Is anyone on the list researching Johannes BIEHN (1652-1746/47) buried at Lower Skippack Mennonite Cemetery, Philadelphia Co. (now Montgomery Co., PA.)? He married Marieke/Mary (Arêtes VanAchen) VANFOSSEN and they resided in Philadelphia Co., PA. Johannes bought land in Philadelphia Co. in 1727/28. A portion of the county (formerly Providence) apparently was "annexed" and eventually named Worcester Twp. Their children were Henry, John, Garrett, Conrad, Arnold, Adam, Christina, and Sibilla. Henry and John are named in Johannes' 1746/47 Will as well as his wife Mary. None of the other children are named in the Will. Johannes may have emigrated from Speisheim, Pfalz, Palatinate and certainly prior to the 1727 land purchase. I cannot find him on a ship manifest nor any other records. Name variants include BIEN, BIHN, BEAN. To date I cannot find any connection to the BOEHM spelling. Thank you for any help. Judy in CO.

Hi Jerrald, I appreciate the information and your time. Do you have any suggestions for tracing them back further? Thank you so much, Janet -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerrald Lloyd Sent: 12 October 2006 00:52 To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello 1850 census Indiana, Jefferson, Madison George Geisler --age 44--farmer--Baden Elenor wife--age 39---Baden Sanatuis son --age 21 cooper--Bader----name hard to read Victonia dau---age 17--Baden Matheas son--age 16--farmer--Baden Mary F. dau--age 12 --Ohio George son---age 10--Ohio Elizabeth dau--age 8--Ohio Magaelane dau--age 6--Indiana Frank Joseph son--3--Indiana Catherine dau--age 11/12----Indiana Jerrald Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf Zscheile" <saxonyroots@charter.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello > Hi Janet, > > thanks for having so much confidence in me.. ;-)) > > But it would be much better to ask questions like this the > whole list.. Then you would have many more 'brains' to pick on.. > > Talk to you later, > > Wolf > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of Janet >> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:22 PM >> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [G-P-L] Hello >> >> >> Hi Wolfe, >> >> >> >> I have started to continue the work my mother (Ruth Weis >> Flournoy) did almost 20 years ago when she started looking >> into the family tree. She died in 1993, too early to benefit >> from all the information available on the web. I have been >> trying to find when my German ancestors came over but haven't >> found them on any of the free web sources. I have Jacob Weis >> Sr coming over between his birth in Baden in 1816 and 1846 >> when he married Francesca Eckert (born 05 Oct 1818 in Baden >> or Bayern) in Ohio (their son's, Jacob Weis Jr, death >> certificate listed her as Frances Von Eckert). I couldn't >> find Frances either. Nor could I find the Geisler's >> (Catherine Geisler, born 1849 in Indiana and her parents, >> George & Eleanor, who came over from Baden between 1834 & 1838) >> >> >> >> I think I have exhausted the free web sites so want to know >> which fee-paying sites or publications would be most >> informative. I also have a friend near Munich who could do >> some German language research if I knew the most productive >> sites (in fact we are going to visit her this weekend). >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Janet Flourrnoy >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release >> Date: 10/10/2006 >> >> > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/471 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hello Janet; In re pay-fer sites for immigration: I checked Ancestry.com's/ US Immigration Collection/ for the names you mentioned and got the following. You may want to try a trial subscription with them--just remember to cancel _before_ the 14 day trial period is up. Cheers, Masugu A) Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s 1) Name: Jacob Weis Year: 1823 Place: New York, New York Source Publication Code: 7870 Primary Immigrant: Weis, Jacob Source Bibliography: SAMUELSEN, W. DAVID. New York City Passenger List Manifests Index, 1820-1824. North Salt Lake, Utah: Accelerated Indexing Systems International, 1986. 