roell from Westfalia.She moved to Binghamton NY ,then  she & spouse & daughter Charlotte R oell moved to West bend ,Milwaukee County, WI.Later ,the family moved to New Athens ,St.Clair County ,IL where she died & is buried in  Belleville ,St. Clair County ,IL. ALong w/ most of her immediate decendants. I have found Schmidt surname everywhere they lived.Being its one of the most common surnames makes it tougher tto nail down. No other clues have been found to date. Thats why I follow up on most Schmidt surnames. Thankyou,  Phil Kuehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kokrda" <kokrdaj@cox.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:50:18 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info I looked on the internet at whitepages.com and many with the Oehler name live in Iowa and Minnesota and lists their ages. If you could get on a website for Iowa or Minnesota I am sure someone would know them and contact someone that is interested in genealogy of the family.  That information is too precious to dispose of and if it were my family would pay for any price that you would have to give to find someone. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "nancy sanders" <nancy_ellen56@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info >I sold my shop and in sorting through things, I found a bible possibly >belonging > to Ruth Oehler. > > On the inside cover are three german poems?, taped to the cover, the next > page > is a glued page that says " A cousin of mine on the Schmidt side: > Lina Mack, Untersdheffach, Kries Sahivabish Hall, Wurttenberg-Germany, > another name on same page is: Mrs. William (marie) Hausler, Karlsrue, > klauprecht > Street 47, Germany. There is an arrow pointing to this name and a > statement: Her > mother a Kern born Schmidt, a cousin, address Fritz Kern, Unterashpach, > Kreis > Hall, Wurttenberg Germany. > > Elise Kech Lausheim, Post- Grmmerlshofen, Baden Germnay > Esther it Karl Stier krs Hall, Ester is a daughter of Mrs. Anna Heninger, > Untershpach, Hall, Wurttenberg > > on the next page is a paper taped and Says Old German Prayers taught us, > by our > mother and which she used on her death bed, Paulina Schmidt, Ruth Oehler > > Ruth Catherina Schmidt was born in Mason City Iowa,june 4 1895, she > married > Arthur August Herman Oehler Sept 16 1914, he was born in Yellow Back, he > was > born may 7 1890. > > His parents are Tobia Oehler and Albertina Ninneman, her parents are John > Schmidt and Paulina Vogelbacker. > > Children of Ruth and Arthur are Donald, Muriel whom married a > Bunting,Raymond, > Gerald, and Jeannette whom married a Ceser. > > Johan Schmidt was born april 10, 1863 in Wurttenberg, and died may 11 > 1928. His > wife Paulina Volgelbacker born Baden Germany June 8 1888, and died Nov 9 > 1955 in > Ortonville Minn. > > It also mentions Frederic G. Schmidt and says Helens death Aug 29, 1959. > It also states that john Schmidt is the son of Simeon and Katherina > Phillips. > > Another passage has the information: Uncle Gus born Baden Germany dec 26 > 1867, > Parents John and Notburger Hettig Vogelbacker, Gus 5th of 6 children, He > was 1st > one to come to America, Their mother killed by lightening, he was 9 yrs, > 17 yrs > old when he came over 1884 with Cousin Anthony Boma. > Ursala Hedich mother of Notburga Hedich Vogelbacher Mother of Paulina > Vogelbacher Schmidt mother of Ruth Schmidt Oehler mother of muriel Oehler > Bunting, Jeanette Oehler Ceser and 3 sons. > > The Oeler grandchildren are listed and so are the parents of > Auther Oeler. > > If there is an interest or connection to this family, you may email me for > further info. > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5976 (20110322) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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I  research for origin & family of grgrgrandmother,Louise C. Schmidt, b.1831,from Hannover,emmiigranted at age 14 ,assume w// family, thru New Orleans about 1845.1849 she wed Johann Heinrich Roell from Westfalia.She moved to Binghamton NY ,then  she & spouse & daughter Charlotte R oell moved to West bend ,Milwaukee County, WI.Later ,the family moved to New Athens ,St.Clair County ,IL where she died & is buried in  Belleville ,St. Clair County ,IL. ALong w/ most of her immediate decendants. I have found Schmidt surname everywhere they lived.Being its one of the most common surnames makes it tougher tto nail down. No other clues have been found to date. Thats why I follow up on most Schmidt surnames. Thankyou,  Phil Kuehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kokrda" <kokrdaj@cox.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:50:18 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info I looked on the internet at whitepages.com and many with the Oehler name live in Iowa and Minnesota and lists their ages. If you could get on a website for Iowa or Minnesota I am sure someone would know them and contact someone that is interested in genealogy of the family.  That information is too precious to dispose of and if it were my family would pay for any price that you would have to give to find someone. