Hi Ursula, I hope you do not mind me answering. I thought I would save Baerbel the trouble. Templin: <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Templin&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Templin&prePARTOF=> Klaushagen: <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Klaushagen&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Klaushagen&prePARTOF=> Hardenbeck: <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Hardenbeck&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Hardenbeck&prePARTOF=> Thomsdorf: <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=localityhitlist&columns=*%2C0%2C0&PLACE=Thomsdorf&PARTOF=&prePLACE=Thomsdorf&prePARTOF=> These were found by going to the card catalog and then looking under place. Bobbi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula" To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: 04 August, 2011 12:51 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Question to Baerbel at familysearch > Hello Baerbel, > > At one time I came across the actual church records for one of the > towns/villages in the Uckermark/Brandenburg on > the familysearch site. > I seem to recall that these were records from either Templin, Klaushagen, > Hardenbeck, or Thomsdorf. > What do I need to enter in order to access these records? > > I'm searching for the correct name of the birth parents of Carl Friedrich > Wilhelm KOEHN [b. ca. 1820], son of Christian > KOEHN and Dorothea nee "Ambellen" [?] according to US death certificate. > CFW Koehn emigrated from Hardenbeck with wife Wilhelmine nee Mueller and 5 > of their children, > including his m-i-l Marie Mueller nee Suhr on 24 Aug 1861. The family > resided in Michigan all their lives. > > Any help in gaining access to some of these church records would be much > appreciated. > > Many thanks in advance! > > Ursula from Michigan

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Franz Strube Name: Franz Strube Arrival Date: 27 Nov 1927 Birth Year: abt 1899 Birth Location: Germany Birth Location Other: essen Age: 28 Gender: Male Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: German Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Dresden Search Ship Database: Search the Dresden in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Hello, I am looking for the passenger list for the Strube family, which is not easy. What I know is that Franz Strube and Marta Marie Strube (previously Marta Marie Otto) migrated with their children. The one I know about is Otto Strube (born in may of 1914) to Brazil, between 1923 and 1926, as far as I know. They were all born in Neundorf (today a district of Stassfurt, Saxony-Anhalt, Kreis Bernburg). So it would be interesting to have any idea of which ship they went with, and when. Would be really helpful. -- [] dr. Alexandre Strube surak@ubuntu.com

Please pardon my interuption.  I have found families in Spring wells MI also & have thei r grave marker photos. 1 was Wolgast from Mecklenburg but in this cemetery I found their son-inlaw & families of August & Dora Piper. Also Carl Fischer family fromm Saschen. Spring Wells is not a safe place to be at any time these days. Phil Kuehn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula" <ubatrans@comcast.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:05:54 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Agnes Tobenski Larson Havens (1879-1966) - from Berlin to        MI/WI? Hello Lars, The marriage certificate I have for Agnes and Bernhard was issued in Grand Haven, Michigan, located at the extreme west side of the state. You gave Glen Haven as the place of marriage. Is this from a different certificate? I find it strange that both gave Milwaukee as their residence. Why did they not marry in Milwaukee? You wrote you couldn't find Agnes on the 1900 census. I haven't found her either, however, since she stated in one of the censuses that she was first married at age 16, you would need to know the surname of her first husband. You wrote that prior to her marriage to Bernhard she had a son, Leo Martin. Is 'Martin' his surname or was this another first name? I found an Anthony Tabinskie in Springwell Township, Wayne Co., Michigan. I believe he stated that he immigrated in the 1870s. Although I have not located him or Agnes on a passenger ship list. I wouldn't worry too much about Agnes' change in her parents country of origin from Germany to Poland as she obviously updated her knowledge according to the political changes that had taken place over the years. As to why she named Berlin as her place of birth is anyones guess, perhaps she was born in a small town in Brandenburg that nobody in the US would know anyway. Ursula _________________________________________________________________ Memories are like threads of gold, they never tarnish or grow old ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:37:24 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Agnes Tobenski Larson Havens (1879-1966) - from Berlin to        MI/WI? Dear Listers, I have received some rather conflicting and confusing information on the background of this lady: Agnes Tobenski, born about 1879, died at Brookfield in Waukesha Co., WI June 27, 1966. She married 1st at Glen Haven, MI on Aug. 15, 1903 to Bernhard S. Larsen of Norwegian background, and the marriage licence shows: For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Lars, The marriage certificate I have for Agnes and Bernhard was issued in Grand Haven, Michigan, located at the extreme west side of the state. You gave Glen Haven as the place of marriage. Is this from a different certificate? I find it strange that both gave Milwaukee as