I think the "change" is merely a phonetic variation of the name "Jeske". The letters "I" and "J" are often used interchangeably before 1900. The concept of "proper spelling" is a modern-day development that came in vogue with the first comprehensive dictionaries in the second half of the 19th Century. Baerbel <They were finally found under the name of "Iske" not Jeske.................Jeske and the spelling is very common in Bessarabia. There are also other variants of the spelling. But I have never seen it spelled Iske. This didn't happen on Ellis Island, but in Nova Scotia. Was this done because of translation......or the recorder wrote what he thought they said. This was definitely not written by my grandparents, as they couldn't read or write English. Any comments? > Thanks Robert L Jeske. -----Original Message----- From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:40 pm Subject: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] Bubble From: New England Historic Genealogical Society's newsletter, "The Weekly Genealogist", Vol. 14, No. 22, Whole #533, June 1, 2011. Used with permission. Research Recommendations: Bursting a Bubble by Michael J. Leclerc I burst another bubble yesterday. In speaking with a television producer about a segment on genealogy, I mentioned the biggest myth in American history — that anyone ever had their name changed at Ellis Island. Despite the numerous families with this tradition passed down, there is not a single documented occurrence of this ever happening. She was quite surprised to hear this. I’m certain that a number of people reading this are even now thinking “That may be true, but in the case of MY family it really did happen!” I’m sorry to disappoint you, but such is not the case. And this makes complete sense. Think of your ancestor, most of them poor or working class. They have left the only home they have ever known for better opportunities in America. They did not make this decision lightly. In most cases they had no desire to return. Indeed, many of them were quite terrified of being forced back to their homeland. Imagine the fate of a Russian Jew trying to escape the pogroms at the turn of the century, making it to the shores of the new world only to be forced to return to Russia. If you were that immigrant, would you do anything that might jeopardize your ability to stay in America? Have you ever taken a cruise? Try getting off the ship using a different name than the one with which you boarded. I don’t think you would make it past the security gate, let alone off the ship and onto shore. You showed your papers when you got on board, and showed the same papers when you disembarked. The tradition in many families is that they arrived and nobody at Ellis Island spoke their language. This is hogwash. The staff of Ellis Island spoke languages from around the world. They processed up to 11,000 immigrants per day. Many of these staff were themselves immigrants or the children of immigrants who spoke their parents’ native tongue. Together with hundreds of interpreters hired to work with them, communication was not an issue. (Well, no worse than communicating with any other bureaucrat, I’m certain.) Some immigrants changed their name prior to arriving in the United States. A friend of mine’s great-grandfather was a Russian Jew, probably escaping the pogroms at the turn of the century. He did not come directly to America, but went first to England for a time. Between the time left Russia and the time he boarded the ship in England, bound for Ellis Island, he changed his name from Moishe Cohen to William Smith. The point is, he got on the ship as William Smith and left the ship as William Smith. The name change did not occur during passage. More common is that the immigrants changed their name once they had arrived in America. Many were trying to settle in and feel more “American.” Some may have been trying to escape the ethnic prejudice rampant in America. Others may just have tired of spelling their Eastern European names to Americans. Indeed, spelling is, I believe, the crux of the issue for many. Remember that at this time of massive immigration, literacy was not very prevalent. People were more concerned with putting food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads, than with how to properly spell their name or any other word. Standardized spelling of names is a twentieth-century concept that came with greater education of the public. This is why we find so many spelling variations in names. It wasn’t that people didn’t know how to spell their name, it was that there was no “proper” way to spell a name, and for the most part they didn’t care. After a time, the family’s name would change from the original and that would be that. It wasn’t a big issue. In my own family, the spelling of my surname varies among the descendants of my great-great-grandfather. Variations include Leclair, Le Clair, LeClair, Leclerc, LeClerc, and Le Clerc. Which one is the “correct” spelling, and who am I to tell another family member that their spelling is not the "correct" version? Despite all that has been written to dispel the myth (try Googling “myth of name changed at Ellis Island”), it continues to be handed down in some families. I feel bad for people who are more connected to their family myths than learning the truth. 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Oops! I should have said "looking at" instead of "looking for." Also, just because a name was mangled at the departure port doesn't mean the family used the name when they arrived at their destination. If they did, you probably would not have any trouble finding it. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bobbi" > Yes, the name still was not changed at the arriving location. EITHER the > person filling out the passenger list in the originating country, OR > someone > trying to decipher old writing "mangled" the name. The ports that they > arrived at just processed what was there. > > I've found my grandmother and her nieces names spelled a number of > different > ways in the indices, but when you go back to the orginals, you can see the > name if you know what you are looking for. > > Bobbi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jeske" > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 26 June, 2011 2:14 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] > Bubble > > >> Very interesting article, and I do somewhat agree with it, but not >> totally. >> For instance, I searched for my Grandparents passenger list for >> years......It was finally found, not by me, but by a volunteer with >> germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com. >> >> They were finally found under the name of "Iske" not >> Jeske.................Jeske and the spelling is very common in >> Bessarabia. >> There are also other variants of the spelling. But I have never seen it >> spelled Iske. >> >> This didn't happen on Ellis Island, but in Nova Scotia. >> >> Was this done because of translation......or the recorder wrote what he >> thought they said. >> This was definitely not written by my grandparents, as they couldn't read >> or write English. >> >> Any comments? >> >> Thanks Robert L Jeske. > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1513/3726 - Release Date: 06/25/11 >

