iF YOU LOOK AT THE BODY OF THIS MAIL YOU'LL SEE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS . YOU CAN JUST CLICK ON THAT. you ARE GUILTY OF THE THING YOU JUST PROPOSED. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dlks" <dlks@harbornet.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Maps.. Maps.. Maps.. > HI Wolf > > Another "option" would be ... in the future ... to require that those > interested send all requests for things like these ( maps, etc. ) DIRECTLY > to the person(s) making the offer ... ? > > It's not a complicated operation to change the TO: line and enter the > correct address ( mhaab@web.de in this case ) > > But ... people being what they are, it most likely is a "mission > tmpossible" situation. > > Dick > > > researching SCHWEISS, MEIER, SCHMIDT / SCHMITT > Visit my website at: > http://www.harbornet.com/folks/dick/SchweissFamilyHistory2.htm > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wolf Zscheile" <saxonyroots@charter.net> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:43 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] Maps.. Maps.. Maps.. > > > > Hello All, > > > > was this ever a hectic weekend and quite a dis-appointment too.. > > > > Myri had the best intentions when she offered the maps to everyone > > and, of course, nobody could expect such a flood of emails.. > > > > We had a lot of unsubscriptions to the list because of overflowing > > mailboxes, which is, in my opinion, kind of short-sighted... > > > > We have over 1,000 subscribers to the list and if someone comes up > > with a topic which interest everyone, then you could expect a lot of > > emails.. Well, this is a mailinglist and there is nothing anyone can > > do about it.. > > > > However, you have a few more options.. > > ..You could change to the digest mode or > > .. Be a little patient and use the delete button a bit more.. > > .. or.... > > > > > > for the time being I put the maps on a temporary website: > > http://webpages.charter.net/saxonyroots/index > > > > and later on they will be moved to our WIKI, but you will be notified > > of any changes. > > > > They are in a high resolution and you are able to zoom- in .. > > > > Have fun and a nice afternoon, > > > > Wolf > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > >> [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > >> Behalf Of Bob & Lori R > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:58 PM > >> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen > >> > >> > >> Please supply Wolf's URL. > >> Bob > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "M. Haab" <mhaab@web.de> > >> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:13 AM > >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen > >> > >> > >> > Hi! > >> > > >> > The mass of emails was overwhelming! I' still speachless! I never > >> > thought there was such a massive interest in those maps. As > >> suggested, > >> > I sent the maps to Wolf Zscheile, who will upload them to > >> the > >> > website. Thank you very much, Wolf! That's the best > >> solution for all > >> > of > >> us. > >> > > >> > I apologise for having caused such rumours spamming the > >> list. I hope > >> > everyone was able to clean up his / her email account until now :-( > >> > > >> > If you have any questions please send me a PRIVATE EMAIL > >> > (m.haab@web.de). > >> > > >> > Have a nice day, > >> > Myri > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > >> of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > >> of the message > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release > >> Date: 9/4/2006 > >> > >> > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

DON'T YOU READ YOUR E-MAIL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlene Worthy" <cw736@wideopenwest.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] German Empire map > Oh how I envy you!!! Enjoy your trip. > > Carlene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@ldschurch.org> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:27 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] German Empire map > > > > Dear List, > > An atlas of the German Empire is available for downloading in sections at > > > > http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/home.html > > > > The website includes an index and detailed user instructions. > > > > I am leaving for Germany tomorrow and will be back Oct 3rd. Have a great > > month, > > everyone! > > > > Baerbel Johnson > > > > > > > > > > > > Baerbel K. Johnson > > International Reference > > FAX: 801-240-1925 > > Tel. : 801-240-6289 > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > > > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the > > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, > > disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > > intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email > > and destroy all copies of the original message. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

