Andrea, that's why it is important to at least know the year of birth =/- one; also he most likely did not travel under the name of John Shafer but rather Johann or Johannes Schäfer/Schaefer. It would help if you knew what German state he came from, i.e. Hesse, Wuerttemberg, Bavaria etc. to narrow it down. You can safely assume that if the wife came via Bremen, the husband came that way as well. Andrea Welter wrote: > Now I'm wondering, did both voyages depart and arrive at the same ports? > > I'm hoping this will be the case. The husband had such a common name, John Shafer and knowing he won't be with his family any lone man with that name could be him. > snip>snip>

Now I'm wondering, did both voyages depart and arrive at the same ports? I'm hoping this will be the case. The husband had such a common name, John Shafer and knowing he won't be with his family any lone man with that name could be him. Andrea On Wednesday, December 06, 2006, at 06:30PM, "Cecelia" <cheinric@tca.net> wrote: >My great-grandfather came over in 1867. He sent for his mother, a widow, >who came over in 1869. He met and married his wife in 1877. (I had thought >his mother came over after he married and was established, but I found the >date of her arrival and was surprised -as I usually am!) >I've found several families who came over after their husbands died. >Cecelia > > > >>I found similar results in my family.... wife and children arrived in June >> 1865, father came in December 1864. >> >>> did the wife come with children? If so, a good estimate is the birth >>> (minus 9 months) of the >>> last child born in Germany. >>> The years between immigration of husbands and wife that I have come >>> across >>> was generally one >>> to two years. >>> >>> Ursula >>> >>> Andrea Welter wrote: >>> > Greetings, >>> > >>> > As was likely typical I found when the wife and children arrived: >>> > Arrival Date: 28 Jun 1854 >>> > Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany >>> > Port of Arrival: New York >>> > >>> > The father is not on that ship, I presume he came earlier. Those of you >>> who have found both parts of a family coming over, how long was it >>> between >>> voyages? >>> > >>> > He did not live long enough for the 1900 Census to give year of >>> immigration. >>> > >>> > Andrea >>> >

1900 Michigan, Osceola, Richard Christ Messner head--Mar 1855--Germany--farmer Annie daughter---Feb 1888--Michigan 1930 census Michigan, Osceola, Reed City Thomas Messner-----age 68--Germany--farmer Helene wife----age 56---Germany Jerrald Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR DEYOUNG" <dosidodosido@msn.com> To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Messner Family from Baden? >I am seeking MESSNER, who was my great grandfather. He came to the US >about 1880, and headed for Michigan (he did arrive). I can find several >Messner families in the U.P. of Michigan, but he did not go to the U.P. > His name was Christoph, and I know he had a brother George who came to MI > with him (from Germany). His obit indicates there were other siblings. > Eleanor Keller DeYoung > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, There is a Herman Meissner who owns my grandparents farm in Sanilac co. MI. Maria > NameChristophe Messner > Arrival Date---12 Oct 1883 > Estimated brith---abt 1855 > Age ----28 4/12 > Gender----Male > Port of Departure----Antwerp, Belgium > Destination-----Micheing--thats the way they spelled it. > Ship Name-----Switzerland > Port of Arrival----New York > Line---3 > Microfilm Roll---M237_471 > List Number -----1301 > Port Arrival State---New York > Port Arrival Country----US > George Messner --age 22--farmer was listed with Christophe > Did not know if this was your family and if you had this. > Jerrald Lloyd > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ELEANOR DEYOUNG" <dosidodosido@msn.com> > To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:21 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] Messner Family from Baden? > > >>I am seeking MESSNER, who was my great grandfather. He came to the US >>about 1880, and headed for Michigan (he did arrive). I can find several >>Messner families in the U.P. of Michigan, but he did not go to the U.P. >> His name was Christoph, and I know he had a brother George who came to MI >> with him (from Germany). His obit indicates there were other siblings. >> Eleanor Keller DeYoung

