Julia, it doesn't matter whether you departed from Cuxhaven, Bremen/Bremerhaven, or Hamburg, the lighthouse known as "Roter Sand", located 30 miles offshore in the North Sea, was the last piece of 'home' the emigrant would see. There are many lighthouses in that area but the oldest and most famous one is the now defunct Roter Sand. Operation was discontinued in the 1960s. I googled "Leuchtturm Roter Sand" but the homepage is in German. You may want to see if they have an English version. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliasgenes" <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 11:52:02 PM Subject: [G-P-L] a question about the Bremerhaven Lighthouse Since the ports of Bremen and Bremerhaven are so close to each other (they are now operated by one port authority, as a matter of fact), I was wondering if passengers departing from both ports would see the lighthouse? Thank you. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Judy, I really don't know what you are looking for. Are you looking for records in Germany or in the US? If you are confident that your ancestors came from Kollm, a hamlet in the Oberlausitz region of Schlesien [notice correct spelling of Kollm], which is now in Saxony, you may want to sign up to the Saxony list to see what resources there are available. Shown below is a link to the church in Kollm as part of a travel brochure. http://www.urlaub-reise-ideen.de/oberlausitz/kollm-kirche.html Please let us know if you're looking for them in US. Best wishes, Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Wiersema" <judybevans@att.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 7:36:25 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Fw: question about Selisia I have not received any help at all, can anyone help me thank you ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Judy Wiersema <judybevans@att.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 4:17:54 PM Subject: [G-P-L] question about Selisia Could anyone tell me about the country Selisia, I have been searching for years for my ggrands, and now I find out I have been researching in the wrong place and they probably came from Selisia, I was visiting the Allen County Library and a kind young man from Belgium who was sitting by me, informed me that I was looking in the wrong place, and to look at Silesia. I have never heard of Silesia. Their surname I believe was spelled originally as Czechowicz, as I have seen other names like that, but not the spelling they used in America. In Silesia there is a province named Katovicz, and Cossel, could they have used that for their names when they came here or how did it work on the passenger list. I just heard of the country lately. Both ggrands said they came from Prussia, born in 1860. He I think from what family has said was Kolm, they came to America in 1887, her name was Amelia Kosel, or Kozal. There is a town in Silesia of Cosel. I just cant find them anywher. He spelled their last name when they came to America as Karl Cekafetz, sounds like Chic a fetz. Any Any Any help would be tremendously appreciated, They lived in Taylorville, and Decatur IL all of their lives. My ggrandmother said she was sorry she ever let him over the border, so I think she was German and he was Polish????? I am at a loss, but always depended on each other until they died, even tho married to someone else. Thank you for any help to guide me in the right direction. I have seen a few books but not events for during the years 1800 to 1900, it was all after 1944 they anyone mentions Silesia ________________________________ For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Since the ports of Bremen and Bremerhaven are so close to each other (they are now operated by one port authority, as a matter of fact), I was wondering if passengers departing from both ports would see the lighthouse? Thank you.