DON'T YOU READ YOUR E-MAIL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Fosdick" <gfosdyck@qwest.net> To: <"Wayne Straight"@mail.rootsweb.com>; <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Conscription > Wayne, > Are you related to any Streit? I know that they spell the name in several > ways. My Gr Gran-father came from (Luxemburg) to NY 26 April 1855. Thanks > Gerald > gfosdyck@qwest.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wayne J. Straight" <woichi01@comcast.net> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:53 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Conscription > > > > Hi Folks; > > > > I did a good bit of research to try to understand why so many of my > > ancestors fled Schleswig-Holstein in the mid-19th Century. This led me > > to understand that up until the time of the Prussian takeover, most if > > not all Germans were citizens of "city states", such as Hessen, Hanover > > or Holstein. If a German peasant had any patriotic feelings at all they > > were to one of these city states, vice a German federation (chances are > > that any such loyalties went no further than the local village). Since > > the Prussians required registration for conscription at a very early age > > (15, if I remember correctly), and since the young men felt absolutely > > no loyalty to Prussia, many fled elsewhere to avoid the draft. Once > > having arrived in the US however, their point of view in re citizenship > > often did a 180. Thus the irony that many who fled Prussia to avoid the > > draft ended up enlisting in US Federal or CSA military units. > > > > One interesting sidebar of my research is the discovery that my > > ancestors didn't even speak the same language as their Prussian > > "countrymen". They spoke Plattedeutsch vice German. Also known as > > Low-Saxon, this is a Germanic tongue more closely allied to Danish, > > Dutch and English than to proper German. > > > > Cheers, Masugu > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

DON'T YOU READYOUR E-MAIL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Renea Daringer" <reddare@mchsi.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Maps > > > I would like to see the maps too. > > Renea > > reddare@mchsi.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Myri Please send me a copy of the maps Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "A.R. Hudson" <a.r.hudson@bigpond.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen > Hi, > Yes please I would love the maps please > Regards > Roslyn Hudson > > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phyllis > Beene > Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:23 PM > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen > > PLEASE SEND ME THE MAPS. THANKS SO MUCH. > feline-lady1@comcast.net > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Haab" <mhaab@web.de> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:14 AM > Subject: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen > > >> Joanne and everyone who is interested, >> I just found maps of "Germany after the war 1618-1648" and of the time of >> the German Confederation in a history book. Furthermore, I have two old >> maps >> I once fond on the internet. They are called "Central Europe 1786" and >> "ganz >> German Empire 1871 - 1918". These maps will help you to locate the >> smaller >> German states. >> I'll send them to everyone who is interested. I don't think it is >> necessary >> to send them to all members of the list because it's about 5 MB. >> Send me an email and I'll send you the maps :-) >> Have a nice day! Myri >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My name is Denise and I am looking for information on my great-grandparents, HENRY CARL BORCHARDT and MARGARETHE HENRIETTE CATHARINE MARIA WESTPHAL They immigrated to the U.S. around 1924. My Great-granfather had a sister named CLARA married to a CARL WEIDEMAN(N) that lived in New Jersey. They passed away and they had no children. My father is an only child so finding information has been difficult. CLARA & CARL WEIDEMANN had friends in New Jersey That moved back to Germany after their death. Their names are FREDA & WILLY SETZKORN. The are my great-granfather is from is BREDENEI (Bredeny), Essen and my great-grandmother is from LUBECK i believe. If anyone could help me I would appreciate it very much. Thank you!!

