To all who are confused about GTA and other Passenger Lists. Please allow me to take a stab at explaining to you the difference between Passenger Ships Lists. 1) First of all, there are different Passenger Lists namely the DEPARTURE Lists for the Port from which the emigrant (with an 'e') left; these DEPARTURE lists were issed at the Port of HAMBURG or at the Port of BREMEN (Liverpool, or what-have-you). The DEPARTURE lists are the most complete and accurate of all passenger ship lists because they were recorded by German-speaking clerks in the language of the emigrant. These lists contain the name, age, profession, hometown, and destination of each passenger. The DEPARTURE Lists for the Port of BREMEN are no longer available (were destroyed because of space constraints at the shipping companies where they were housed). The DEPARTURE Lists for the Port of HAMBURG are available on microfilm at your local FHC. If you're one of the lucky ones whose ancestor came through Hamburg then these are the lists you want to research. Because the DEPARTURE Lists for Bremen are gone, GTA and others are using the ARRIVAL Lists, which were recorded upon an immigrants arrival in the US (most often these had been copied by hand using the Departure list as a reference) for submission to the NY customs authorities. 2) Then there are the ARRIVAL lists that were prepared upon the immigrants (with 'i') arrival at the US Port. These lists were prepared by English-speaking clerks in that they (as previously mentioned) copied the info from the German Departure list for submission to the New York Customs Authority for payment of the so-called 'head tax'. Because the ARRIVAL lists were issued by non-German speaking clerks they are often fraught with spelling errors and quite often do not contain the same information as was on the original manifest. You must realize that as the daily flood of immigrants increased - especially around 1880 - and the number of passengers on any given ship grew into the hundreds, the clerks didn't waste much time and only copied the data that was absolutely essential for submission to the authorities. 3) Re: Germans-to-America Series. The data extracted by this intrepid group of transcribers was taken exclusively from Passenger ARRIVAL lists (the ones recorded by Americans). In only the rarest of cases will it give the place (town) of origin. In some cases you will find reference to Hesse-Darmstadt, Hesse-Cassel, Hesse-Homburg, Saxony, Baden-Württemberg, Bavaria etc. While these published volumes cover almost 40+ years of immigration, they contain only a very small percentage of all immigrant ships arriving in America!! Because the GTA series has gotten very bad reviews especially by German researchers for its lack of completeness and inaccuracies, one should use the series only as a reference! So when any of you assume you will find more accurate or complete info at GTA than on the 'orignal handwritten manifest', you seriously mistaken! The same caution should be exercised when searching the passenger lists transcribed by the many other organizations -- they all have one thing in common - American-speaking transcribers, unfamiliarity with common German names, misspelled names, omissions because of the poor legibility of the original data and just plain human error. If you have a choice, you should always look for the 'handwritten' manifest or at least compare the info against the 'printed one' available at Genealogy.com or Ancestry.com. And as if there weren't enough errors in anyone of them, I have come across cases where there are differences in these two on-line services as well - often misread names, indexing errors, etc. Now that Ancestry.com has a large number of the 'original manifests' available on line, I can't see any reason why anybody would even bother with GTA since they are only transcriptions. Re: Country of Origin: GERMANY vs PRUSSIA. The worst thing that can happen to you is to find the country of origin defined as "GERMANY" as it covers any and all of the German states. If the manifest says 'PRUSSIA' (and you have read up on its history and the countries that were part of Prussia when your ancestor immigrated), then, depending on the year of immigration, it excludes those states that were not part of Prussia, e.g. Mecklenburg-Schwerin & Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Hessen, and others. I hope that this little ditty has cleared up some of the confusion over passenger lists. Happy hunting, Ursula Joanne Schmidt wrote: > Susan: > > I apologize!!!!!!! > > I was able to magnify the image you sent me, and it seems as if someone drew some sort of parenthesis above and below the word "Germany" to indicate which passengers are which. Thank you so much for pointing this out to me or I would have contnued believing she was from Prussia. > > These lists are about as clear as mud! Very hard to decipher. > > Still, I'd be interested to see if Ger to Am has a code next to her name--or even if that particular passenger list was transcribed. > > Thanks for going to so much trouble for me. I appreciate it very much! > > Joanne > > Susan Clark <susan.g.clark@comcast.net> wrote: > Joanne, > > Some lists do give more specific info on the place in Germany a person was > from, but many don't. I haven't looked at Germans to America for a while, > but I suspect it doesn't give specific codes for everyone. Someone more > familiar than me with the series could say if this was the case or not. > > I'll send you the original image I found so that you can look at it. > > Susan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joanne Schmidt" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Germans to America --response to Susan > > > >>Maybe I need to go back and look again, Susan. I would have sworn that >>there was a ditto mark next to her name indicating she, like the >>passengers immediately ahead of her on the list, was from Prussia. But it >>wouldn't be the first time I misread something. >> >>I do have a general question for those expert in the Germans to America >>Series: if the information provided on passengers listed in Ancestry is no >>less than that found in the G to A series, then where does the latter get >>the info that goes in the codes. (E.G., HD000 with the HD representing >>Hesse Darmstadt and the number next to it indicating the town in the code >>list at the front of each volume?) >> >>Please forgive my ignorance if everybody already knows the answer to >>this. I'm still feeling my way along and learning as I go. It would help >>me tremendously if I understood how the various sources assemble their >>info and who copies from who. >> >>Joanne > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > . >

Betty, Germany wasn't united as a country until 1871. Up until then, it was divided into duchies of various sizes (Saxony, Hesse-Darmstadt, Bavaria) plus the kingdom of Prussia (perhaps others were considered kingdoms, but I don't think so). Otto von Bismarck, advisor to the Prussian king, engineered the unification of Germany in 1871, but I think it was a while before people considered themselves Germans. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bbfritch@aol.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Prussia > > I thought Prussia was part of Germany? This correspondence sounds as if > they are two different countries?? > > Betty > FL > > Susan: > > I apologize!!!!!!! > > I was able to magnify the image you sent me, and it seems as if someone > drew > some sort of parenthesis above and below the word "Germany" to indicate > which passengers are which. Thank you so much for pointing this out to me > or I > would have contnued believing she was from Prussia. > > These lists are about as clear as mud! Very hard to decipher. > > Still, I'd be interested to see if Ger to Am has a code next to her > name--or > even if that particular passenger list was transcribed. > > Thanks for going to so much trouble for me. I appreciate it very much! > > Joanne > > Susan Clark <susan.g.clark@comcast.net> wrote: > Joanne, > > Some lists do give more specific info on the place in Germany a person > was > from, but many don't. I haven't looked at Germans to America for a while, > but I suspect it doesn't give specific codes for everyone. Someone more > familiar than me with the series could say if this was the case or not. > > I'll send you the original image I found so that you can look at it. > > Susan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joanne Schmidt" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Germans to America --response to Susan > > >> Maybe I need to go back and look again, Susan. I would have sworn that >> there was a ditto mark next to her name indicating she, like the >> passengers immediately ahead of her on the list, was from Prussia. But >> it >> wouldn't be the first time I misread something. >> >> I do have a general question for those expert in the Germans to America >> Series: if the information provided on passengers listed in Ancestry is >> no >> less than that found in the G to A series, then where does the latter >> get >> the info that goes in the codes. (E.G., HD000 with the HD representing >> Hesse Darmstadt and the number next to it indicating the town in the >> code >> list at the front of each volume?) >> >> Please forgive my ignorance if everybody already knows the answer to >> this. I'm still feeling my way along and learning as I go. It would help >> me tremendously if I understood how the various sources assemble their >> info and who copies from who. >> >> Joanne > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I thought Prussia was part of Germany? This correspondence sounds as if they are two different countries?? Betty FL Susan: I apologize!!!!!!! I was able to magnify the image you sent me, and it seems as if someone drew some sort of parenthesis above and below the word "Germany" to indicate which passengers are which. Thank you so much for pointing this out to me or I would have contnued believing she was from Prussia. These lists are about as clear as mud! Very hard to decipher. Still, I'd be interested to see if Ger to Am has a code next to her name--or even if that particular passenger list was transcribed. Thanks for going to so much trouble for me. I appreciate it very much! Joanne Susan Clark <susan.g.clark@comcast.net> wrote: Joanne, Some lists do give more specific info on the place in Germany a person was from, but many don't. I haven't looked at Germans to America for a while, but I suspect it doesn't give specific codes for everyone. Someone more familiar than me with the series could say if this was the case or not. I'll send you the original image I found so that you can look at it. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Schmidt" To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Germans to America --response to Susan > Maybe I need to go back and look again, Susan. I would have sworn that > there was a ditto mark next to her name indicating she, like the > passengers immediately ahead of her on the list, was from Prussia. But it > wouldn't be the first time I misread something. > > I do have a general question for those expert in the Germans to America > Series: if the information provided on passengers listed in Ancestry is no > less than that found in the G to A series, then where does the latter get > the info that goes in the codes. (E.G., HD000 with the HD representing > Hesse Darmstadt and the number next to it indicating the town in the code > list at the front of each volume?) > > Please forgive my ignorance if everybody already knows the answer to > this. I'm still feeling my way along and learning as I go. It would help > me tremendously if I understood how the various sources assemble their > info and who copies from who. > > Joanne

