Hello Marie and Julie, If you are members of Ancestry.com, you can find both the Civil War Records and the Civil War Pension Index - General Index to Pension Files 1861-1934 on line. Here's the scoop: The Civil War Records are used to determine which Military Unit/Company/State/Union/Confederate your ancestor served in. Once you have this info jotted down, you move to the General Index to Pension Files 1861-1934. Mind you all this is preliminary data gathering in preparation of getting a copy of everything that is in the PENSION FILE. I used "John Hornung" as my test object. When I entered "John Hornung" 2 men by the same name came up, one was from Michigan with a wife named 'Barbara', the other one was from New Jersey with a wife named Solome. I then clicked on the John Hornung from Michigan: The image that comes up provides the following information: Name: Hornung, John ......Widow: Hornung, Barbara ......Co. F 10 Illinois Inf. ......Co. A 4 U.d.R.C. Ill. Inf. (difficult to read) Date of files: 1890 Sep 12 - Filed by Invalid (this would be John)Application No. 822363 Certificate: 676231, State in which filed: Michigan 1921 Apr 2 - Filed by Widow (Barbara) Application No. 1172303 Certificate: 911.845, State in which filed: Michigan ............ Filed by Minor - blank What this example tells us is that John Hornung filed for his Civil War pension on 12 Sep 1890 under the aforementioned application number; Apparently, John Hornung died on or prior to April 2, 1921, as this is the date on which his wife Barbara filed for pension benefits due to her, following the death of her husband. Had there also been a minor child, his name and application number would have been listed on the line where it says "Filed by Minor", which in this case is left blank. It is these PENSION FILES that you want to order from the NARA as they contain letters written by John when he applied for his pension and letters written by Barbara stating that her hsuband has died and that she now is entitled to her husbands benefits. In these files is where you find much personal family information, photos, statements from neighbors or relatives, etc. You need the Military Service Records only to determine details about his military service. Now, if you tell me the names of your Hornung/Horning ancestors and their wives, and whether they served on the Union or Confederate side, and in which State/County they lived/served, I may be able to get you the application numbers from the Pension files available on-line. I've tried to write this as clearly as I could, if you still have questions, please feel free to contact me. Ursula from Michigan Marie Van Laeys wrote: > Hello Julie > I saw your post on John Hornung (civil war info). Where did your John live > during the civil war. My gggrand father was John or Johannas Hornung living > in Schuylkill County PA. He died in 1862 but the tomb stone is very badly > worn and I can't make out the month. His last daughter was born in 1862 > (Pauline). He was born in 1823 and came to the US in 1844 on the ship Rose > into New York City. The spelling seems to go from Horning to Hornung from