290p. Page: 276 Source Citation: Place: New York, New York; Year: 1823; Page Number: 276. 2) Name: Jacob Weiss Year: 1844 Place: Pennsylvania Source Publication Code: 1450.2 Primary Immigrant: Weiss, Jacob Annotation: Port and date of arrival, a few are place and date of first mention of residence in the New World. Source also provides age, nativity, address in U.S., witnesses, etc. Indexer incorporated corrections listed on page 164a into the individual entries of tho Source Bibliography: DARLINGTON, JANE E. Marion County, Indiana, Records Miscellanea. Indianapolis: Indiana Historical Society, Family History Section, 1986. Parts A and B: pp. 1a-164a, 1b-43b. Page: 156 Source Citation: Place: Pennsylvania; Year: 1844; Page Number: 156. 3) Name: Jacob Weiss Year: 1817 Place: Philadelphia Source Publication Code: 6466.4 Primary Immigrant: Weiss, Jacob Annotation: Date and port of arrival. Much of the information was extracted from the Port of Philadelphia Baggage Lists, which were maintained by officials from 1800 to 1820, and National Archives Microfilm Publication M425, Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Philadelphia Source Bibliography: PASSENGER ARRIVALS AT THE PORT OF PHILADELPHIA, 1800-1819. Michael Tepper, general editor; Elizabeth P. Bentley, transcriber. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1986. 913p. Page: 761 Source Citation: Place: Philadelphia; Year: 1817; Page Number: 761. 4) Name: Jacob Weiss Year: 1820 Place: New York Source Publication Code: 714 Primary Immigrant: Weiss, Jacob Annotation: Contains passenger listings mentioned in Lancour, A Bibliography of Ship Passenger Lists, 1538-1825 (1963), nos. 72-76, 78B, 79, 81-83, 83 note, 85, 87A, 88, 89, 98(1), 100, 102(1A), 104-106, 107A, 110-111, 111 corr., 112-114. Includes index to ship names Source Bibliography: BOYER, CARL, 3RD, editor Ship Passenger Lists, New York and New Jersey (1600-1825). Newhall, Calif.: the editor, 1978. 333p. 4th pr. 1986. Reprint. Family Line Publications, Westminster, MD, 1992. Page: 207 Source Citation: Place: New York; Year: 1820; Page Number: 207. 5) Name: Jacob, Jr. Weiss Year: 1820 Place: New York Source Publication Code: 8222 Primary Immigrant: Weiss, Jacob, Jr. Annotation: In colonial New York, aliens needed letters of denization from the King of England or in New York from the Governor, or had to be naturalized before they could hold or dispose of real property. Then later, Acts of the Legislature between 1790 and 1825 nam Source Bibliography: SCOTT, KENNETH. "Resident Aliens Enabled to Hold Land in New York State, 1790-1825." In National Genealogical Society Quarterly, vol. 67:1 (Mar. 1979), pp. 42-57. Source Citation: Place: New York; Year: 1820; Page Number: 52. 6) Name: Jacob Weiss Year: 1820 Place: New York Source Publication Code: 8222 Primary Immigrant: Weiss, Jacob Annotation: In colonial New York, aliens needed letters of denization from the King of England or in New York from the Governor, or had to be naturalized before they could hold or dispose of real property. Then later, Acts of the Legislature between 1790 and 1825 nam Source Bibliography: SCOTT, KENNETH. "Resident Aliens Enabled to Hold Land in New York State, 1790-1825." In National Genealogical Society Quarterly, vol. 67:1 (Mar. 1979), pp. 42-57. Page: 52 Source Citation: Place: New York; Year: 1820; Page Number: 52. 7) Name: Jacob, Jr. Weiss Year: 1820 Place: New York Source Publication Code: 714 Primary Immigrant: Weiss, Jacob, Jr. Annotation: Contains passenger listings mentioned in Lancour, A Bibliography of Ship Passenger Lists, 1538-1825 (1963), nos. 72-76, 78B, 79, 81-83, 83 note, 85, 87A, 88, 89, 98(1), 100, 102(1A), 104-106, 107A, 110-111, 111 corr., 112-114. Includes index to ship names Source Bibliography: BOYER, CARL, 3RD, editor Ship Passenger Lists, New York and New Jersey (1600-1825). Newhall, Calif.: the editor, 1978. 