I am seeking MESSNER, who was my great grandfather. He came to the US about 1880, and headed for Michigan (he did arrive). I can find several Messner families in the U.P. of Michigan, but he did not go to the U.P. His name was Christoph, and I know he had a brother George who came to MI with him (from Germany). His obit indicates there were other siblings. Eleanor Keller DeYoung

NameChristophe Messner Arrival Date---12 Oct 1883 Estimated brith---abt 1855 Age ----28 4/12 Gender----Male Port of Departure----Antwerp, Belgium Destination-----Micheing--thats the way they spelled it. Ship Name-----Switzerland Port of Arrival----New York Line---3 Microfilm Roll---M237_471 List Number -----1301 Port Arrival State---New York Port Arrival Country----US George Messner --age 22--farmer was listed with Christophe Did not know if this was your family and if you had this. Jerrald Lloyd ----- Original Message ----- From: "ELEANOR DEYOUNG" <dosidodosido@msn.com> To: <GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: [G-P-L] Messner Family from Baden? >I am seeking MESSNER, who was my great grandfather. He came to the US >about 1880, and headed for Michigan (he did arrive). I can find several >Messner families in the U.P. of Michigan, but he did not go to the U.P. > His name was Christoph, and I know he had a brother George who came to MI > with him (from Germany). His obit indicates there were other siblings. > Eleanor Keller DeYoung > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My great-grandfather came over in 1867. He sent for his mother, a widow, who came over in 1869. He met and married his wife in 1877. (I had thought his mother came over after he married and was established, but I found the date of her arrival and was surprised -as I usually am!) I've found several families who came over after their husbands died. Cecelia >I found similar results in my family.... wife and children arrived in June > 1865, father came in December 1864. > >> did the wife come with children? If so, a good estimate is the birth >> (minus 9 months) of the >> last child born in Germany. >> The years between immigration of husbands and wife that I have come >> across >> was generally one >> to two years. >> >> Ursula >> >> Andrea Welter wrote: >> > Greetings, >> > >> > As was likely typical I found when the wife and children arrived: >> > Arrival Date: 28 Jun 1854 >> > Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany >> > Port of Arrival: New York >> > >> > The father is not on that ship, I presume he came earlier. Those of you >> who have found both parts of a family coming over, how long was it >> between >> voyages? >> > >> > He did not live long enough for the 1900 Census to give year of >> immigration. >> > >> > Andrea >> >

I found similar results in my family.... wife and children arrived in June 1865, father came in December 1864. On 12/6/06, Ursula B. Adamson <ubatrans@klondyke.net> wrote: > > Andrea, > did the wife come with children? If so, a good estimate is the birth > (minus 9 months) of the > last child born in Germany. > The years between immigration of husbands and wife that I have come across > was generally one > to two years. > > Ursula > > Andrea Welter wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > As was likely typical I found when the wife and children arrived: > > Arrival Date: 28 Jun 1854 > > Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany > > Port of Arrival: New York > > > > The father is not on that ship, I presume he came earlier. Those of you > who have found both parts of a family coming over, how long was it between > voyages? > > > > He did not live long enough for the 1900 Census to give year of > immigration. > > > > Andrea > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > . > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- ==================== I seek dead people. Researching ancestry records for Winkelmann (NY/NJ), Frye (TN,NJ,ME), Brown (NJ) Utter (NJ and Holland), Specht (Germany), Harris (Nova Scotia), Lydecker (NJ), Newport (TN), Kinney (ME), Utter (NJ), Glash/Lask (NY/Russia) and Berliner (NY/Poland).

