Are there any SCHUBERT / Shubert listed??? Thanks. Lorraine

Susan,it happened to me a few years ago and it left a bad taste in my mouth.I went for the most expensive package a few months ago and I cancelled it within a month for I got all that I could out of it. They were nice this time.I've learned my lesson. T seems that there is a trick to everything

I have read in the past few days, many people expressing their appreciation for their ancestors coming here and now we celebrate it with a national holiday. Many times on "our" websites I read questions from someone researching their ancestors. Their questions are so basic that you can see they no nothing of the lives of those people before they came here. If they went to a library or book store and got a book or two about their ancestors background history, they might appreciate many, many times more these people. They don't realize what terrible lives, for many reasons, that they suffered and survived. Thanks to our two German websites for our increased learning of our ancestors. Bill Fehlinger-NJ

I went to rootsweb.com........typed the name in the Ancestry spaces on the right....and got in that way. Once you are in you can move around the database. Helen >From: NOSHOWCLC@aol.com >Reply-To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Access the entire Ancestry.com >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 04:46:23 EST > >I tried this site, but found only a free online tree-building and not >access >to their search engines. I would have liked to conduct a census search, >but >would have had to go insert too much information too many generations back >in >order for their search engine to look for my specific people. There have >been better "free trials" at Ancestry. > >The catch to their typical free trial, where you plug in a name and search >all the databases, is you have to give them your credit card. If you >don't >cancel before the last day of the free trial, you will be charged for a >subscription. Went through this with them once before, and while I had to >work to get >the charged reversed (I cancelled before the deadline), they did finally >credit it back to me. >Buyer, or free-user, beware. >Susan > > >In a message dated 11/22/06 7:01:29 PM, Rockychip@aol.com writes: > > > > In a message dated 11/22/2006 8:14:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  > > saxonyroots@charter.net writes: > > > > http://www.freegenie.net/holiday > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001

Susan: I put in one surname, no given names and just punch through to next or will do later. You don't have to answer the questions. It does get you through into ancestry. Just don't give up. Clark Oregon -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of NOSHOWCLC@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:46 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Access the entire Ancestry.com I tried this site, but found only a free online tree-building and not access to their search engines. Susan

Here Here, Your message was very well put; especially in this day and age. A lot of middle-class Americans live better in the twenty-first century than royalty lived two-hundred years ago. I'm thankful everday for what I have, not just on Thanksgiving. Thanks for the reminder! ;-)) Thomas Gronenthal ----- Original Message ----- From: <WMFHLNGR@aol.com> To: <baden-wurttemberg@rootsweb.com>; <Germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:06 AM Subject: [G-P-L] Germans and Thanksgiving Day >I have read in the past few days, many people expressing > their appreciation for their ancestors coming here and now > we celebrate it with a national holiday. > > Many times on "our" websites I read questions from someone > researching their ancestors. Their questions are so basic that > you can see they no nothing of the lives of those people before > they came here. > > If they went to a library or book store and got a book or two > about their ancestors background history, they might appreciate > many, many times more these people. They don't realize what > terrible lives, for many reasons, that they suffered and survived. > > Thanks to our two German websites for our increased learning > of our ancestors. > > Bill Fehlinger-NJ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I tried this site, but found only a free online tree-building and not access to their search engines. I would have liked to conduct a census search, but would have had to go insert too much information too many generations back in order for their search engine to look for my specific people. There have been better "free trials" at Ancestry. The catch to their typical free trial, where you plug in a name and search all the databases, is you have to give them your credit card. If you don't cancel before the last day of the free trial, you will be charged for a subscription. Went through this with them once before, and while I had to work to get the charged reversed (I cancelled before the deadline), they did finally credit it back to me. Buyer, or free-user, beware. Susan In a message dated 11/22/06 7:01:29 PM, Rockychip@aol.com writes: > In a message dated 11/22/2006 8:14:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  > saxonyroots@charter.net writes: > > http://www.freegenie.net/holiday > >