333p. 4th pr. 1986. Reprint. Family Line Publications, Westminster, MD, 1992. Page: 207 Source Citation: Place: New York; Year: 1820; Page Number: 207. 8) Name: Jacob Weiss Year: 1852 Place: Philadelphia Source Publication Code: 9312 Primary Immigrant: Weiss, Jacob Annotation: Called Section II, Alphabetical Index of Naturalization Records, 1794-1880, Maritime Records, Port of Philadelphia. Entries include names of applicants, countries of former allegiance, courts of record, and declaration dates. Reproduced from typewritten m Source Bibliography: UNITED STATES, WORK PROJECTS ADMINISTRATION. Index to Records of Aliens' Declarations of Intention and/or Oaths of Allegiance, 1789-1880, in United States Circuit Court, United States District Court, Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, Quarter Sessions Court, Court of Common Pleas, Philadelphia. Compiled by W.P.A., Project No. 20837. [Harrisburg:] Pennsylvania Historical Commission, [1940]. 25 vols. in 11. Vol. 11. Letter W. 218p. Page: 82 Source Citation: Place: Philadelphia; Year: 1852; Page Number: 82. 9) Name: Jacob Weiss Year: 1809-1852 Place: Ohio Source Publication Code: 4511.35 Primary Immigrant: Weiss, Jacob Annotation: Date and place of declaration of intention or of naturalization. Extracted from Stark County Common Pleas Journals, on microfilm at the Stark County District Library. Page reference to original record is also provided. Source Bibliography: LANDIS, LAUREN K. Index to the Naturalization Records of Stark County, Ohio (1809-1852). Canton, OH: The Stark County District Library, 1994. 62p. Source Citation: Place: Ohio; Year: 1809-1852; Page Number: 58. B) New Orleans Passenger Lists, 1820-1945 Name: Jacob Weiss Jr. Arrival Date: 17 Jun 1835 Age: 19 Gender: Male Occupation: Mercantile Port of Departure: Louisville, KY Ship Name: Robert Adams Captain: William F. Martin, Master from Havana, Cuba Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana National Archives' Series Number: M259_13 Traveling w/ Jacob Weiss Sr., 47, also of Louisville, KY C) New York, 1820-1850 Passenger and Immigration Lists 1) Name: Jacob Weiss Arrival Date: Aug 29, 1846 Age: 34 Gender: U Port of Arrival: New York Port of Departure: Havre Place of Origin: Deutschland Ship: South Carolina Family Identification: 244150 Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Microfilm Roll Number: 63 2) Name: Jacob Weiss Arrival Date: May 11, 1846 Age: 32 Gender: M Port of Arrival: New York Port of Departure: Havre Place of Origin: Deutschland Ship: Iowa Family Identification: 117964 Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Microfilm Roll Number: 61 Name: George Geissler Arrival Date: Jul 5, 1839 Age: 11 Gender: M Port of Arrival: New York Port of Departure: Havre Place of Origin: Bavaria Occupation: Farmer Destination: United States of America Ship: Ship Baltimore Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Microfilm Roll Number: 39 List Number: 447 D) Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945 Name: Jacob Weiss Arrival Date: 7 Sep 1817 Port of Departure: Amsterdam, Netherlands Ship Name: Christopher Gore Master, Benjamin Beart? Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Microfilm Roll Number: M425_25 Source Citation: Roll: M425_25; Line: 53. New York Passenger Lists Name: Jacob Weiss Arrival Date: 29 Sep 1851 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Age: 37 Gender: Male Port of Departure: Le Havre, France Destination: United States of America Place of Origin: Preu?en Ship Name: Havre Port of Arrival: New York Line: 4 Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: 105 List Number: 1447 Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States Source Citation: Year: 1851; Arrival: New York , United States; Microfilm serial: M237; Microfilm roll: 105; Line: 4; List number: 1447.