Thank you for your input. I have two civil war cards with possibilities: 1) Horning, Alois H-173 PDM 4 - 1208 this card was followed by a brother of my grandfather: Horning Henry B-2A 3 - 1075 2) was for Horning, John E-3 Inf.Mil.'62 5 - 1154. Although his first name was Joannas his middle initial was A and his wife was Marie Margarette Theresa Reinhardt. I have no idea of what the numbers stand for if you can help I thank you very much. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Civil War Pension Records > Hello Marie and Julie, > If you are members of Ancestry.com, you can find both the Civil War > Records and the Civil > War Pension Index - General Index to Pension Files 1861-1934 on line. > Here's the scoop: > The Civil War Records are used to determine which Military > Unit/Company/State/Union/Confederate your ancestor served in. Once you > have this info jotted > down, you move to the General Index to Pension Files 1861-1934. > Mind you all this is preliminary data gathering in preparation of getting > a copy of > everything that is in the PENSION FILE. > I used "John Hornung" as my test object. > When I entered "John Hornung" 2 men by the same name came up, one was from > Michigan with a > wife named 'Barbara', the other one was from New Jersey with a wife named > Solome. > I then clicked on the John Hornung from Michigan: > The image that comes up provides the following information: > Name: Hornung, John > ......Widow: Hornung, Barbara > ......Co. F 10 Illinois Inf. > ......Co. A 4 U.d.R.C. Ill. Inf. (difficult to read) > Date of files: > 1890 Sep 12 - Filed by Invalid (this would be John)Application No. 822363 > Certificate: 676231, State in which filed: Michigan > 1921 Apr 2 - Filed by Widow (Barbara) Application No. 1172303 > Certificate: 911.845, State in which filed: Michigan > ............ Filed by Minor - blank > > What this example tells us is that John Hornung filed for his Civil War > pension on 12 Sep > 1890 under the aforementioned application number; > Apparently, John Hornung died on or prior to April 2, 1921, as this is the > date on which his > wife Barbara filed for pension benefits due to her, following the death of > her husband. > Had there also been a minor child, his name and application number would > have been listed on > the line where it says "Filed by Minor", which in this case is left blank. > > It is these PENSION FILES that you want to order from the NARA as they > contain letters > written by John when he applied for his pension and letters written by > Barbara stating that > her hsuband has died and that she now is entitled to her husbands > benefits. In these files > is where you find much personal family information, photos, statements > from neighbors or > relatives, etc. > You need the Military Service Records only to determine details about his > military service. > > Now, if you tell me the names of your Hornung/Horning ancestors and their > wives, and whether > they served on the Union or Confederate side, and in which State/County > they lived/served, I > may be able to get you the application numbers from the Pension files > available on-line. > > I've tried to write this as clearly as I could, if you still have > questions, please feel > free to contact me. > > Ursula from Michigan > > > > Marie Van Laeys wrote: >> Hello Julie >> I saw your post on John Hornung (civil war info). Where did your John >> live >> during the civil war. My gggrand father was John or Johannas Hornung >> living >> in Schuylkill County PA. He died in 1862 but the tomb stone is very >> badly >> worn and I can't make out the month. His last daughter was born in 1862 >> (Pauline). He was born in 1823 and came to the US in 1844 on the ship >> Rose >> into New York City. The spelling seems to go from Horning to Hornung >> from > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankyou Ursual, first lead I have had so far. Maree Ganley >From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> >Reply-To: ubatrans@klondyke.net, germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [G-P-L] *****SPAM***** Vic Simpson - Rockahmpton connection >Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 07:42:36 -0500 > >Hello Maree, >When I read 'Grorock' I can't help but think that this surname was >'Graurock' (Gray Coat). > >Ursula > >Maree Ganley wrote: > > Vic, > > I too am searching for German g, g, grandfather married in Rockhampton >1863. > > His name was Peter Grorock. No sons. No idea where in Germany he came >from > > or how he arrived here. > > I suspect Grorock may be an angelsised version. > > > > > > > > Maree Ganley > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Looking to expand your DVD collection? Go to www.tradingpost.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Etradingpost%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fbrowse%2FEntertainment%2DElectronics%2FDVDs%2DCDs%2DVideos%2DRecords%2DTapes%2Floc%5FlocRZSQregtAVSCdistRZSQAVSCstateRZSQ9AVSCregRZSQ%5Fns%5FTrue%5Foff%5F0%5Fsqt%5F1%5Fstpg%5F0%5F%3Freferrer%3Dplace1&_t=758874129&_r=emailtagline_nov&_m=EXT

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Hello Julie I saw your post on John Hornung (civil war info). Where did your John live during the civil war. My gggrand father was John or Johannas Hornung living in Schuylkill County PA. He died in 1862 but the tomb stone is very badly worn and I can't make out the month. His last daughter was born in 1862 (Pauline). He was born in 1823 and came to the US in 1844 on the ship Rose into New York City. The spelling seems to go from Horning to Hornung from one record to another. By the time my great grand father moved to Philadelphia it was Horning. One researcher who did some work thought he died in a mining accident but I felt it being so close to the beginning of the Civil War it might be due to the war. I couldn't find John on the 1860 census but I believe his wife was living on a farm with relative in 1860. This is part of the reason I think he might have served in the civil war. I also found a listing but without (card file) with only number's listed which I am not able to decipher what it means. I know he couldn't have paid someone to serve for him as he was not a rich man. Can we compare your information to mine? Marie Van Laeys ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie" <juls92627@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Civil War question - pensions > Okay - I have a question. I am trying to find John Horning/Hornung's > civil war info - not his muster info, but the paperwork he filled out for > next of kin, etc. Was there such a thing? I've ask NARA to look him up - > and I mistakenly ordered the military history, which is just a copy of the > slips of paper saying he was at muster, had a horse and gets paid, etc. I > then tried to order the genealogist version of the pension, but got told > that they couldn't find it. Could this mean that he died before he filed > his pension? If so where can I look for this info? shouldn't they be > somewhere in the Civil War files? > > > --------------------------------- > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate > new house payment > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

do NOT order the Compiled Military Service File! I ordered 2 of them, thinking I had hit pay dirt and they were both the same, just pages and pages of copies of roll call, nothing on parents, next of kin, birth, etc. Try ordering the Pension Packet for 14.95 Julie Ursula, I suggest you order his civil war records from NARA --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.