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "nancy sanders" <nancy_ellen56@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info >I sold my shop and in sorting through things, I found a bible possibly >belonging > to Ruth Oehler. > > On the inside cover are three german poems?, taped to the cover, the next > page > is a glued page that says " A cousin of mine on the Schmidt side: > Lina Mack, Untersdheffach, Kries Sahivabish Hall, Wurttenberg-Germany, > another name on same page is: Mrs. William (marie) Hausler, Karlsrue, > klauprecht > Street 47, Germany. There is an arrow pointing to this name and a > statement: Her > mother a Kern born Schmidt, a cousin, address Fritz Kern, Unterashpach, > Kreis > Hall, Wurttenberg Germany. > > Elise Kech Lausheim, Post- Grmmerlshofen, Baden Germnay > Esther it Karl Stier krs Hall, Ester is a daughter of Mrs. Anna Heninger, > Untershpach, Hall, Wurttenberg > > on the next page is a paper taped and Says Old German Prayers taught us, > by our > mother and which she used on her death bed, Paulina Schmidt, Ruth Oehler > > Ruth Catherina Schmidt was born in Mason City Iowa,june 4 1895, she > married > Arthur August Herman Oehler Sept 16 1914, he was born in Yellow Back, he > was > born may 7 1890. > > His parents are Tobia Oehler and Albertina Ninneman, her parents are John > Schmidt and Paulina Vogelbacker. > > Children of Ruth and Arthur are Donald, Muriel whom married a > Bunting,Raymond, > Gerald, and Jeannette whom married a Ceser. > > Johan Schmidt was born april 10, 1863 in Wurttenberg, and died may 11 > 1928. His > wife Paulina Volgelbacker born Baden Germany June 8 1888, and died Nov 9 > 1955 in > Ortonville Minn. > > It also mentions Frederic G. Schmidt and says Helens death Aug 29, 1959. > It also states that john Schmidt is the son of Simeon and Katherina > Phillips. > > Another passage has the information: Uncle Gus born Baden Germany dec 26 > 1867, > Parents John and Notburger Hettig Vogelbacker, Gus 5th of 6 children, He > was 1st > one to come to America, Their mother killed by lightening, he was 9 yrs, > 17 yrs > old when he came over 1884 with Cousin Anthony Boma. > Ursala Hedich mother of Notburga Hedich Vogelbacher Mother of Paulina > Vogelbacher Schmidt mother of Ruth Schmidt Oehler mother of muriel Oehler > Bunting, Jeanette Oehler Ceser and 3 sons. > > The Oeler grandchildren are listed and so are the parents of > Auther Oeler. > > If there is an interest or connection to this family, you may email me for > further info. > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5976 (20110322) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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There was also Oehler in Mich. I knew an older man named John Oehler in Macomb Twp,Macomb County,MI in the 1950-1970 era. pkuehn38@comcast.net Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kokrda" <kokrdaj@cox.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:50:18 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info I looked on the internet at whitepages.com and many with the Oehler name live in Iowa and Minnesota and lists their ages. If you could get on a website for Iowa or Minnesota I am sure someone would know them and contact someone that is interested in genealogy of the family.  That information is too precious to dispose of and if it were my family would pay for any price that you would have to give to find someone. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "nancy sanders" <nancy_ellen56@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:41 PM Subject: [G-P-L] schmidt / Oehler family bible info >I sold my shop and in sorting through things, I found a bible possibly >belonging > to Ruth Oehler. > > On the inside cover are three german poems?, taped to the cover, the next > page > is a glued page that says " A cousin of mine on the Schmidt side: > Lina Mack, Untersdheffach, Kries Sahivabish Hall, Wurttenberg-Germany, > another name on same page is: Mrs. William (marie) Hausler, Karlsrue, > klauprecht > Street 47, Germany. There is an arrow pointing to this name and a > statement: Her > mother a Kern born Schmidt, a cousin, address Fritz Kern, Unterashpach, > Kreis > Hall, Wurttenberg Germany. > > Elise Kech Lausheim, Post- Grmmerlshofen, Baden Germnay > Esther it Karl Stier krs Hall, Ester is a daughter of Mrs. Anna Heninger, > Untershpach, Hall, Wurttenberg > > on the next page is a paper taped and Says Old German Prayers taught us, > by our > mother and which she used on her death bed, Paulina Schmidt, Ruth Oehler > > Ruth Catherina Schmidt was born in Mason City Iowa,june 4 1895, she > married > Arthur August Herman Oehler Sept 16 1914, he was born in Yellow Back, he > was > born may 7 1890. > > His parents are Tobia Oehler and Albertina Ninneman, her parents are John > Schmidt and Paulina Vogelbacker. > > Children of Ruth and Arthur are Donald, Muriel whom married a > Bunting,Raymond, > Gerald, and Jeannette whom married a Ceser. > > Johan Schmidt was born april 10, 1863 in Wurttenberg, and died may 11 > 1928. His > wife Paulina Volgelbacker born Baden Germany June 8 1888, and died Nov 9 > 1955 in > Ortonville Minn. > > It also mentions Frederic G. Schmidt and says Helens death Aug 29, 1959. > It also states that john Schmidt is the son of Simeon and Katherina > Phillips. > > Another passage has the information: Uncle Gus born Baden Germany dec 26 > 1867, > Parents John and Notburger Hettig Vogelbacker, Gus 5th of 6 children, He > was 1st > one to come to America, Their mother killed by lightening, he was 9 yrs, > 17 yrs > old when he came over 1884 with Cousin Anthony Boma. > Ursala Hedich mother of Notburga Hedich Vogelbacher Mother of Paulina > Vogelbacher Schmidt mother of Ruth Schmidt Oehler mother of muriel Oehler > Bunting, Jeanette Oehler Ceser and 3 sons. > > The Oeler grandchildren are listed and so are the parents of > Auther Oeler. > > If there is an interest or connection to this family, you may email me for > further info. > > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 5976 (20110322) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 6237 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stemmen is a village in the parish of Silixen.The Silixen parish registers are available on microfilm throughFamilySearch. You can order them to a family history center in your area. Lippe also has a very active genealogical society; the resources on the society's website can be very helpful: http://www.nhv-ahnenforschung.de/ Good luck! Baerbel <Karl Busch was born 1778 and died in 1848 in Germany. His wife name is Amalie Sophie Ehlebract. Karl was born in Silixen, Lippe-Demold, Germany. Karl had one son that I know of, Christian August Hilker wird Busch Christian was born 10 Jan 1830 Stemmen, Lippe-Demold. I am trying to find out if Karl had any more children and who was Karl parents. Thanks for your help Jerrald Lloyd> NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.