who the bleeeeeep are you????? did ya have a bad day ... or is your nastiness natural? My appologies to the list and its owner Dick ( with burning ears 8-b ) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Brehm" <nikomahs@bellsouth.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Maps.. Maps.. Maps.. > iF YOU LOOK AT THE BODY OF THIS MAIL YOU'LL SEE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS . YOU > CAN JUST CLICK ON THAT. you ARE GUILTY OF THE THING YOU JUST PROPOSED. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dlks" <dlks@harbornet.com> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Maps.. Maps.. Maps.. > > >> HI Wolf >> >> Another "option" would be ... in the future ... to require that those >> interested send all requests for things like these ( maps, etc. ) >> DIRECTLY >> to the person(s) making the offer ... ? >> >> It's not a complicated operation to change the TO: line and enter the >> correct address ( mhaab@web.de in this case ) >> >> But ... people being what they are, it most likely is a "mission >> tmpossible" situation. >> >> Dick >> >> >> researching SCHWEISS, MEIER, SCHMIDT / SCHMITT >> Visit my website at: >> http://www.harbornet.com/folks/dick/SchweissFamilyHistory2.htm >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Wolf Zscheile" <saxonyroots@charter.net> >> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:43 PM >> Subject: [G-P-L] Maps.. Maps.. Maps.. >> >> >> > Hello All, >> > >> > was this ever a hectic weekend and quite a dis-appointment too.. >> > >> > Myri had the best intentions when she offered the maps to everyone >> > and, of course, nobody could expect such a flood of emails.. >> > >> > We had a lot of unsubscriptions to the list because of overflowing >> > mailboxes, which is, in my opinion, kind of short-sighted... >> > >> > We have over 1,000 subscribers to the list and if someone comes up >> > with a topic which interest everyone, then you could expect a lot of >> > emails.. Well, this is a mailinglist and there is nothing anyone can >> > do about it.. >> > >> > However, you have a few more options.. >> > ..You could change to the digest mode or >> > .. Be a little patient and use the delete button a bit more.. >> > .. or.... >> > >> > >> > for the time being I put the maps on a temporary website: >> > http://webpages.charter.net/saxonyroots/index >> > >> > and later on they will be moved to our WIKI, but you will be notified >> > of any changes. >> > >> > They are in a high resolution and you are able to zoom- in .. >> > >> > Have fun and a nice afternoon, >> > >> > Wolf >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com >> >> [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> >> Behalf Of Bob & Lori R >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:58 PM >> >> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >> >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen >> >> >> >> >> >> Please supply Wolf's URL. >> >> Bob >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "M. Haab" <mhaab@web.de> >> >> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:13 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi! >> >> > >> >> > The mass of emails was overwhelming! I' still speachless! I never >> >> > thought there was such a massive interest in those maps. As >> >> suggested, >> >> > I sent the maps to Wolf Zscheile, who will upload them to >> >> the >> >> > website. Thank you very much, Wolf! That's the best >> >> solution for all >> >> > of >> >> us. >> >> > >> >> > I apologise for having caused such rumours spamming the >> >> list. I hope >> >> > everyone was able to clean up his / her email account until now :-( >> >> > >> >> > If you have any questions please send me a PRIVATE EMAIL >> >> > (m.haab@web.de). >> >> > >> >> > Have a nice day, >> >> > Myri >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> >> of the message >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> >> of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release >> >> Date: 9/4/2006 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: >> > 9/4/2006 >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> > 'unsubscribe' >> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It would be nice if that URL for the homepage or group was at the bottom of each message, rather than just how to unsubscribe. I have found it before by looking in older messages, but that takes a while, and isn't very handy. Cecelia > Please supply Wolf's URL. > Bob

Hello Ursula; Interesting response! Please don't be incensed. I did indeed do a lot of research, and found that Germany, like much of Europe, was divided into city-states. If you prefer another term, such as "duchy", "free state" or "independent state", please feel free. In re giving "the impression that the only reason people left Germany/Prussia was to escape conscription". That was not my intent. Of course they left for other reasons! But the discussion was about conscription ( I did say "young men") so that is the issue I addressed, and the one that drove my g-g-granddad and his brothers (and many others) to leave home. Furthermore, since male ancestors were/are easier to trace, the bulk of my family data tends to deal with them. Another one not mentioned was the scarcity of available farmland. As for Plattedeutsche, the term was and is indeed used to refer to a variety of dialects under the term "Low-German". It is used as well to refer to specific dialects such as Low-Saxon, and the dialect used by the "Pennsylvania Dutch". (I can see where you might take umbrage--the whole thing does get complex.) Some good definitions are found on Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German), from which I include a relevant extract: "There are three different uses of the term "Low German": 1. A specific name of any West Germanic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germanic_languages> varieties <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_%28linguistics%29> that have neither taken part in the High German consonant shift <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_German_consonant_shift> nor classify as Low Franconian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Franconian_languages> or Anglo-Frisian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Frisian_languages>; this is the scope discussed in this article. 2. A broader term for the entire West Germanic language family <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_family> unaffected by the High German consonant shift, thus including Low Franconian varieties such as Dutch <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language>; for this use, see Low Saxon-Low Franconian languages <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Saxon-Low_Franconian_languages>. 3. A non-specific term for any non-standard <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_language> variety of German <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language>; this use is only found in Germany and is considered not to be linguistic <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistics>." Definition 3 covers what you discussed. Definition one is what I was referring to. If I erred in in any respect it was in over-simplifying (I didn't want to kill fellow readers with kindness, i.e.,too much of a good thing). Please not e that when I provided samples of family records from Schleswig-Holstein to native German speakers such as yourself, they found them indeciperable! It was only after doing much "Googling" and through multiple e-mail exchanges with additional native German speakers, that I found out about and identified the "Low-Saxon/Plattedeutsche/ Low-German" dialect spoken by my ancestors. Interestingly, the family emigrated to S-H from Holland in the 17th Century so they most likely spoke a tongue which fits into definition 2 att. I would also refer you to www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=Germany/ Languages of Germany/, in re Low-Saxon: "...few are native speakers (1996 Reinhard F. Hahn). Northern Germany. Lower Rhine Region below a line from Aachen to Witenberg. /Alternate names:/ Neddersassisch, Niedersaechsisch, Nedersaksisch, Low German, Plattdütsch,...Not intelligible to speakers of Standard German. A direct descendant of Old Saxon, related to English. 20 to 30 dialects with differing inherent intelligibility, depending on geographic distance." Another is www.geocities.com/Athens/9479/platt.html Low Saxon / Low German "Low Saxon (Low German) is a Germanic language that is the direct descendant of the Old Saxon language. It is the indigenous language of Northern Germany <http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9479/platt.html?20065#ale> and the eastern parts of the Netherlands <http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9479/platt.html?20065#hol>. It is also used in communities in Eastern Europe, Siberia, Central Asia and the Americas, especially by Mennonites. The term Low Saxon [/Nedersaksisch/] is to preferred over Low German. The name goes back to a time when the speakers regarded themselves as being Saxons and their language Saxon. Until recently, the official line was that the Low Saxon dialects of Germany were German ones and that the ones used in the Netherlands were Dutch dialects, and they had a low social status. Official recognition as a regional language was recently granted in Germany, the Netherlands and on the European Community level. Although Low Saxon has a long literary history, there is no standard language and orthography so far, due to official oppression and neglect until now. The resulting dialectal fragmentation in conjunction with a lack of collaboration across the German-Netherlands border is a great threat to the survival of the language. " I could go on but, 'nuff said. Cheers, Masugu (not Masuga!) P.S. Let's not belabor this issue on site. If you want to continue this discussion please use my personal address.

