Don't you just love these names that can be spelled so many different ways, not to mention transcribed even more ways? I've got another family that can be corrupted into any number of spellings.....it ended up being Yhalkee. It was spelled on one gravestone as Ya-Chalke, and we were told that it was originally pronounced "Jakalkee". I don't know how much stock to put in it. They were also Prussian. The Prussian born ones only show up on the 1870 census, with my husband's ggGrandfather born in 1855 in Ohio. No idea if they were ever naturalized or not. Sometimes I wonder what some of these people were running from. Elaine On 11/21/06, Theholigrail@aol.com <Theholigrail@aol.com> wrote: > Eileen, Have your tried under the name spelling of miers, or meier/s ? > I haven't been able to locate mine in NY either. Sometimes they just lied. > Jo Ann

Thanks for that site, Gail. I found that I had to make it 'national archives' though. Someone from England gave me this interesting site. You have to subscribe, about $15, if you want to correspond with someone who's listed. _www.genesreunited.co.uk/_ (http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/) Betty FL www.nationarchives.gov.uk

I just saw your message and thought I might have a reason for your not having luck with the spelling. My Aunts father was from Russia and due to the last name being a toung twister they shorted it to Petrus. Maybe they Americanized it. If my family hadn't noted it I would have never found them. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine O'Neill" <elaineoneill1948@gmail.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Myres/Myers/Meyer from Prussia/Germany to Ohio > Don't you just love these names that can be spelled so many different > ways, not to mention transcribed even more ways? I've got another > family that can be corrupted into any number of spellings.....it ended > up being Yhalkee. It was spelled on one gravestone as Ya-Chalke, and > we were told that it was originally pronounced "Jakalkee". I don't > know how much stock to put in it. > They were also Prussian. The Prussian born ones only show up on the > 1870 census, with my husband's ggGrandfather born in 1855 in Ohio. No > idea if they were ever naturalized or not. Sometimes I wonder what > some of these people were running from. > > Elaine > > On 11/21/06, Theholigrail@aol.com <Theholigrail@aol.com> wrote: >> Eileen, Have your tried under the name spelling of miers, or meier/s ? >> I haven't been able to locate mine in NY either. Sometimes they just >> lied. >> Jo Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Can anyone point me in the right direction please I am trying to Locate ANTON YAGER emigrated from Wurttemberg to come to England 1870s to 1880s where can I look for this information? I have tried rootsweb ships lists but find most are for America and Canada and quite honestly I find them very hard to find my way around them.Please will some kind person help me with this Thanks Wendy