Okay - I have a question. I am trying to find John Horning/Hornung's civil war info - not his muster info, but the paperwork he filled out for next of kin, etc. Was there such a thing? I've ask NARA to look him up - and I mistakenly ordered the military history, which is just a copy of the slips of paper saying he was at muster, had a horse and gets paid, etc. I then tried to order the genealogist version of the pension, but got told that they couldn't find it. Could this mean that he died before he filed his pension? If so where can I look for this info? shouldn't they be somewhere in the Civil War files? --------------------------------- Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $420,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new house payment

Hello Evelyn, Your story about Joseph Keller from Switzerland intrigues me. As you may know, the Swiss are the most peace loving people on earth. They have always been neutral and never fought in a war. I'm truly surprised to see that not only your Joseph but several other of his countrymen have fought in the civil war, on either side. I understand having fought on the Union side but on the Confederate side? There is something strange going on on the 1850 census in Shelby Co, specifically with some of the children and the older woman, who go by the name of Baumgaertner [of course the census taker wrote "Bum...something]. Have you been able to shed some light on these family members? Also, I have not been able to find Elizabeth and her children on the 1870 or 1880 census. Have you been able to check the 1894 State Census regard CW Soldiers, Sailors, Pensioners, Widows and Orphans? This census [at least in Michigan] gives the name of the surviving spouse and if she remarried, the surname of her second husband. For example, what happened to son Henry Keller who apprenticed to be a saddler? Where did you get the info that Joseph died in 1864? Just curious. Evelyn Wicke wrote: > Reading other's query regarding Civil War rank of ancestor. My Joseph > Keller immigrated from Switzerland via Germany, I believe. He show up > in Memphis, TN in 1845 at 25 years of age. I know there was one other > man by that name in Memphis at that same time, but rosters for > Confederate Civil War soldiers shows 6 men by that name. Most were > shown as Private, but one is shown as a Captain. Since my Joseph Keller > was educated, and since he came from Switzerland where all young men had > to go through military training, do you think he might have been a > captain? I sent for one of the records for a private and got no > information to speak of - no age, no dates of enlistment etc. - just > that he was sick. Could these six men actually be only one or two that > were moved from one regiment to another as the war progressed and units > were decimated? Also, my Joseph Keller died in 1864, but I cannot find > any record of that in Tennessee. Any suggestions? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > . >

Kathleen, thank you so much. That has to be her, and Johann could be a brother. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: "kajh" <kajh76@yahoo.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com>; <gcmsam@snowhill.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:55 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Ship Arabia Depart La Havre June 5, 1858 > Hi Shirley, > > How are you? > > I found these two ... > > Ship Name: Arabia > Master of Ship: Richard Harding from Havre > Total Passengers: approx. 387 > Tonnage: c. 1,273 > Port of Departure: Le Havre > Port of Arrival: New York > Arrival Date: 24 July 1858 > > Grobel, Magd. > age 25, female > Est. birth year: c. 1833 > Place of Origin: Germany > > & > > Grobel, Joh. > age 26, male > Est. birth year: c. 1832 > Place of Origin: Germany > > > M237_186; List No. 675; Line Nos. 42 & 7 > > RE: > New York > Micropublication M237. Rolls # 1-675. > National Archives, Washington, D.C. > > Kathleen > > __________________________ > --- Shirley Martin wrote: > I have a document in French, and I believe it states > at the bottom that one of my husband's relatives > depart La Havre on the ship Arabia for New York on > June 5, 1858..... > I am looking for Mary Magdalena (Lena) Groebel, born > 9 Oct. 1832 in Weingarten. Her parents were Ignaz & > Maria Magdalena (Kaufmann) Groebel, though I don't > know whether she was traveling with them. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ > Sponsored Link > > Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. > $510k for $1,698/mo. Calculate new payment! > www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

