Hi, all, At the behest of Wolf, I am introducing myself, so to speak. My mother's side is almost entirely German. My ex-husband's line is from Belgium. The lines I am researching on Mom's side are: Bieber/Beaver, Gross/Gruss/Cruse, Holzhouser (and variations), Herche/Harkey, Simmone/Simons, Sigern, Adam/Adamson, Ludman/Ludmann, Lentz On Chuck's side: Saillierz/Sailliez - married a German gal, but have no clue as to her maiden name. Jan Robison Sanford, Florida Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness www.raogk.com

Hi folks, it looks like that we are back in 'business' again. Our mailman had a 'breakdown' and we were out of touch for two days.. Down below is an email I tried to send to you yesterday.. Have fun in dicovering the world... Wolf ................................................. Hallo All, what do you know about Germany, Europe, Australia ?? I'm just playing around with a neat little tool... Take a look: http://www.saxonyroots.com/maps/ When you put the mouse on the image, it shows a hand, press on the left mouse button and keep holding it.. now you can move the whole image in any direction and it will update itself instantly.. or click on the '-' or '+' image on the left to zoom in or out.. On top you have some links to some continents which you can visit with a click... you might as well throw out your geograpical atlas.. Pretty soon all our databases will be linked with this too.. Have fun in exploring the world and let me if you have any suggestions for improvements... Have a nice evening, Wolf [Zscheile] ******************************************** Visit our homepage with ALL the latest NEWS http://www.saxonyroots.com ********************************************

Hi- Does anyone have a date when steamships replaced sailing vessels for immigrants? I have a feeling it was sometime in the 1850s but would like confirmation on that point. Thanks for your help. John

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Hello All, despite the start of the holiday season, our transcribers, proofreaders and Kathleen have been quite productive and we were able to add another seven ships with over 1,000 passengers to our databases. Whenever you start searching the database at: http://www.saxonyroots.com/ships , you will get a lot of hits and now you are able to narrow down your search to certain departure and arrival ports... Just give it a try.. And, of course, there are many more additions and improvements coming in the very near future. Well, as you know, nobody is perfect.. and whenever you find a 'boo-boo', please let me know.. and as a matter of fact a few days ago you just got a blank page with Internet Explorer while any other browser was OK... Just a stupid little ' in the wrong place kept interfering.. Thanks for letting me know, Kathleen.. Have a great evening, Wolf [Zscheile] ******************************************** Visit our homepage with ALL the latest NEWS http://www.saxonyroots.com ******************************************** -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/565 - Release Date: 12/2/2006 9:39 PM

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Please unsubscribe me. Chris -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of NOSHOWCLC@aol.com Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 7:41 AM To: germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [G-P-L] New Lister here! ;) In a message dated 12/1/06 6:53:36 PM, jrobison4@cfl.rr.com writes: > Do you know if there any cost to obtain these records? > Jan, I know I paid something to NARA, but it wasn't much, something like $10-$15. I'm certain the NJ State Archives charge as well, as they all seem to. Interesting that you were told that is where they would be found. I've searched for a number of naturalizations and each State Archive told me to go to NARA, or a County or District Court. Well, guess I'd start with the State Archives if I were you, depending on the source sending you there. This link tells about acquiring the papers in NJ: http://newark.rutgers.edu/~natalieb/gen.htm#imm scan down to immigration then the next section is naturalization. New Jersey State Archives: http://www.njarchives.org/links/archives.html I'd just write to them, tell them what you are looking for and ask what they charge. What can you lose? Good luck, And let us know if you find something! Susan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/566 - Release Date: 12/3/06 4:36 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.6/566 - Release Date: 12/3/06 4:36 PM

Hello List, My apologies for the following request sent as such. I only want to say thank you for any and all help you can give me in finding our family of Tessin/Tessen & Gutsche to America. Thank you, Diane Hello list, Just read this included below and would like to know this site. Would really appreciate help, here. I am looking for both Tessin/Tessen and Gutsche and only know a time frame of 1860 to 1864. We have found Tessin/Tessen in the Civil War living in Wisconsin. We think Gutsche (could be another spelling) arrived in America with wife Fredricka b. 1834 and 2 sons & 1 daughter. They had another son who was born in Wisconsin in 1863. We assume Gutsche died, possibly in Civil War, and Fredricka married Henry Tessen b. 1832 in Mechlenburg and had 6 more children (all sons) and Henry & Fredricka were married in 1865 both died in 1899 in Wisconsin The Mormon site lists Tessen's from Niederhagen and Rovershagen in Rostock area near Berlin. Not sure of this, as I haven't found any of them there yet. In a message dated 12/1/2006 6:46:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:39:45 -0600 From: "Carol" <czabel@wi.rr.com> Subject: [G-P-L] Ancestry Immigration Collection, good news To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001801c71567$4fb0f380$4695d118@dilbert> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Just read this and want to pass it along. Good luck searching. Free Access to the Most Comprehensive Collection of Available Passenger List Records 1820-1960 Sparks 25 Percent Increase in Site Usage; Offer Extended Through December 31, 2006