their residence. Why did they not marry in Milwaukee? You wrote you couldn't find Agnes on the 1900 census. I haven't found her either, however, since she stated in one of the censuses that she was first married at age 16, you would need to know the surname of her first husband. You wrote that prior to her marriage to Bernhard she had a son, Leo Martin. Is 'Martin' his surname or was this another first name? I found an Anthony Tabinskie in Springwell Township, Wayne Co., Michigan. I believe he stated that he immigrated in the 1870s. Although I have not located him or Agnes on a passenger ship list. I wouldn't worry too much about Agnes' change in her parents country of origin from Germany to Poland as she obviously updated her knowledge according to the political changes that had taken place over the years. As to why she named Berlin as her place of birth is anyones guess, perhaps she was born in a small town in Brandenburg that nobody in the US would know anyway. Ursula _________________________________________________________________ Memories are like threads of gold, they never tarnish or grow old ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lars E. Oyane" <lars.e.oyane@sdsl.no> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 7:37:24 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Agnes Tobenski Larson Havens (1879-1966) - from Berlin to MI/WI? Dear Listers, I have received some rather conflicting and confusing information on the background of this lady: Agnes Tobenski, born about 1879, died at Brookfield in Waukesha Co., WI June 27, 1966. She married 1st at Glen Haven, MI on Aug. 15, 1903 to Bernhard S. Larsen of Norwegian background, and the marriage licence shows:

Dear Listers, I have received some rather conflicting and confusing information on the background of this lady: Agnes Tobenski, born about 1879, died at Brookfield in Waukesha Co., WI June 27, 1966. She married 1st at Glen Haven, MI on Aug. 15, 1903 to Bernhard S. Larsen of Norwegian background, and the marriage licence shows: Bride: E. Agnes Tobenski Father: Anton Tobenski Birthplace: Berlin, Germany Age: 24 Before she married, Agnes had a son Leo Martin (Larson), born in WI Nov. 10, 1898 who was adopted by Bernhard Larsen. I don't find Agnes or her son in 1900 In 1905 (http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=1055&iid=CSUSAWI1905_35-0713&fn=Agnes&ln=Larson&st=r&ssrc=&pid=903729) she is 25 years old, born in WI by WI parents. In 1910 (http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7884&iid=4454978_00698&fn=Agnes&ln=Larsen&st=r&ssrc=&pid=173755364) she is 30 years old, born in WI by German parents. In 1920 (http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4389749_00035&fn=Agnes&ln=Larson&st=r&ssrc=&pid=94149414) she is widowed, 39 years old, born in WI by German parents. In 1930 (http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6224&iid=WIT626_2599-0602&fn=Agnes+F&ln=Havens&st=r&ssrc=&pid=58418674) remarried to Havens, 48 years old, born in WI by POLISH parents. There are strong suggestions Agnes was indeed born in WI, but she shows up in no census records, and neither do I find any Anton Tobenski! So, the question is: Does Agnes (and her father) show up in PASSENGER records coming from Germany? Thank you very much in advance for any suggestions you can make! Very sincerely yours, Lars E. Oyane Geilo, Norway/Augsburg, Bavaria

Hallo Leroy, Since there are several localities named Sprendlingen in Hessen, I checked the HADIS database for Stoppelbein emigrants and found seven of them, all from Sprendlingen near Woellstein. See http://www.hadis.hessen.de/scripts/HADIS.DLL/home?SID=652C-4890E7C-BD237&PID=89A2 NACHWEIS Joost, Elisabet, geb. Stoppelbein, Herkunft: Sprendlingen/Wöllstein. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1834-02 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 45 J.. - Ehepartner: Joost, Philipp, Ackerer, 46 J., 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Ehemann und 4 Kindern: Friedrich, Katharina, Maria Elisabet, Susanna Margarete. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1834 NACHWEIS Joost, Friedrich, Herkunft: Sprendlingen/Wöllstein. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1834-02 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 20 J., Eltern: Joost, Philipp, Ackerer, 46 J. u. Joost, Elisabet geb. Stoppelbein, 45 J.. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 3 Brüdern. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1834 NACHWEIS Joost, Katharina, Herkunft: Sprendlingen/Wöllstein. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1834-02 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 7 Jahre, Eltern: Joost, Philipp, Ackerer, 46 J. u. Joost, Elisabet geb. Stoppelbein, 45 J.. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 3 Geschwistern: Susanna Margarete 2, Maria Elisabet 9, Friedrich 20. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1834 NACHWEIS Joost, Maria Elisabet, Herkunft: Sprendlingen/Wöllstein. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1834-02 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 9 Jahre, Eltern: Joost, Philipp, Ackerer, 46 J. u. Joost, Elisabet geb. Stoppelbein, 45 J.. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 3 Geschwistern: Susanna Margarete 2, Katharina 7, Friedrich 20. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1834 NACHWEIS Joost, Philipp, Herkunft: Sprendlingen/Wöllstein. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1834-02 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 46 Jahre, Ackerer. - Ehepartner: Elisabet geb. Stoppelbein, 45 Jahre, 4 Kind(er). - Bemerkungen: mit Ehefrau und 4 Kindern: Friedrich 20, Katharina 7, Elisabet 9, Susanna Margarete 2 Jahre. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1834 NACHWEIS Joost, Susanna Margarete, Herkunft: Sprendlingen/Wöllstein. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1834-02 / Ziel: Amerika, USA. - Alter/geb.: 2 Jahre, Eltern: Joost, Philipp, Ackerer, 46 J. u. Joost, Elisabet geb. Stoppelbein, 45 J.. - Bemerkungen: mit Eltern und 3 Geschwistern: Maria Elisabet 9, Katharina 7, Friedrich 20. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1834 NACHWEIS Stoppelbein, Elisabet, Herkunft: Sprendlingen. - Auswanderungsdatum: 1834 / Ziel: unbekannt. - Bemerkungen: mit Philipp Jost. Quelle: Auswandererkartei Walter Möller 1834 The records for this town have been microfilmed and can be ordered to an LDS family history center in your area, where you can search the films for your ancestors. Both Lutheran and Catholic records have been filmed. Topic Details Topic Germany, Hessen, Sprendlingen (Kr. Alzey) - Church records Title search results Select a Family History Center to filter the results: [ Family History Library (4) ] Kirchenbuch, 1581-1897 Evangelische Kirche Sprendlingen (Kr. Alzey) Kirchenbuch, 1672-1798 Evangelische Kirche Sprendlingen (Kr. Alzey) Kirchenbuch, 1692-1934 Katholische Kirche Sprendlingen (Kr. Alzey) Kirchenbuchduplikat, 1819-1875 Evangelische Kirche Sprendlingen (Kr. Alzey) Hopefully this helps a little. Good luck! Baerbel <If your ancestor was indeed born in Sprendlingen, Germany it would have been under the name of Lorenz Eckhard STOPPELBEIN, any of the other 20 or so variant [mis]spellings of the name are derived from US sources. Evidently, there was more than one Lorenz Eckhard Stoppelbein, one born in 1800 [per your info] and one born in Charleston in 1826, who died 19 Nov 1883 at age 57/06/20.> NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

Hello Leroy, If your ancestor was indeed born in Sprendlingen, Germany it would have been under the name of Lorenz Eckhard STOPPELBEIN, any of the other 20 or so variant [mis]spellings of the name are derived from US sources. Evidently, there was more than one Lorenz Eckhard Stoppelbein, one born in 1800 [per your info] and one born in Charleston in 1826, who died 19 Nov 1883 at age 57/06/20. You may have misinterpreted the "date of admission" on the naturalization paper as the "date of arrival". I believe that 13 December 1826 is the date of his naturalization and admission as a US citizen. Ursula _________________________________________________________________ Memories are like threads of gold, they never tarnish or grow old ----- Original Message ----- From: "LEROY HARPER JR" <l192hal93@msn.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:53:12 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Lorenz Echord Stoppelbean I have some conflicting information on Lorenz Stoppelbean that I am trying to resolve. According to his Naturalization papers he arrived in Charleston, South Carolina on 13 December 1823 at the age of 23. However, records at St John's Lutheran Church in Charleston showed that he married Mary Elizabeth Clarke in May 1923. I have not been able to find any record of the ship that he sailed to the Port of Charleston on. Would there be any to find out when and what ship he sailed on. He could have sailed either as a passenger or as crew. The ship probably sailed from France. According to local Charleston records, Lorenz was born on 18 April 1800 in the town of Sprendlingen, Hessen, Germany. He was living in Hesse Darmstadt Germany when he emigrated to Charleston. Any help would be appreciated. Leroy H. Harper For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have some conflicting information on Lorenz Stoppelbean that I am trying to resolve. According to his Naturalization papers he arrived in Charleston, South Carolina on 13 December 1823 at the age of 23. However, records at St John's Lutheran Church in Charleston showed that he married Mary Elizabeth Clarke in May 1923. I have not been able to find any record of the ship that he sailed to the Port of Charleston on. Would there be any to find out when and what ship he sailed on. He could have sailed either as a passenger or as crew. The ship probably sailed from France. According to local Charleston records, Lorenz was born on 18 April 1800 in the town of Sprendlingen, Hessen, Germany. He was living in Hesse Darmstadt Germany when he emigrated to Charleston. Any help would be appreciated. Leroy H. Harper

Can you all take this discussion to private emails? It is bad enough if originated due to hi-jacked emails but now this is getting to be too much as well. I hope the Admin steps in & stops all of this NON-Genealogy stuff! Thanks Diana On 28 June 2011 23:29, juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> wrote: > OK, now I understand. > > I have a program called "Malwarebytes" (free, too!) that also works well. > And I use the free version of "Panda Cloud Antivirus" because 1.) I have an > adorable cat by the name of Panda, 2.) I love the cute desktop icon, 3.) and > since it's cloud-based, it takes up hardly any room on my hard drive and > it's ALWAYS up to date. > > So far, so good! > > [I tried sending my reply three times over three days, but it kept getting > bounced. So frustrating!] > > > --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Phil Kuehn <pkuehn38@comcast.net> wrote: > > ...software =anti virus program that is called "Malware"... > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is a software =anti virus program that is called "Malware". I use it & its been good for me. Better than what I have from my internet supplier. I thought a difference should be acknowleged between the virus malware & the Anti Virus software  MALWARE . being they have the same name. Does that make more sense than my 1st message? Sorry to interfere. Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: "juliasgenes" <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:33:07 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] What's happening Hello, Phil - I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. Would you rephrase your question? Thanks, J --- On Sat, 6/25/11, Phil Kuehn <pkuehn38@comcast.net> wrote: What about the "Malware Anti Virus Software"? It has the same name as the viru. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