Susanna Sarah WILZ married Konrad GUNDLING on 17 Feb 1811 in Michelbach, Alzenau, Unterfranken, Bavaria. Konrad was born 1790 in Michelbach. The couple had the following children:, all born in Michelbach:Joannes, born 18 Apr 1812; Wilhelmus 21 Nov 1814; Susannah Mary 1 Feb 1817; Conradus 1 Nov 1819 and Georg Adam 29 Apr 1823. The family emigrated to Baltimore, Maryland, USA prior to 1850. Susannah Mary married Michael STAUDTER. The ccouple was settled in Emmitsburg, Frederick County, Maryland, USA in 1850 per USA census records and their daughter, Barbara, was born in Emmitsburg in Dec 1851. Barbara was baptized in the Catholic church in Emmitsburg. Conradus was also found living in Emmitsburg in 1850 and was living in the home of his sister and brother-in-law in 1850. Conradus was single in 1850. Any further information on the family in Germany would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. (Mrs) Patricia Montero San Jose, Costa Rica Patmontero25@hotmail.com

Have you checked the 1910-1930 censuses to see what they say her immigration year was? If not, give me more info (Regina's birthdate & husband's name, especially), and I'll check. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. D. Shealy" <Whiteknoll@alltel.net> To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:36 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Ideas please! >I would appreciate assistance from you more experienced genealogy > researchers. I am just at a loss for what to try next. > > On her declaration of intention my grandmother listed her name as Regina > Ozga having arrived from Kolbushann Austria through Bremen, Germany, in > New > York on Dec. 22, 1902 on the K. Wilhelm der Grosse or Brandenburg. I > could > not locate her on the der Grosse and don't know how to access the > passenger > list for the Brandenburg. Her year of arrival may be wrong as I note her > year of marriage is listed incorrectly as 1904, rather than 1905 on the > license. Additionally, her first name may not have been Regina, as the > only > Regina Ozga I found arriving prior to her marriage on July 15, 1905 was a > widow with an 11 year old child and that definitely was not her. > > Is there any information source in US or Galicia (now Kolbuszowa, Poland) > which would show her passport info. > > My grandfather Joseph Moller, who arrived in New York in 1898, is even > more > of an enigma since I no real idea of his place of birth. He registered > for > military service in 1918 but I don't believe he ever applied to > citizenship. > > Any ideas would be appreciated! > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joanne, Some lists do give more specific info on the place in Germany a person was from, but many don't. I haven't looked at Germans to America for a while, but I suspect it doesn't give specific codes for everyone. Someone more familiar than me with the series could say if this was the case or not. I'll send you the original image I found so that you can look at it. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Schmidt" <jcsmitty1212@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Germans to America --response to Susan > Maybe I need to go back and look again, Susan. I would have sworn that > there was a ditto mark next to her name indicating she, like the > passengers immediately ahead of her on the list, was from Prussia. But it > wouldn't be the first time I misread something. > > I do have a general question for those expert in the Germans to America > Series: if the information provided on passengers listed in Ancestry is no > less than that found in the G to A series, then where does the latter get > the info that goes in the codes. (E.G., HD000 with the HD representing > Hesse Darmstadt and the number next to it indicating the town in the code > list at the front of each volume?) > > Please forgive my ignorance if everybody already knows the answer to > this. I'm still feeling my way along and learning as I go. It would help > me tremendously if I understood how the various sources assemble their > info and who copies from who. > > Joanne