Hello Ursula; I'm afraid I have take issue with your assertion. Switzerland has only been recognized as a neutral state since 1815; & confederated in its present form since 1874. Before that there was a succession of "Swiss" states which included some but not all of the present cantons. These states were embroiled in a series of civil & religious wars (the last real civil war occurring in 1847) as well as some foreign adventures.The Swiss also provided most/many of the mercenary forces used during the 30 Year's War. In addition, the modern Swiss, although politically & militarily neutral, maintain a national reserve which consists of virtually every male Swiss citizen. In 1940, when the Nazi's invaded Belgium, Switzerland mobilized its entire Army, including some 15,000 women. I think its fair to say that they adhere to the Teddy Roosevelt principle, i.e., "Speak softly but carry a big stick." (BTW: At one point the Nazi's had prepared a plan, called 'Operation Tannenbaum', to invade Switzerland.) Wikipedia describes the Swiss Army as follows: "The military of Switzerland, officially known as the Swiss Armed Forces, is a unique institution somewhere between a militia and a regular army. It is equipped with mostly modern, sophisticated, and well-maintained weapons systems and equipment." They go on to include the following table: Military of Switzerland--Military manpower Military age : 18-32 years of age obligatorily 36 for subaltern officers, 52 for staff officers and higher Availability: males age 15-49: 1,855,808 (2000 est.) Fit for military service: males age 15-49: 1,579,921 (2000 est.) Reaching military age annually: males: 42,169 (2000 est.) Military expenditures: $3.1 billion (FY98) Percent of GDP: 1.2% (FY98) So anyway, I'd say that they were well equipped to participate in armed conflicts. To put icing on the cake, I'm including some relevant extracts from a timeline I drew up during one of my genealogical research projects. Cheers, Masugu 1291: Cantons of Uri, Schwyz, & Unterwalden conspire against Habsburgs. This union is nucleus of Old Swiss Confederacy. 1315: Swiss Confederation defeats the soldiers of Duke Leopold I of Austria in an ambush near the Morgarten pass. 1353: Three original cantons joined by cantons of Glarus & Zug & city states of Lucerne, Zu"rich, & Berne, forming "Old Federation" of 8 states . 1386: Battle of Sempach: Swiss safeguard independence from Habsburg rule. 1440s: Zu"rich expelled from confederation due to conflict over territory of Toggenburg (the Old Zu"rich War). 1470s: Series of victories by Swiss Federation over Charles the Bold of Burgundy & rise of Swiss mercenaries. 1499: Swabian War: Swiss Confederacy defeats forces of Habsburg emperor Maximilian I ensuring de facto independence from empire. 1515: Expansion of federation & the reputation of invincibility acquired during earlier wars suffers setback w/ Swiss defeat in the Battle of Marignano. 1524: The Peasants War: In Germany, Switzerland & Austria--defeat of the peasants in 1525 led to dispersion of the Anabaptists. 1529-31: Zwingli's Reformation in some Swiss cantons leads to inter-cantonal wars (Kappeler Kriege). 1530's: Swiss Anabaptists seize several towns to "construct a just society"--they're crushed by authorities. 1531: a. Wars of Kappel: After victory Catholic cantons in Switzerland institute counter-reformatory policies. b. Ulrich Zwingli killed at Kappel am Albis, in a battle against the Catholic cantons of Switzerland. 1535: Anabaptists in Mu"nster suppressed--this engenders a migration of Germanic Anabaptists to England. 1618: Start of 30 Years' War---Switzerland a relative "oasis of peace and prosperity"--mostly because belligerents depend on Swiss mercenaries. 1648: Treaty of Westphalia: Swiss Confederacy, neutral during 30 Years War, granted independence from Holy Roman Empire. 1653: Swiss peasants rebel because of currency devaluation--tax reforms result. 1656: 1st Battle of Villmergen: conflict between Catholic & Protestant cantons continue. 1798: Switzerland overrun by France & becomes Helvetic Republic. 1712: 2nd Battle of Villmergen: conflict between Catholic & Protestant cantons persist. 1803: Napoleon organises meeting of leading Swiss politicians--result is Act of Mediation which largely restores Swiss autonomy. 1815: a. Congress of Vienna fully re-establishes Swiss independence & European powers agree to permanently recognise Swiss neutrality. b. Territory of Switzerland increases for the last time, by the new cantons of Valais, Neuchatel and Geneva. 1847: Civil war breaks out between Catholic & Protestant cantons 1848: As consequence of the civil war, Swiss adopt federal constitution in 1848 & establishing federal responsibility for defence, trade, and legal matters, 1874: Swiss constitution is extensively amended to reflect the current state of Swiss affairs. 1939: Nazis invade Poland, Swiss mobilize some 430,000 troops. 1940: Nazis invade Belgium, general mobilization of full Swiss Army decided, includes some 15,000 women.

I am trying to find immigration information on my husband's ggGrandfather, Adam MEYER. I find him on the 1870 US Census in Fulton Co., Ohio as MYRES, on the 1880 Census in Williams Co., Ohio, also as MYERS. On the 1880 he gives his immigration date as 1849, and he gives the same date on the 1900 census wher he is now MEYERS. On the 1880 he lives only 2 farms away from an Abraham Myers. They are 2 years apart in age and both give the same year of imigration. I have a hunch that they may be brothers. There was also a Jacob in the same area but I don't recall his age. On the 1870 census Adam gives Prussia as his birthplace, on all the subsequent ones, he gives Germany. In 1849 Adam would have been 15 and Abraham would have been 13. On the 1900 census they both state they have been naturalized. I have searched Ancestry until I'm blue in the face. I've had no luck at Castle Garden. I'm really desperate to find him or them. I don't have anymore than a date of immigration and their names. I don't know where they were prior to 1870. I don't know when they were naturalized or if Ohio has made naturalizations available on line anywhere. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks very much in advance. Elaine O'. in Missouri