OK, now I understand. I have a program called  "Malwarebytes" (free, too!) that also works well. And I use the free version of "Panda Cloud Antivirus" because 1.) I have an adorable cat by the name of Panda, 2.) I love the cute desktop icon, 3.) and since it's cloud-based, it takes up hardly any room on my hard drive and it's ALWAYS up to date. So far, so good! [I tried sending my reply three times over three days, but it kept getting bounced. So frustrating!] --- On Tue, 6/28/11, Phil Kuehn <pkuehn38@comcast.net> wrote: ...software =anti virus program that is called "Malware"...

Hello, Phil - I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. Would you rephrase your question? Thanks, J --- On Sat, 6/25/11, Phil Kuehn <pkuehn38@comcast.net> wrote: What about the "Malware Anti Virus Software"? It has the same name as the viru.

Paul: Please do not send this question to the entire list. It is more appropriately sent to the list administrator if you think it is coming from here. There may be a virus or malware that would get to one of us. Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BRUGGENSCHMIDT" <paul5510@bellsouth.net> To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:47 PM Subject: [G-P-L] UNWANTED NOTICES > germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com > germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com > > > > WHY AM I RECEVING THES UNWANTED NOTICES 2 OR 3 TIMES A DAY???? > > > > You sent email to this address gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, > germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com, mail@lfpl.org, > paul5510@bellsouth.net, enews@schaeffer.com > > *** AUTOMATED MESSAGE FROM A COMPUTER *** > > You have sent a message to a RootsWeb email address that is no longer > valid. This is an automated message from a computer as the email address > you have reached is no longer in use. For your convenience, we have > included information on some of our features so that your question might > be answered. > > If you are a list administrator and need help, please check the FAQs at: > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/ > > If you are a board administrator and need help, please login and > check the FAQs at the Boards Admin Center: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/mbexec?htx=admin.main > > If you are interested in searching for data, please start at: > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/archives.html > > If you are interested in sharing your data, please start at: > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/share.html > > Interested in having your database searchable? Please start at: > > http://userdb.rootsweb.com/submit.html > > Need your password sent to you? Please go to Password Central at: > > http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ > > Want help getting started with RootsWeb? Please see: > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/share.html > > If you have a question about RootsWeb or its services, please check > the FAQs at: > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ > > Please do not respond to this email. You will not receive an answer > from a live person at this email address. > > Thank you, > > RootsWeb Staff > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul, it gives the reason why you are receiving the automated message; there is no such forum! Why don't you scroll to the end of the email and follow the directions on how to 'unsubscribe'. Ursula _________________________________________________________________ Memories are like threads of gold, they never tarnish or grow old ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAUL BRUGGENSCHMIDT" <paul5510@bellsouth.net> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 2:47:47 PM Subject: [G-P-L] UNWANTED NOTICES germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com WHY AM I RECEVING THES UNWANTED NOTICES 2 OR 3 TIMES A DAY???? You sent email to this address gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com, mail@lfpl.org, paul5510@bellsouth.net, enews@schaeffer.com *** AUTOMATED MESSAGE FROM A COMPUTER *** You have sent a message to a RootsWeb email address that is no longer valid. This is an automated message from a computer as the email address you have reached is no longer in use. For your convenience, we have included information on some of our features so that your question might be answered. If you are a list administrator and need help, please check the FAQs at: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/listadmins/ If you are a board administrator and need help, please login and check the FAQs at the Boards Admin Center: http://boards.rootsweb.com/mbexec?htx=admin.main If you are interested in searching for data, please start at: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/help/archives.html If you are interested in sharing your data, please start at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/share.html Interested in