The "Free" land they gave away was a big incentive. They failed to tell them the free land was in Timbuktu; although there are many ancestors still on the land today working it.

I would appreciate assistance from you more experienced genealogy researchers. I am just at a loss for what to try next. On her declaration of intention my grandmother listed her name as Regina Ozga having arrived from Kolbushann Austria through Bremen, Germany, in New York on Dec. 22, 1902 on the K. Wilhelm der Grosse or Brandenburg. I could not locate her on the der Grosse and don't know how to access the passenger list for the Brandenburg. Her year of arrival may be wrong as I note her year of marriage is listed incorrectly as 1904, rather than 1905 on the license. Additionally, her first name may not have been Regina, as the only Regina Ozga I found arriving prior to her marriage on July 15, 1905 was a widow with an 11 year old child and that definitely was not her. Is there any information source in US or Galicia (now Kolbuszowa, Poland) which would show her passport info. My grandfather Joseph Moller, who arrived in New York in 1898, is even more of an enigma since I no real idea of his place of birth. He registered for military service in 1918 but I don't believe he ever applied to citizenship. Any ideas would be appreciated!

Jos Moller Arrival date---1889 Estimated Birth Date--32 Gender--Male Port of Origin--Hamburg, Germany Destination--USA Place of Origin---Austria Ship Name--Harmonia Port of Arrival--New York Could this be your Joseph. Jerrald Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. D. Shealy" <Whiteknoll@alltel.net> To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:36 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Ideas please! >I would appreciate assistance from you more experienced genealogy > researchers. I am just at a loss for what to try next. > > On her declaration of intention my grandmother listed her name as Regina > Ozga having arrived from Kolbushann Austria through Bremen, Germany, in > New > York on Dec. 22, 1902 on the K. Wilhelm der Grosse or Brandenburg. I > could > not locate her on the der Grosse and don't know how to access the > passenger > list for the Brandenburg. Her year of arrival may be wrong as I note her > year of marriage is listed incorrectly as 1904, rather than 1905 on the > license. Additionally, her first name may not have been Regina, as the > only > Regina Ozga I found arriving prior to her marriage on July 15, 1905 was a > widow with an 11 year old child and that definitely was not her. > > Is there any information source in US or Galicia (now Kolbuszowa, Poland) > which would show her passport info. > > My grandfather Joseph Moller, who arrived in New York in 1898, is even > more > of an enigma since I no real idea of his place of birth. He registered > for > military service in 1918 but I don't believe he ever applied to > citizenship. > > Any ideas would be appreciated! > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes it would. I just did 2 instead 3. Sorry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Schmidt" <jcsmitty1212@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Proescher/Prasher > If he was 21 in 1851, wouldn't his estimated birth year by 1830? > > Joanne > > Jerrald Lloyd <jlloyd@chartermi.net> wrote: > Johan Prescher > Arrival date--27 Aug 1851 > Estimated birth year--1820 > Age 21 > Gender --Male > Port of Departure--London, England > Destination-- New York > Ship name--Northumberland > Port of Arrivel--New York > Line 32 Microfilm Serial--M 237 > Microfilm Row--104 > List Number 1233 > > Jerrald Lloyd > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gretchen Tinkle" > To: > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:50 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] Proescher/Prasher > > >> My great-grandfather, Johann Proescher, came to this country in 1851 >> according to the 1910 census--from Hesse-Darmstadt. I have found his >> birth record, but have not been able to find either him or his wife on >> passenger lists that I've found. His wife was Katerina von Reuschling >> also from Hesse-Darmstadt. Can anyone find him? I believe he came >> into New York as I found him in a city directory in Buffalo, NY. >> Thanks Prasher is the current spelling of the name. >> Gretchen. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Susan: I apologize!!!!!!! I was able to magnify the image you sent me, and it seems as if someone drew some sort of parenthesis above and below the word "Germany" to indicate which passengers are which. Thank you so much for pointing this out to me or I would have contnued believing she was from Prussia. These lists are about as clear as mud! Very hard to decipher. Still, I'd be interested to see if Ger to Am has a code next to her name--or even if that particular passenger list was transcribed. Thanks for going to so much trouble for me. I appreciate it very much! Joanne Susan Clark <susan.g.clark@comcast.net> wrote: Joanne, Some lists do give more specific info on the place in Germany a person was from, but many don't. I haven't looked at Germans to America for a while, but I suspect it doesn't give specific codes for everyone. Someone more familiar than me with the series could say if this was the case or not. I'll send you the original image I found so that you can look at it. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Schmidt" To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Germans to America --response to Susan > Maybe I need to go back and look again, Susan. I would have sworn that > there was a ditto mark next to her name indicating she, like the > passengers immediately ahead of her on the list, was from Prussia. But it > wouldn't be the first time I misread something. > > I do have a general question for those expert in the Germans to America > Series: if the information provided on passengers listed in Ancestry is no > less than that found in the G to A series, then where does the latter get > the info that goes in the codes. (E.G., HD000 with the HD representing > Hesse Darmstadt and the number next to it indicating the town in the code > list at the front of each volume?) > > Please forgive my ignorance if everybody already knows the answer to > this. I'm still feeling my way along and learning as I go. It would help > me tremendously if I understood how the various sources assemble their > info and who copies from who. > > Joanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