Hi Greg, Were you looking for any particular families on this ship? Their names? Here are the details: Ship Name: Olbers Master of Ship: C.H. Fechler Total Passengers: 325 ... inc. of 25 Cabin Passengers, 5 Second Cabin on Deck passengers, & 282 Steerage passengers and 13 children under the age of one yr. old Ship Name: Olbers Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany Port of Arrival: New Orleans, Louisiana Arrival Date: 26 Oct 1852 National Archives' Series Number: M259_36 REF.: New Orleans, Louisiana Micropublication M259. RG036. Rolls # 1-93. National Archives, Washington, D.C. Nine 'pages' of passengers ... Regards, Kathleen ______________________ --- Greg Rehme wrote: I am looking for the Olbers Passenger List for arrival on 26 Oct 1852. Can anyone give me directions to it? It was listed on the Castle Garden Site. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

I wonder what my ancestors thought when they left the lush forests of Germany and moved to Western Kansas, where you can see the front and the back of a mile long train! all at once. The house which remains today was limestone because there were no trees. The decedents came over one year ago. Think they were amazed at the barren land. And probably wondered "why" Happy Thanksgiving to all. Because they came, I am here! I am thankful Judy Hill Cornelssen Albrecht Langpaap Dorschlag Hahn Baumann

This is the site I found. Very interesting. And kind of fun, too. I spent hours "writing" names! http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Englisch/Write_your_name.htm With actual handwriting, there is probably more roundness, possibly more scribbles, but it looks like this would be very hard to read, if you were not trained to write and read this style. This is the home page: http://www.suetterlinschrift.de/Englisch/Titel.htm Cecelia > Would you still have the address that transcribes names to old script? > That may be av good tool to have! HAPPY HOLIDAYS > > I had wondered about my great-grandfather's name, Emil Conitz, being > listed > as Emmanuel Conita or Conitr on the passenger list of the Admiral. > However, I looked at a site that lets you select letters for your name, > and > then your name is written out as it would look in the old German script. > His name does resemble, to this untrained eye, at least, Emmanuel, in the > old script. > I had thought that, perhaps, the person doing the writing heard it as > A-mu-el, which is the way I have heard some people pronounce Emil. It > could > have sounded that way, which sounds a little like Emanuel. My dad > pronounced Conitz (Con-its) as Con-itsh, though no one else in the family > did, including the older people. > Cecelia

Hi Maree, Thanks for making contact. Yes, I have tried the Kopittke passenger lists with no success. He may have come via another port - I will keep searching. Rosemary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maree Ganley" <mganley31@hotmail.com> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Introduction > Rosemary, I too have a gg grandfather arrived in Australia before 1863. > I have Germany only as a detail to proceed with. > Have you tried the Koppitke passenger lists Hamburg to Australian? > Geneological societies and State Libraries have copies. > > > > Maree Ganley > > > > > >>From: "Rosemary McKenzie" <mckero@netspeed.com.au> >>Reply-To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com >>To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: [G-P-L] Introduction >>Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 13:31:40 +1100 >> >>Hello everyone, >> >>My name is Rosemary McKenzie. I live in Canberra, ACT, Australia. I've >>been researching my ancestory since I was a teenager. Unfortunately my >>german ancestor has been a brick wall for me. Fortunately I have had many >>other lines to keep me busy. The only details I have of my german >>ancestor >>is from his marriage certificate in 1880: >> >>Edward WEBER (aged 28) - also spelled WABER on some children's birth >>certificates >>Married: 3 Nov 1880 Brisbane Queensland Australia >>Parents: Charles WABA and Caroline LUDWIG >>Born: Hamburg Germany >> >>Family story says he came to Australia by himself and his family didn't >>come to Australia before or after. Around when my grandfather was born in >>1892 (youngest of 6 children) Edward went to the Western Australian >>goldfields. He communicated with his family for a short while and then >>stopped. The death certificate (1909 Western Australia) that I believe is >>his, has no useful additional infomation as it was filled in by a >>government official who didn't know him. I have been unable to determine >>when he came to Australia. >> >>Rosemary. >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search > now! > www.seek.com.au > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=757263760&_r=Hotmail_EndText_Nov06&_m=EXT > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.10/541 - Release Date: > 11/20/2006 > >