I have not received any help at all, can anyone help me thank you ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Judy Wiersema <judybevans@att.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, April 3, 2011 4:17:54 PM Subject: [G-P-L] question about Selisia Could anyone tell me about the country Selisia, I have been searching for years for my ggrands, and now I find out I have been researching in the wrong place and they probably came from Selisia, I was visiting the Allen County Library and a kind young man from Belgium who was sitting by me, informed me that I was looking in the wrong place, and to look at Silesia. I have never heard of Silesia. Their surname I believe was spelled originally as Czechowicz, as I have seen other names like that, but not the spelling they used in America. In Silesia there is a province named Katovicz, and Cossel, could they have used that for their names when they came here or how did it work on the passenger list. I just heard of the country lately. Both ggrands said they came from Prussia, born in 1860. He I think from what family has said was Kolm, they came to America in 1887, her name was Amelia Kosel, or Kozal. There is a town in Silesia of Cosel. I just cant find them anywher. He spelled their last name when they came to America as Karl Cekafetz, sounds like Chic a fetz. Any Any Any help would be tremendously appreciated, They lived in Taylorville, and Decatur IL all of their lives. My ggrandmother said she was sorry she ever let him over the border, so I think she was German and he was Polish????? I am at a loss, but always depended on each other until they died, even tho married to someone else. Thank you for any help to guide me in the right direction. I have seen a few books but not events for during the years 1800 to 1900, it was all after 1944 they anyone mentions Silesia ________________________________ For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hullo Listers I have male family by the name of GREVE who would have left Bremen for New York prior to 1866 - possibly c1850-1854 Possibly single males or young marrieds from the Hannover territory - their parents Cord (carpenter) and Mary GREVE came to South Australia in 1854 on the "Wandrahm" to be with their daughter Anna Catherina (Milliner) who married Franz ANDERS (Cabinet Maker) I have (maybe) GREVE family in Achim and Hoya (1852 Hannover Census) Any help would be appreciated Chris in Hahndorf South Australia
Thank you very much I shall put these names on file for further research first I must find the names of Annas brothers who migrated to New York before 1866 Chris in Hahndorf South Australia _____ From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Masugu Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 12:44 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Anna Catherina GREVE Hi Chris; Don't know if it will help but in the late 1800's, there was a large migration of Holsteiners from Kreis Segeberg to northern Illinois in the general Chicago area (some of them subsequently moved on to Iowa and South Dakota). Many of their descendants, including my own family*, still live in the Chicago area. Among those families were a number of Greves, Graeves, Grewes, et al. Some associated surnames were: Jaacks/Jaaks, Timmermann/Timmerman, Poehls/Pohls, Kruse/Kruess/Krause, Boettger, Burmeister, Schuemann, Grömeyer/Graemayer/Kath. There are of course more, but that should give you enough to start *My own 4x g-grandmother was one Catherina Gräfe, b. 1807 Fehrenbötel, d. 24 Oct 1882, Wahlstedt. Her parents were reputedly named Tietje Grave and Magdalena Forster. Cheers, Masugu Woichi01@comcast.net Its overpopulation stupid! For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3553 - Release Date: 04/05/11
I am seeking information regarding my gg-grandparents and ggg-grandmother. The only information I have is from the 1910 Census for Trenton, New Jersey: Paul Pogletki - immigration date 1888 - spelling variation Pogletke Mary Pogletki - immigration date 1889 Catherine Priknski - immigration date 1890 - spelling variations: Prikanowski and Brikanowski Priknowski and Briknowski Thank you.
Hi Chris; Don't know if it will help but in the late 1800's, there was a large migration of Holsteiners from Kreis Segeberg to northern Illinois in the general Chicago area (some of them subsequently moved on to Iowa and South Dakota). Many of their descendants, including my own family*, still live in the Chicago area. Among those families were a number of Greves, Graeves, Grewes, et al. Some associated surnames were: Jaacks/Jaaks, Timmermann/Timmerman, Poehls/Pohls, Kruse/Kruess/Krause, Boettger, Burmeister, Schuemann, Grömeyer/Graemayer/Kath. There are of course more, but that should give you enough to start *My own 4x g-grandmother was one Catherina Gräfe, b. 1807 Fehrenbötel, d. 24 Oct 1882, Wahlstedt. Her parents were reputedly named Tietje Grave and Magdalena Forster. Cheers, Masugu Woichi01@comcast.net Its overpopulation stupid!