having your database searchable? Please start at: http://userdb.rootsweb.com/submit.html Need your password sent to you? Please go to Password Central at: http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ Want help getting started with RootsWeb? Please see: http://searches.rootsweb.com/share.html If you have a question about RootsWeb or its services, please check the FAQs at: http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/ Please do not respond to this email. You will not receive an answer from a live person at this email address. Thank you, RootsWeb Staff For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that bit of info............I'll remember that next time I search. Many thanks to ALL the volunteers who dedicate their time and efforts Helping us. Bob Jeske -----Original Message----- From: Baerbel Johnson <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 9:45 am Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] Bubble I think the "change" is merely a phonetic variation of the name "Jeske". The letters "I" and "J" are often used interchangeably before 1900. The concept of "proper spelling" is a modern-day development that came in vogue with the first comprehensive dictionaries in the second half of the 19th Century. Baerbel <They were finally found under the name of "Iske" not Jeske.................Jeske and the spelling is very common in Bessarabia. There are also other variants of the spelling. But I have never seen it spelled Iske. This didn't happen on Ellis Island, but in Nova Scotia. Was this done because of translation......or the recorder wrote what he thought they said. This was definitely not written by my grandparents, as they couldn't read or write English. Any comments? > Thanks Robert L Jeske. -----Original Message----- From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:40 pm Subject: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] Bubble From: New England Historic Genealogical Society's newsletter, "The Weekly Genealogist", Vol. 14, No. 22, Whole #533, June 1, 2011. Used with permission. Research Recommendations: Bursting a Bubble by Michael J. Leclerc I burst another bubble yesterday. In speaking with a television producer about a segment on genealogy, I mentioned the biggest myth in American history — that anyone ever had their name changed at Ellis Island. Despite the numerous families with this tradition passed down, there is not a single documented occurrence of this ever happening. She was quite surprised to hear this. I’m certain that a number of people reading this are even now thinking “That may be true, but in the case of MY family it really did happen!” I’m sorry to disappoint you, but such is not the case. And this makes complete sense. Think of your ancestor, most of them poor or working class. They have left the only home they have ever known for better opportunities in America. They did not make this decision lightly. In most cases they had no desire to return. Indeed, many of them were quite terrified of being forced back to their homeland. Imagine the fate of a Russian Jew trying to escape the pogroms at the turn of the century, making it to the shores of the new world only to be forced to return to Russia. If you were that immigrant, would you do anything that might jeopardize your ability to stay in America? Have you ever taken a cruise? Try getting off the ship using a different name than the one with which you boarded. I don’t think you would make it past the security gate, let alone off the ship and onto shore. You showed your papers when you got on board, and showed the same papers when you disembarked. The tradition in many families is that they arrived and nobody at Ellis Island spoke their language. This is hogwash. The staff of Ellis Island spoke languages from around the world. They processed up to 11,000 immigrants per day. Many of these staff were themselves immigrants or the children of immigrants who spoke their parents’ native tongue. Together with hundreds of interpreters hired to work with them, communication was not an issue. (Well, no worse than communicating with any other bureaucrat, I’m certain.) Some immigrants changed their name prior to arriving in the United States. A friend of mine’s great-grandfather was a Russian Jew, probably escaping the pogroms at the turn of the century. He did not come directly to America, but went first to England for a time. Between the time left Russia and the time he boarded the ship in England, bound for Ellis Island, he changed his name from Moishe Cohen to William Smith. The point is, he got on the ship as William Smith and left the ship as William Smith. The name change did not occur during passage. More common is that the immigrants changed their name once they had arrived in America. Many were trying to settle in and feel more “American.” Some may have been trying to escape the ethnic prejudice rampant in America. Others may just have tired of spelling their Eastern European names to Americans. Indeed, spelling is, I believe, the crux of the issue for many. Remember that at this time of massive immigration, literacy was not very prevalent. People were more concerned with putting food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads, than with how to properly spell their name or any other word. Standardized spelling of names is a twentieth-century concept that came with greater education of the public. This is why we find so many spelling variations in names. It wasn’t that people didn’t know how to spell their name, it was that there was no “proper” way to spell a name, and for the most part they didn’t care. After a time, the family’s name would change from the original and that would be that. It wasn’t a big issue. In my own family, the spelling of my surname varies among the descendants of my great-great-grandfather. Variations include Leclair, Le Clair, LeClair, Leclerc, LeClerc, and Le Clerc. Which one is the “correct” spelling, and who am I to tell another family member that their spelling is not the "correct" version? Despite all that has been written to dispel the myth (try Googling “myth of name changed at Ellis Island”), it continues to be handed down in some families. I feel bad for people who are more connected to their family myths than learning the truth. And the truth is usually there to be found if one examines the records closely. 