Yes, the name still was not changed at the arriving location. EITHER the person filling out the passenger list in the originating country, OR someone trying to decipher old writing "mangled" the name. The ports that they arrived at just processed what was there. I've found my grandmother and her nieces names spelled a number of different ways in the indices, but when you go back to the orginals, you can see the name if you know what you are looking for. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Jeske" To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: 26 June, 2011 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] Bubble > Very interesting article, and I do somewhat agree with it, but not > totally. > For instance, I searched for my Grandparents passenger list for > years......It was finally found, not by me, but by a volunteer with > germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com. > > They were finally found under the name of "Iske" not > Jeske.................Jeske and the spelling is very common in Bessarabia. > There are also other variants of the spelling. But I have never seen it > spelled Iske. > > This didn't happen on Ellis Island, but in Nova Scotia. > > Was this done because of translation......or the recorder wrote what he > thought they said. > This was definitely not written by my grandparents, as they couldn't read > or write English. > > Any comments? > > Thanks Robert L Jeske.

Very interesting article, and I do somewhat agree with it, but not totally. For instance, I searched for my Grandparents passenger list for years......It was finally found, not by me, but by a volunteer with germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com. They were finally found under the name of "Iske" not Jeske.................Jeske and the spelling is very common in Bessarabia. There are also other variants of the spelling. But I have never seen it spelled Iske. This didn't happen on Ellis Island, but in Nova Scotia. Was this done because of translation......or the recorder wrote what he thought they said. This was definitely not written by my grandparents, as they couldn't read or write English. Any comments? Thanks Robert L Jeske. -----Original Message----- From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:40 pm Subject: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] Bubble From: New England Historic Genealogical Society's newsletter, "The Weekly Genealogist", Vol. 14, No. 22, Whole #533, June 1, 2011. Used with permission. Research Recommendations: Bursting a Bubble by Michael J. Leclerc I burst another bubble yesterday. In speaking with a television producer about a segment on genealogy, I mentioned the biggest myth in American history — that anyone ever had their name changed at Ellis Island. Despite the numerous families with this tradition passed down, there is not a single documented occurrence of this ever happening. She was quite surprised to hear this. I’m certain that a number of people reading this are even now thinking “That may be true, but in the case of MY family it really did happen!” I’m sorry to disappoint you, but such is not the case. And this makes complete sense. Think of your ancestor, most of them poor or working class. They have left the only home they have ever known for better opportunities in America. They did not make this decision lightly. In most cases they had no desire to return. Indeed, many of them were quite terrified of being forced back to their homeland. Imagine the fate of a Russian Jew trying to escape the pogroms at the turn of the century, making it to the shores of the new world only to be forced to return to Russia. If you were that immigrant, would you do anything that might jeopardize your ability to stay in America? Have you ever taken a cruise? Try getting off the ship using a different name than the one with which you boarded. I don’t think you would make it past the security gate, let alone off the ship and onto shore. You showed your papers when you got on board, and showed the same papers when you disembarked. The tradition in many families is that they arrived and nobody at Ellis Island spoke their language. This is hogwash. The staff of Ellis Island spoke languages from around the world. They processed up to 11,000 immigrants per day. Many of these staff were themselves immigrants or the children of immigrants who spoke their parents’ native tongue. Together with hundreds of interpreters hired to work with them, communication was not an issue. (Well, no worse than communicating with any other bureaucrat, I’m certain.) Some immigrants changed their name prior to arriving in the United States. A friend of mine’s great-grandfather was a Russian Jew, probably escaping the pogroms at the turn of the century. He did not come directly to America, but went first to England for a time. Between the time left Russia and the time he boarded the ship in England, bound for Ellis Island, he changed his name from Moishe Cohen to William Smith. The point is, he got on the ship as William Smith and left the ship as William Smith. The name change did not occur during passage. More common is that the immigrants changed their name once they had arrived in America. Many were trying to settle in and feel more “American.” Some may have been trying to escape the ethnic prejudice rampant in America. Others may just have tired of spelling their Eastern European names to Americans. Indeed, spelling is, I believe, the crux of the issue for many. Remember that at this time of massive immigration, literacy was not very prevalent. People were more concerned with putting food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads, than with how to properly spell their name or any other word. Standardized spelling of names is a twentieth-century concept that came with greater education of the public. This is why we find so many spelling variations in names. It wasn’t that people didn’t know how to spell their name, it was that there was no “proper” way to spell a name, and for the most part they didn’t care. After a time, the family’s name would change from the original and that would be that. It wasn’t a big issue. In my own family, the spelling of my surname varies among the descendants of my great-great-grandfather. Variations include Leclair, Le Clair, LeClair, Leclerc, LeClerc, and Le Clerc. Which one is the “correct” spelling, and who am I to tell another family member that their spelling is not the "correct" version? Despite all that has been written to dispel the myth (try Googling “myth of name changed at Ellis Island”), it continues to be handed down in some families. I feel bad for people who are more connected to their family myths than learning the truth. And the truth is usually there to be found if one examines the records closely. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