hello list I'm looking for GERD MEYER born 1881 Germany. Parents Bernhard Edzard Meyer and Christina Lakken Meyer. Spent some time in USA, Hecla, South Dakota, during late 1920 and early 1930. Married in S.D. and maybe had one daughter. Moved back to Germany where he remarried Elizabeth Pabst, lived and passed away. Looking for his living lineage in South Dakota ... Thank you C&C ____________________________________________________________ Groupon™ Official Site 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. Get 50-90% off your city's best! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d9c7945d6a955c07east04vuc
Hullo Bev Look forward to anything you have - I have no idea of the sons' names but I know they were based in New York City in 1866 I have found a Mary GREVE listed in US 1880 census as living in Hamilton,Ohio and from Hanover (which is the area my GREVE family lived) she was a widow and aged 85 (born 1795) - I am hoping she is mine Chris in Hahndorf South Australia _____ From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Moll1942@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 10:41 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Anna Catherina GREVE Chris: My GREVE families married into SCHMIDT families in the Hammelwarden/Elsfleth area of Germany; near to Bremerhaven and I think we may have a connection. I am out-of-town at the moment so do not have my genealogy with me. On Ancestry.com I have most of my GREVEs in my SMITH tree. Check it out, if you can. I will be in touch when I return home to California. Bev Colgin (_moll1942@aol.com_ (mailto:moll1942@aol.com) ) In a message dated 4/4/2011 9:28:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, anderstritt@iinet.com.au writes: Hullo Listers I am looking for information on Anna Catherina GREVE (parents Cord Friedrich and Mary nee TEDE) born somewhere near Bremerhaven in 1827 - she travelled to Adelaide, South Australia on board "President Schmidt" arriving in 1848 Her parents came later on the "Wandhram" in 1854. Her father Cord (Cort/Cordi) died in South Australia in 1857 - they also had sons who emigrated to USA - names not known Her mother travelled to USA - New York in 1866 - leaving Adelaide on the "Gosforth" in the same year to London, UK - then by sailing ship to New York with her grandson, Henry ANDERS Any help on this family would be greatly appreciated Regards Chris in Hahndorf South Australia For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3550 - Release Date: 04/04/11
Hullo Listers I am looking for information on Anna Catherina GREVE (parents Cord Friedrich and Mary nee TEDE) born somewhere near Bremerhaven in 1827 - she travelled to Adelaide, South Australia on board "President Schmidt" arriving in 1848 Her parents came later on the "Wandhram" in 1854. Her father Cord (Cort/Cordi) died in South Australia in 1857 - they also had sons who emigrated to USA - names not known Her mother travelled to USA - New York in 1866 - leaving Adelaide on the "Gosforth" in the same year to London, UK - then by sailing ship to New York with her grandson, Henry ANDERS Any help on this family would be greatly appreciated Regards Chris in Hahndorf South Australia
Chris: My GREVE families married into SCHMIDT families in the Hammelwarden/Elsfleth area of Germany; near to Bremerhaven and I think we may have a connection. I am out-of-town at the moment so do not have my genealogy with me. On Ancestry.com I have most of my GREVEs in my SMITH tree. Check it out, if you can. I will be in touch when I return home to California. Bev Colgin (_moll1942@aol.com_ (mailto:moll1942@aol.com) ) In a message dated 4/4/2011 9:28:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, anderstritt@iinet.com.au writes: Hullo Listers I am looking for information on Anna Catherina GREVE (parents Cord Friedrich and Mary nee TEDE) born somewhere near Bremerhaven in 1827 - she travelled to Adelaide, South Australia on board "President Schmidt" arriving in 1848 Her parents came later on the "Wandhram" in 1854. Her father Cord (Cort/Cordi) died in South Australia in 1857 - they also had sons who emigrated to USA - names not known Her mother travelled to USA - New York in 1866 - leaving Adelaide on the "Gosforth" in the same year to London, UK - then by sailing ship to New York with her grandson, Henry ANDERS Any help on this family would be greatly appreciated Regards Chris in Hahndorf South Australia For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Ann, what was Susan Schrodt's maiden name? Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Johnson" <regjohnson@nc.rr.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 4, 2011 3:05:07 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Schroth-several questions Hello Baerbel and Ursula; thank you so much for your courtesy to reply; in answer to your question, Ursula, I did find a ‘death notice’ in the Cincinnati ‘Volksfreund’ paper. It is in German, which I don’t read, so I will print it here: Starb gestern, ben 25 Januar, nach langerer Krantheit, zu Newport, Ky., Gottfried Schrodt, im Alter von 62 Jahren, 2 Monaten, Die Beerbigung Anbet statt ain Freitag, Die trauernden Hinteibliebenen. Someone very kindly translated this as :”Died yesterday, the 25th of January, after a long illness, at Newport, Ky: Gottfried Schrodt, in the age of 62 years, 2 months. The burial is to be held on Friday. Signed: The mourning survivors.” The date on this paper was Jan. 26, 1888. I have a copy of the paper from the History /dept., Public Library of Cincinnati. I now know the place of burial, and have a picture of the monument at the cemetery. and so from this information I conclude that he was born in 1826. There was great confusion about the year of his