What was it that was written about Han Dietrich Bieber? I'm interested in the Biebers and am just finding this. Pat Jan Robison <jrobison4@cfl.rr.com> wrote: Does anyone have access to the manifest for the "Jennifer" that arrived in 1764? Looks like it may have arrived in PA. Jan Robison Sanford, Florida Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness www.raogk.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know.

Hello list, Just read this included below and would like to know this site. Would really appreciate help, here. I am looking for both Tessin/Tessen and Gutsche and only know a time frame of 1860 to 1864. We have found Tessin/Tessen in the Civil War living in Wisconsin. We think Gutsche (could be another spelling) arrived in America with wife Fredricka b. 1834 and 2 sons & 1 daughter. They had another son who was born in Wisconsin in 1863. We assume Gutsche died, possibly in Civil War, and Fredricka married Henry Tessen b. 1832 in Mechlenburg and had 6 more children (all sons) and Henry & Fredricka were married in 1865 both died in 1899 in Wisconsin The Mormon site lists Tessen's from Niederhagen and Rovershagen in Rostock area near Berlin. Not sure of this, as I haven't found any of them there yet. In a message dated 12/1/2006 6:46:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, germany-passenger-lists-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 1 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2006 10:39:45 -0600 From: "Carol" <czabel@wi.rr.com> Subject: [G-P-L] Ancestry Immigration Collection, good news To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <001801c71567$4fb0f380$4695d118@dilbert> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Just read this and want to pass it along. Good luck searching. Free Access to the Most Comprehensive Collection of Available Passenger List Records 1820-1960 Sparks 25 Percent Increase in Site Usage; Offer Extended Through December 31, 2006

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Hello Maria, I believe I did a check on your BRUMM family from Sanliac Co previously. I believe that the 1910 census info for Charles C [Clement] where it says he came in 1884 is correct. Obviously it is an error since he is already shown on the 1880 census at age 16. I believe that the family came on or about 1874 and that all of the children born after that date were born in Michigan and not in Saxony as shown on the 1880 census. The 1880 census would have given us more accurate information re immigration if the census taker had not put ditto marks behind each name. My reasoning is based on the fact that Charles BRUMM senior filed his first paper - the declaration of Intent - in 1876. He had to have been in the country for at least 2 years before he could file. The actually naturalization certificate should have been issued 3 years later. I'll keep on searching the passenger ships. I also have another question: was Wilhelmine Fischer-Brumm remarried after her husband's death to a man by the name of WISCHMANN ? I noticed that she is listed as Minnie WISHMAN on the 1920 census where she is residing with Charles Clement and his wife Minnie and their children. And another question, what was their church affiliation? Roman Catholic or Protestant? Have you been able to check the church records in the church they attended in Sanliac County? This is where you would find the birth's of the children born in Michigan and possibly the marriage records of the other children and death records of the Charles and Minnie senior. These church records provide often much more family information than that which you receive from the State. Ursula from Michigan Maria wrote: > I sure hope someone can find when my grandma Anna Brumm and her parents and the rest of the children immigrated. > > My grandma said she was about 6 years old, she was born in May 5 1869, so I figure they immigrated about 1875-76. > Her parents were Karl August Brumm b 1834 Mylau Zwickau, Saxony