So true on name changes and hearing people insist it was changed for their family at Ellis Island. The lack of importance of spelling was not just immigrants, as I have records written by my ancestors in 1780 Maryland, and in one document he spelled his surname three different ways and his wife's given name two different. Of course, at that time they also didn't believe in much punctuation, which is another challenge. Susan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 25, 2011, at 10:34 PM, juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> wrote: > From: New England Historic Genealogical Society's newsletter, "The > Weekly Genealogist", Vol. 14, No. 22, Whole #533, June 1, 2011. Used > with permission. > > > Research Recommendations: Bursting a Bubble > > by Michael J. Leclerc > > > I > burst another bubble yesterday. In speaking with a television producer > about a segment on genealogy, I mentioned the biggest myth in American > history — that anyone ever had their name changed at Ellis Island. > Despite the numerous families with this tradition passed down, there is > not a single documented occurrence of this ever happening. She was quite > surprised to hear this. > > I’m certain that a number of people > reading this are even now thinking “That may be true, but in the case of > MY family it really did happen!” I’m sorry to disappoint you, but such > is not the case. And this makes complete sense. > Think of your ancestor, most of them poor or working class. They have > left the only home they have ever known for better opportunities in > America. They did not make this decision lightly. In most cases they had > no desire to return. Indeed, many of them were quite terrified of being > forced back to their homeland. Imagine the fate of a Russian Jew trying > to escape the pogroms at the turn of the century, making it to the > shores of the new world only to be forced to return to Russia. If you > were that immigrant, would you do anything that might jeopardize your > ability to stay in America? > > Have you ever taken a cruise? Try > getting off the ship using a different name than the one with which you > boarded. I don’t think you would make it past the security gate, let > alone off the ship and onto shore. You showed your papers when you got > on board, and showed the same papers when you disembarked. > > The > tradition in many families is that they arrived and > nobody at Ellis Island spoke their language. This is hogwash. The staff > of Ellis Island spoke languages from around the world. They processed > up to 11,000 immigrants per day. Many of these staff were themselves > immigrants or the children of immigrants who spoke their parents’ native > tongue. Together with hundreds of interpreters hired to work with them, > communication was not an issue. (Well, no worse than communicating with > any other bureaucrat, I’m certain.) > > Some immigrants changed > their name prior to arriving in the United States. A friend of mine’s > great-grandfather was a Russian Jew, probably escaping the pogroms at > the turn of the century. He did not come directly to America, but went > first to England for a time. Between the time left Russia and the time > he boarded the ship in England, bound for Ellis Island, he changed his > name from Moishe Cohen to William Smith. The point is, he got on the > ship as William Smith and left the ship as > William Smith. The name change did not occur during passage. > > More > common is that the immigrants changed their name once they had arrived > in America. Many were trying to settle in and feel more “American.” Some > may have been trying to escape the ethnic prejudice rampant in America. > Others may just have tired of spelling their Eastern European names to > Americans. > > Indeed, spelling is, I believe, the crux of the issue > for many. Remember that at this time of massive immigration, literacy > was not very prevalent. People were more concerned with putting food on > the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads, than > with how to properly spell their name or any other word. Standardized > spelling of names is a twentieth-century concept that came with greater > education of the public. This is why we find so many spelling variations > in names. It wasn’t that people didn’t know how to spell their name, it > was that there was no > “proper” way to spell a name, and for the most part they didn’t care. > > After > a time, the family’s name would change from the original and that would > be that. It wasn’t a big issue. In my own family, the spelling of my > surname varies among the descendants of my great-great-grandfather. > Variations include Leclair, Le Clair, LeClair, Leclerc, LeClerc, and Le > Clerc. Which one is the “correct” spelling, and who am I to tell another > family member that their spelling is not the "correct" version? > > Despite > all that has been written to dispel the myth (try Googling “myth of > name changed at Ellis Island”), it continues to be handed down in some > families. I feel bad for people who are more connected to their family > myths than learning the truth. And the truth is usually there to be > found if one examines the records closely. > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: New England Historic Genealogical Society's newsletter, "The Weekly Genealogist", Vol. 14, No. 22, Whole #533, June 1, 2011. Used with permission. Research Recommendations: Bursting a Bubble by Michael J. Leclerc I burst another bubble yesterday. In speaking with a television producer about a segment on genealogy, I mentioned the biggest myth in American history — that anyone ever had their name changed at Ellis Island. Despite the numerous families with this tradition passed down, there is not a single documented occurrence of this ever happening. She was quite surprised to hear this. I’m certain that a number of people