birth previously; several other years could be inferred from other documents. Another reference I used for information was the Cincinnati City Directories, 1885, 1895, 1899, which were all that were available at ! the time, as I was looking for information about his children. I have used every variant of the spelling I could think of, but so far I have not been able to find him. To recap, these are the facts I now have: birth, 1826 locality: Hesse-Darmstadt citizenship record abstract: Schroth, Gottfried age 33 country of origin: Hesse-Darmstadt depart port: Bremen entry port: New York arrive date: 07/14/1851 dec. date: 05/27/1854 marriage date: 27 May, 1854, Hamilton County, Ohio (same date as declaration) source: Ohio Marriages, 1800-1958 naturalization: 1 Nov. 1856, Meigs County, Ohio census: 1860, 1870, 1880 deed: 1860 death: 25 January, 1888 No other information is given on any of the documents I have about the locality of origin. I am also interested in finding out what he did and where he was between his arrival date in 1851 and the date of naturalization in Meigs County Ohio, in 1856. This, I don’t have the knowledge to find out. The changes in spelling of the surname are particularly irksome. Thank you both for your patience in helping me unravel this skein of threads. Ann in NC For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
There was a time when Eastern Europe was mostly under the control of Prussia, Russia & Austria-Hungary. I know that there were Germans that moved into enclaves in Austria-Hungary, as well as Germans who moved into the Russian Empire at the invitation of Catherine the Great. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliasgenes" To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: 04 April, 2011 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] "commonality of names" EWERT > I never heard about Russians controlling things - I just know that my > aunts were adamant that of course my GM was German because my GF would > NEVER have married a Pole. Meanwhile, I have some slight evidence that her > name might have been something like OBAROWSKY. That doesn't sound German > to me, but of course, I'm no expert.
Another thing to keep in mind about death certificates, when someone is asked questions while being under stress, it sometimes causes errors in memory. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliasgenes" To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: 04 April, 2011 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Schroth-several questions > That's a rampant problem with my immigrants, too - death certificates and > obits give different birth dates than marriage documents, for instance. I > guess knowing your birth date just wasn't as important to them or they > didn't have the actual documents to remind them. All in all, I go with the > dates given on the earliest records - marriage certificates or birth > certificates for their earliest children - on the theory that the memory > was fresher then. > > The generation that was born in the USA seemed to have no problem with > date consistency.
Hello Baerbel and Ursula; thank you so much for your courtesy to reply; in answer to your question, Ursula, I did find a ‘death notice’ in the Cincinnati ‘Volksfreund’ paper. It is in German, which I don’t read, so I will print it here: Starb gestern, ben 25 Januar, nach langerer Krantheit, zu Newport, Ky., Gottfried Schrodt, im Alter von 62 Jahren, 2 Monaten, Die Beerbigung Anbet statt ain Freitag, Die trauernden Hinteibliebenen. Someone very kindly translated this as :”Died yesterday, the 25th of January, after a long illness, at Newport, Ky: Gottfried Schrodt, in the age of 62 years, 2 months. The burial is to be held on Friday. Signed: The mourning survivors.” The date on this paper was Jan. 26, 1888. I have a copy of the paper from the History /dept., Public Library of Cincinnati. I now know the place of burial, and have a picture of the monument at the cemetery. and so from this information I conclude that he was born in 1826. There was great confusion about the year of his birth previously; several other years could be inferred from other documents. Another reference I used for information was the Cincinnati City Directories, 1885, 1895, 1899, which were all that were available at the time, as I was looking for information about his children. I have used every variant of the spelling I could think of, but so far I have not been able to find him. To recap, these are the facts I now have: birth, 1826 locality: Hesse-Darmstadt citizenship record abstract: Schroth, Gottfried age 33 country of origin: Hesse-Darmstadt depart port: Bremen entry port: New York arrive date: 07/14/1851 dec. date: 05/27/1854 marriage date: 27 May, 1854, Hamilton County, Ohio (same date as declaration) source: Ohio Marriages, 1800-1958 naturalization: 1 Nov. 1856, Meigs County, Ohio census: 1860, 1870, 1880 deed: 1860 death: 25 January, 1888 No other information is given on any of the documents I have about the locality of origin. I am also interested in finding out what he did and where he was between his arrival date in 1851 and the date of naturalization in Meigs County Ohio, in 1856. This, I don’t have the knowledge to find out. The changes in spelling of the surname are particularly irksome. Thank you both for your patience in helping me unravel this skein of threads. Ann in NC
Hello Ann, I'm having problems sending email, however, I rememberus discussing your problem a year ago. At that time you said you had bought a book, did you find out anything more on Gottfried? Have you checked the German newspapers on file in Cincinnati to see if could find his obit? Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time.