Ursula, Yes Whilhemina married Claus Wichman they married in 1892 and he died in 1896. The Brumms' were Lutheran, Whilhemina and Charles, and dau Pauline and Fred Fisher are buried in the Lutheran church cem. in Forestville. Claus is buried in the Delaware cem. along with George Brumm, who is buried way in the back of the cem. alone. Clause is in a Wischman family plot. On one trip to Forestville the minister's wife looked up one birth record, and she said that was all there was. My grandmother Anna, said that her sister Clara was about 3 years old and when the men were sweeping the deck, that Clara almost fell over board. None of my Michigan cousins have any information about when the family immigrated. One year a researcher went to the 3 towns that the Brumms' lived in, she also filmed the church in Crimmitschau that my grandmother was baptized in. After finding Clara's birth records she didn't look further for George, as I had told her I thought that he was born in Michigan. Maybe I should call her and ask her when she will be going to Saxony again. To look further. I have the Germans to America List of Passengers Arriving at U.S. Ports Vol 31 Dec 1873-Dec 1874. There is one mother and children arriving Nov 2. 1874 in New York on the ship Oceanic, from Liverpool and Queenstown. the mother is listed as Braner, Maria age 37 children Pauline 11 Rosa 10 Clemens 9 Emma 7 Anna 8 Albert 4 Clara 1 The mother's name is different, the children are in the correct order with a bit of difference in their ages. Maria > Hello Maria, > I believe I did a check on your BRUMM family from Sanliac Co previously. > I believe that the 1910 census info for Charles C [Clement] where it says > he came in 1884 is correct. Obviously it is an error since he is already > shown on the 1880 census at age 16. > I believe that the family came on or about 1874 and that all of the > children born after that date were born in Michigan and not in Saxony as > shown on the 1880 census. > The 1880 census would have given us more accurate information re > immigration if the census taker had not put ditto marks behind each name. > My reasoning is based on the fact that Charles BRUMM senior filed his > first paper - the declaration of Intent - in 1876. He had to have been in > the country for at least 2 years before he could file. The actually > naturalization certificate should have been issued 3 years later. > I'll keep on searching the passenger ships. > I also have another question: was Wilhelmine Fischer-Brumm remarried after > her husband's death to a man by the name of WISCHMANN ? I noticed that > she is listed as Minnie WISHMAN on the 1920 census where she is residing > with Charles Clement and his wife Minnie and their children. > And another question, what was their church affiliation? Roman Catholic or > Protestant? > Have you been able to check the church records in the church they attended > in Sanliac County? This is where you would find the birth's of the > children born in Michigan and possibly the marriage records of the other > children and death records of the Charles and Minnie senior. These church > records provide often much more family information than that > which you receive from the State. > > Ursula from Michigan > > > Maria wrote: > >> I sure hope someone can find when my grandma Anna Brumm and her parents >> and the rest of the children immigrated. >> >> My grandma said she was about 6 years old, she was born in May 5 1869, so >> I figure they immigrated about 1875-76. >> Her parents were Karl August Brumm b 1834 Mylau Zwickau, Saxony

Hi, I used the Ellis Island White Form: One-Step Form at http://stevemorse.org/ and found these names with the approx. dates ... Name Residence Age Born Arrived - Terenzi, Anna..........Montericcardi, Italy age 15, b. 1892; arrival: 1907 - Terescsak, Anna........Czivokahosszumezo, Hungary age 16, b. 1891; arrival: 1907 - Terisi, Anna...........Dubne, Russia age 16, b. 1891; arrival: 1907 - Terlizza, Anna.........Ortaca, Avellino age 15, b. 1893; arrival: 1908 - Ternay, Anna...........Belisse. Slavonia age 15, b. 1892; arrival: 1907 - Ternohorsky, Anna......Rosochatec, Bohemia age 14, b. 1893; arrival: 1907 - Terovante, Anna........Castrogiovanni, Cosensa age 14, b. 1894; arrival: 1908 - Terramagia, Anna.......Trapani, Trapani, Italy age 14, b. 1893; arrival: 1907 - Terramagra, Anna.......Trapani age 14, b. 1894; arrival: 1908 - Terranova, Anna........Corleone age 16, b. 1891; arrival: 1907 - Terray, Anna...........Opalhagy, Hungary age 16, b. 1891; arrival: 1907 - Terricino, Anna........Aginta, Sulmouce age 18, b. 1890; arrival: 1908 - Terry, Anna........... (U.S. citizen traveling in from Bremen). age 17, b. 1890; arrival: 1907 I hope this helps! Kathleen ________________________ RAROSE10@aol.com wrote:" ... The second question is-On his D& I he states that he married Anna Terry however, I cannot find this name anywhere-I cannot even find her siblingsHe(my brother in law)thins it is something like this.I cannot think of what he said- but it began with Ter.I have the feeling that the given name is not even correct. She was born in 1893 and came to US in 1907-08 in Pogost,Russia ..." --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

Hi Jan, Ship "Jennefer" came from Rotterdam to Philadelphia. The passengers appeared at the Courthouse in Philadelphia on Nov. 5th, 1764. Captain of Ship was George Kerr. The only Bieber mentioned from that ship is an Ulrick Bieber. Listings are compiled from these volumes - Pennsylvania German Pioneers Vols. I-II. Pennsylvania German Society, 1934 Norristown, PA Author: Ralph Beaver Strassburger I hope this helps. Kathleen _____________________ --- Jan Robison wrote: Does anyone have access to the manifest for the "Jennifer" that arrived in 1764? Looks like it may have arrived in PA. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know.