reading this are even now thinking “That may be true, but in the case of MY family it really did happen!” I’m sorry to disappoint you, but such is not the case. And this makes complete sense. Think of your ancestor, most of them poor or working class. They have left the only home they have ever known for better opportunities in America. They did not make this decision lightly. In most cases they had no desire to return. Indeed, many of them were quite terrified of being forced back to their homeland. Imagine the fate of a Russian Jew trying to escape the pogroms at the turn of the century, making it to the shores of the new world only to be forced to return to Russia. If you were that immigrant, would you do anything that might jeopardize your ability to stay in America? Have you ever taken a cruise? Try getting off the ship using a different name than the one with which you boarded. I don’t think you would make it past the security gate, let alone off the ship and onto shore. You showed your papers when you got on board, and showed the same papers when you disembarked. The tradition in many families is that they arrived and nobody at Ellis Island spoke their language. This is hogwash. The staff of Ellis Island spoke languages from around the world. They processed up to 11,000 immigrants per day. Many of these staff were themselves immigrants or the children of immigrants who spoke their parents’ native tongue. Together with hundreds of interpreters hired to work with them, communication was not an issue. (Well, no worse than communicating with any other bureaucrat, I’m certain.) Some immigrants changed their name prior to arriving in the United States. A friend of mine’s great-grandfather was a Russian Jew, probably escaping the pogroms at the turn of the century. He did not come directly to America, but went first to England for a time. Between the time left Russia and the time he boarded the ship in England, bound for Ellis Island, he changed his name from Moishe Cohen to William Smith. The point is, he got on the ship as William Smith and left the ship as William Smith. The name change did not occur during passage. More common is that the immigrants changed their name once they had arrived in America. Many were trying to settle in and feel more “American.” Some may have been trying to escape the ethnic prejudice rampant in America. Others may just have tired of spelling their Eastern European names to Americans. Indeed, spelling is, I believe, the crux of the issue for many. Remember that at this time of massive immigration, literacy was not very prevalent. People were more concerned with putting food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads, than with how to properly spell their name or any other word. Standardized spelling of names is a twentieth-century concept that came with greater education of the public. This is why we find so many spelling variations in names. It wasn’t that people didn’t know how to spell their name, it was that there was no “proper” way to spell a name, and for the most part they didn’t care. After a time, the family’s name would change from the original and that would be that. It wasn’t a big issue. In my own family, the spelling of my surname varies among the descendants of my great-great-grandfather. Variations include Leclair, Le Clair, LeClair, Leclerc, LeClerc, and Le Clerc. Which one is the “correct” spelling, and who am I to tell another family member that their spelling is not the "correct" version? Despite all that has been written to dispel the myth (try Googling “myth of name changed at Ellis Island”), it continues to be handed down in some families. I feel bad for people who are more connected to their family myths than learning the truth. And the truth is usually there to be found if one examines the records closely.

What about the "Malware Anti Virus Software"? It has the same name as the viru. Phil Kuehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliasgenes" <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 12:30:03 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] What's Happening? Robert: If you think your computer has been turned into a zombie, sending out dangerous messages to all the addresses in your e-mail account, you should try to get rid of the malware. One site I know about is MajorGeeks (do a search for it as you should NOT click on links you find in e-mail). There are other helpful sites, too, but this is the one that helped my cousin with her zombie infection. >From MajorGeeks homepage, click on "Support Forum" at the top of the page, then go to the "Malware Removal" forum and read all the sticky notes. If they don't help, post into the "Malware Removal" forum and when your turn comes up, a trained volunteer will help you. Be patient because as you can imagine, this sort of thing is running rampant. Be careful where you go on the 'Net - NO opening strange e-mail, NO clicking on links in any e-mail, NO surfing into suspicious unknown sites, and tell the kids NEVER to click on FaceBook links. Keep your anti-virus and anti-malware programs updated and your computer scanned frequently. Many people use multiple AV/AM programs on their computer. Install a firewall program - I use ZoneAlarm (free, but it had a learning curve, at least for me). Change your passwords regularly. You're lucky your zombie messages were bounced, otherwise you'd now be banned from all your lists. If you don't feel up to it, you can have a computer repair shop clean your computer or a company like GeekSquad at Best Buy, or the like, for a fee. All the best luck! --- On Fri, 6/24/11, Robert Ridenour <rwridenour@shelbywb.coop> wrote: From: Robert Ridenour <rwridenour@shelbywb.coop> Subject: [G-P-L] What's Happening? To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 7:51 PM I belong to 18 different Rootsweb lists but have received NOTHING  from any of them since June 20. However, I have received about 400  messages about mail failures since June 22. It appears as though  someone got hold of my e-mail address and is using it to flood the  e- mail network. My apologies for any problems this has caused, but it is completely  out of my control. Regards, Robert W. Ridenour 4814 Loop Road Dorsey, IL  62021-1014 For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I apologize for not trimming the message I was replying to. I usually do, but sometimes slip. Julia --- On Sat, 6/25/11, juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> wrote: ...If you think your computer has been turned into a zombie... --- On Fri, 6/24/11, Robert Ridenour <rwridenour@shelbywb.coop> wrote: ...received about 400  messages about mail failures since June 22...