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Hi, I agree with Baerbel. I have a second-grade reader published in 1946 and typeset in Fraktur and when it comes to the upper case letter of "J" as in "Jch" or "Jahr" there is no distinction between "I" and "J". But of course you would have to be fluent in the German language in order to differentiate between the two. When it comes to handwriting, there is a distinction between both the upper and lower case, but it was usually interchanged. Ursula _________________________________________________________________ Memories are like threads of gold, they never tarnish or grow old ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] Bubble I think the "change" is merely a phonetic variation of the name "Jeske". The letters "I" and "J" are often used interchangeably before 1900. The concept of "proper spelling" is a modern-day development that came in vogue with the first comprehensive dictionaries in the second half of the 19th Century. Baerbel <They were finally found under the name of "Iske" not Jeske.................Jeske and the spelling is very common in Bessarabia. There are also other variants of the spelling. But I have never seen it spelled Iske. This didn't happen on Ellis Island, but in Nova Scotia. Was this done because of translation......or the recorder wrote what he thought they said. This was definitely not written by my grandparents, as they couldn't read or write English. Any comments? > Thanks Robert L Jeske. -----Original Message----- From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:40 pm Subject: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] Bubble From: New England Historic Genealogical Society's newsletter, "The Weekly Genealogist", Vol. 14, No. 22, Whole #533, June 1, 2011. Used with permission. Research Recommendations: Bursting a Bubble by Michael J. Leclerc I burst another bubble yesterday. In speaking with a television producer about a segment on genealogy, I mentioned the biggest myth in American history — that anyone ever had their name changed at Ellis Island. Despite the numerous families with this tradition passed down, there is not a single documented occurrence of this ever happening. She was quite surprised to hear this. I’m certain that a number of people reading this are even now thinking “That may be true, but in the case of MY family it really did happen!” I’m sorry to disappoint you, but such is not the case. And this makes complete sense. Think of your ancestor, most of them poor or working class. They have left the only home they have ever known for better opportunities in America. They did not make this decision lightly. In most cases they had no desire to return. Indeed, many of them were quite terrified of being forced back to their homeland. Imagine the fate of a Russian Jew trying to escape the pogroms at the turn of the century, making it to the shores of the new world only to be forced to return to Russia. If you were that immigrant, would you do anything that might jeopardize your ability to stay in America? Have you ever taken a cruise? Try getting off the ship using a different name than the one with which you boarded. I don’t think you would make it past the security gate, let alone off the ship and onto shore. You showed your papers when you got on board, and showed the same papers when you disembarked. The tradition in many families is that they arrived and nobody at Ellis Island spoke their language. This is hogwash. The staff of Ellis Island spoke languages from around the world. They processed up to 11,000 immigrants per day. Many of these staff were themselves immigrants or the children of immigrants who spoke their parents’ native tongue. Together with hundreds of interpreters hired to work with them, communication was not an issue. (Well, no worse than communicating with any other bureaucrat, I’m certain.) Some immigrants changed their name prior to arriving in the United States. A friend of mine’s great-grandfather was a Russian Jew, probably escaping the pogroms at the turn of the century. He did not come directly to America, but went first to England for a time. Between the time left Russia and the time he boarded the ship in England, bound for Ellis Island, he changed his name from Moishe Cohen to William Smith. The point is, he got on the ship as William Smith and left the ship as William Smith. The name change did not occur during passage. More common is that the immigrants changed their name once they had arrived in America. Many were trying to settle in and feel more “American.” Some may have been trying to escape the ethnic prejudice rampant in America. Others may just have tired of spelling their Eastern European names to Americans. Indeed, spelling is, I believe, the crux of the issue for many. Remember that at this time of massive immigration, literacy was not very prevalent. People were more concerned with putting food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads, than