I have a document in German of great grandparents which I would apprreciate help in locating "Ottensen Luthern Church" or any information on the individuals, their immigration, family or if there are any relatives in "Ottensen" Thanks for any help. Emile "Register 1874 page 505 No. 17 On the Fifteenth day of February in Eighteen Hundred Seventy Four /: 1874 February 15:/ in the Protestant Lutheran Church here in Ottensen, the glass maker in Ottensen Gustav Friedrich Wilhelm Francke, legal son of the fire tender to the glass maker Johannes Kristian Francke and of Friedrike Wilhelmine Caroline Ne: Arndt in America was married to his bride Anna Maria Wilms in Ottensen, the legal daughter of a workman Johann Wilms and Margaretha Ne Wehlen The bridegroom is 25 years old and was born on the 6th of November 1849 and the bride was born 9th of February 1854 Main Rectory of Ottensen 20 November 1880 1 Mark 80 Ferlings In the best of Knowlwedge -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wolf Zscheile Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:46 PM To: ubatrans@klondyke.net; germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Where is the mail? Hi Ursula, your email came in alright, but it looks like that you have problems on 'your' end.. Whenever you are not to sure about this, check with the archive: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS/ and we had at least a few messages every day... > I don't even receive any junk mail! ;-)) you might be one of the lucky ones.. Have a nice day, Wolf > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Ursula B. Adamson > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:26 PM > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: [G-P-L] Where is the mail? > > > Hello Wolf, > I'm curious why I have not received any mail in a couple of > days and I'm wondering if there is something wrong my > inbox...I don't even receive any junk mail! Please, someone > respond so that I know that everything is working ok! > > Ursula from Michigan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 11/14/2006 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, and as always your comments are very clear and precise Once again, thank you for your expertise..... Tricia M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf Zscheile" <saxonyroots@charter.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Archive question > Hi Tricia, > >> You stated, "Whenever you are not to sure about not getting >> msgs., check with the archive: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS/ >> > >> I have assumed that we can go directly to www.rootsweb.com >> and then scroll down to "Mailing Lists" and going to whatever lists we > are >> looking for and get this information there. Is this correct? > > Well, yes AND no.. > > This depends on the list administrator, whether the archive is open to the > public or not. If it is NOT open, then only list subcribers are able to > visit the > archive. But in my opinion, we have nothing to hide and everyone should be > able to see what we are doing... > >> I have also assumed that the "Message Boards" are different info. > > Yes, the message boards are an entirely different thing.. > Our 'saxony' list has a message board and the messages are being > 'gate wayed' to the list. However, this is only a 'one way' road, the > messages > to the board also show up in the mailing lists, but the messages to the > list > do NOT show up on the message board. > > This can be quite confusing sometimes, when a message from the board > shows up on the list and you just hit the 'reply' button.. The original > poster > to the board will never get your answer... > > Our GPL list doesn't have a messageboard and I do not know if it is > worthwhile to get one... > Any suggestions ??? > > Does this answer your questions ?? > > Thanks for asking and have a nice evening, > > Wolf > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 11/14/2006 > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Where is the mail? > Hello Wolf, > I'm curious why I have not received any mail in a couple of days and I'm > wondering if there > is something wrong my inbox...I don't even receive any junk mail! > Please, someone respond so that I know that everything is working ok! > > Ursula from Michigan I know it is sometimes a blessing. but sometimes your server is having problems and there are no messages for a while. A blessing?? Yup kinda like when I mention that having been married for 43 years, a little hearing loss is a blessing. Did this get thru? Ralph > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Apologies to the list. I got this message after the first one that was to the list. I couldn't tell what Ursula's address was on the other e-mail, which was to the list, so I didn't see how to reply to her directly. Sorry about that. Cecelia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B. Adamson" > Hello Wolf, > I'm curious why I have not received any mail in a couple of days and I'm > wondering if there > is something wrong my inbox...I don't even receive any junk mail! > Please, someone respond so that I know that everything is working ok! > > Ursula from Michigan >