Vic, I too am searching for German g, g, grandfather married in Rockhampton 1863. His name was Peter Grorock. No sons. No idea where in Germany he came from or how he arrived here. I suspect Grorock may be an angelsised version. Maree Ganley >From: Vic Simpson <vsimo@postmaster.co.uk> >Reply-To: vsimo@postmaster.co.uk, germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >To: GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [G-P-L] Introducing New Member >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 00:53:52 +0000 > >Hello Wolf, >Thanks for the welcome. >Hello List, >My name is Vic Simpson, I live in Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia. >I have joined this list and a couple of others as a first step in starting >my German research. >My German interests are: >Marea Teege, b Hamburg, Germany 1861, arrived NSW Australia abt 1880 >Freidrich Teege (possibly Marea's brother) >Caspar Teege (possibly Marea's brother) >Detlaf Teege (Marea's father) >Marea Behrens (Marea's mother). >I have been reading the mail in the lists all week and find it very >informative and helpful. > >Thanks, Vic > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Hot new product - Spider Networks introduces stunning online ePortfolio >solution for students and teachers > > >http://www.spider-networks.net/solutions/eportfolio.html > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: House hunt online now! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Erealestate%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Frsearch%3Fa%3Dbhp%26t%3Dres%26cu%3DMSN&_t=758874163&_r=HM_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT

Hi Ralph; Here are the all the Heitzmans on that ship list. Cheers, Masugu Name Arrival Date Age Gender Port of Departure Place of Origin Ship Anna Maria Heitzman 06 Aug 1838 10 Female Bremen Wittlensweiler Johanna Christina Heitzman 06 Aug 1838 22 Female Bremen Wittlensweiler Johanna Conrad Heitzman 06 Aug 1838 61 Male Bremen Wittlensweiler Johanna Johann Heitzman 06 Aug 1838 25 Male Bremen Wittlensweiler Johanna Martin Heitzman 06 Aug 1838 18 Male Bremen Wittlensweiler Johanna Sophia Heitzman 06 Aug 1838 14 Female Bremen Wittlensweiler Johanna

I also remember from Navy service that they were specific and would insert NMI meaning no middle initial. Conrad Luhmann cluhmann@ec.rr.com -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of WMFHLNGR@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 2:05 PM To: Germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: [G-P-L] Military records-names The recent questions and other submissions on the Civil War and others has made me wake up a little more and look at some of my stored information. One person mentioned the same last name and with the same initials but thinking it could have been just repeat records. While serving in the Navy, on one ship I was on, we had about eight (8) men who had no first names but initials and sometimes the middle name was an initial. This was their legal name and they were all from the south somewhere. Don't be so quick to discard any information especially if the last name is fairly common. Bill Fehlinger-NJ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a great grandmother (Barbara Julianna) who was a von Albrecht (von- belonging to house of Albrecht/von dropped in Wisconsin/ US). She came from the area of Simbach on Austrian border and is not on the Wuertenberg Emigration list,-- although her sister (Julianna Barbara) is & thought to have settled in Michigan, while other members of family (father,mother,siblings) are on another list --Alsace, I believe and settled in Canada. The above 2 girls were a year apart in ages and possible the translator of W. emig list, got confused in the names & thus B.J. is not on list. They came over about 10 years prior to rest of family, possible rest of family may later moved to the area near France. Does appear Albrecht whether von Albrecht or not is very common. Jane > > > >

Hi Shirley, How are you? I found these two ... Ship Name: Arabia Master of Ship: Richard Harding from Havre Total Passengers: approx. 387 Tonnage: c. 1,273 Port of Departure: Le Havre Port of Arrival: New York Arrival Date: 24 July 1858 Grobel, Magd. age 25, female Est. birth year: c. 1833 Place of Origin: Germany & Grobel, Joh. age 26, male Est. birth year: c. 1832 Place of Origin: Germany M237_186; List No. 675; Line Nos. 42 & 7 RE: New York Micropublication M237. Rolls # 1-675. National Archives, Washington, D.C. Kathleen __________________________ --- Shirley Martin wrote: I have a document in French, and I believe it states at the bottom that one of my husband's relatives depart La Havre on the ship Arabia for New York on June 5, 1858..... I am looking for Mary Magdalena (Lena) Groebel, born 9 Oct. 1832 in Weingarten. Her parents were Ignaz & Maria Magdalena (Kaufmann) Groebel, though I don't know whether she was traveling with them. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link Mortgage rates near 39yr lows. $510k for $1,698/mo. Calculate new payment! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

I have a document in French, and I believe it states at the bottom that one of my husband's relatives depart La Havre on the ship Arabia for New York on June 5, 1858. Does anyone have access to the passenger list for that ship. I am looking for Mary Magdalena (Lena) Groebel, born 9 Oct. 1832 in Weingarten. Her parents were Ignaz & Maria Magdalena (Kaufmann) Groebel, though I don't know whether she was traveling with them. Shirley

