Where can you purchase historical postcards? Joe W.

If anyone wants a picture of a postcard I bought on line years ago, of Trossingen, let me know.  I will email it to them.  I bought it from someone in Germany, and he told me that the original village of Trossingen had burned down, and the villagers rebuilt it, and that the postcard was of the new village. MYRA HERRON Honk if you love Jesus. Text while driving if you want to meet him. --- On Thu, 3/31/11, Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Vintage Postcards To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, March 31, 2011, 10:41 AM Baerbel, the towns I'm looking for are Angersbach, Lauterbach, Blitzenrod, Maar, Rudlos, Stockhausen ..... they are very rare and hard to find and if they come up for auction they are snapped up by local researchers. Although I was lucky one time when I found 5 different postcards from Lauterbach all written by various relatives and all addressed to the immigrant Thomas Stock in St. Louis. Thomas Stock was born in Eisenbach/Lauterbach. He had immigrated to St Louis in the 1850s. When his wife had died, he had sent for another woman he had known while growing up and then married her. With the information contained on the 5 postcards and with the help of a local researcher in Lauterbach, I was able to trace and connect them to the descendants left behind. I will never have such luck again. Very fascinating what information postcards can reveal. I found Mr. Charles Ramm and his wife Therese on the 1920 census in Davenport, Iowa. He said he immigrated in 1906. The postcard was mailed from Mittweida, Germany on 14 NOV 1906 and arrived in Davenport on 20 NOV 1906. His friend writes: "How are things going with you? Did you arrive OK? Were you not seasick?" Oh how I wish I could inform some descendant of Charles Ramm of this postcard! Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:27:56 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Vintage Postcards Ursula, I also have some historical postcards from Hessen. Please remind me which was your home town. I have also been impressed with the turn of the 20th century postal service - not only did they deliver the mail to the correct place; they delivered twice a day, and it took only ten days for a letter to travel from Rome, Italy, to Chicago, and three days from California to Chicago in the 1890s. Baerbel Hello All, Just searched through hundreds of German vintage postcards on ebay in the hope of finding one from my hometown in Hesse. While I didn't find what I was looking for, I thought I'd remind all of you family researchers that this is an excellent place to find postcards of German towns from the turn of the last century, before many of the fabulous structures were destroyed by the two wars. My favorites are the ones that have lots of writing on them, including the address of the recipient. Funny that in 1906 German relatives could send a postcard addressed to Mr. K. Ramm c/o Mr. Hinr. Kelling, Davenport, Iowa and it got there without a street address. I guess that was a time where you had to personally pick up your mail at the postoffice. This explains the frequent messages found in old newspapers alerting local citizens that they had a letter or postcard waiting for them. Check it out sometime. On ebay go to Collectibles > Postcards > International Postcards > Germany. Happy hunting! Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. 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Baerbel, thank you so much for the clarification. I will start searching in Nuernberg, pronto! Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 10:16:26 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Matricula Online Hi Ursula and Rick, Perhaps I can offer some clarification regarding the Matricula Online website. This site is intended as a place where Western European archives can post images of church records for free access. So far, the Diocesan Archive of St. Poelten, Austria, and the Diocesan Archive of Passau in Bavaria have posted images of most [ if not all, by now] of their parish registers on that site, and those are searchable free of charge. The other archives you mentioned: Kurhessen-Waldeck [Kassel] Rheinland Berlin Palatinate basically used this site to practice putting images and inventories online. The Kassel Evangelical archive posted an inventory and the images of the Gelnhausen area church records on that site, and the Lutheran Archive of the Rhineland also posted a sampling of records from its holdings online. Most of this material is not available on FamilySearch, but can be freely searched online. The drawback is that it only covers a limited area. Last July a group of about 33 church archives [various denominations]created a new Web site: www.kirchenbuchportal.de. This group, which includes the archives listed above, has decided to Put their records online "mittelfristig", that is, in the not too distant future. They have begun by posting detailed inventories of each archive's holdings, along with a searchable database of the combined inventories. This database can be used without charge, and it is already helpful. The group plans to charge for access to the church records they post online to help pay for the expensive hardware and software they have to buy to make it possible. My guess is that the fees will not be in the 70 Dollar range, or no one will use the site, but so far they have not given a ballpark figure. With the price of plane tickets these days it'll probably still be a good deal... The most exciting part of the Kirchenbuchportal site is the list of participating archives. FamilySearch has not filmed in most of them, and many are the popular ones like the Hannover Lutheran Archive, the Saxony and Thueringen archives, and some Bavarian ones. I, for one, am hoping that "mittelfristig" comes soon! Many German church archives now charge in the neighborhood of 70 Dollars per hour to do research for patrons, some more, some less. I think that's why Matricula states it will cost that much if the archive does the research for you. Baerbel ------------ While it states that all research is free, there is no online access to the digitized records and if you locate a town and want to look at the church records [I was interested in Rockensuess, Kurhessen-Waldeck], a window pops up requesting you to enter a name and they will do a search for 70.00 Euro to start. That's outside the budget of most family researchers. It appears to me that the Germans have caught on real quick and for a price are more than anxious to feed America's hunger for the roots of its ancestors. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Baerbel, the towns I'm looking for are Angersbach, Lauterbach, Blitzenrod, Maar, Rudlos, Stockhausen ..... they are very rare and hard to find and if they come up for auction they are snapped up by local researchers. Although I was lucky one time when I found 5 different postcards from Lauterbach all written by various relatives and all addressed to the immigrant Thomas Stock in St. Louis. Thomas Stock was born in Eisenbach/Lauterbach. He had immigrated to St Louis in the 1850s. When his wife had died, he had sent for another woman he had known while growing up and then married her. With the information contained on the 5 postcards and with the help of a local researcher in Lauterbach, I was able to trace and connect them to the descendants left behind. I will never have such luck again. Very fascinating what information postcards can reveal. I found Mr. Charles Ramm and his wife Therese on the 1920 census in Davenport, Iowa. He said he immigrated in 1906. The postcard was mailed from Mittweida, Germany on 14 NOV 1906 and arrived in Davenport on 20 NOV 1906. His friend writes: "How are things going with you? Did you arrive OK? Were you not seasick?" Oh how I wish I could inform some descendant of Charles Ramm of this postcard! Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:27:56 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Vintage Postcards Ursula, I also have some historical postcards from Hessen. Please remind me which was your home town. I have also been impressed with the turn of the 20th century postal service - not only did they deliver the mail to the correct place; they delivered twice a day, and it took only ten days for a letter to travel from Rome, Italy, to Chicago, and three days from California to Chicago in the 1890s. Baerbel Hello All, Just searched through hundreds of German vintage postcards on ebay in the hope of finding one from my hometown in Hesse. While I didn't find what I was looking for, I thought I'd remind all of you family researchers that this is an excellent place to find postcards of German towns from the turn of the last century, before many of the fabulous structures were destroyed by the two wars. My favorites are the ones that have lots of writing on them, including the address of the recipient. Funny that in 1906 German relatives could send a postcard addressed to Mr. K. Ramm c/o Mr. Hinr. Kelling, Davenport, Iowa and it got there without a street address. I guess that was a time where you had to personally pick up your mail at the postoffice. This explains the frequent messages found in old newspapers alerting local citizens that they had a letter or postcard waiting for them. Check it out sometime. On ebay go to Collectibles > Postcards > International Postcards > Germany. Happy hunting! Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also am impressed by this USPoastal Service.  I sent a package to our CPA from Florida to Rochester Michigan 3 years ago this month & it has yet to arrive. In the package is all our ID & financial information. Inspection at both ends came up with nothing. I thought the airlines losing our luggage 2 times was bad service. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 9:27:56 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Vintage Postcards Ursula, I also have some historical postcards from Hessen. Please remind me which was your home town. I have also been impressed with the turn of the 20th century postal service - not only did they deliver the mail to the correct place; they delivered twice a day, and it took only ten days for a letter to travel from Rome, Italy, to Chicago, and three days from California to Chicago in the 1890s. Baerbel Hello All, Just searched through hundreds of German vintage postcards on ebay in the hope of finding one from my hometown in Hesse. While I didn't find what I was looking for, I thought I'd remind all of you family researchers that this is an excellent place to find postcards of German towns from the turn of the last century, before many of the fabulous structures were destroyed by the two wars. My favorites are the ones that have lots of writing on them, including the address of the recipient. Funny that in 1906 German relatives could send a postcard addressed to Mr. K. Ramm c/o Mr. Hinr. Kelling, Davenport, Iowa and it got there without a street address. I guess that was a time where you had to personally pick up your mail at the postoffice. This explains the frequent messages found in old newspapers alerting local citizens that they had a letter or postcard waiting for them. Check it out sometime. On ebay go to Collectibles > Postcards > International Postcards > Germany. Happy hunting! Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message  NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello All, Just searched through hundreds of German vintage postcards on ebay in the hope of finding one from my hometown in Hesse. While I didn't find what I was looking for, I thought I'd remind all of you family researchers that this is an excellent place to find postcards of German towns from the turn of the last century, before many of the fabulous structures were destroyed by the two wars. My favorites are the ones that have lots of writing on them, including the address of the recipient. Funny that in 1906 German relatives could send a postcard addressed to Mr. K. Ramm c/o Mr. Hinr. Kelling, Davenport, Iowa and it got there without a street address. I guess that was a time where you had to personally pick up your mail at the postoffice. This explains the frequent messages found in old newspapers alerting local citizens that they had a letter or postcard waiting for them. Check it out sometime. On ebay go to Collectibles > Postcards > International Postcards > Germany. Happy hunting! Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time.