The information I found was on Ancestry Family Tree under Flourney Family Tree. Jerrald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <jcflournoy2001@yahoo.co.uk> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello > Hi Jerrald, > > I appreciate the information and your time. Do you have any suggestions > for > tracing them back further? > > Thank you so much, > > Janet > > > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerrald > Lloyd > Sent: 12 October 2006 00:52 > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello > > 1850 census Indiana, Jefferson, Madison > George Geisler --age 44--farmer--Baden > Elenor wife--age 39---Baden > Sanatuis son --age 21 cooper--Bader----name hard to read > Victonia dau---age 17--Baden > Matheas son--age 16--farmer--Baden > Mary F. dau--age 12 --Ohio > George son---age 10--Ohio > Elizabeth dau--age 8--Ohio > Magaelane dau--age 6--Indiana > Frank Joseph son--3--Indiana > Catherine dau--age 11/12----Indiana > > Jerrald Lloyd > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Wolf Zscheile" <saxonyroots@charter.net> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello > > >> Hi Janet, >> >> thanks for having so much confidence in me.. ;-)) >> >> But it would be much better to ask questions like this the >> whole list.. Then you would have many more 'brains' to pick on.. >> >> Talk to you later, >> >> Wolf >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >>> Behalf Of Janet >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:22 PM >>> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [G-P-L] Hello >>> >>> >>> Hi Wolfe, >>> >>> >>> >>> I have started to continue the work my mother (Ruth Weis >>> Flournoy) did almost 20 years ago when she started looking >>> into the family tree. She died in 1993, too early to benefit >>> from all the information available on the web. I have been >>> trying to find when my German ancestors came over but haven't >>> found them on any of the free web sources. I have Jacob Weis >>> Sr coming over between his birth in Baden in 1816 and 1846 >>> when he married Francesca Eckert (born 05 Oct 1818 in Baden >>> or Bayern) in Ohio (their son's, Jacob Weis Jr, death >>> certificate listed her as Frances Von Eckert). I couldn't >>> find Frances either. Nor could I find the Geisler's >>> (Catherine Geisler, born 1849 in Indiana and her parents, >>> George & Eleanor, who came over from Baden between 1834 & 1838) >>> >>> >>> >>> I think I have exhausted the free web sites so want to know >>> which fee-paying sites or publications would be most >>> informative. I also have a friend near Munich who could do >>> some German language research if I knew the most productive >>> sites (in fact we are going to visit her this weekend). >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Janet Flourrnoy >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >>> of the message >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release >>> Date: 10/10/2006 >>> >>> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/471 - Release Date: >> 10/10/2006 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

1850 census Indiana, Jefferson, Madison George Geisler --age 44--farmer--Baden Elenor wife--age 39---Baden Sanatuis son --age 21 cooper--Bader----name hard to read Victonia dau---age 17--Baden Matheas son--age 16--farmer--Baden Mary F. dau--age 12 --Ohio George son---age 10--Ohio Elizabeth dau--age 8--Ohio Magaelane dau--age 6--Indiana Frank Joseph son--3--Indiana Catherine dau--age 11/12----Indiana Jerrald Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf Zscheile" <saxonyroots@charter.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello > Hi Janet, > > thanks for having so much confidence in me.. ;-)) > > But it would be much better to ask questions like this the > whole list.. Then you would have many more 'brains' to pick on.. > > Talk to you later, > > Wolf > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of Janet >> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:22 PM >> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [G-P-L] Hello >> >> >> Hi Wolfe, >> >> >> >> I have started to continue the work my mother (Ruth Weis >> Flournoy) did almost 20 years ago when she started looking >> into the family tree. She died in 1993, too early to benefit >> from all the information available on the web. I have been >> trying to find when my German ancestors came over but haven't >> found them on any of the free web sources. I have Jacob Weis >> Sr coming over between his birth in Baden in 1816 and 1846 >> when he married Francesca Eckert (born 05 Oct 1818 in Baden >> or Bayern) in Ohio (their son's, Jacob Weis Jr, death >> certificate listed her as Frances Von Eckert). I couldn't >> find Frances either. Nor could I find the Geisler's >> (Catherine Geisler, born 1849 in Indiana and her parents, >> George & Eleanor, who came over from Baden between 1834 & 1838) >> >> >> >> I think I have exhausted the free web sites so want to know >> which fee-paying sites or publications would be most >> informative. I also have a friend near Munich who could do >> some German language research if I knew the most productive >> sites (in fact we are going to visit her this weekend). >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Janet Flourrnoy >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release >> Date: 10/10/2006 >> >> > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/471 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jacob Raymond Weis Sr. Born --29 Dec 1816 Death 14 March 1885--Madison, Jefferson, Indiana Married France Von Eckert--3 May 1846--Hamilton, Ohio Children: Elizabeth b. 1848--Ohio Jacob Raymond Jr.