Andrea, did the wife come with children? If so, a good estimate is the birth (minus 9 months) of the last child born in Germany. The years between immigration of husbands and wife that I have come across was generally one to two years. Ursula Andrea Welter wrote: > Greetings, > > As was likely typical I found when the wife and children arrived: > Arrival Date: 28 Jun 1854 > Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany > Port of Arrival: New York > > The father is not on that ship, I presume he came earlier. Those of you who have found both parts of a family coming over, how long was it between voyages? > > He did not live long enough for the 1900 Census to give year of immigration. > > Andrea > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > . >

A recent question of what ports leaving if from the area of Alsace, Lorraine. Someone answered Havre (Le Havre) True, but not totally. During the 1700's into 1820's, people from Central Europe, (Switzerland, Wurttemberg, Baden, Alsace, Lorraine, the Palatinate and Rhineland) traveled the Rhine, the cheapest way to travel. They could then leave by Rotterdam or Antwerp. By the 1840's, railroads offered a quicker route and then Le Have became more popular and was either direct or indirect voyage choices. Bill Fehlinger-New Jersey

Greetings, As was likely typical I found when the wife and children arrived: Arrival Date: 28 Jun 1854 Port of Departure: Bremen, Germany Port of Arrival: New York The father is not on that ship, I presume he came earlier. Those of you who have found both parts of a family coming over, how long was it between voyages? He did not live long enough for the 1900 Census to give year of immigration. Andrea

Hi Jan, Here's what I came up with: The point of departure for the ships leaving Alsace was Havre. I hope that helps. Robin Lee Ancestor Help http://www.ancestorhelp.com Jan Robison <jrobison4@cfl.rr.com> wrote: If a family lived in what is now Alsace-Lorraine, France, where would they have to go to leave the area and come to America in the mid 1700s? And, does anyone have a link to those ships leaving for Berks County, PA??? Jan Robison Sanford, Florida Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness www.raogk.com Robin Lee Ancestor Help http://www.ancestorhelp.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi again Jan, Do you have the name Ludemann in your ancestry ... an umlaut over the "u" ... ? My paternal great great Grandmother was Rixte Ludemann from Firrel. Kathleen __________________ --- Jan Robison wrote: My mother's side is almost entirely German. My ex-husband's line is from Belgium. The lines I am researching on Mom's side are: Bieber/Beaver, Gross/Gruss/Cruse, Holzhouser (and variations), Herche/Harkey, Simmone/Simons, Sigern, Adam/Adamson, Ludman/Ludmann, Lentz On Chuck's side: Saillierz/Sailliez - married a German gal, but have no clue as to her maiden name. Jan Robison ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com

Hi Jan, Here are several links to assist you ... good luck! Kathleen - http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/robertalice1740.shtml -or- http://www.rootsweb.com/~GENHOME/imm16a.htm -or- http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pa/1pa/ship.htm -or- http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy/shiplst4.htm -or- http://www.searchforancestors.com/passengerlists/links.html ______________________ --- Jan Robison wrote: Looking for passenger lists for the "Robert and Alice" and the "Henrietta" as well as the "Friendship" in the mid 1700s. Jan Robison ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now.

Looking for passenger lists for the "Robert and Alice" and the "Henrietta" as well as the "Friendship" in the mid 1700s. Jan Robison Sanford, Florida Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness www.raogk.com

If a family lived in what is now Alsace-Lorraine, France, where would they have to go to leave the area and come to America in the mid 1700s? And, does anyone have a link to those ships leaving for Berks County, PA??? Jan Robison Sanford, Florida Volunteer at Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness www.raogk.com

I received my letter as usual and also answers from others on the site so I guess everything is now clear. Thank You everyone who answered. Bill Fehlinger-New Jersey

I got it -----Original Message----- From: germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:germany-passenger-lists-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of WMFHLNGR@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 2:51 PM To: Germany-passenger-lists@rootsweb.com Subject: [G-P-L] Testing Last week everything I sent came back. I hope it is OK now. Bill Fehlinger-New Jersey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMANY-PASSENGER-LISTS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last week everything I sent came back. I hope it is OK now. Bill Fehlinger-New Jersey

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