Does anyone have access to the manifest for the "Jennifer" that arrived in 1764? Looks like it may have arrived in PA. Jan Robison Sanford, Florida Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness www.raogk.com

Ursula, I cannot find the manifest, nor the pic. Can you please direct me? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Henry Sailliez > > Hello Jan, > I have found at Castle Garden one of the entries into the US of Henry > Sailliez > (manifest and photo of ship also accessible at ancestry.com): > > Henri Saillierz > Occupation: Laborer > Age: 31 > Sex: Male > Arrived: 18 Jun 1891 > Origin: Germany > Port: Antwerp > Last Residence: PA > Destination: New York > Plan: Unknown > Ship: Noordland > Passage: unknown > > based on the comment: "Last Residence: PA" I would guess that this was not > Henri's first > entry into the US. He may have come originally in 1883. The entry of his > wife and 2 sons in > 1891 (one of which was born in the US) was also not the original entry but > probably only a > visit to the homeland. > > Ursula > > > Jan Robison wrote: >> Hi, all, >> >> I'm new to the list. >> >> I am sooo frustrated! I cannot find a record for the first time someone >> arrived in the US. >> >> Henry C. Sailliez, b. 07 Feb 1859, Belgium, m. in Germany. Had first >> child in Germany. >> >> Is in New Jersey in the 1900, 1910, and 1920 censuses. >> >> The census info shows he immigrated in either 1883, 1891 or 1892. I have >> exhausted all ways I know to locate an immigration record. >> >> I have found his wife and both children (one born in NJ) arriving in NY >> aboard the Kensington in Sept., 1899, but that is the only record I can >> find. >> >> Anyone have any ideas? >> >> >> Jan Robison >> Sanford, Florida >> Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness >> www.raogk.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> . >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date: 12/2/2006 > 9:59 AM >

Thank you, Ursula!! The way I see it is this: Henri went to PA in 1883. He returned to Germany/Belgium some time before 1889 since that was the year his first son, George, was born in Germany. Then, the family came over to America; Census records say Henri, Mary, and George immigrated in 1891. I can't find Mary and George on any ship in 1891... Little Charles (Karl) was born in NJ 08 Mar 1893. Since there is a record of Mary, George, and Karl arriving in NY on September 12, 1899 aboard the Kensington, from Antwerp, I am assuming she took the babies back "home" to visit her family. Does anyone know where there are lists of ships and their manifests leaving NY for Antwerp? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula B. Adamson" <ubatrans@klondyke.net> To: <germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Henry Sailliez > > Hello Jan, > I have found at Castle Garden one of the entries into the US of Henry > Sailliez > (manifest and photo of ship also accessible at ancestry.com): > > Henri Saillierz > Occupation: Laborer > Age: 31 > Sex: Male > Arrived: 18 Jun 1891 > Origin: Germany > Port: Antwerp > Last Residence: PA > Destination: New York > Plan: Unknown > Ship: Noordland > Passage: unknown > > based on the comment: "Last Residence: PA" I would guess that this was not > Henri's first > entry into the US. He may have come originally in 1883. The entry of his > wife and 2 sons in > 1891 (one of which was born in the US) was also not the original entry but > probably only a > visit to the homeland. > > Ursula > > > Jan Robison wrote: >> Hi, all, >> >> I'm new to the list. >> >> I am sooo frustrated! I cannot find a record for the first time someone >> arrived in the US. >> >> Henry C. Sailliez, b. 07 Feb 1859, Belgium, m. in Germany. Had first >> child in Germany. >> >> Is in New Jersey in the 1900, 1910, and 1920 censuses. >> >> The census info shows he immigrated in either 1883, 1891 or 1892. I have >> exhausted all ways I know to locate an immigration record. >> >> I have found his wife and both children (one born in NJ) arriving in NY >> aboard the Kensington in Sept., 1899, but that is the only record I can >> find. >> >> Anyone have any ideas? >> >> >> Jan Robison >> Sanford, Florida >> Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness >> www.raogk.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> . >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.4/563 - Release Date: 12/2/2006 > 9:59 AM >