---1849--Ohio Peter -----1852--Ohio Julia ----1854--Indiana Marilyn ---15 June 1861 Katie ----18 June 1863 Phillip ----22 Sept 1858 Jerrald Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf Zscheile" <saxonyroots@charter.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Hello > Hi Janet, > > thanks for having so much confidence in me.. ;-)) > > But it would be much better to ask questions like this the > whole list.. Then you would have many more 'brains' to pick on.. > > Talk to you later, > > Wolf > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >> Behalf Of Janet >> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:22 PM >> To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [G-P-L] Hello >> >> >> Hi Wolfe, >> >> >> >> I have started to continue the work my mother (Ruth Weis >> Flournoy) did almost 20 years ago when she started looking >> into the family tree. She died in 1993, too early to benefit >> from all the information available on the web. I have been >> trying to find when my German ancestors came over but haven't >> found them on any of the free web sources. I have Jacob Weis >> Sr coming over between his birth in Baden in 1816 and 1846 >> when he married Francesca Eckert (born 05 Oct 1818 in Baden >> or Bayern) in Ohio (their son's, Jacob Weis Jr, death >> certificate listed her as Frances Von Eckert). I couldn't >> find Frances either. Nor could I find the Geisler's >> (Catherine Geisler, born 1849 in Indiana and her parents, >> George & Eleanor, who came over from Baden between 1834 & 1838) >> >> >> >> I think I have exhausted the free web sites so want to know >> which fee-paying sites or publications would be most >> informative. I also have a friend near Munich who could do >> some German language research if I knew the most productive >> sites (in fact we are going to visit her this weekend). >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Janet Flourrnoy >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of the message >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release >> Date: 10/10/2006 >> >> > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/471 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Janet, thanks for having so much confidence in me.. ;-)) But it would be much better to ask questions like this the whole list.. Then you would have many more 'brains' to pick on.. Talk to you later, Wolf > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Janet > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:22 PM > To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [G-P-L] Hello > > > Hi Wolfe, > > > > I have started to continue the work my mother (Ruth Weis > Flournoy) did almost 20 years ago when she started looking > into the family tree. She died in 1993, too early to benefit > from all the information available on the web. I have been > trying to find when my German ancestors came over but haven't > found them on any of the free web sources. I have Jacob Weis > Sr coming over between his birth in Baden in 1816 and 1846 > when he married Francesca Eckert (born 05 Oct 1818 in Baden > or Bayern) in Ohio (their son's, Jacob Weis Jr, death > certificate listed her as Frances Von Eckert). I couldn't > find Frances either. Nor could I find the Geisler's > (Catherine Geisler, born 1849 in Indiana and her parents, > George & Eleanor, who came over from Baden between 1834 & 1838) > > > > I think I have exhausted the free web sites so want to know > which fee-paying sites or publications would be most > informative. I also have a friend near Munich who could do > some German language research if I knew the most productive > sites (in fact we are going to visit her this weekend). > > > > Thank you, > > Janet Flourrnoy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release > Date: 10/10/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/471 - Release Date: 10/10/2006

Hello Janet, It seems to me that you have a lot more research to do here in the US before you jump across the big pond. Remember, all records in Germany are kept at the local level and unless you know the name of the town that your ancestors came from you can forget about finding them over there. Your email does not provide clear information as to exactly who it is you are looking for. Your jumping from Indiana to Ohio without given any counties/townships or dates of birth for these people, making it extremely difficult for anyone wanting to help you. First it is important to find these people in a specific state/county/township and after you have established the family unity (with approx. dates of birth of children etc) you can then go on to try and find them on a passenger list. You're listing their name as 'WEIS' which in Germany was most likely written as WEISS; and what's up with the GEISLERs? How are they connected? If you can provide some detailed information you may not have to go with any fee-for-service site as there are enough volunteers (like me) out there willing to help. Ursula