Hello Baerbel, This has been discussed in March 2010 after Ann had already checked with the archives. Gottfried Schroth is not listed in their card file. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 4, 2011 9:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] common surname The first place to check for an emigrant from Hessen-Darmstadt is the list of emigrants found in HADIS, the archive inventory search tool of the Hessian state archives. The list is titled "Auswanderer-Nachweise [emigrant documentation]. Here we find 25 Schroth entries with their towns of origin: NACHWEIS Schroth, Georg, Herkunft: Egelsbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1824-05 / Ziel: Amerika, Brasilien. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1824 NACHWEIS Schroth, Heinrich, Herkunft: Mittel-Gründau. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1825-02 / Ziel: Amerika, Brasilien, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1825 NACHWEIS Schroth, Henrich junior, Herkunft: Mittel Gründau. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1825 / Ziel: Amerika, Brasilien (?), Bauer. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Ernst Wagner; Archiv, S. 21 1825 NACHWEIS Schroth, Heinrich, Herkunft: Mittel-Gründau. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1831-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1831 NACHWEIS Werkmann, Philipp, Herkunft: Egelsbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1838-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: nur Witwe mit Familie des Schwiegersohnes Jacob Wilhelm Schroth. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1838 NACHWEIS Schroth, Peter, Herkunft: Westhofen. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1838-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 1 J., Eltern: Johann Schroth und Anna Maria geb. Roeder. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 3 Geschwistern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1838 NACHWEIS Schroth, Jacob Wilhelm, Herkunft: Egelsbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1838-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Ehepartner: NN. geb.Werkmann. - Bemerkungen: mit Familie und Schwiegermutter Wwe.Philipp Werkmann. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1838 NACHWEIS Schroth, Johann, Herkunft: Westhofen. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1838-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 35 J., Schlosser. - Ehepartner: Anna Maria geb. Roeder, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1838 NACHWEIS Schroth, Johann, Herkunft: Westhofen. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1838-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 8 J., Eltern: Johann Schroth und Anna Maria geb. Roeder. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 3 Geschwistern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1838 NACHWEIS Schroth, Katharina, Herkunft: Westhofen. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1838-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 9 J., Eltern: Johann Schroth und Anna Maria geb. Roeder. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 3 Brüdern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1838 NACHWEIS Schroth, Anna Maria geb. Roeder, Herkunft: Westhofen. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1838-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 31 J.. - Ehepartner: Johann Schroth, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1838 NACHWEIS Schroth, Conrad, Herkunft: Westhofen. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1838-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 5 1/2 J., Eltern: Johann Schroth und Anna Maria geb. Roeder. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 3 Geschwistern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1838 NACHWEIS Schroth, Philipp, Herkunft: Pfungstadt. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1845 / Ziel: Ostpreußen, Rothfließ bei Bischofsburg. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Ernst Wagner; Auszugsblatt 243 1845 NACHWEIS Schroth, Philipp, Herkunft: Groß-Zimmern. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1846-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: ledig, mit einem weiteren ledigen Philipp Schroth ausgewandert. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1846 NACHWEIS Schroth, Philipp, Herkunft: Groß-Zimmern. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1846-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: ledig, mit einem weiteren ledigen Philipp Schroth ausgewandert. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1846 NACHWEIS Schroth, Philipp Adam, Herkunft: Egelsbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1846-03 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1846 NACHWEIS Schroth, Conrad, Herkunft: Groß-Zimmern. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1846-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: mit Famile. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1846 NACHWEIS Schroth, Michael, Herkunft: Groß-Zimmern. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1846-04 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: mit Famile. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1846 NACHWEIS Schroth, Christian, Herkunft: Langen. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1851-07 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1851 NACHWEIS Schroth, Michael, Herkunft: Dietzenbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1852-08 / Ziel: Amerika, USA, 7 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller NACHWEIS Schroth, Daniel Wwe., Herkunft: Egelsbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1854-10 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Ehepartner: Daniel Schroth (+). - Bemerkungen: mit Familie. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1854 NACHWEIS Schroth, Nicolaus, Herkunft: Unter-Schönmattenwag. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1885 / Ziel: Amerika (Nord). - Alter/geb.: zwischen 17 und 24 Jahren. Quelle: G 15 Bergstraße Nr. 284 1885 NACHWEIS Schroth, Victoria, verehel. Bretsch, Herkunft: Egelsbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: vor 1897 / Ziel: USA, Mullet Creek, Jeff. Co., N.Y.. - Alter/geb.: + 1897, 87 Jahre. Quelle: HFV-Kartei 1897 NACHWEIS Bretsch, Victoria, Herkunft: Egelsbach. - Auswanderungsdatum: vor 1897 / Ziel: USA, Mullet Creek, Jeff. Co., NY. - Alter/geb.: + 1897, 87 Jahre, Eltern: (NN), Schroth. - Ehepartner: (NN), B.. Quelle: HFV - Kartei 1897 NACHWEIS Schroth, Eva Anna, Herkunft: Dieburg. - Auswanderungsdatum: vor 1905 / Ziel: Amerika. - Ehepartner: Johann Stockenreiter. Quelle: G 28 Groß-Umstadt, G Nr.2 1905 Each entry begins after the word "Nachweis" with the emigrant's name, town of origin, date of emigrationdestination, other information, such as spouse, children, birth dates, death date etc, and the source. The town of origin is listed after the word "Herkunft". Since less than 50% of the emigrants filed papers to emigrate legally, it is best to check all the towns mentioned in this list for your ancestor, if he/she isn't listed here. For instance, you see several emigrants each from Egelsbach, Gross-Zimmern, and Westhofen. So now you can order the microfilms of the respective parish registers to an LDS family history center in your area and check the records for your ancestral family. Good luck! Baerbel -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Johnson Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 5:22 AM To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com Subject: [G-P-L] common surname Could anyone help me with the surname Schroth? My g-grandfather’s Declaration of Intent states he was from Hesse-Darmstadt. This document is dated July 14,1851 as the arrival date out of the port of Bremen. I have examined the telephone directories for the distribution of the surname, which is quite large. I have no information about the area in Hesse-Darmstadt that he may have come from. Can anyone give me some pointers about: where to begin asking questions; how to find a lead about his town of origin? 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And I would go by the earlier records, such as marriage, because they probably provided it. A death record, tombstone information was provided by someone else, often a grown child who might not have remembered correctly. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2011, at 1:29 PM, juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> wrote: > That's a rampant problem with my immigrants, too - death certificates and obits give different birth dates than marriage documents, for instance. I guess knowing your birth date just wasn't as important to them or they didn't have the actual documents to remind them. All in all, I go with the dates given on the earliest records - marriage certificates or birth certificates for their earliest children - on the theory that the memory was fresher then. > > The generation that was born in the USA seemed to have no problem with date consistency. > > > --- On Mon, 4/4/11, Ann Johnson <regjohnson@nc.rr.com> wrote: > > ...There was great confusion about the year of his birth previously; several other years could be inferred from other documents... > > Ann > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
That's a rampant problem with my immigrants, too - death certificates and obits give different birth dates than marriage documents, for instance. I guess knowing your birth date just wasn't as important to them or they didn't have the actual documents to remind them. All in all, I go with the dates given on the earliest records - marriage certificates or birth certificates for their earliest children - on the theory that the memory was fresher then. The generation that was born in the USA seemed to have no problem with date consistency. --- On Mon, 4/4/11, Ann Johnson <regjohnson@nc.rr.com> wrote: ...There was great confusion about the year of his birth previously; several other years could be inferred from other documents... Ann