Hello Jan, I have found at Castle Garden one of the entries into the US of Henry Sailliez (manifest and photo of ship also accessible at ancestry.com): Henri Saillierz Occupation: Laborer Age: 31 Sex: Male Arrived: 18 Jun 1891 Origin: Germany Port: Antwerp Last Residence: PA Destination: New York Plan: Unknown Ship: Noordland Passage: unknown based on the comment: "Last Residence: PA" I would guess that this was not Henri's first entry into the US. He may have come originally in 1883. The entry of his wife and 2 sons in 1891 (one of which was born in the US) was also not the original entry but probably only a visit to the homeland. Ursula Jan Robison wrote: > Hi, all, > > I'm new to the list. > > I am sooo frustrated! I cannot find a record for the first time someone arrived in the US. > > Henry C. Sailliez, b. 07 Feb 1859, Belgium, m. in Germany. Had first child in Germany. > > Is in New Jersey in the 1900, 1910, and 1920 censuses. > > The census info shows he immigrated in either 1883, 1891 or 1892. I have exhausted all ways I know to locate an immigration record. > > I have found his wife and both children (one born in NJ) arriving in NY aboard the Kensington in Sept., 1899, but that is the only record I can find. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > Jan Robison > Sanford, Florida > Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness > www.raogk.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > . >

I sure hope someone can find when my grandma Anna Brumm and her parents and the rest of the children immigrated. My grandma said she was about 6 years old, she was born in May 5 1869, so I figure they immigrated about 1875-76. Her parents were Karl August Brumm b 1834 Mylau Zwickau, Saxony Karl died Aug. 1888 Forestville, Sanilac, MI. Wilhelmina Ida Fischer Brumm b 1837 Netzschkau, Zwickau Wilhelmina d Aug 1925 in Owosso, MI buried Forestville, Sanilac, MI. children Pauline b 1861 in Saxony Theresa b 1862 " Karl Clements b 1863 b Mylau Zwickau Emma b 1866 Crimmitschau Sachsen Anna b 1869 " d. 1852 in Montana Oliver Albert b 1879 " d. 1959 South Dakota He lived in South Dakota and died and was buried as Charlie Brown. Clara b 1873 d 1973 in Detroit MI George Karl b 1876 possibly in Michigan although I can't find a birth record on him. He d 1907 in Sanilac Co, MI. The whole family was listed on the 1880 census, I have checked all the other census and those that did give a immigration date, most gave a different year. I thought surely their mother would no what year she came over, but no year was shown. I have this immigration info on the father: !State of Michigan, County of Sanilac. I, Charles Brumm solemnly swear that it is bona fide my Intention to become a CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES, and to RENOUNCE FOREVER, all Allegiance and Fidelity to each and every Foreign Prince, Potentate, State or Soveringly whatsoever and particularly th Emperor of Germany of whom I have been a subject. Sworn to subscribed before me, at LEXINTON, this Seventh day of December A..D. 1876, Rudolph Pspst Clerk. Signed Charles Brum. Copy in Brumm book. Note: This is all the records there are on him, from Lansing, MI. I have this info on the son Declaration of Intention State of Michigan County of Sanilac I Charles Brumm, solemnly swear that it is bona-fide my intention to become a Citizen of the United States, and to RENOUNCE FOREVER, all Allegiance and Fidelity to each and every Foreign Emperor of Germany of whom I have been a subject. Sworn and subscribed before me, at Sanilac Centre, this 3rd day of May A.D. 1892. signed Harry ShIumun ? Clerk. Signed Charles Brumm Copy of this paper and the Naturalization Oath in Brumm book dated 7 Oct. 1896 signed Charles Brumm. !Naturalization Oath particularly V William the Emperor of Germany of whom I was a subject. Maria A Minear. No other information available according to the Lansing Office. Jan 2001 !1910 Federal Census shows Karl Immigrated in 1884. Ancestry.com Name: Charles C Brumm Age in 1910: 47 Estimated birth year: 1862 Home in 1910: CUSTER TWP, Sanilac, Michigan Race: White Gender: Male Series: T624 Roll: 674 Part: 2 Page: 78B Year: 1910 Maria Minear Montana Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness www.raogk.com