I have been reading the various "problems" with mail, both here and in Germany. I have friends on both sides with them One is still waiting for the Christmas gift sent by her sister. There was a card IN the gift that she received. My friend and I have the same results sending to Germany. We never send money of any type to Germany. It doesn't seem to get there. Anything of value, we insure heavily. This should remind us to have copies of any of our important family information. Apparently we have dishonest people on both sides. Bill Fehlinger-New Jersey

Years ago, I sent my rent check to my landlord. I dropped it in the mail slot inside the Post Office. Needless to say, the Postal Inspectors were unable to determine what became of it. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Kuehn" To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: 31 March, 2011 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Vintage Postcards > > > I also am impressed by this USPoastal Service. > > I sent a package to our CPA from Florida to Rochester Michigan 3 years ago > this month & it has yet to arrive. > > In the package is all our ID & financial information. > > Inspection at both ends came up with nothing. > > I thought the airlines losing our luggage 2 times was bad service. > > Phil

Hi Ursula, I went to the Nuernberg index , and of course there are a lot of Fuchs entries, even just for 1864-1864. There are several without given names as well. Of note is that there are still over 33,000 [!] illegitimate births that have not yet been added into the index. Bavaria had a high rate of illegitimacy, due to very restrictive marriage laws. Baerbel NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

I really only wanted to emphasize how efficient the mail service was in former days.... Too bad about all your valuable information; I bet that was scary. Good thing you had back-ups... Baerbel I also am impressed by this USPoastal Service.  I sent a package to our CPA from Florida to Rochester Michigan 3 years ago this month & it has yet to arrive. In the package is all our ID & financial information. Inspection at both ends came up with nothing. NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

Hi Ursula, Well, now, finding that baptismal record may not be as difficult as you think! Voila the Internet! A wonderful index of the parish register duplicates and civil registration records for the city of Nuernberg is now available on the Austrian site www.genteam.at. To use the resources on this site, free registration is required, and you must create a user name and password. Once you have signed into the site, a link called "regional" on the bottom left will take you to several resources, including the Nuernberg index. If you have questions, please get in touch. Good luck! Baerbel <The only other alternative would be to locate the birth certificate / church book entry of his son, John W. Fuchs, who was born in 1863 in Nuernberg. Of course this chance is slim to none as there probably were several churches in that city and there is also the chance that Nuernberg may not have been the actual place of origin but rather a place in the immediate vicinity.> NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

Hi Ursula and Rick, Perhaps I can offer some clarification regarding the Matricula Online website. This site is intended as a place where Western European archives can post images of church records for free access. So far, the Diocesan Archive of St. Poelten, Austria, and the Diocesan Archive of Passau in Bavaria have posted images of most [ if not all, by now] of their parish registers on that site, and those are searchable free of charge. The other archives you mentioned: Kurhessen-Waldeck [Kassel] Rheinland Berlin Palatinate basically used this site to practice putting images and inventories online. The Kassel Evangelical archive posted an inventory and the images of the Gelnhausen area church records on that site, and the Lutheran Archive of the Rhineland also posted a sampling of records from its holdings online. Most of this material is not available on FamilySearch, but can be freely searched online. The drawback is that it only covers a limited area. Last July a group of about 33 church archives [various denominations]created a new Web site: www.kirchenbuchportal.de. This group, which includes the archives listed above, has decided to Put their records online "mittelfristig", that is, in the not too distant future. They have begun by posting detailed inventories of each archive's holdings, along with a searchable database of the combined inventories. This database can be used without charge, and it is already helpful. The group plans to charge for access to the church records they post online to help pay for the expensive hardware and software they have to buy to make it possible. My guess is that the fees will not be in the 70 Dollar range, or no one will use the site, but so far they have not given a ballpark figure. With the price of plane tickets these days it'll probably still be a good deal... The most exciting part of the Kirchenbuchportal site is the list of participating archives. FamilySearch has not filmed in most of them, and many are the popular ones like the Hannover Lutheran Archive, the Saxony and Thueringen archives, and some Bavarian ones. I, for one, am hoping that "mittelfristig" comes soon! Many German church archives now charge in the neighborhood of 70 Dollars per hour to do research for patrons, some more, some less. I think that's why Matricula states it will cost that much if the archive does the research for you. Baerbel ------------ While it states that all research is free, there is no online access to the digitized records and if you locate a town and want to look at the church records [I was interested in Rockensuess, Kurhessen-Waldeck], a window pops up requesting you to enter a name and they will do a search for 70.00 Euro to start. That's outside the budget of most family researchers. It appears to me that the Germans have caught on real quick and for a price are more than anxious to feed America's hunger for the roots of its ancestors. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