Denise: Do you know the dates of birth of HENRY CARL BORCHARDT and his wife MARGARETHE HENRIETTE CATHARINE MARIA WESTPHAL? I did a quick search looking for them in the 1930 census and did not find them. Do you believe they were living in New Jersey in 1930 or another state? What were the names of any children they had and dates of birth, particularly those born prior to 1930. It may help someone to find them in the census. The above information is very important when asking for help in finding information on an ancestor. Clark Oregon -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Denise Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:38 PM To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com My name is Denise and I am looking for information on my great-grandparents, HENRY CARL BORCHARDT and MARGARETHE HENRIETTE CATHARINE MARIA WESTPHAL They immigrated to the U.S. around 1924. If anyone could help me I would appreciate it very much. Thank you!!

Hello All, was this ever a hectic weekend and quite a dis-appointment too.. Myri had the best intentions when she offered the maps to everyone and, of course, nobody could expect such a flood of emails.. We had a lot of unsubscriptions to the list because of overflowing mailboxes, which is, in my opinion, kind of short-sighted... We have over 1,000 subscribers to the list and if someone comes up with a topic which interest everyone, then you could expect a lot of emails.. Well, this is a mailinglist and there is nothing anyone can do about it.. However, you have a few more options.. ..You could change to the digest mode or .. Be a little patient and use the delete button a bit more.. .. or.... for the time being I put the maps on a temporary website: http://webpages.charter.net/saxonyroots/index and later on they will be moved to our WIKI, but you will be notified of any changes. They are in a high resolution and you are able to zoom- in .. Have fun and a nice afternoon, Wolf > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Bob & Lori R > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:58 PM > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen > > > Please supply Wolf's URL. > Bob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "M. Haab" <mhaab@web.de> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:13 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen > > > > Hi! > > > > The mass of emails was overwhelming! I' still speachless! I never > > thought there was such a massive interest in those maps. As > suggested, > > I sent the maps to Wolf Zscheile, who will upload them to > the > > website. Thank you very much, Wolf! That's the best > solution for all > > of > us. > > > > I apologise for having caused such rumours spamming the > list. I hope > > everyone was able to clean up his / her email account until now :-( > > > > If you have any questions please send me a PRIVATE EMAIL > > (m.haab@web.de). > > > > Have a nice day, > > Myri > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release > Date: 9/4/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006