Thanks Wayne yes I have most of this but it looks as if Jane may have re-married, I had not picked up on this.Thanks again Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne J. Straight" <woichi01@comcast.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] HELLO EVERYONE > Hi Wendy; > > I looked in Ancestry but didn't find anything but the records you > already undoubtedly have (see below). Sorry, Masugu > > 1881 England Census > Name: Anton Yager > Age: 35 > Estimated birth year: abt 1846 > Relation: Head > Spouse's name: Jane Eliz. > Gender: Male > Where born: Bregend (F), Austria > Civil parish: Birmingham > County/Island: Warwickshire > Country: England > Street address: 174 Well St > Condition as to marriage: Married > Occupation: Publican Employing 1 Waiter > Registration district: Birmingham > Sub-registration district: St George > ED, institution, or vessel: 50 > Household Members: > Name Age Relation Trade PoB > Anton Yager 35 Head Publican Bregend, Austria > Jane Eliz. Yager 34 Wife -- Birmingham, Warwickshire > William H. Yager 7 Son Scholar Wurtemberg, Germany > Frang J. Yager 4 Son Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire > Carl A. Yager 1 Son -- Birmingham, Warwickshire > Mary Butler 14 Cousin Servant Whitacre, Warwickshire > Emil Kranse 19 Boarder Waiter Maince (F), Germany > Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2999; Folio: 137; Page: 34; Line:; > GSU roll: 1341717. > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 (Vol 6d, Page 104) > Deaths Registered in July, August & September, 1886 > Name: Anton Joseph Jager > Estimated birth year: abt 1846 > Year of Registration: 1886 > Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep > Age at Death: 40 > DISTRICT: Birmingham (1837-1924) > County: Warwickshire > Volume: 6d > Page: 104 > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 > Name: Jane Elizabeth Jager > Year of Registration: 1888 > Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun > DISTRICT: Birmingham (1837-1924) > County: Warwickshire > Volume: 6d > Page: 9 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 11/22/2006 8:14:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, saxonyroots@charter.net writes: http://www.freegenie.net/holiday Thanks for this information. Betty

I am looking for the Olbers Passenger List for arrival on 26 Oct 1852. Can anyone give me directions to it? It was listed on the Castle Garden Site. Thanks fo reading Greg Rehme gregrehme@mindspring.com

To all (misspelled) nameseekers, search by SOUNDEX as often as you can. http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/census/soundex.html Best regards from Berlin Werner Feja 006/11/22, NOSHOWCLC@aol.com <NOSHOWCLC@aol.com>: > > > In a message dated 11/22/06 11:23:35 AM, mtnspirit@woh.rr.com writes: > > > > Next time we want to get a sense of how difficult it might have been to > be > > understood, try translating a document written in German of any other > > language besides your native tongue (and without a dictionary or > COMPUTER > > translation program.) I think these folks were down right heroic to > leave > > everything they knew to travel to a new land when they didn't have cable > TV > > broadcasting the landscape or opportunities here. Somehow they made it > > without cellphones, cable, High speed internet, planes, trains, and > > automobiles. I am still in awe of their courage and sheers guts. > > > > Thank you Dara, and Amen to the above. To leave all you've known behind, > not speak the new language, not to mention what must have been a tough > trip, too > courage and the strong will to have a better life. And I complained > about > moving from Los Angeles to Seattle! > > I'll take your good advice when searching the 1870 census! > > Happy Thanksgiving to you. > Susan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Beste Grüße Werner Feja.net

Jane, I do have the cemetery record for the family. Are you suggesting that if he was buried in his hometown, then he probably was not killed in the war? What I am trying to find is my ggfather Joseph Keller's death record which I hope would have the parents' names. I do have his sister's death certificate and it names the parents but uses anglicized name(John Jay Keller) and a misspelling (I think) of the mother's maiden name (Verena Kilingerfuss, which probably is Klingenfuss.) The family was Swiss - the northern German speaking part. I suspicion this sister had a different mother than her brothers as I find birth records for the two boys with a mother of a different name. Also, the sister was 19 years younger than my ggfather. So --- the search continues. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Rasmussen" <janeluci@bresnan.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS Digest, Vol 1, Issue 159 > Evelyn, Actually 41 wasn't too old to serve., depending on necessity > of army personnel. Possible also he didn't join up, and stuck around > defending his own property. I gather you don't have gravesites, > however by now many of the cemetaries have been walked and recorded. > Maybe tax records in the county (counties) you believe he was in would > have him on record. > Jane >> >> >> grabbing at straws because I cannot find death records for him or for >> her. And there is a big blank before his marriage in 1845. reason I >> am on this list. So far, I can find no Joseph Keller on a list >> with enough facts to say "Ah, this is the one!" >>>> >>> >> > > >