Ursula, I also have some historical postcards from Hessen. Please remind me which was your home town. I have also been impressed with the turn of the 20th century postal service - not only did they deliver the mail to the correct place; they delivered twice a day, and it took only ten days for a letter to travel from Rome, Italy, to Chicago, and three days from California to Chicago in the 1890s. Baerbel Hello All, Just searched through hundreds of German vintage postcards on ebay in the hope of finding one from my hometown in Hesse. While I didn't find what I was looking for, I thought I'd remind all of you family researchers that this is an excellent place to find postcards of German towns from the turn of the last century, before many of the fabulous structures were destroyed by the two wars. My favorites are the ones that have lots of writing on them, including the address of the recipient. Funny that in 1906 German relatives could send a postcard addressed to Mr. K. Ramm c/o Mr. Hinr. Kelling, Davenport, Iowa and it got there without a street address. I guess that was a time where you had to personally pick up your mail at the postoffice. This explains the frequent messages found in old newspapers alerting local citizens that they had a letter or postcard waiting for them. Check it out sometime. On ebay go to Collectibles > Postcards > International Postcards > Germany. Happy hunting! Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

Hello rwe, thanks for the tip, unfortunately, there is no data that's searchable online and it covers only a limited area: Passau, Bavaria Kurhessen-Waldeck Rheinland Berlin Palatinate. While it states that all research is free, there is no online access to the digitized records and if you locate a town and want to look at the church records [I was interested in Rockensuess, Kurhessen-Waldeck], a window pops up requesting you to enter a name and they will do a search for 70.00 Euro to start. That's outside the budget of most family researchers. It appears to me that the Germans have caught on real quick and for a price are more than anxious to feed America's hunger for the roots of its ancestors. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time.

Hello Ilse, FYI there was more than one court to which one could apply for naturalization; Some applicants went to the Circuit Court in the county in which they resided while others went to the Federal District Court. It's only the Federal Court records that were sent to the NRA in Chicago whereas the District Court records for Michigan are archived in Lansing and can be searched online. Sorry, I don't have a link just now but if you google michigan.gov you may be able to find what you're searching for. I forget, is Ecorse in Wayne County? Good luck in your research. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilse Nusbaum" <ilse.nusbaum@att.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:51:58 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization Oh my goodness -- and I was looking for an easy answer regarding Heinrich Schipper of Ecorse Michigan and his first wife Gisela & his second wife Hermine. Ilse ________________________________ From: Baerbel Johnson <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: "germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com" <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:05:41 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization

Hello Baerbel, My, oh my, thank you so much for posting the holdings. I shall print them out for future reference. Unfortunately, I neglected to add that I'm searching for naturalizations prior to 1900, in fact the year of naturalization was 1872. However, I'm happy to see the list as it may help someone else. With prior years not being available, this explains why the National Archives in Chicago was unable to assist me. That's too bad as the friend who I'm trying to help will never know the names of his ggrandparents. The only other alternative would be to locate the birth certificate / church book entry of his son, John W. Fuchs, who was born in 1863 in Nuernberg. Of course this chance is slim to none as there probably were several churches in that city and there is also the chance that Nuernberg may not have been the actual place of origin but rather a place in the immediate vicinity. I hope I haven't caused you too much of a headache! :-) Thank you so much for your help in this matter. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:05:41 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization Hi Ursula, I am sort of reading along while banging my head against the proverbial Wiki wall.... I found these records http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=511427&disp=Naturalization+records%2C+1913%2D1928 &columns=*,0,0 Naturalization records, 1913-1928 Authors United States. District Court (Michigan : Eastern District) (Main Author)