The recent questions and other submissions on the Civil War and others has made me wake up a little more and look at some of my stored information. One person mentioned the same last name and with the same initials but thinking it could have been just repeat records. While serving in the Navy, on one ship I was on, we had about eight (8) men who had no first names but initials and sometimes the middle name was an initial. This was their legal name and they were all from the south somewhere. Don't be so quick to discard any information especially if the last name is fairly common. Bill Fehlinger-NJ

If they organized a unit, they could possibly go in with any rank they chose during the Civil War . Our family story says that my great-grandfather's family paid someone to serve in his place and he came to the U.S. instead of doing compulsory military service in Prussia. Wow, do I need to get everything written down! I had forgotten the part about paying someone, until I read this e-mail. Thanks for jogging my memory! Another great-grandfather who was born in Alabama, but married and moved to Texas in 1853, served in the 7th Texas Infantry during the Civil War. His brothers served in Alabama units, and a brother-in-law started a unit in the Civil War. People who went in that unit with him were everything from colonels to privates! My great-grandfather started as a private, but ended as a captain. At one point, he was acting brigadier general! But people still refer to him as "Captain Miles" or "Captain Jim". (I had not heard that in my own family, but others doing research called him that.) After the War, a lot of veterans were known as "Colonel" or "Captain", although they may have only been privates during the War. It was their designation instead of saying "Mister". The last surviving Confederate veteran lived and died not far from us near Franklin, Texas. My mother and I went to see him before he died at about age 117 (or 104, depending on the source!) . He was said to be a private during the War, but some stories say that he just was a boy who looked after the horses. When, due to his longevity, he gained a lot of recognition, he was called "Colonel". Some even referred to him as "General". When my grandparents married, instead of a new house, my grandmother wanted her "dream house"-one that was across the street from her as she grew up. That area was known, then, as "Captains Row", because all the houses had been built by returning Civil War captains. I thought that was interesting that they all were captains-no privates, corporals, lietenants, or generals. Cecelia in Texas >> Can anyone tell me what qualifications he had to have in order to enlist >> as a Sergeant? >> I'm sure he didn't just show up and say, hey I want to enlist as a >> Sergeant. >> >> Looking forward to your answer. >> >> Ursula from Michigan > Believe it or not...The officers were chosen based on money, family, > friends, ect. Those that did not want to go into the army could also, for > about $300 buy someone else to take their place.