Would you still have the address that transcribes names to old script? That may be av good tool to have! HAPPY HOLIDAYS ----- Original Message ----- From: Cecelia<mailto:cheinric@tca.net> To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com<mailto:germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Misspelled Names I had wondered about my great-grandfather's name, Emil Conitz, being listed as Emmanuel Conita or Conitr on the passenger list of the Admiral. However, I looked at a site that lets you select letters for your name, and then your name is written out as it would look in the old German script. His name does resemble, to this untrained eye, at least, Emmanuel, in the old script. I had thought that, perhaps, the person doing the writing heard it as A-mu-el, which is the way I have heard some people pronounce Emil. It could have sounded that way, which sounds a little like Emanuel. My dad pronounced Conitz (Con-its) as Con-itsh, though no one else in the family did, including the older people. Cecelia > After nearly 30 years of searching I have found multiple spellings for my > common and less than common familial names. > One such name was a definite brick wall of nearly 25 years > > > they were documented as the "Diland" family, hey the spelling has two > letters in common, close enough right? LOL By the way there were no other > Diland families prior to or afterwards for the next 60+ years. Don't ever > give up. I learned my lesson, I look initially> > I currently work in a reservation call center, when folks call in they > usually comment on my southern accent, after I have given my name they > usually mispronounce it, so I spell it; even then about 8 times out of 10 > they still can't pronounce it. Most common version I get for > mispronunciation of my name is Vera. BTW my name is Dara, rhymes with > Sara. > > I can't imagine what it had to be like for an immigrant to arrive and have > to attempt to communicate with others who had accents you didn't > understand > and they didn't understand you. Imagine trying to communicate with out an > English to ......(fill in the blank) translation dictionary. > > Next time we want to get a sense of how difficult it might have been to be > understood, try translating a document written in German of any other > language besides your native tongue (and without a dictionary or COMPUTER > translation program.) I think these folks were down right heroic to leave > everything they knew to travel to a new land when they didn't have cable > TV > broadcasting the landscape or opportunities here. Somehow they made it > without cellphones, cable, High speed internet, planes, trains, and > automobiles. I am still in awe of their courage and sheers guts. > > So those that celebrate Thanksgiving we have so much to be thankful for, > including sharing our gratitude for those who made the sacrifice to > immigrate to another country to start anew for their families. > > Many blessings and happy generational hunting to all of you, > Dara > > Dara A. Lehner > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, some of you already might know this, but Ancestry.com has FREE access to their databases for the next three days. To get started, Tim sent me this link: http://www.freegenie.net/holiday Have a lot of success with it and enjoy your Holiday, Wolf [Zscheile] ******************************************** Visit our homepage with ALL the latest NEWS http://www.saxonyroots.com ******************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.13/546 - Release Date: 11/22/2006

Thankyou Wolfe for your kind welcome to the list. I am completely new to this list and a comparative newcomer to Family Research - having only been researching my family for the last couple of years. Although I have managed to find relatives in Canada and Australia to date so I have been quite fortunate in my quest. However, My problem this time is that I am trying to help a friend with his family research and I have never had occasion to use Passenger lists before so am at a loss here. I am looking for ANTON YAGER/JAGER/JEAGER born 1846 Bregenz (F) I have him in Wurttemberg with his wife ELIZABETH HOLL (maiden name) and son in 1874 then he turns up in ENGLAND in the 1880s as the manager of a Public House called THE GOTHIC this is BIRMINGHAM. Anton died in Birmingham in 1886. What I need to know is how to find out how the family managed to reach England , where they departed from which ship and where they entered the country and any other clues that may be of help to my friend. I'm keeping my fingers crossed with your list members, I'm sure they will help if they can Thankyou so much Kind regards to the list Wendy

I'll certainly agree to that! A lot of us probably wouldn't be alive today, or our families would have had extremely difficult lives, if our ancestors had remained in the old countries. I hope that, if the need ever arises, that I will have the foresight, guts, and strength to do what is necessary to take care of my family. Cecelia > I'm so thankful they journeyed to this great place or I'd have spent > WW2 over there. > Jane > > > >>> > >>> I am still in awe of their courage and sheers guts. >>> >> >> Thank you Dara, and Amen to the above.