Yes, Ursula, Ecorse is in Wayne County. Ann in Texas On 3/30/2011 7:41 PM, Ursula wrote: > Hello Ilse, > > FYI there was more than one court to which one could apply for naturalization; > Some applicants went to the Circuit Court in the county in which they resided while others went to the Federal District Court. > It's only the Federal Court records that were sent to the NRA in Chicago whereas the District Court records for Michigan are archived in Lansing and can be searched online. > > Sorry, I don't have a link just now but if you google michigan.gov you may be able to find what you're searching for. > I forget, is Ecorse in Wayne County? > > Good luck in your research. > > Ursula > > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ilse Nusbaum"<ilse.nusbaum@att.net> > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:51:58 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization > > Oh my goodness -- and I was looking for an easy answer regarding Heinrich > Schipper of Ecorse Michigan and his first wife Gisela& his second wife Hermine. > > Ilse > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Baerbel Johnson<JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> > To: "germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com" > <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:05:41 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you so much, Ursula -- As always, you are so knowledgeable and willing to help. Yes, Ecorse is in Wayne County. Ilse ________________________________ From: Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 5:41:30 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization Hello Ilse, FYI there was more than one court to which one could apply for naturalization; Some applicants went to the Circuit Court in the county in which they resided while others went to the Federal District Court. It's only the Federal Court records that were sent to the NRA in Chicago whereas the District Court records for Michigan are archived in Lansing and can be searched online. Sorry, I don't have a link just now but if you google michigan.gov you may be able to find what you're searching for. I forget, is Ecorse in Wayne County? Good luck in your research. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ilse Nusbaum" <ilse.nusbaum@att.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:51:58 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization Oh my goodness -- and I was looking for an easy answer regarding Heinrich Schipper of Ecorse Michigan and his first wife Gisela & his second wife Hermine. Ilse ________________________________ From: Baerbel Johnson <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: "germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com" <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 1:05:41 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Baerbel, [I hope you're reading along]! Can you find out if the LDS has microfilmed the naturalization records for the Eastern Federal District Cout of Michigan [which includes Detroit] that are archived in Chicago? These are naturalizations that were performed in the Federal District Court in Detroit. These are not the nat. records accessible online. I had posted this subject a couple of years ago to no avail and I'm hoping that enough time has passed to where they might be available on film. Two years ago I applied to the Chicago archives and while they first thought they could help since I have the exact date on which the naturalization took place, without knowing the first name of the applicant and the surname being FUCHS that was subsequently changed to FOX, they could not help me. I have no idea by what system these records have been filed. Of course there is the possibility that they didn't want to be bothered. You may ask how come I know the exact date and place but not the first name of the person. The information comes from a passport application made by the applicant's son, John W. Fox, in which he referenced that his father immigrated from Nuernberg on such and such a date, and that his father was naturalized on such and such a date in Detroit without ever mentioning his father's first name!! Since John W. Fox, the son, spent much of his adult life in the state of NY, while his parents lived in Detroit, I have not been able to connect him to his parents under FUCHS or FOX. I was hopeful when I came across the passenger list of a John Fuchs from Nuernberg, but I have never been able to find him on a census following his immigration. I would be most appreciative if you could check this out for me. Thanks a bunch. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B Adamson" <ubatrans@comcast.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:04:05 PM Subject: [G-P-L] testing sending problem with GPL For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hope this helps your friend. A large portion of Bavarian Catholic church records are online and can be research.Check this link out. http://matricula-online.eu/pages/intro.php Click english->research->approve->Germany then choose the city/church. Good luck! --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> wrote: From: Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 7:26 PM Hello Baerbel, My, oh my, thank you so much for posting the holdings. I shall print them out for future reference. Unfortunately, I neglected to add that I'm searching for naturalizations prior to 1900, in fact the year of naturalization was 1872. However, I'm happy to see the list as it may help someone else. With prior years not being available, this explains why the National Archives in Chicago was unable to assist me. That's too bad as the friend who I'm trying to help will never know the names of his ggrandparents. The only other alternative would be to locate the birth certificate / church book entry of his son, John W. Fuchs, who was born in 1863 in Nuernberg. Of course this chance is slim to none as there probably were several churches in that city and there is also the chance that Nuernberg may not have been the actual place of origin but rather a place in the immediate vicinity. I hope I haven't caused you too much of a headache! :-) Thank you so much for your help in this matter. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:05:41 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello Baerbel - Need Info on Naturalization Hi Ursula, I am sort of reading along while banging my head against the proverbial Wiki wall.... I found these records http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=511427&disp=Naturalization+records%2C+1913%2D1928  &columns=*,0,0 Naturalization records, 1913-1928 Authors United States. District Court (Michigan : Eastern District) (Main Author) For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message