with how to properly spell their name or any other word. Standardized spelling of names is a twentieth-century concept that came with greater education of the public. This is why we find so many spelling variations in names. It wasn’t that people didn’t know how to spell their name, it was that there was no “proper” way to spell a name, and for the most part they didn’t care. After a time, the family’s name would change from the original and that would be that. It wasn’t a big issue. In my own family, the spelling of my surname varies among the descendants of my great-great-grandfather. Variations include Leclair, Le Clair, LeClair, Leclerc, LeClerc, and Le Clerc. Which one is the “correct” spelling, and who am I to tell another family member that their spelling is not the "correct" version? Despite all that has been written to dispel the myth (try Googling “myth of name changed at Ellis Island”), it continues to be handed down in some families. I feel bad for people who are more connected to their family myths than learning the truth. And the truth is usually there to be found if one examines the records closely. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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Thanks for that bit of info............I'll remember that next time I search. Many thanks to ALL the volunteers who dedicate their time and efforts Helping us. Bob Jeske -----Original Message----- From: Baerbel Johnson <JohnsonBx@familysearch.org> To: germany-passenger-lists <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Jun 27, 2011 9:45 am Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] Bubble I think the "change" is merely a phonetic variation of the name "Jeske". The letters "I" and "J" are often used interchangeably before 1900. The concept of "proper spelling" is a modern-day development that came in vogue with the first comprehensive dictionaries in the second half of the 19th Century. Baerbel <They were finally found under the name of "Iske" not Jeske.................Jeske and the spelling is very common in Bessarabia. There are also other variants of the spelling. But I have never seen it spelled Iske. This didn't happen on Ellis Island, but in Nova Scotia. Was this done because of translation......or the recorder wrote what he thought they said. This was definitely not written by my grandparents, as they couldn't read or write English. Any comments? > Thanks Robert L Jeske. -----Original Message----- From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 10:40 pm Subject: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] Bubble From: New England Historic Genealogical Society's newsletter, "The Weekly Genealogist", Vol. 14, No. 22, Whole #533, June 1, 2011. Used with permission. Research Recommendations: Bursting a Bubble by Michael J. Leclerc I burst another bubble yesterday. In speaking with a television producer about a segment on genealogy, I mentioned the biggest myth in American history — that anyone ever had their name changed at Ellis Island. Despite the numerous families with this tradition passed down, there is not a single documented occurrence of this ever happening. She was quite surprised to hear this. I’m certain that a number of people reading this are even now thinking “That may be true, but in the case of MY family it really did happen!” I’m sorry to disappoint you, but such is not the case. And this makes complete sense. Think of your ancestor, most of them poor or working class. They have left the only home they have ever known for better opportunities in America. They did not make this decision lightly. In most cases they had no desire to return. Indeed, many of them were quite terrified of being forced back to their homeland. Imagine the fate of a Russian Jew trying to escape the pogroms at the turn of the century, making it to the shores of the new world only to be forced to return to Russia. If you were that immigrant, would you do anything that might jeopardize your ability to stay in America? Have you ever taken a cruise? Try getting off the ship using a different name than the one with which you boarded. I don’t think you would make it past the security gate, let alone off the ship and onto shore. You showed your papers when you got on board, and showed the same papers when you disembarked. The tradition in many families is that they arrived and nobody at Ellis Island spoke their language. This is hogwash. The staff of Ellis Island spoke languages from around the world. They processed up to 11,000 immigrants per day. Many of these staff were themselves immigrants or the children of immigrants who spoke their parents’ native tongue. Together with hundreds of interpreters hired to work with them, communication was not an issue. (Well, no worse than communicating with any other bureaucrat, I’m certain.) Some immigrants changed their name prior to arriving in the United States. A friend of mine’s great-grandfather was a Russian Jew, probably escaping the pogroms at the turn of the century. He did not come directly to America, but went first to England for a time. Between the time left Russia and the time he boarded the ship in England, bound for Ellis Island, he changed his name from Moishe Cohen to William Smith. The point is, he got on the ship as William Smith and left the ship as William Smith. The name change did not occur during passage. More common is that the immigrants changed their name once they had arrived in America. Many were trying to settle in and feel more “American.” Some may have been trying to escape the ethnic prejudice rampant in America. Others may just have tired of spelling their Eastern European names to