Hi Wolfe, I have started to continue the work my mother (Ruth Weis Flournoy) did almost 20 years ago when she started looking into the family tree. She died in 1993, too early to benefit from all the information available on the web. I have been trying to find when my German ancestors came over but haven't found them on any of the free web sources. I have Jacob Weis Sr coming over between his birth in Baden in 1816 and 1846 when he married Francesca Eckert (born 05 Oct 1818 in Baden or Bayern) in Ohio (their son's, Jacob Weis Jr, death certificate listed her as Frances Von Eckert). I couldn't find Frances either. Nor could I find the Geisler's (Catherine Geisler, born 1849 in Indiana and her parents, George & Eleanor, who came over from Baden between 1834 & 1838) I think I have exhausted the free web sites so want to know which fee-paying sites or publications would be most informative. I also have a friend near Munich who could do some German language research if I knew the most productive sites (in fact we are going to visit her this weekend). Thank you, Janet Flourrnoy

Have you tried finding the churches through the LDS History Library near you? Bavaria is a large area but your best source is in church books. Perhaps the books in Indiana churches would be a good place to start. Some of our family's towns are listed beside their names in baptisms i. e. godparents and weddings. I understand the people at the LDS History library very helpful. Best Wishes

Hello List members! Many of you may be familiar with the "One Step" Webpages developed by Dr. Stephen P. Morse at http://www.stevemorse.org/ Just a few of the categories listed there are: -Ellis Island Search Forms and Ship Arrivals (1892-1924) -Castle Garden (and earlier) Search Forms and Ship Arrivals (1820-1891) -Other Ports of Immigration For those of you who may live in Central NY State you may be interested to know he will be lecturing in your area. One-Step Webpages: A Potpourri of Genealogical Search Tools Most Holy Rosary Church 111 Roberts Avenue Syracuse, NY Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7 - 9 pm Sponsored by the Irish American Cultural Institute of Central NY Cost: $7 for IACI members $10 for the General Public All are invited to attend!!! For more information please email: (IACIofCNYgenealogy@yahoo.com) Be sure to visit Steve's website at: http://stevemorse.org/index.html Steve's speaking topic will be "One-Step Webpages: a Potpourri of Genealogical Search Tools". His One-Step website started out as an aid for finding passengers in the Ellis Island database. Shortly afterward it was expanded to help with searching in the 1930 census. Over the years it has continued to evolve and today includes over 100 web-based tools divided into twelve separate categories ranging from genealogical searches to astronomical calculations to last-minute bidding on e-bay. This presentation will describe the range of tools available and give the highlights of each one. So now you have the scoop! Arrange your schedule, you won't want to miss meeting and listening to Stephen P. Morse in person!!! -NOTE- Steve will also be speaking in Pittsfield, MA on Monday, October 23, 2006 for the Friends of the Silvio O. Conte National Archives. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Wolf, As I mentioned in my previous email to Mary Dess, the German saying that accompanies the woodcut of a 16th century POGNER contains words that are no longer to be found in any dictionary Wiki or otherwise. I have copied the text and sent it to the Wiki translator and I'm curious to find out what the results are. Here is my version of the translation: A good cross-bow I can make The columns I decorate diligently Covered with flowers/snow white leg With ???? or steel bows On top of that wind threads and a ???? That cannot be easily separated To be sure to meet the target The art Syrus we enjoy. I hope we can now put this subject to rest. Ursula Wolf Zscheile wrote: > Hi Ursula, > > what about a translation for our WIKI ?? > > Wouldn't that be a nice 'challenge' for you ?? > > Have a nice weekend, > > Wolf [Zscheile] > > ******************************************** > > Visit our homepage with ALL the latest NEWS > > http://www.saxonyroots.com > > ******************************************** > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com >>[mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On >>Behalf Of Mary Ann Dess >>Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:24 AM >>To: ubatrans@klondyke.net; germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? >> >> >>URSULA, >>I have been unable to find anyone to translate what is >>written on the page >>you sent me. WIKI etc. Can you read German? Wish I could. >>If you can >>help, thanks in advance. Mary >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> >>To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:32 AM >>Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? >> >> >> >>>Hello Mary, >>>The English definition of the historical occupation of Bogner or >>>Pogner is >>>"archer". >>>For additional information you may want to view the woodcut of a >>>Pogner/Bogner at >>>http://wiki.genealogy.net/wiki/Bogner >>> >>>You say you can't find out where Xavier Dess died? In what >>>state/county/township did he >>>settle after his arrival? >>> >>> >>>Ursula. >>> >>> >>>Mary Ann Dess wrote: >>> >>>>A big thanks to you. I will try to track that villate >> >>down now. This >> >>>>man >>>>is the family mystery. No on can find out when the poor >> >>soul died. >> >>>>Mary >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: <mcgoverntt01886@comcast.net> >>>>To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >>>>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:15 PM >>>>Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Poyner is a German name perhaps it is a village. There is >> >>a Poyner >> >>>>>township in Germany. Google. >>>>>-- >>> >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> >>'unsubscribe' >> >>>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >>of the message >> >>-- >>No virus found in this incoming message. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release >>Date: 10/6/2006 >> >> > >