I've been having trouble with my internet for a while, myself, Ursula. You might want to call your ISP or tech support because it could be on their end. Yesterday, my daughter went to our cable company and told them what my computer had been doing. (She had to go return a cable box.) They said that the new company that bought Cox, Sudden Link, has been working on the lines, servers, etc., so the cable has been on and off. Also, they said that my cable modem is really old, so I bought a new one. The first one I had only lasted until a few days after the 1 year warranty was up. In '04, I bought a used cable modem, with the same 1 year warranty. So, I guess mine was about due to go out. They told me to hook up the new modem today, as the cable would be off last night. I'm waiting until my grandson comes home from school, so he can help me! I was sure that I had broken something, but I guess it isn't me after all! The lights on my cable modem would go off; for several days, I got the same messages I had just deleted the day before; and after a short while on the computer (just long enough to read the e-mails and delete the junk), I would get messages that a timeout had occured and it couldn't find the server. So, I would unplug the computer for a while, then it started working again-just long enough to read through and delete junk. Everytime I got started doing anything that would take a little while, off it would go again. The worst thing was losing all the messages in my inbox that I was saving for the past 3 years. (I had deleted the ones I didn't need to save.) All I did was click the little X at the top corner of the page, to close the page, and all my messages disappeared! I've just been sick about that. If the new modem doesn't help, I guess I am going to be forced to call tech support. ( I hate to do that. I want a person right there to show me-and fix it if I don't know what they are talking about! I hate to talk on the phone, especially about something I don't know what I am talking about-or what the other person is saying!) Hope this helps. I just wanted to let you know that it could be your ISP instead of the list, etc. Cecelia in Texas > Hi Ursula, > > your email came in alright, but it looks like that you have problems > on 'your' end.. > Whenever you are not to sure about this, check with the archive: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS/ > > and we had at least a few messages every day... > >> I don't even receive any junk mail! > > ;-)) you might be one of the lucky ones.. > > Have a nice day, > > Wolf > >> Behalf Of Ursula B. Adamson >> >> >> Hello Wolf, >> I'm curious why I have not received any mail in a couple of >> days and I'm wondering if there is something wrong my >> inbox...I don't even receive any junk mail! Please, someone >> respond so that I know that everything is working ok! >> >> Ursula from Michigan >

I got my test message to Ursala back also. Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bbfritch@aol.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Where is the mail? ( For Ursula) > Ursala, I sent you a personal e-mail saying I read the one you sent to > the > list...I got it back > >>>> RCPT To:<ubatrans@klondyke.net> > <<< 552 5.2.2 User's mailbox is full > 554 <ubatrans@klondyke.net>... Service unavailable > > Betty > FL > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Wolfe, I have a question that others, regardless of the "lists" they are on, might find informative. You stated, "Whenever you are not to sure about not getting msgs., check with the archive: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS/ I have assumed that we can go directly to www.rootsweb.com and then scroll down to "Mailing Lists" and going to whatever lists we are looking for and get this information there. Is this correct? I have also assumed that the "Message Boards" are different info. The advantage I see in belonging to the "Lists" is the addtional expertise that would not be easily located by searching the archives. Also the inability to ask and get advice from experts like you. Just thought I would double check my assumption and maybe inform others of the correct answer. By the way, thanks to all the experts, like you. who educate me more and more with every msg. Tricia M.