I am looking at the copy of the passenger list I copied while at the FHC as we speak. Anna Berndt is two names above a name next to Germany and the 10th name listed under Prussia. Either I have to assume that there are no ditto marks for those people without a country written in the column next to their names, or that she is from Prussia. Otherwise, only five or six passengers can be identified by country. I'm not sure what the check marks next to the names are supposed to indicate. Do you see it that way or am I mistaken? Joanne Susan Clark <susan.g.clark@comcast.net> wrote: Joanne, Some lists do give more specific info on the place in Germany a person was from, but many don't. I haven't looked at Germans to America for a while, but I suspect it doesn't give specific codes for everyone. Someone more familiar than me with the series could say if this was the case or not. I'll send you the original image I found so that you can look at it. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Schmidt" To: Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Germans to America --response to Susan > Maybe I need to go back and look again, Susan. I would have sworn that > there was a ditto mark next to her name indicating she, like the > passengers immediately ahead of her on the list, was from Prussia. But it > wouldn't be the first time I misread something. > > I do have a general question for those expert in the Germans to America > Series: if the information provided on passengers listed in Ancestry is no > less than that found in the G to A series, then where does the latter get > the info that goes in the codes. (E.G., HD000 with the HD representing > Hesse Darmstadt and the number next to it indicating the town in the code > list at the front of each volume?) > > Please forgive my ignorance if everybody already knows the answer to > this. I'm still feeling my way along and learning as I go. It would help > me tremendously if I understood how the various sources assemble their > info and who copies from who. > > Joanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

>> Also the folks over in Ancestry often goof up names. I found my >> grandfather by going through the census for the community by going >> through it page by page. Jane >> > >

A ggrandfather,age 32 with wife and 3 children, homesteading in WI also joined as a volunteer in the last year of civil war, I think it may have been due to the large bonus they were handing out to volunteers. Jane > > > > ------------------------------ > I found it curious that an emigrant from Pomerania, born in 1836, > would enlist at the age of 28 in the American Civil War in 1864, serve > honorably and be "mustered out" at Vicksburg, MS in 1865. > >