dlks wrote: > Mary Ann > > Have you tried this group ... http://wiki.genealogy.net/wiki/Transserv > ... ? > > Dick > > > researching SCHWEISS, MEIER, SCHMIDT / SCHMITT > Visit my website at: > http://www.harbornet.com/folks/dick/SchweissFamilyHistory2.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ann Dess" <madess@adelphia.net> > To: <ubatrans@klondyke.net>; <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:23 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? > > > >> URSULA, >> I have been unable to find anyone to translate what is written on the page >> you sent me. WIKI etc. Can you read German? Wish I could. If you can >> help, thanks in advance. Mary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> >> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? >> >> >> >>> Hello Mary, >>> The English definition of the historical occupation of Bogner or Pogner >>> is >>> "archer". >>> For additional information you may want to view the woodcut of a >>> Pogner/Bogner at >>> http://wiki.genealogy.net/wiki/Bogner >>> >>> You say you can't find out where Xavier Dess died? In what >>> state/county/township did he >>> settle after his arrival? >>> >>> >>> Ursula. >>> >>> >>> Mary Ann Dess wrote: >>> >>>> A big thanks to you. I will try to track that villate down now. This >>>> man >>>> is the family mystery. No on can find out when the poor soul died. >>>> Mary >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: <mcgoverntt01886@comcast.net> >>>> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:15 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Poyner is a German name perhaps it is a village. There is a Poyner >>>>> township in Germany. Google. >>>>> -- >>>>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Hi, Yes I did see this but unfortunately do not recognize any word but welcome. I did not see an English site on there. HELP ! Mary

Hi Ursula, what about a translation for our WIKI ?? Wouldn't that be a nice 'challenge' for you ?? Have a nice weekend, Wolf [Zscheile] ******************************************** Visit our homepage with ALL the latest NEWS http://www.saxonyroots.com ******************************************** > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Mary Ann Dess > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 1:24 AM > To: ubatrans@klondyke.net; germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? > > > URSULA, > I have been unable to find anyone to translate what is > written on the page > you sent me. WIKI etc. Can you read German? Wish I could. > If you can > help, thanks in advance. Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? > > > > Hello Mary, > > The English definition of the historical occupation of Bogner or > > Pogner is > > "archer". > > For additional information you may want to view the woodcut of a > > Pogner/Bogner at > > http://wiki.genealogy.net/wiki/Bogner > > > > You say you can't find out where Xavier Dess died? In what > > state/county/township did he > > settle after his arrival? > > > > > > Ursula. > > > > > > Mary Ann Dess wrote: > >> A big thanks to you. I will try to track that villate > down now. This > >> man > >> is the family mystery. No on can find out when the poor > soul died. > >> Mary > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <mcgoverntt01886@comcast.net> > >> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:15 PM > >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? > >> > >> > >> > >>>Poyner is a German name perhaps it is a village. There is > a Poyner > >>>township in Germany. Google. > >>>-- > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the message > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release > Date: 10/6/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.0/465 - Release Date: 10/6/2006

Mary, As for this web site ... http://wiki.genealogy.net/wiki/Transserv compose your e-mail like this ... To: trans@genealogienetz.de Subject: #GER>ENG Be sure to include the subject line exactly as written above, inclusive of those symbols. Then write in English whatever it is you are requesting help for. After you send your message you will receive an automatic reply back to you in the English language with further information. I hope that will help! Regards, Kathleen --- Kenneth Dess wrote: Mary Ann Have you tried this group ... http://wiki.genealogy.net/wiki/Transserv Dick ____________________ Yes I did see this but unfortunately do not recognize any word but welcome. I did not see an English site on there. HELP ! Mary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