HI Wolf Another "option" would be ... in the future ... to require that those interested send all requests for things like these ( maps, etc. ) DIRECTLY to the person(s) making the offer ... ? It's not a complicated operation to change the TO: line and enter the correct address ( mhaab@web.de in this case ) But ... people being what they are, it most likely is a "mission tmpossible" situation. Dick researching SCHWEISS, MEIER, SCHMIDT / SCHMITT Visit my website at: http://www.harbornet.com/folks/dick/SchweissFamilyHistory2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf Zscheile" <saxonyroots@charter.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Maps.. Maps.. Maps.. > Hello All, > > was this ever a hectic weekend and quite a dis-appointment too.. > > Myri had the best intentions when she offered the maps to everyone > and, of course, nobody could expect such a flood of emails.. > > We had a lot of unsubscriptions to the list because of overflowing > mailboxes, which is, in my opinion, kind of short-sighted... > > We have over 1,000 subscribers to the list and if someone comes up > with a topic which interest everyone, then you could expect a lot of > emails.. Well, this is a mailinglist and there is nothing anyone can > do about it.. > > However, you have a few more options.. > ..You could change to the digest mode or > .. Be a little patient and use the delete button a bit more.. > .. or.... > > > for the time being I put the maps on a temporary website: > http://webpages.charter.net/saxonyroots/index > > and later on they will be moved to our WIKI, but you will be notified > of any changes. > > They are in a high resolution and you are able to zoom- in .. > > Have fun and a nice afternoon, > > Wolf > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of Bob & Lori R >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:58 PM >> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen >> >> >> Please supply Wolf's URL. >> Bob >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "M. Haab" <mhaab@web.de> >> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:13 AM >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen >> >> >> > Hi! >> > >> > The mass of emails was overwhelming! I' still speachless! I never >> > thought there was such a massive interest in those maps. As >> suggested, >> > I sent the maps to Wolf Zscheile, who will upload them to >> the >> > website. Thank you very much, Wolf! That's the best >> solution for all >> > of >> us. >> > >> > I apologise for having caused such rumours spamming the >> list. I hope >> > everyone was able to clean up his / her email account until now :-( >> > >> > If you have any questions please send me a PRIVATE EMAIL >> > (m.haab@web.de). >> > >> > Have a nice day, >> > Myri >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release >> Date: 9/4/2006 >> >> > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

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Please supply Wolf's URL. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Haab" <mhaab@web.de> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:13 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen > Hi! > > The mass of emails was overwhelming! I' still speachless! I never thought > there was such a massive interest in those maps. > As suggested, I sent the maps to Wolf Zscheile, who will upload them to the > website. Thank you very much, Wolf! That's the best solution for all of us. > > I apologise for having caused such rumours spamming the list. I hope > everyone was able to clean up his / her email account until now :-( > > If you have any questions please send me a PRIVATE EMAIL (m.haab@web.de). > > Have a nice day, > Myri > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Oh how I envy you!!! Enjoy your trip. Carlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Baerbel Johnson" <JohnsonBx@ldschurch.org> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 10:27 AM Subject: [G-P-L] German Empire map > Dear List, > An atlas of the German Empire is available for downloading in sections at > > http://www.library.wisc.edu/etext/ravenstein/home.html > > The website includes an index and detailed user instructions. > > I am leaving for Germany tomorrow and will be back Oct 3rd. Have a great > month, > everyone! > > Baerbel Johnson > > > > > > Baerbel K. Johnson > International Reference > FAX: 801-240-1925 > Tel. : 801-240-6289 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, > disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email > and destroy all copies of the original message. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Yes please I would love the maps please Regards Roslyn Hudson -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Phyllis Beene Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:23 PM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen PLEASE SEND ME THE MAPS. THANKS SO MUCH. feline-lady1@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Haab" <mhaab@web.de> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 5:14 AM Subject: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Hessen > Joanne and everyone who is interested, > I just found maps of "Germany after the war 1618-1648" and of the time of > the German Confederation in a history book. Furthermore, I have two old > maps > I once fond on the internet. They are called "Central Europe 1786" and > "ganz > German Empire 1871 - 1918". These maps will help you to locate the > smaller > German states. > I'll send them to everyone who is interested. I don't think it is > necessary > to send them to all members of the list because it's about 5 MB. > Send me an email and I'll send you the maps :-) > Have a nice day! Myri > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Masuga, Some of your research appears to be flawed and I think it is not a good idea to fill the heads of American researchers with stuff such as < "city states" such as Hessen, Hannover, or Holstein>> that's just nonsense. I would suggest to anyone wanting to know about the country/state of their ancestors that they 'google' around or else look it up in the encyclopedia. You give people the impression that the only reason people left Germany/Prussia was to escape conscription. That's absolutely not true....how else would you explain the millions of single women who emigrated to the US because of the simple fact that they were not free to marry i.e. unless the feudal landlord gave his permission. In addition, there was the same potato plight in Germany in the late 1840s as the one that raged in Ireland. And your comments regarding the "platt-deutsch" a dialect that is still spoken in every village in Germany from the Baltic and Atlantic all the way down to Baden and Bavaria even to this day along with the standard 'high german' is just pure nonsense. Platt-deutsch has nothing to do with Low Saxony, it is a 'spoken language' or 'dialect' that's different in every German state. When I visit my hometown in Hessen, I too speak 'platt-deutsch' with my peers and anyone else who still remembers the local form of communication. Ursula from Michigan Wayne J. Straight wrote: > Hi Folks; > > I did a good bit of research to try to understand why so many of my > ancestors fled Schleswig-Holstein in the mid-19th Century. This led me > to understand that up until the time of the Prussian takeover, most if > not all Germans were citizens of "city states", such as Hessen, Hanover > or Holstein. If a German peasant had any patriotic feelings at all they > were to one of these city states, vice a German federation (chances are > that any such loyalties went no further than the local village). Since > the Prussians required registration for conscription at a very early age > (15, if I remember correctly), and since the young men felt absolutely > no loyalty to Prussia, many fled elsewhere to avoid the draft. Once > having arrived in the US however, their point of view in re citizenship > often did a 180. Thus the irony that many who fled Prussia to avoid the > draft ended up enlisting in US Federal or CSA military units. > > One interesting sidebar of my research is the discovery that my > ancestors didn't even speak the same language as their Prussian > "countrymen". They spoke Plattedeutsch vice German. Also known as > Low-Saxon, this is a Germanic tongue more closely allied to Danish, > Dutch and English than to proper German. > > Cheers, Masugu > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > . >

Howard ENGERS, This site contains addresses and links http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ELS-LOT/alsace.html e.g. "Jewish Records A new class of record arose in 1808 when Napoleon required all Jews to adopt hereditary surnames. These declarations, which often include signatures in Hebrew, are now kept at the departmental archives. " http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ELS-LOT/alsace.html#arch Archive of the Department Archives Départementales du Haut-Rhin, Cité Administrative, 3, rue Fleischhauer, F68026 Colmar cedex, FRANCE City of Colmar Archives Municipales, BP 528, 68021 Colmar Cedex, FRANCE (city archives) Hope that helps, Myri

Wayne, Are you related to any Streit? I know that they spell the name in several ways. My Gr Gran-father came from (Luxemburg) to NY 26 April 1855. Thanks Gerald gfosdyck@qwest.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne J. Straight" <woichi01@comcast.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] [GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS] Conscription > Hi Folks; > > I did a good bit of research to try to understand why so many of my > ancestors fled Schleswig-Holstein in the mid-19th Century. This led me > to understand that up until the time of the Prussian takeover, most if > not all Germans were citizens of "city states", such as Hessen, Hanover > or Holstein. If a German peasant had any patriotic feelings at all they > were to one of these city states, vice a German federation (chances are > that any such loyalties went no further than the local village). Since > the Prussians required registration for conscription at a very early age > (15, if I remember correctly), and since the young men felt absolutely > no loyalty to Prussia, many fled elsewhere to avoid the draft. Once > having arrived in the US however, their point of view in re citizenship > often did a 180. Thus the irony that many who fled Prussia to avoid the > draft ended up enlisting in US Federal or CSA military units. > > One interesting sidebar of my research is the discovery that my > ancestors didn't even speak the same language as their Prussian > "countrymen". They spoke Plattedeutsch vice German. Also known as > Low-Saxon, this is a Germanic tongue more closely allied to Danish, > Dutch and English than to proper German. > > Cheers, Masugu > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi! The mass of emails was overwhelming! I' still speachless! I never thought there was such a massive interest in those maps. As suggested, I sent the maps to Wolf Zscheile, who will upload them to the website. Thank you very much, Wolf! That's the best solution for all of us. I apologise for having caused such rumours spamming the list. I hope everyone was able to clean up his / her email account until now :-( If you have any questions please send me a PRIVATE EMAIL (m.haab@web.de). Have a nice day, Myri