If he was 21 in 1851, wouldn't his estimated birth year by 1830? Joanne Jerrald Lloyd <jlloyd@chartermi.net> wrote: Johan Prescher Arrival date--27 Aug 1851 Estimated birth year--1820 Age 21 Gender --Male Port of Departure--London, England Destination-- New York Ship name--Northumberland Port of Arrivel--New York Line 32 Microfilm Serial--M 237 Microfilm Row--104 List Number 1233 Jerrald Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gretchen Tinkle" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:50 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Proescher/Prasher > My great-grandfather, Johann Proescher, came to this country in 1851 > according to the 1910 census--from Hesse-Darmstadt. I have found his > birth record, but have not been able to find either him or his wife on > passenger lists that I've found. His wife was Katerina von Reuschling > also from Hesse-Darmstadt. Can anyone find him? I believe he came > into New York as I found him in a city directory in Buffalo, NY. > Thanks Prasher is the current spelling of the name. > Gretchen. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

Susan: Could you please tell me more about the church records in Hesse Darmstadt you found? Where did you find them, and can you offer some tips on looking for an ancestor once you've identified the province? I have an ancestor from that area as well. I believe he was probably Lutheran. Is there an online source anywhere of Lutheran churches in HD? Sounds like you've made terrific progress. Joanne NOSHOWCLC@aol.com wrote: Hello List, Normally when new to a list I lurk and get a feel for it. Today I'm going to jump right in because of the warm welcome from Wolf and the few, already helpful replies I've seen directed to other listers. I'm Susan, living in Seattle, Washington, and searching for my many German ancestors. I have some that have stumped me for years, some just recently. I'll begin with my long standing brickwalls... Ludwig GRIMM, born 1806 in Arnshain, Hesse Darmstadt. In 1849, as a widower, he came to the United States with his four children - Anna Catharina, age 17 in June of 1849; Catharina, age 15 in June 1849; Elizabetha, age 11 in June 1849; and Heinrich, age 9 in June 1849. The June 1849 date is from Ludwig's passport. I've never been able to locate their arrival in the United States, they settled in Baltimore, Maryland and were there for the 1850 census. I have all their birth records, so know these are his children. Passport was issued 6 June 1849, church records say they left from Bremen 17 June 1849. That was fast! I found what looks like them on Hessiches Staatsarchiv Darmstadt (HStAD) Auswanderer-Nachweise (R 21 B), but there's one thing that doesn't make sense in those records, namely that Ludwig was with three girls, no son Henry, and shows Katherine with her illigitimate daughter Elizabeth. No ages, but the names of the girls are all correct and only know they came from Hesse Darmstadt. As I said, I have the church's birth records for all his children, so think this has to be some weird coincidence? If a manifest were ever to be found, would one that early show a possible sponsor in this country? That brings me to my next brickwall, his possible sister who also came to Baltimore, although I have practically nothing on her. Ludwig's/Lewis' obit mentions a niece named Anna Matthaei. In looking though the censuses, I find her and her growing family, and always present is her mother, sometimes Anna, sometimes Katherine SNYDER. Searching for her arrival in this country, believe it was prior to Ludwig and perhaps the reason he chose Baltimore. His sister, Katharina, was born in 1803, which is consistent with the age of Anna/Catherine Snyder in every census. Looking for her arrival and husband's name, if he came with her, she's a widow in every census in the states. Next, looking for the arrival of Gottlieb WOLLNY, of Hanover, in 1910. His wife was Mary/Maria, hopefully nee ENGLER. I'm looking for some sort of marriage records for them, presumably in Hanover. I may be asking too much here, but any advice on where to find the information is most welcome as well as greatly appreciated. These people are tough to track! Thanks for your time in reading through this long saga! Susan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.