Robert: If you think your computer has been turned into a zombie, sending out dangerous messages to all the addresses in your e-mail account, you should try to get rid of the malware. One site I know about is MajorGeeks (do a search for it as you should NOT click on links you find in e-mail). There are other helpful sites, too, but this is the one that helped my cousin with her zombie infection. >From MajorGeeks homepage, click on "Support Forum" at the top of the page, then go to the "Malware Removal" forum and read all the sticky notes. If they don't help, post into the "Malware Removal" forum and when your turn comes up, a trained volunteer will help you. Be patient because as you can imagine, this sort of thing is running rampant. Be careful where you go on the 'Net - NO opening strange e-mail, NO clicking on links in any e-mail, NO surfing into suspicious unknown sites, and tell the kids NEVER to click on FaceBook links. Keep your anti-virus and anti-malware programs updated and your computer scanned frequently. Many people use multiple AV/AM programs on their computer. Install a firewall program - I use ZoneAlarm (free, but it had a learning curve, at least for me). Change your passwords regularly. You're lucky your zombie messages were bounced, otherwise you'd now be banned from all your lists. If you don't feel up to it, you can have a computer repair shop clean your computer or a company like GeekSquad at Best Buy, or the like, for a fee. All the best luck! --- On Fri, 6/24/11, Robert Ridenour <rwridenour@shelbywb.coop> wrote: From: Robert Ridenour <rwridenour@shelbywb.coop> Subject: [G-P-L] What's Happening? To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, June 24, 2011, 7:51 PM I belong to 18 different Rootsweb lists but have received NOTHING  from any of them since June 20. However, I have received about 400  messages about mail failures since June 22. It appears as though  someone got hold of my e-mail address and is using it to flood the  e- mail network. My apologies for any problems this has caused, but it is completely  out of my control. Regards, Robert W. Ridenour 4814 Loop Road Dorsey, IL  62021-1014 For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I haven't received any either Chris in Hahndorf South Australia -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ursula Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2011 6:45 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] What's Happening? Hello Robert, As far as I know there is anything wrong with our GPL List. I guess everybody is doing other things that don't involve genealogy. Best wishes, Ursula _________________________________________________________________ Memories are like threads of gold, they never tarnish or grow old ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Ridenour" <rwridenour@shelbywb.coop> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:51:06 PM Subject: [G-P-L] What's Happening? I belong to 18 different Rootsweb lists but have received NOTHING from any of them since June 20. However, I have received about 400 messages about mail failures since June 22. It appears as though someone got hold of my e-mail address and is using it to flood the e- mail network. My apologies for any problems this has caused, but it is completely out of my control. Regards, Robert W. Ridenour 4814 Loop Road Dorsey, IL 62021-1014 For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1388 / Virus Database: 1513/3722 - Release Date: 06/23/11

Hello Robert, As far as I know there is anything wrong with our GPL List. I guess everybody is doing other things that don't involve genealogy. Best wishes, Ursula _________________________________________________________________ Memories are like threads of gold, they never tarnish or grow old ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Ridenour" <rwridenour@shelbywb.coop> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 3:51:06 PM Subject: [G-P-L] What's Happening? I belong to 18 different Rootsweb lists but have received NOTHING from any of them since June 20. However, I have received about 400 messages about mail failures since June 22. It appears as though someone got hold of my e-mail address and is using it to flood the e- mail network. My apologies for any problems this has caused, but it is completely out of my control. Regards, Robert W. Ridenour 4814 Loop Road Dorsey, IL 62021-1014 For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I belong to 18 different Rootsweb lists but have received NOTHING from any of them since June 20. However, I have received about 400 messages about mail failures since June 22. It appears as though someone got hold of my e-mail address and is using it to flood the e- mail network. My apologies for any problems this has caused, but it is completely out of my control. Regards, Robert W. Ridenour 4814 Loop Road Dorsey, IL 62021-1014

Kathleen: Unfortunately, it seems that you have clicked on a bad link or surfed to a bad site. As a result, your computer has been made into a "zombie", sending dangerous messages to everyone in your address book, including this list. Go to the MajorGeeks site (not giving you the address because you SHOULD NEVER click on unknown addresses in an e-mail - it's easy to search for). Click "Support Forum" at the top of their homepage. Go to the "Malware Removal" forum and read the sticky notes. If those instructions don't help you, post into the "Malware Removal" forum and when your turn comes up, a trained volunteer will try to help you. Be patient. As you can imagine, this zombie problem is running rampant. This same "7" message has been sent to another list I belong to. There are other sites that also have trained volunteers to help with malware issues, but this is the site that helped my cousin when she was afflicted and thus the one I know about. If you don't want to handle it yourself, you can always go to a professional computer repair shop or Geek Squad at Best Buy or the like. Be careful where you click from now on, use anti-virus and anti-malware software, and DON'T let the kids click on any links in FaceBook! The best of luck!