Thanks, Jane. Joseph Keller and his wife Elisabeth and other family members evidently stayed in Memphis. He and his wife and several children are buried at Elmwood Cemetery in Memphis although and two of her children show up in the 1870 census in La Grange in Fayette County, TN, which is just East of Shelby County where Memphis is located. He might not have fought in the war at all, given his age. I am just grabbing at straws because I cannot find death records for him or for her. And there is a big blank before his marriage in 1845. That is the reason I am on this list. So far, I can find no Joseph Keller on a list with enough facts to say "Ah, this is the one!" I just don't have enough to go on. Thanks for your efforts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Rasmussen" <janeluci@bresnan.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 12:16 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Civil War questions > Evelyn, If your ancestor was 25 in 1845, living in Memphis in 1861 he > would have been 41 years of age, & born in 1820. Confederate records > may not be as complete as the union armies were, still it is possible > he may have moved north after 1845 and enlisted in the union army & > suggest you also give that a try. Many Swiss headed for Wisconsin > after they arrived in US. The Swiss in my family left from Harve, > France. > > Union army records gave a physical description of recruit and in my > great grandfathers case also his citizenship papers, recruitment > information (as entirely sober),pay records, and where he mustered > out, home of record. > NARA apologized that many of the papers were unable to print out, > thus I figure that is why I didn't get next of kin info. > Chemtester, I think you may have received the file as complete as > they had. However, mine did include his wife filing for pension, > children's birth certificates as she had to prove there were young > children, as well as his death papers, attending physician papers. > or do as Julie suggests, although I did not find that necessary > Jane > > >> >> >>> Reading other's query regarding Civil War rank of ancestor. My >>> Joseph >>> Keller immigrated from Switzerland via Germany, I believe. He show >>> up >>> in Memphis, TN in 1845 at 25 years of age. I >>> >>> . >>> >> do NOT order the Compiled Military Service File! I ordered 2 of >> them, thinking I had hit pay dirt and they were both the same, just >> pages and pages of copies of roll call, nothing on parents, next of >> kin, birth, etc. Try ordering the Pension Packet for 14.95 >> >> >> >> >>> Okay - I have a question. I am trying to find John >>> Horning/Hornung's >>> civil war info - not his muster info, but the paperwork he filled >>> out for >>> next of kin, etc. Was there such a thing? >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ******************************************************* >> > > >

Hello All, You may have noticed that thanks to Kathleen and Russell, our 'Ships' department has become active again. It was just too much of a load on me plus doing all of the computer programming and taking proper care of the passenger list transcribers and proofreaders. In addition, I could never give the proper attention to our subscribers when they asked me for assistance, which I regret very much. However, I had no choice since my day also has only 24 hours.. :-( Now I am very pleased to announce that Susan Clark has agreed to be a co-Administrator with me for Germany-Passenger-Lists. She comes to us with a lot of experience regarding the topic of our Mail List, especially with her background in the Reference Department of Library Science. Many of you already know Susan for the help she has given us. She has been a very supportive member of our G-P-L Mail List since 'day one' of our list. Please direct any questions regarding our databases to me. Any other pertinent questions regarding this Mail List may be directed to Susan at GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-admin@rootsweb.com Welcome Susan! You ALL have a very good THANKSGIVING. Wolf -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.11/543 - Release Date: 11/20/2006

Hi you feel the same as I did, I was able to join the Auxiliary to the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War. I live in Texas, although my Civil War Solider was from WISCONSIN , my Grandfather was born in Wisconsin, so therefore I am a member of Wisconsin Dept.ASUVCW'S. My Solider was the brother of my Grandfather Putney Joseph BATCHELDER. I have a pin for my to wear saying that I am a member of this organization. JAMES MADISON BATCHELDER b.13 Jul 1844 d. 12 Sept. 1863 (19 years old). Although I cannot attend meeting I get news if the Encampment they hold etc. Very Interesting, brings some of the things they do into my home for me to read about the Civil War. Hope this encourages people to take the time to find out these things. Glenrose