Dear Robert, I am sorry that it took me so long to get back to you. I could not find my telephone book CD Rom and I was for several weeks in the hospital. Looking at the names and variations how the name could have been written, it looks like your grandfathers's family could have came from the Rhoen, this is an area about 100 miles north of Wuerzburg. The most of the names below show that area. It is an area very beautiful in nature, it has mountains (The Rhoen) how it is called, farm land but still not very rich farmers. The winter time is cold. The area looks a lot like Wisconsin. If you like too, I can call the lady from Wuerzburg and ask her if she remembers if her family had somebody by the name of your grantfather. Take care Chris from Wuerzburg Käss, Elfriede (0931) 411828 Weißenburgstr. 31 97082 Würzburg Käßler, Bruno (09339) 764 97258 Ippesheim* Käßmann, Josef (09336) 866 (Gbb) Hauptstr. 22 97268 Kirchheim Käß, Herbert (09167) 757 9734. Iphofen* Käss, Thomas (0171) 7866371 Rehweiler Str. 11 97355 Abtswind Käß, Amanda (09721) 16639 Spalatinstr. 7 97422 Schweinfurt Käß, Ruth (09721) 16809 Merckstr. 17 97421 Schweinfurt Käßner, Axel (09721) 189655 Hartlaubstr. 5 97422 Schweinfurt Käß, Elke (0971) 7850895 Weizenäcker 12 97688 Bad Kissingen Käß, Erich ViehHdl. (0971) 3213 Dionysiusstr. 10 97688 Bad Kissingen Käß, Harry (0971) 61735 Kleinbracher Str. 9 97688 Bad Kissingen Käß, Konrad (0971) 62652 Weizenäcker 12 97688 Bad Kissingen Käß, Konrad (0971) 68025 Kleinbrach Weizenäcker 12 97688 Bad Kissingen Käß, Ludwig (0971) 62572 Kleinbracher Str. 26 97688 Bad Kissingen Käß, M. (0971) 61967 Kleinbracher Str. 12 97688 Bad Kissingen Kaess, Reinhard Modeagentur (09736) Fax 7312 (Po) 976.. Bad Kissingen* Kaess, Reinhard (09736) 7311 (Po) Dicker Busch 3 97688 Bad Kissingen Käss, Willi (0971) 99381 Rhönstr. 10 97688 Bad Kissingen Kässner, Egon (0971) 99733 Sinnbergpromenade 14 97688 Bad Kissingen Käß, Erich u. Silvia (0971) 66720 Mühlweg 6 97720 Nüdlingen Kässner, Margit u. Harald (09734) 5189 (Str) Am Bauholz 6 97705 Burkardroth Kässner, Heinz (09704) 5935 Amselweg 1 97717 Euerdorf Käßner, Erika (09352) 7125 Am Rechtenbach 3 97816 Lohr Käßmann, Karl (09340) 207 (Pül) Hof Hoffeld 1 97953 Königheim Käßmann, Maria (09340) 1484 (Pül) Hof Hoffeld 97953 Königheim Käßmann, Wolfram (09341) 3725 Hauptstr. 29 97953 Königheim Käß, Engelbert (09347) 645 (Uwi) Edith-Stein-Str. 1 97957 Wittighausen Kässer, Else (09347) 1291 (Vil) Bowieser Str. 1 97957 Wittighausen Käss, Bruno (07932) 8550 Paradiesweg 17 97996 Niederstetten Käss, Kuno (07932) 8496 Schloßberg 1 97996 Niederstetten Käss, Oliver (07932) 1301 Paradiesweg 17 97996 Niederstetten Käss, Werner (07932) 8562 Lange Gasse 23 97996 Niederstetten -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Robert L. Kaes Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 7:04 PM To: ubatrans@klondyke.net; germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Josef Kaes from Wuerzburg My grandfather was the first to come to America. I believe it would have been between 1900 and 1905. He married my grandmother in 1906 and their first daughter was born in Minnesota. Here is some information that my brother found out: I don't remember if I forwarded this to you or not. It shows that the name spelled as KAES was all that was ever used in Minnesota. Also found that Grandma Kaes was baptized one day before the wedding in 1907. Guess this had to be to get her into the Catholic Church. Dad had a picture of Grandpa with his brothers that was dated 1906 in Minnesota so they had to have come over before then. Red Lake Falls was close to Crookston and I remember grandpa's brother John living in Crookston. I have not tried writing the Catholic church in Conrad, Montana. It might be worth a shot as that is where the whole idea of KAS came from. In searching the white pages there are a slug of kaess in Indiana , Minnesota, and Illinois. Also some Kaesers. Maybe they just dropped the final s - could be a possibility or the ers. There are also a fair number of KAES listings in Illinois. I tried the search on Ellis Island with Kaess and Kaeser and came up blank. I did find info saying that some who came through PA went down the Erie Canal on boat and ended up in the upper Midwest. I keep running into things the LDS has on file. When I was in Germany I found out that they have scanned nearly every list in Bavaria. Grandpa's father, Joseph Kas was born in Wurtzburg in 1847. The story I had always hear was the name was changed from Kaas (Kas) to Kaes because there were many Josef's with the last name Kaas. My Dad's Birth Certificate shows the last name of Kas (He was born in Conrad, Mt. in 1913. I have looked in the Ellis Island information and cannot find either Grandpa or his brother John. It has been difficult for me since I can neither read or speak German. Anything you can do to help would be appreciated. Thanks Bob Kaes -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ursula B. Adamson Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:41 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: [G-P-L] Josef Kaes from Wuerzburg Hello Robert, Where did your KAES ancestors settle? Did they settle in Tilden, Polk Co., Minnesota around 1883? You wrote that Josef KAES' father and grandfather were also named Josef. Did they come to the US as well? Can you elaborate a bit more? 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I have a book titled Online ROOTS. One section in it relates to Civil War soldiers and sailors. Perhaps if you play with it you might get some other outlets. There is a section on Andersonville Prison. _www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/_ (http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/) Bill Fehlinger-NJ

Hello Maree, When I read 'Grorock' I can't help but think that this surname was 'Graurock' (Gray Coat). Ursula Maree Ganley wrote: > Vic, > I too am searching for German g, g, grandfather married in Rockhampton 1863. > His name was Peter Grorock. No sons. No idea where in Germany he came from > or how he arrived here. > I suspect Grorock may be an angelsised version. > > > > Maree Ganley >