Robert, I trust you're for sure aware that there are quite a number of public family trees on Ancestry which contain this couple: Johann Jacob Brox, born on May 18, 1826 in Dilsberg, Rhein-Neckar-Kreis, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany (Parents: Johann Christoph Brox and Katharina Barbara Zapf) and Catherine/Katharina Ziegler, born on June 10, 1826 in Epfenbach, Rhein-Neckar-Kreis, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany as well as their descendants, right? The family name "Brox" is still present in Dilsberg - in case you may also be looking for relatives/cousins in Germany. The database "Auswanderung aus Sued-West Deutschland" (Emigration from south-west Germany) contains the following entries: Johann Philipp Brox Place of origin: Dilsberg Occupation: soldier Note: son of Christoph Brox Year of emigration: 1855 Destination: North America Christoph Brox Place of origin: Dilsberg Note: emigrated together with his family Year of emigration: 1855 Destination: North America Best regards, Vera Nagel, Germany Researcher -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert Brenner Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Juni 2011 19:32 To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] BROX - ZIEGLER Lineage REPLY: Thanks for the quick response. I'm sharing your posts with my Brox relatives and friends over in Canada. Thanks to Elizabeth and Ursula, we're getting close. >From my copy of the BROX family records: Johann Jakob Brox was born May 18, 1826/27 in Dilsberg, Germany (Bavaria). Katherina Ziegler was born June 10, 1826 (birthplace unknown). My records say they married September 19, 1849 in Buffalo, NY. This couple settled in Elmira, Ontario (near Kitchener). They were Mennonites. Katherina Ziegler died January 13, 1897 in Elmira. Johann Jakob died May 16, 1900 in Elmira. I have two vintage photos of them. Both are labeled "Johann Jakob and Katharina (Ziegler) Brox." I appreciate all you can do to add to this. Robert Brenner (raised on Trumble Road, Columbus Twp, St. Clair, Michigan)

REPLY: Thanks for the quick response. I'm sharing your posts with my Brox relatives and friends over in Canada. Thanks to Elizabeth and Ursula, we're getting close. >From my copy of the BROX family records: Johann Jakob Brox was born May 18, 1826/27 in Dilsberg, Germany (Bavaria). Katherina Ziegler was born June 10, 1826 (birthplace unknown). My records say they married September 19, 1849 in Buffalo, NY. This couple settled in Elmira, Ontario (near Kitchener). They were Mennonites. Katherina Ziegler died January 13, 1897 in Elmira. Johann Jakob died May 16, 1900 in Elmira. I have two vintage photos of them. Both are labeled "Johann Jakob and Katharina (Ziegler) Brox." I appreciate all you can do to add to this. Robert Brenner (raised on Trumble Road, Columbus Twp, St. Clair, Michigan) ------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 12:01 AM Today's Topics: 1. Seeking info on BROX and ZIEGLER (Robert Brenner) 2. Re: Seeking info on BROX and ZIEGLER (Elizabeth Sarniguet) 3. Re: Seeking info on BROX and ZIEGLER (Ursula) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 05:00:32 -0800 From: "Robert Brenner" <brenner@brennerbooks.com> Subject: [G-P-L] Seeking info on BROX and ZIEGLER To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Greetings list friends, Do any of you have passenger records for ships arriving in Baltimore before September 1849. My ancestors Jakob BROX, his brother Philip BROX and Jakob?s fianc? Katharina ZIEGLER sailed from Germany to America in 1849. Jakob and Katharina were married in Buffalo, New York in September 1849. Then they migrated north into Canada and settled in just north of Berlin, Ontario (later called Kitchener). A relative checked with the LDS Church in Kitchener, Ontario but could not find any information on their immigration to the U.S. and then Canada. Can you help? Robert Brenner ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 11:40:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Elizabeth Sarniguet <elizabethsarniguet@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Seeking info on BROX and ZIEGLER To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com My great aunt was married to Mathias Ziegler.? Birth place Alsace Loraine, France/ Germany.? They lived in Dayton, Ohio.? His father was Ferdinand Ziegler and mother was Marian Meier.?? My Aunt maiden name was Anna Maria Probst.? He died September 13, 1883.?? They had one child Winnie.??She never married.? Passenger information I have has?him arriving November 22, 1866.? There are many other Zieglers who lived in Dayton, Ohio. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 19:53:28 +0000 (UTC) From: Ursula <ubatrans@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Seeking info on BROX and ZIEGLER To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Hello Robert, Do you have any birth dates for the immigrants? Also, do you know from what German state they came? While I find several references of Jacob Brox in Berlin/Kitchener, I have not found him or his brother Philip on any passenger list. I found the passenger list of a Johan [25], Margaret [23], and Phillip [72], who immigrated in 1857! I have found the passenger list for a Catherina ZIEGLER, 19, who immigrated on the ship BALTIMORE arriving in New York on 21 September 1849. Will send you the image of the passenger list if you believe it's her. She came with another person named Ziegler, possibly a sister or cousin. So if, as you said, they were married in Buffalo sometime after the 21st of September 1849, this would tell me that they knew one another before they immigrated, thus, they were probably from the same place / town in Germany. BTW I live in Columbus Twp, St Clair. Ursula Adamson Researcher Richmond Area Historical Society _________________________________________________________________ Memories are like threads of gold, they never tarnish or grow old *******************************************************

Hello Robert, Do you have any birth dates for the immigrants? Also, do you know from what German state they came? While I find several references of Jacob Brox in Berlin/Kitchener, I have not found him or his brother Philip on any passenger list. I found the passenger list of a Johan [25], Margaret [23], and Phillip [72], who immigrated in 1857! I have found the passenger list for a Catherina ZIEGLER, 19, who immigrated on the ship BALTIMORE arriving in New York on 21 September 1849. Will send you the image of the passenger list if you believe it's her. She came with another person named Ziegler, possibly a sister or cousin. So if, as you said, they were married in Buffalo sometime after the 21st of September 1849, this would tell me that they knew one another before they immigrated, thus, they were probably from the same place / town in Germany. BTW I live in Columbus Twp, St Clair. Ursula Adamson Researcher Richmond Area Historical Society _________________________________________________________________ Memories are like threads of gold, they never tarnish or grow old ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Brenner" <brenner@brennerbooks.com> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 9:00:32 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Seeking info on BROX and ZIEGLER Greetings list friends, Do any of you have passenger records for ships arriving in Baltimore before September 1849. My ancestors Jakob BROX, his brother Philip BROX and Jakob’s fiancé Katharina ZIEGLER sailed from Germany to America in 1849. Jakob and Katharina were married in Buffalo, New York in September 1849. Then they migrated north into Canada and settled in just north of Berlin, Ontario (later called Kitchener). A relative checked with the LDS Church in Kitchener, Ontario but could not find any information on their immigration to the U.S. and then Canada. Can you help? Robert Brenner (from Saint Clair, Michigan) For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great aunt was married to Mathias Ziegler.  Birth place Alsace Loraine, France/ Germany.  They lived in Dayton, Ohio.  His father was Ferdinand Ziegler and mother was Marian Meier.   My Aunt maiden name was Anna Maria Probst.  He died September 13, 1883.   They had one child Winnie.  She never married.  Passenger information I have has him arriving November 22, 1866.  There are many other Zieglers who lived in Dayton, Ohio. ________________________________ From: Robert Brenner <brenner@brennerbooks.com> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 9:00:32 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Seeking info on BROX and ZIEGLER Greetings list friends, Do any of you have passenger records for ships arriving in Baltimore before September 1849. My ancestors Jakob BROX,  his brother Philip BROX and Jakob’s fiancé Katharina ZIEGLER sailed from Germany to America in 1849. Jakob and Katharina were married in Buffalo, New York in September 1849. Then they migrated north into Canada and settled in just north of Berlin, Ontario (later called Kitchener). A relative checked with the LDS Church in Kitchener, Ontario but could not find any information on their immigration to the U.S. and then Canada. Can you help? Robert Brenner (from Saint Clair, Michigan) For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings list friends, Do any of you have passenger records for ships arriving in Baltimore before September 1849. My ancestors Jakob BROX, his brother Philip BROX and Jakob’s fiancé Katharina ZIEGLER sailed from Germany to America in 1849. Jakob and Katharina were married in Buffalo, New York in September 1849. Then they migrated north into Canada and settled in just north of Berlin, Ontario (later called Kitchener). A relative checked with the LDS Church in Kitchener, Ontario but could not find any information on their immigration to the U.S. and then Canada. Can you help? Robert Brenner (from Saint Clair, Michigan)