I have a g-g-g-uncle who died at Andersonville. A volunteer on findagrave.com was very helpful and photographed his stone for me. They also photographed surrounding stones, and took a couple of shots from a distance, giving a nice view of the area. My relative served with the 4th Michigan and was captured at White Oak Swamp, VA. I know I'll probably never get there in person so having these photos is extra special and so very much appreciated. Elaine O'. in Missouri On 11/21/06, Glenrose Englerth <glenrose01@charter.net> wrote: > About Andersonville, I a Great Uncle that died there I have his records, > they also have the name of the photographer that only lives 60 miles from > there, he takes pictures of the Monuments there single and also those > surrounding the main one. I was very pleased with the pictures that he took > and sent to me. I believe that those that find they do have someone buried > there to get in touch with this wonderful website, it has pictures of the > area and what they have done to it etc. > Sometimes we hesitate to check these kind of places, but this is a site to > see. If you wish to contact and try to help you with anything on here just > use the e-mail address. Happy Hunting. > glenrose01@charter.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

do you have any records of a George Jeremias from Germany? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Jeremias" <njeremias@inebraska.com> To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: [G-P-L] (no subject) > looking for a George Jeremias > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

looking for a George Jeremias

Hi Dolores, I think there is a great possibility your family left from another country. Holland , France,Denmark One set of mine left from Stettin, GE ,a port seldom seen on records. Another member of that family traveled many miles West to LeHarve from area of Pommerin. I figure he didn't have any emigration records,& was of military age (21).I found his entrance into US though castlegarden.org. My Swiss group left from LeHarve, traveling under the name of Perry rather then Berry and likely the purser of ship (an American ship) made that error when they came on board.. I was extremely lucky finding the family as another Swiss Berry was on board and I had printed out the ship list and going through list found the Perry family makeup/names and ages of 7 persons. My date for US entrance had been confirmed in 3 other sources. Found in castlegarden.org Persons leaving from other foreign ports generally gave their home countries, as other ports did not have any restrictions on foreign persons leaving. , nor any special emigration papers needed. I suggest you keep plugging in the name of Helstern on the site., using wildcards as for example: He********* and Ha*******. even Hi,Hu & Ho as in Holstern. Lots of names to go through but you could luck out. If you find one name /age/country that looks likely then you can plug in that ship name also and maybe find the entire family. Best of Luck to you. Jane > > >> >> > > > > From: "Dolores" <funybugd@insightbb.com> > > Since I have been unable to find anything on immigration of my > ggmother and her family from Germany to USA, is it possible that they > left from a different place than Germany? If they left from someplace > else, how would I go about finding where and when? I do have a date > of 1861 for immigration, but still cannot find any record. The only > place I have found the name Helstern is on her death certificate, > which from past experiences, could be spelled wrong. Any suggestions? >

Rosemary, I too have a gg grandfather arrived in Australia before 1863. I have Germany only as a detail to proceed with. Have you tried the Koppitke passenger lists Hamburg to Australian? Geneological societies and State Libraries have copies. Maree Ganley >From: "Rosemary McKenzie" <mckero@netspeed.com.au> >Reply-To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [G-P-L] Introduction >Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:31:40 +1100 > >Hello everyone, > >My name is Rosemary McKenzie. I live in Canberra, ACT, Australia. I've >been researching my ancestory since I was a teenager. Unfortunately my >german ancestor has been a brick wall for me. Fortunately I have had many >other lines to keep me busy. The only details I have of my german ancestor >is from his marriage certificate in 1880: > >Edward WEBER (aged 28) - also spelled WABER on some children's birth >certificates >Married: 3 Nov 1880 Brisbane Queensland Australia >Parents: Charles WABA and Caroline LUDWIG >Born: Hamburg Germany > >Family story says he came to Australia by himself and his family didn't >come to Australia before or after. Around when my grandfather was born in >1892 (youngest of 6 children) Edward went to the Western Australian >goldfields. He communicated with his family for a short while and then >stopped. The death certificate (1909 Western Australia) that I believe is >his, has no useful additional infomation as it was filled in by a >government official who didn't know him. I have been unable to determine >when he came to Australia. > >Rosemary. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=757263760&_r=Hotmail_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT

About Andersonville, I a Great Uncle that died there I have his records, they also have the name of the photographer that only lives 60 miles from there, he takes pictures of the Monuments there single and also those surrounding the main one. I was very pleased with the pictures that he took and sent to me. I believe that those that find they do have someone buried there to get in touch with this wonderful website, it has pictures of the area and what they have done to it etc. Sometimes we hesitate to check these kind of places, but this is a site to see. If you wish to contact and try to help you with anything on here just use the e-mail address. Happy Hunting. glenrose01@charter.net

Hi Dolores, I know it can be so frustrating to keep searching. Ports of Departure inside of Germany could have been Bremen, Bremerhaven, Hamburg, or Cuxhaven. Here are a list of other possible Ports of Departure: Amsterdam, Netherlands Antwerp, Belgium Bremen, Germany Cherbourg, France Hamburg, Germany Hull, England Le Havre, France Liverpool, England Rotterdam, Netherlands Southampton, England at: http://www.cyndislist.com/portsdepart.htm (copyright C. Howells) It can be possible your ancestor went to Canada first as sometimes the cost of passage was less expensive to disembark there and then come into the U.S. Here are other links/URLs: German & European Passenger Departure Records and Emigration Records: http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/ei.html (copyright Joe Beine) Ships and Passenger Database http://www.saxonyroots.com/ships/ U.S. Diplomatic Mission to Germany: List of Links: http://usa.usembassy.de/germanamericans-genealogy.htm Cuxhaven from Cuxaus: http://hapag-halle-cuxhaven.de/auswandererdatenbank/ Emslanders to the American Mid-West: http://www.emslanders.com/ Emigration from Lippe to the USA: Naturwissenschaftlicher und Historischer Verein für das Land Lippe e.V http://www.lippe-auswanderer.de/AuswandererLippe-USA/html/frames.htm Some of the above have databases where you can enter the surname. If you want to research the individual Ports, in any search engine type in Archives of Belgium , or Archives of Antwerp (passengers) or in brackets type in (emigration) after the Archives of _____ name. Liverpool has a website regarding their ships and emigrants, as well as a few other ports in England. Or, search Port of Rotterdam (passenger lists) in any search engine. You may be surprised but many Germans left through Irish or Scottish ports of departure too. There were many destroyed passenger lists due to the various wars or natural disasters. Some organizations are trying to reconstruct passenger lists from old, antique newspaper accounts. That is a very large project & time-consuming project. Others may have suggestions for you. I found one Helstern for 1861 - Ship Name: Saxonia Name: Herrm Hellstern Age: 14 Gender: Male Place of Origin: Germany Port of Departure: Hamburg, Germany and Southampton, England Port of Arrival: New York Arrival Date: 20 November 1861 Microfilm Roll: M237_216; List No. 1076; Line No. 37 RE: Records of the U.S. Customs Service Record Group 36 National Archives, Washington, D.C. If you are certain of the year, have you considered contacting The National Archives to search for you? Not everything is on-line. Information: US National Archives: Immigration Records (Ship Passenger Arrival Records) 1820 - 1982 http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/ Hang in there and best of luck! Kathleen _________________ --- Dolores wrote: "Since I have been unable to find anything on immigration of my ggmother and her family from Germany to USA, is it possible that they left from a different place than Germany? If they left from someplace else, how would I go about finding where and when? I do have a date of 1861 for immigration..." ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sponsored Link $420k for $1,399/mo. Think You Pay Too Much For Your Mortgage? Find Out! www.LowerMyBills.com/lre

Since I have been unable to find anything on immigration of my ggmother and her family from Germany to USA, is it possible that they left from a different place than Germany? If they left from someplace else, how would I go about finding where and when? I do have a date of 1861 for immigration, but still cannot find any record. The only place I have found the name Helstern is on her death certificate, which from past experiences, could be spelled wrong. Any suggestions?