Americans. Indeed, spelling is, I believe, the crux of the issue for many. Remember that at this time of massive immigration, literacy was not very prevalent. People were more concerned with putting food on the table, clothes on their backs, and a roof over their heads, than with how to properly spell their name or any other word. Standardized spelling of names is a twentieth-century concept that came with greater education of the public. This is why we find so many spelling variations in names. It wasn’t that people didn’t know how to spell their name, it was that there was no “proper” way to spell a name, and for the most part they didn’t care. After a time, the family’s name would change from the original and that would be that. It wasn’t a big issue. In my own family, the spelling of my surname varies among the descendants of my great-great-grandfather. Variations include Leclair, Le Clair, LeClair, Leclerc, LeClerc, and Le Clerc. Which one is the “correct” spelling, and who am I to tell another family member that their spelling is not the "correct" version? Despite all that has been written to dispel the myth (try Googling “myth of name changed at Ellis Island”), it continues to be handed down in some families. I feel bad for people who are more connected to their family myths than learning the truth. And the truth is usually there to be found if one examines the records closely. 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You will not receive an answer from a live person at this email address. Thank you, RootsWeb Staff ----- Original Message ----- From: <germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 3:00 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 112 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] > Bubble (Bobbi) > 2. Re: Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] > Bubble (Bobbi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:32:18 -0400 > From: Bobbi <bobbidoll@optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's > name] Bubble > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <FCA621EF37674F0B92B4AB62FE5F92E6@BobbiPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8; > reply-type=original > > Yes, the name still was not changed at the arriving location. EITHER the > person filling out the passenger list in the originating country, OR > someone > trying to decipher old writing "mangled" the name. The ports that they > arrived at just processed what was there. > > I've found my grandmother and her nieces names spelled a number of > different > ways in the indices, but when you go back to the orginals, you can see the > name if you know what you are looking for. > > Bobbi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Jeske" > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: 26 June, 2011 2:14 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] > Bubble > > >> Very interesting article, and I do somewhat agree with it, but not >> totally. >> For instance, I searched for my Grandparents passenger list for >> years......It was finally found, not by me, but by a volunteer with >> germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com. >> >> They were finally found under the name of "Iske" not >> Jeske.................Jeske and the spelling is very common in >> Bessarabia. >> There are also other variants of the spelling. But I have never seen it >> spelled Iske. >> >> This didn't happen on Ellis Island, but in Nova Scotia. >> >> Was this done because of translation......or the recorder wrote what he >> thought they said. >> This was definitely not written by my grandparents, as they couldn't read >> or write English. >> >> Any comments? >> >> Thanks Robert L Jeske. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 10:00:55 -0400 > From: Bobbi <bobbidoll@optonline.net> > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's > name] Bubble > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <6C426154D616412797F0768BB4A0307F@BobbiPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; > reply-type=original > > Oops! I should have said "looking at" instead of "looking for." > > Also, just because a name was mangled at the departure port doesn't mean > the > family used the name when they arrived at their destination. If they did, > you probably would not have any trouble finding it. > > Bobbi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bobbi" > >> Yes, the name still was not changed at the arriving location. EITHER the >> person filling out the passenger list in the originating country, OR >> someone >> trying to decipher old writing "mangled" the name. The ports that they >> arrived at just processed what was there. >> >> I've found my grandmother and her nieces names spelled a number of >> different >> ways in the indices, but when you go back to the orginals, you can see >> the >> name if you know what you are looking for. >> >> Bobbi >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Jeske" >> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: 26 June, 2011 2:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Bursting a[n Ellis Island changed my family's name] >> Bubble >> >> >>> Very interesting article, and I do somewhat agree with it, but not >>> totally. >>> For instance, I searched for my Grandparents passenger list for >>> years......It was finally found, not by me, but by a volunteer with >>> germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> They were finally found under the name of "Iske" not >>> Jeske.................Jeske and the spelling is very common in >>> Bessarabia. >>> There are also other variants of the spelling. 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