URSULA, I have been unable to find anyone to translate what is written on the page you sent me. WIKI etc. Can you read German? Wish I could. If you can help, thanks in advance. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? > Hello Mary, > The English definition of the historical occupation of Bogner or Pogner is > "archer". > For additional information you may want to view the woodcut of a > Pogner/Bogner at > http://wiki.genealogy.net/wiki/Bogner > > You say you can't find out where Xavier Dess died? In what > state/county/township did he > settle after his arrival? > > > Ursula. > > > Mary Ann Dess wrote: >> A big thanks to you. I will try to track that villate down now. This >> man >> is the family mystery. No on can find out when the poor soul died. Mary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <mcgoverntt01886@comcast.net> >> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? >> >> >> >>>Poyner is a German name perhaps it is a village. There is a Poyner >>>township in Germany. Google. >>>-- > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary Ann Have you tried this group ... http://wiki.genealogy.net/wiki/Transserv ... ? Dick researching SCHWEISS, MEIER, SCHMIDT / SCHMITT Visit my website at: http://www.harbornet.com/folks/dick/SchweissFamilyHistory2.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Dess" <madess@adelphia.net> To: <ubatrans@klondyke.net>; <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? > URSULA, > I have been unable to find anyone to translate what is written on the page > you sent me. WIKI etc. Can you read German? Wish I could. If you can > help, thanks in advance. Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> > To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 1:32 AM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? > > >> Hello Mary, >> The English definition of the historical occupation of Bogner or Pogner >> is >> "archer". >> For additional information you may want to view the woodcut of a >> Pogner/Bogner at >> http://wiki.genealogy.net/wiki/Bogner >> >> You say you can't find out where Xavier Dess died? In what >> state/county/township did he >> settle after his arrival? >> >> >> Ursula. >> >> >> Mary Ann Dess wrote: >>> A big thanks to you. I will try to track that villate down now. This >>> man >>> is the family mystery. No on can find out when the poor soul died. >>> Mary >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <mcgoverntt01886@comcast.net> >>> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [G-P-L] TOWN IN BAVERIA? >>> >>> >>> >>>>Poyner is a German name perhaps it is a village. There is a Poyner >>>>township in Germany. Google. >>>>-- >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am trying to find a passenger ship listing for Eva Kuckenberg. She was born in about 1875 and lived in Wisconsin. Gretchen

10-08-06 Hi Ursula, I do not know the name of the ship. I know that he married Anna Gruber also from S. Bavaria on July 31, 1854 at St. Michael's in Buffalo, NY . They had one child Mary there and then moved to Clarion, PA.where they had more children. Nothing in newspapers, obits have their town, village or city. Martin Meisinger probably a cousin was a witness to their wedding. He also lived eventually in Clarion.I have a copy of their naturalization papers and Martin's passenger list. There is nothing on them except Germany and Bavaria. The National Archives searched twice and found nothing. Maybe they left from Hamburg. I am not near an LDS library. I have been looking for their place of origin for over 30 years. I noticed that their are records of the Buffalo Catholic Churches but I do not know how to access them. Can't research any further back than 1814 for Johann Meisinger. Fr. Sam's in Buffalo said that it did list Johann's parents as Joseph and Catherine Schmidtbauer Meisinger. He didn't have a record of Mary's baptism Thank you for your email. Della M. Meisinger >From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> >Reply-To: ubatrans@klondyke.net, germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Johann Meisinger >Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 14:34:49 -0400 > >Hello Della, >You wrote that you have not been able to find mor info on Johann Meisinger >wo arrived in NY >on July 18 1854. Do you know the name of the ship? >Also, exactly what kind of info are you looking for? Info in the US or in >Germany? > >Ursula > >Della Meisinger wrote: > > 10-08-06 > > > > Hi Everyone, > > Finally have DSL. Still unable to find more information on John/Johann > > Meisinger who arrived in the port of NY on July 18, 1854. I did come >across > > a Lawrence Herman married to Barbara Meisinger both born in 1816 with a >son > > Joseph A. Herman who arrived in 1859 according to census film. I >haven't > > been able to find them on any passenger list. They settled in Clarion >as > > did the John and Anna Gruber Meisinger. I think that Barbara coul be a > > sister of John as he was born in 1814 in Bavaria as was Lawrence, >Barbara > > and Joseph. Hope someone can help. Love receiving emails. > > Della Meisinger > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Della, You wrote that you have not been able to find mor info on Johann Meisinger wo arrived in NY on July 18 1854. Do you know the name of the ship? Also, exactly what kind of info are you looking for? Info in the US or in Germany? Ursula Della Meisinger wrote: > 10-08-06 > > Hi Everyone, > Finally have DSL. Still unable to find more information on John/Johann > Meisinger who arrived in the port of NY on July 18, 1854. I did come across > a Lawrence Herman married to Barbara Meisinger both born in 1816 with a son > Joseph A. Herman who arrived in 1859 according to census film. I haven't > been able to find them on any passenger list. They settled in Clarion as > did the John and Anna Gruber Meisinger. I think that Barbara coul be a > sister of John as he was born in 1814 in Bavaria as was Lawrence, Barbara > and Joseph. Hope someone can help. Love receiving emails. > Della Meisinger >