Evelyn, If your ancestor was 25 in 1845, living in Memphis in 1861 he would have been 41 years of age, & born in 1820. Confederate records may not be as complete as the union armies were, still it is possible he may have moved north after 1845 and enlisted in the union army & suggest you also give that a try. Many Swiss headed for Wisconsin after they arrived in US. The Swiss in my family left from Harve, France. Union army records gave a physical description of recruit and in my great grandfathers case also his citizenship papers, recruitment information (as entirely sober),pay records, and where he mustered out, home of record. NARA apologized that many of the papers were unable to print out, thus I figure that is why I didn't get next of kin info. Chemtester, I think you may have received the file as complete as they had. However, mine did include his wife filing for pension, children's birth certificates as she had to prove there were young children, as well as his death papers, attending physician papers. or do as Julie suggests, although I did not find that necessary Jane > > >> Reading other's query regarding Civil War rank of ancestor. My Joseph >> Keller immigrated from Switzerland via Germany, I believe. He show up >> in Memphis, TN in 1845 at 25 years of age. I >> >> . >> > do NOT order the Compiled Military Service File! I ordered 2 of them, > thinking I had hit pay dirt and they were both the same, just pages > and pages of copies of roll call, nothing on parents, next of kin, > birth, etc. Try ordering the Pension Packet for 14.95 > > > > >> Okay - I have a question. I am trying to find John Horning/Hornung's >> civil war info - not his muster info, but the paperwork he filled out >> for >> next of kin, etc. Was there such a thing? >> > > > > > > > > > > > ******************************************************* >

Werner Lichter, Thank you very much. Only part of that page came through. It stopped after the Kern family, then somebody Becker, and that was all that came through. Could you try to send that page again. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: <Werner.Lichter@kabeldeutschland.de> To: <gcmsam@snowhill.com> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Ship Arabia Depart La Havre June 5, 1858 Dear Shirley, I do have acess to this ship. It arrived at New York July 24th 1858. The first file as a jpg attache. There are 19 files I have (10 pages, the complete list). Werner J. Lichter Germany ###################################################################### -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com]Im Auftrag von Shirley Martin Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. November 2006 21:31 An: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Betreff: [G-P-L] Ship Arabia Depart La Havre June 5, 1858 I have a document in French, and I believe it states at the bottom that one of my husband's relatives depart La Havre on the ship Arabia for New York on June 5, 1858. Does anyone have access to the passenger list for that ship. I am looking for Mary Magdalena (Lena) Groebel, born 9 Oct. 1832 in Weingarten. Her parents were Ignaz & Maria Magdalena (Kaufmann) Groebel, though I don't know whether she was traveling with them. Shirley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Kabel Deutschland bietet Ihnen Fernsehen, Internet und Telefonie aus einer Hand. Informieren Sie sich über unsere Produkte unter www.kabeldeutschland.de Diese E-Mail und etwaige Anhänge enthalten vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind, benachrichtigen Sie bitte den Absender und vernichten Sie anschließend diese Mail und die Anlagen.

Werner Lichter - Thank you so much. I believe she indicated that she was from Baden. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: <Werner.Lichter@kabeldeutschland.de> To: <gcmsam@snowhill.com> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 1:18 AM Subject: AW: [G-P-L] Ship Arabia Depart La Havre June 5, 1858 Dear Shirley, there are several towns with the name Weingarten in Germany, please look at the attached jpg-file. Werner J. Lichter Germany ############################# -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com]Im Auftrag von Shirley Martin Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. November 2006 21:31 An: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Betreff: [G-P-L] Ship Arabia Depart La Havre June 5, 1858 I have a document in French, and I believe it states at the bottom that one of my husband's relatives depart La Havre on the ship Arabia for New York on June 5, 1858. Does anyone have access to the passenger list for that ship. I am looking for Mary Magdalena (Lena) Groebel, born 9 Oct. 1832 in Weingarten. Her parents were Ignaz & Maria Magdalena (Kaufmann) Groebel, though I don't know whether she was traveling with them. Shirley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Kabel Deutschland bietet Ihnen Fernsehen, Internet und Telefonie aus einer Hand. Informieren Sie sich über unsere Produkte unter www.kabeldeutschland.de Diese E-Mail und etwaige Anhänge enthalten vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschützte Informationen. Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind, benachrichtigen Sie bitte den Absender und vernichten Sie anschließend diese Mail und die Anlagen.