Hello Jerrald, PL is short for passenger list. Ursula ____________________________________________________ There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerrald Lloyd" <jlloyd1@frontiernet.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 9:54:05 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] VOSS / STENZEL Ursula what is the PL -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ursula" <ubatrans@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:38 AM To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] VOSS / STENZEL > Hello Jerrald, > > You wrote that you wanted to find out information on Hermann VOSS, b. 1848 > in Bergen, Pommerania. > Did Hermann and his wife Mane also immigrate? and if so, WHEN, and where > did they settle? Iowa as well? > > In trying to find the passenger ship list for their daughter, Auguste, and > her half-brother Emil STENZEL and wife Alwine, I found out that they did > not come on the same ship as you seemed to think. > > According to the 1900 census of Grant, Hardin Co., Iowa, Emil J. STENZIL > [40], wife 'Vina' and daughter Ida, where all born in Germany, while the > rest of the children were born in Iowa. The year of immigration for Emil > and Vina was listed as 1888. > > Well, I searched and searched but while I found Emil Stenzel to have > arrived on 28 April 1888 on the ship Wieland, there was nobody else > accompanying him. > > Also, I didn't find any Auguste VOSS or Alwina Stenzel that matched the > info you hand provided. > I was almost ready to give up when I thought of searching under STENSEL, > and this is where I found Alwina, Auguste, and 2-year old Ida, that were > all listed under Stensel. > I have forwarded the PL from Ancestry to your inbox. > > Now tell me again whether you are looking for the PL of Hermann Voss or > are you looking for information about him in Pommerania. > If it's the latter, I won't be able to help you as I don't have access to > Pommeranian church or civil records. > > Best wishes, > > Ursula > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerrald Lloyd" <jlloyd1@frontiernet.net> > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 3:40:57 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] Fw: Voss > > > > > > > I trying to find information on Herman Voss. He was born 1848 in Bergen > Pommen, Germany. He married Mane (Mueller) Miller. Mane Miller was married > to a Stenzel before. They had one child Augusta Emelie Voss, born 12 Oct > 1869 in Bergen Pommen,. Augusta Voss to USA in 1888 with her half brother > Emil J. Stenzel and his wife Alvina Mueller. They lived in Hubbard, Iowa. > Jerrald Lloyd > Any information on Herman would be appeciate. > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ursula what is the PL -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ursula" <ubatrans@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 8:38 AM To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] VOSS / STENZEL > Hello Jerrald, > > You wrote that you wanted to find out information on Hermann VOSS, b. 1848 > in Bergen, Pommerania. > Did Hermann and his wife Mane also immigrate? and if so, WHEN, and where > did they settle? Iowa as well? > > In trying to find the passenger ship list for their daughter, Auguste, and > her half-brother Emil STENZEL and wife Alwine, I found out that they did > not come on the same ship as you seemed to think. > > According to the 1900 census of Grant, Hardin Co., Iowa, Emil J. STENZIL > [40], wife 'Vina' and daughter Ida, where all born in Germany, while the > rest of the children were born in Iowa. The year of immigration for Emil > and Vina was listed as 1888. > > Well, I searched and searched but while I found Emil Stenzel to have > arrived on 28 April 1888 on the ship Wieland, there was nobody else > accompanying him. > > Also, I didn't find any Auguste VOSS or Alwina Stenzel that matched the > info you hand provided. > I was almost ready to give up when I thought of searching under STENSEL, > and this is where I found Alwina, Auguste, and 2-year old Ida, that were > all listed under Stensel. > I have forwarded the PL from Ancestry to your inbox. > > Now tell me again whether you are looking for the PL of Hermann Voss or > are you looking for information about him in Pommerania. > If it's the latter, I won't be able to help you as I don't have access to > Pommeranian church or civil records. > > Best wishes, > > Ursula > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > There will come a time, when you'll have no more time. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerrald Lloyd" <jlloyd1@frontiernet.net> > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2011 3:40:57 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] Fw: Voss > > > > > > > I trying to find information on Herman Voss. He was born 1848 in Bergen > Pommen, Germany. He married Mane (Mueller) Miller. Mane Miller was married > to a Stenzel before. They had one child Augusta Emelie Voss, born 12 Oct > 1869 in Bergen Pommen,. Augusta Voss to USA in 1888 with her half brother > Emil J. Stenzel and his wife Alvina Mueller. They lived in Hubbard, Iowa. > Jerrald Lloyd > Any information on Herman would be appeciate. > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message