Hi Terie: Sorry I didn't get to your message sooner, thanks for responding. My mother (Minnie SCHMIDT) was born on Jaluit in 1916 and came to San Francisco in 1922. I knew her grandmother (Mary FOLIET) was a full-blooded islander (from the Carolines) and her grandfather, Capt. REIHER (as well as her father, Capt. SCHMIDT) was a German ship's captain. I'd been searching for the REIHER family for years and finally found them in 2001. In 2003, my daughter and I spent five weeks in the South Pacific (Fiji, New Zealand, Majuro, and Hawaii) visiting hundreds of relatives (several on each island). This past July, 144 of us came from all over the world (including Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Kiribati and Kwajalein) to meet in Fiji for a fantastic reunion. I did a genealogy presentation and people really enjoyed seeing their long-lost relatives -- it was great! Although our plane landed on Kwajalein in 2003, we never got off the plane. In fact, the only people getting off were students going to Ebeye for the Xmas holiday! Unfortunately we didn't get out to Jaluit or Ebon, two of the islands I would love to have seen; my mother told me about them. The plane only goes once a week -- if you are lucky! In any event, I'm so glad to have found my German sea captains -- now I will search for Capt. Reiher's family in Flensburg, Germany. Enough of my tale. If you have any pictures or tales of the islands, I would love to see or hear about them. Thanks again for your e-mail. Bev Colgin (moll1942@aol.com) mainly researching Brünjes, Hoffmeister, Moll, Mook, Reiher, Renken and Utz families.

Ursula, Just testing for your email box. I still am havingtrouble with finding Josef Kaes from Wurtzburg Bavaria. He was born in 1881. His father and grandfather were also Josef Kaes. His mother's name was Kathering Tripplespur. Bob Kaes -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ursula B. Adamson Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:26 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: [G-P-L] Where is the mail? Hello Wolf, I'm curious why I have not received any mail in a couple of days and I'm wondering if there is something wrong my inbox...I don't even receive any junk mail! Please, someone respond so that I know that everything is working ok! Ursula from Michigan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Wolf, I'm curious why I have not received any mail in a couple of days and I'm wondering if there is something wrong my inbox...I don't even receive any junk mail! Please, someone respond so that I know that everything is working ok! Ursula from Michigan

Hi Ursula, your email came in alright, but it looks like that you have problems on 'your' end.. Whenever you are not to sure about this, check with the archive: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS/ and we had at least a few messages every day... > I don't even receive any junk mail! ;-)) you might be one of the lucky ones.. Have a nice day, Wolf > -----Original Message----- > From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Ursula B. Adamson > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:26 PM > To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com > Subject: [G-P-L] Where is the mail? > > > Hello Wolf, > I'm curious why I have not received any mail in a couple of > days and I'm wondering if there is something wrong my > inbox...I don't even receive any junk mail! Please, someone > respond so that I know that everything is working ok! > > Ursula from Michigan -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 11/14/2006

I got your email ok ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:25 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Where is the mail? > Hello Wolf, > I'm curious why I have not received any mail in a couple of days and I'm wondering if there > is something wrong my inbox...I don't even receive any junk mail! > Please, someone respond so that I know that everything is working ok! > > Ursula from Michigan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings, Ancestry is touting its additions and giving us a month of free usage. That has been helpful to me and I have found a number of people. However.....are there yet ships not listed? My grandmother Cresczenz Amberger came to the USA early in 1904. On May 14, 1904 she married shortly thereafter to Michael Raith. I have run her name in many different ways. Last night I learned that one does not need the last name. Run the first name and the ship name and "aha." Well, there has been no "aha" for me. Obviously in dealing with millions of names and thousands of ship voyages one could be misplaced. Or.....are there some not yet digitalized? C L Bischoff

Hello Jane, If you want help you must provide full names and dates!! Ursula Jane Rasmussen wrote: > Hello, For some time I have been unable to find a grandmother on a > ship list who was married in Wisconsin by a Lutheran minister in Nov. > 1892. I have usually considered she came over on her maiden name,

Hello, For some time I have been unable to find a grandmother on a ship list who was married in Wisconsin by a Lutheran minister in Nov. 1892. I have usually considered she came over on her maiden name, however, this discussion makes me think she may have married in Germany prior to hubands trip over (civil ceremony) and came over under a married name. Future husband came over in 1887,destination in WI being where his parents resided. The Wisconsin birth (alive) of the first child was in 1894 that I am aware of. Adding to this confusion is that their first names are August and Augusta and their birth years are the same. Thank you all for clarifying the legality of german marriages. Jane On Jun 5, 2006, at 1:02 AM, GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > In Germany the LEGAL marriage is performed at the Town Hall. After > that a > couple may or may not choose to have a church wedding. I know a German > minister who was legally married and several months later there was the > church wedding. That seemed a bit strange to me. In Germany a > clergyman > has no authority to legally marry a couple. > > - > > To add to the "confusion" on this ... it was ( is? ) the custom in > Germany that a couple coulf not get a "civil" marriage license / > certificate until they ( the man ) could prove financial > responsibility ... they might be able to have a "church wedding", but > would not be "legally" married as far as civil authority was > concerned.In Germany the LEGAL marriage is performed at the Town Hall. > After that a >> >> EKH >> >> >> >> >> > > ______________________________ > > > Greetings to all, > > In the USA marriage laws are not consistent between the states as far > as who > can marry (first cousins cannot in Wisconsin unless the woman is 55) > and how > young (a couple states allow 14 years). And there is more. > > 2) we have some people who request a church wedding because the judge > or the > justice of the peace is not available when and where they want to get > married and he / she sometimes charges more than the priest or pastor. > I have no > fee for members or non members of the church. > > > 4) Secularization of records and the Standesamt in Germany began around > 1874. That is when the marriages had to be done by the Registrar and > the church > ceremony became optional. > > 5) Best to all of you > Cliff Bischoff (Lutheran Clergyman) > >

Where is this index located? Bev in Saskatoon ----- Original Message ----- From: <Bishlark@aol.com> To: <WayneStraight@mail.rootsweb.com>; <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Cc: <prclbischoff@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Fung Raith & Kreszenz Amberger > In a message dated 11/12/2006 10:53:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, > woichi01@comcast.net writes: > > Hi Clifford; > > Have you looked at the passenger list for the ship "Main" arriving > Baltimore in Sep 1902? The index has a Therese Amberger listed, but the > > Thanks > > A very good lead... > > But...grandmother was born in 1884 and was married in 1904 at the age of > 20 > very shortly after her arrival in USA. > > Thanks > > C L Bischoff > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.4/532 - Release Date: 11/13/2006

>From Joe Beine, web master and compiler of http://www.germanroots.com Hello All, Ancestry is offering free access (with registration) to their recently updated online ship passenger lists and immigration records collection from November 9-30, 2006. This includes their newly updated New York passenger lists database, which now covers 1820-1957. For details see: http://genrootsblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/ancestrys-immigration- collection-free.html If that URL is too long or divided start here: http://genrootsblog.blogspot.com/ Feel free to share this with any genealogy mailing lists you are subscribed to. Happy searching. Regards, Joe (Beine) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

In a message dated 11/12/2006 10:53:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, woichi01@comcast.net writes: Hi Clifford; Have you looked at the passenger list for the ship "Main" arriving Baltimore in Sep 1902? The index has a Therese Amberger listed, but the Thanks A very good lead... But...grandmother was born in 1884 and was married in 1904 at the age of 20 very shortly after her arrival in USA. Thanks C L Bischoff

Hi Clifford; Have you looked at the passenger list for the ship "Main" arriving Baltimore in Sep 1902? The index has a Therese Amberger listed, but the handwriting is execrable and that leading T may actually be a K. Details below. Cheers, Masugu Baltimore Passenger Lists, 1820-1948 Name: Therese Amberger Arrival Date: Sep 1902 Age: 14 Years 0 Months Years Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888 Gender: Female Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany Ship Name: Main Port of Arrival: Baltimore, MD Destination: St Louis, MO Name of Relative in US: J Amberger, 2115 ?Bairy? Ave, St. Louis MO Passage paid for by: Uncle Last Residence: Beitenstem Microfilm Roll Number: 31 Page: 88

Hi Cecelia; I suspect that the ship's name was "Admiral". There was a Bremen Ship by that name extant during the 1860's and 70's. A picture/description of the ship can be found at: www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/ Cheers, Masugu