Hi , I'll be happy to help with the transcribing of ships lists as far as I can. I've done one in the past for Wolf, and sent it back, but have not heard anything after that. If my effort was acceptable, I'd be happy to help out further. Max Ruppert (Max) -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of kajh Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:20 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: [G-P-L] TRANSCRIBERS FOR SHIP MANIFESTS NEEDED Hello to all GERMANY PASSENGER LISTS members, If you have any ship manifests which you have already transcribed and would like to contribute them to the SAXONY ROOTS SHIPS database please send them to: Saxony RootShips: saxonyrootships@gmail.com If you would like to help in this transcription contribution and process, please send an email and you will receive further information. We *appreciate* your valuable volunteer time and effort. When sending transcribed lists from your personal files please make sure you are in compliance with COPYRIGHT issues. Please review: WHAT IS COPYRIGHT PROTECTION? http://www.whatiscopyright.org/ THANKS TO ONE AND ALL FOR YOUR INTEREST. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That's very interesting. My great grandfather was born in British Guiana of English parents, and he served in the American Civil War after the family emigrated to New York. I always wondered if he did so for ideological reasons, but now you've given me another reason to think about. Joanne Jane Rasmussen <janeluci@bresnan.net> wrote: A ggrandfather,age 32 with wife and 3 children, homesteading in WI also joined as a volunteer in the last year of civil war, I think it may have been due to the large bonus they were handing out to volunteers. Jane > > > > ------------------------------ > I found it curious that an emigrant from Pomerania, born in 1836, > would enlist at the age of 28 in the American Civil War in 1864, serve > honorably and be "mustered out" at Vicksburg, MS in 1865. > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.

Maybe I need to go back and look again, Susan. I would have sworn that there was a ditto mark next to her name indicating she, like the passengers immediately ahead of her on the list, was from Prussia. But it wouldn't be the first time I misread something. I do have a general question for those expert in the Germans to America Series: if the information provided on passengers listed in Ancestry is no less than that found in the G to A series, then where does the latter get the info that goes in the codes. (E.G., HD000 with the HD representing Hesse Darmstadt and the number next to it indicating the town in the code list at the front of each volume?) Please forgive my ignorance if everybody already knows the answer to this. I'm still feeling my way along and learning as I go. It would help me tremendously if I understood how the various sources assemble their info and who copies from who. Joanne Susan Clark <susan.g.clark@comcast.net> wrote: Joanne, I don't think that Germans to America will have any more information. As far as I know, the authors only worked with the ship's manifests. I checked on Ancestry and found Anna, but I don't think it says that she comes from Prussia. That is written next to brackets for a couple of names a number of entries before hers on the list. Her name is encompassed by a larger bracket that says Germany. I'm not sure what that means here -- everything except Prussia?? Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Schmidt" To: "german passenger list" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Can someone look up Germans to America for me? I sent this query earlier but when it never got into the email I realized the address was different. It had "bounce" in the address, so I'm confused. Anyway: here's my query if anyone can help. I found my great-grandmother on a New York passenger list, but wondered if someone who has access to Germans to America would be kind enough to see if there is a code next to her name in the 1873 volume that would narrow down her place of origin. Her name is Anna Berndt, and she arrived in New York on May 8, 1873 on the ship Hammonia. She was age 18 at the time, having been born abt 1855. The port of departure was Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France. The original passenger list seemed to indicate she was from Prussia, but I didn't know if the book series might be more precise. Thanks in advance for your help. Joanne Schmidt --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.

Theresa: The passenger list I found was at Ancestry.com, which I accessed while at the local Family History center in my area. It gives you the basic info upfront when you are able to locate the ancestor, but then allows you to look at the original image of the passenger list. I think Germans to America might have a more precise location than "Prussia" if it has that passenger info in it, but can't say for sure until someone checks it out. Joanne Theresa Schroeder <teeza@worldnet.att.net> wrote: Hi! I can't help you, but wonder what NY passenger lists you found. My great grandfather came over from Germany in 1873-1874 and I can find very few records for those years. Good luck with your own search! Theresa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joanne Schmidt" To: "german passenger list" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:03 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Can someone look up Germans to America for me? I sent this query earlier but when it never got into the email I realized the address was different. It had "bounce" in the address, so I'm confused. Anyway: here's my query if anyone can help. I found my great-grandmother on a New York passenger list, but wondered if someone who has access to Germans to America would be kind enough to see if there is a code next to her name in the 1873 volume that would narrow down her place of origin. Her name is Anna Berndt, and she arrived in New York on May 8, 1873 on the ship Hammonia. She was age 18 at the time, having been born abt 1855. The port of departure was Hamburg, Germany and Le Havre, France. The original passenger list seemed to indicate she was from Prussia, but I didn't know if the book series might be more precise. Thanks in advance for your help. Joanne Schmidt --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 9/4/2006 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates.