Hello, Al ~ Perhaps the Bremen departure records were destroyed (they were purged periodically due to storage constraints), but the US arrival records are likely to exist, unless the ship was lost at sea. Far too many were.  The name you give offers many possibilities for entry into a ship's manifest by an American crew member. Creative and broad-minded searching may be needed: Johan, John, George, Andreas, Andrew, and I hate to think what they could have done to Langohr! Or perhaps the ship manifest is illegible, damaged, or remains to be transcribed. If you aren't sure of the port of embarkation, then don't despair - perhaps embarkation records exist. Other ports have a greater collection of archived material than poor Bremen has.  The Castle Garden site has this person, but you probably already know this: Last name   First name Age Sex Arrival Date   Town of Origin LANGOHR  JOHANN    54   M    19 Jun 1854  UNKNOWN Register your relative's name the list's website database and join in the discussion forum. People from other Germany-related lists participate there in addition to the G-P-L; many are actual Germans! Putting the emigrant's name in the subject line may attract more curiosity. All the best and stay warm in Canada, Julia --- On Sun, 1/3/10, Al Langohr <[email protected]> wrote: ...my relative Johanne George Andreas Langohr left Germany in 1852, but I have not yet found the Ship or Passenger list he came on... Al

Hi. My name is Richard Swank and I live in Southern California. My wife and I have been doing Genealogy for about 35 or 40 years and I am now just getting into my families in Germany. I am researching the following families in Germany: 1. Friederick Schwenk possible in Oberriexingen, Baden-Wuettemberg, Germany which is near Stuttgart. The family came to the US on the ship President and took the Oath or Affirmation on Sept. 27, 1752. I have no information on this family in Germany. 2. Johann Casper Schmick came to the US on the ship Ranier arrivinng on 26 Sept. 1749. The ship list states that the foreigners are from Hanau, Wirtenberg, Darmstand and Isenburg. I have no information on this family in Germany. 3. Johann Georg Schwartz, born 25 March 1712 in Hinterbach, Oderwaldkreis, Hessen, Germany. I do have some information on this family in Germany. 4. Johan George Rebscher, born about May 1675 in Airsenbach, Beerfeilden, Odenwaldkreis, Hessen, Germany. I do have some information on this family in Germany. Any help on my families in Germany would be appreciated. This way I will have a starting point of where to look for the Schwenk and Schmick families in Germany. Richard Swank

Hi. Yes, you are right. I have found many errors on the internet. I use the information as a reference as to where they might have been. We live about 650 miles from Salt Lake City, Utah, and try and go there every year. This way I can get proof of what I have found. I am just starting research in Germany, and need to find the exact location as to where Frederick/Friederick Schwenk and family came from in 1752. This way, I will have a idea where to find them in Germany. Thanks again for your help. Richard Swank

Hello from New Zealand Can anyone help here please with finding the year / ship that ##Constantine BECK arrived in London?? ##Constantine BECK - Born 1827 in the Grand Duchy Baden Germany ##Constantine BECK was a clockmaker by trade... ## Constantine BECK died Sept 1888 aged 61yrs at Hackney, London ^^Alois / Aloys BECK a General Merchant - father of ## Constantine BECK - did he too take a ship to England / America?? Were there any other children of ^^Alois / Aloys BECK please...?? Constantine BECK m/d Marian Kirton in Hampstead -1854. Constantine BECK (a widower) m/d Eliza Anne Kirton, (a widow) d/o Thomas Lait in Shoreditch in 1875. Thank you for any assistance offered to his descendants living in the Waikato, N.Z. Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon

The images I looked through in your search were of the Zeeland (2), built into the 1900s, not Zeeland (1) that Mr Stroebel's looking for. I only looked through the 1st few pages, though, so maybe it pops up farther long?  --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Bob Jensen <[email protected]> wrote: http://images.google.com/images?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=SS%20Zeeland&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi Bob

Ellis Island's ships gallery has a Zeeland built in 1901, a Zeelandia built in 1910, and a Zeelandic built in 1911 (but no image of the last one). Norway-Heritage has a Zeeland launched in 1865 (they don't specify original name):http://norwayheritage.com/p_ships.asp?Ship=Zeeland&Submit=Submit 1878 sold to Red Star Line, named Zeeland 1889 sold, renamed Electrique  1892 sold, renamed Lord Spencer 1895 went missing on voyage from San Francisco - New York No photos of this Zeeland, though, only the later Zeeland (2). There are other places to look, like Mystic Seaport, galleries specializing in maritime paintings or models, NY Public Library, South Street Seaport, etc. One of the latter may have images of handbills or posters in their collection that illustrate your ship.  Unfortunately, the Peabody Essex Museum's "Image Vault" is offline while they reorganize it and re-write their use policies (tighter restrictions with higher fees?).  Happy hunting! --- On Tue, 12/29/09, David Stroebel <[email protected]> wrote: ...know where a photograph exists of the SS Zeeland... David

Richard Here is another Friedrich Schwenk record. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- FRIDERICUS ANTONIUS SCHWENK Pedigree Male -------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: 23 NOV 1744 Roemisch-Katholisch, Bacharach, Rheinland, Preussen Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: ANTONII FRIDERICI SCHWENK Family Mother: ANNAE CATHAR. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Messages: Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: C997302 1685 - 1875 0577994 Film NONE Of the Friedrich Schwenk record , I of course did not know of the exact date when Hans left Germany However if They are from the town of Bacharach Germany , there are 3 sets of microfilms , and a lot of batch number records of that town. Karl Roussin ================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Swank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Freidrich Schwank record > Karl, > Thank you for your information. This Frederick Schwenk seems to be > the one that I am looking for, but I do not believe he is the son of Han > Michael Schwenk. If he is, why would he have left him in Germany when > he was about 12 years old, and them had Frederick come to America when > he was about 25 years old. In most of Han Michael Schwenks data, he had > no son Frederick listed. I has seen him listed in other data bases > thought. Frederich Schwenk could be related to Han Michael, but how, I > do not know. > Thank you for your help. > Richard Swank > > On 1/10/2010 12:05 PM, Karl Roussin wrote: >> Richard Swank >> Just guessing at the birth date of Friedrich Schwenk , I found the >> following record in the ( IGI ) International Genealogical Index pages. >> >> Frederick Schwenk Pedigree >> Male >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Event(s): >> Birth: About 1727 , , Germany >> >> Christening: >> Death: DEC 1767 , Bucks, Pennsylvania >> >> Burial: >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Parents: >> Father: Hans Michael Schwenk Family >> Mother: Mary Elizabeth >> >> No town is noted however >> >> Karl Roussin >> ======================================= >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Richard Swank"<[email protected]> >> To:<[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:35 PM >> Subject: [G-P-L] SHIP INFORMATION >> >> >> >>> Hi, >>> I am looking for information on how to search for >>> Frederick/Friederick Schwenk. He came to America on the ship President, >>> and took the Oath and Affirmation to the Government on Sept 27, 1752. I >>> suspect that he came from the Baden-Wurttemberg area near Stuttgart. >>> Is there a list in Germany of who left the country and who was with >>> them. I now have no information of where he came from in Germany, but >>> doing research, have found that there are a lot of Schwenk families in >>> the area. >>> Thank you for any information that anyone can give me on my family >>> Richard Swank in So. California >>> >>> For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >>> http://www.germanyroots.com >>> >>> Please visit and participate in our new forum >>> http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >> http://www.germanyroots.com >> >> Please visit and participate in our new forum >> http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Mr Swank: I hope Karl's info is helpful, but remember that the IGI database isn't verified. Use it as a starting point for your own search, though I know how hard it can be with such early dates. Fingers crossed for you! --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Karl Roussin <[email protected]> wrote: ...guessing at the birth date of Friedrich Schwenk...

Augusta A Beck Daughter abt 1860 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Constantine Beck Son abt 1862 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Frederick A Beck Son abt 1864 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Fidel Albert Beck Son abt 1865 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Maud Beck Daughter abt 1866 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Theresa Beck Daughter abt 1868 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Thirza Beck Daughter abt 1869 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Richard A Beck Son abt 1871 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Elmina Beck Daughter abt 1873 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England . -------------------------------------------------- From: "Maree" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:22 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [G-P-L] Alois / Aloys BECK a General Merchant - Baden Germany > Hello from New Zealand > > Can anyone help here please with finding the year / ship that > ##Constantine > BECK arrived in London?? > > ##Constantine BECK - Born 1827 in the Grand Duchy Baden Germany > > ##Constantine BECK was a clockmaker by trade... > > ## Constantine BECK died Sept 1888 aged 61yrs at Hackney, London > > ^^Alois / Aloys BECK a General Merchant - father of ## Constantine > BECK - > did he too take a ship to England / America?? > > Were there any other children of ^^Alois / Aloys BECK please...?? > > Constantine BECK m/d Marian Kirton in Hampstead -1854. > > Constantine BECK (a widower) m/d Eliza Anne Kirton, (a widow) d/o Thomas > Lait in Shoreditch in 1875. > > Thank you for any assistance offered to his descendants living in the > Waikato, N.Z. > > Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Constantine Beck 1827-Marian KirtonAugusta A BeckConstantine BeckFrederick A BeckFidel Albert BeckMaud BeckTheresa BeckThirza BeckRichard A BeckElmina BeckEliza Ann Lait -------------------------------------------------- From: "Maree" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:22 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [G-P-L] Alois / Aloys BECK a General Merchant - Baden Germany > Hello from New Zealand > > Can anyone help here please with finding the year / ship that > ##Constantine > BECK arrived in London?? > > ##Constantine BECK - Born 1827 in the Grand Duchy Baden Germany > > ##Constantine BECK was a clockmaker by trade... > > ## Constantine BECK died Sept 1888 aged 61yrs at Hackney, London > > ^^Alois / Aloys BECK a General Merchant - father of ## Constantine > BECK - > did he too take a ship to England / America?? > > Were there any other children of ^^Alois / Aloys BECK please...?? > > Constantine BECK m/d Marian Kirton in Hampstead -1854. > > Constantine BECK (a widower) m/d Eliza Anne Kirton, (a widow) d/o Thomas > Lait in Shoreditch in 1875. > > Thank you for any assistance offered to his descendants living in the > Waikato, N.Z. > > Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1881 England Census about Constantine Beck Name: Constantine Beck Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1827 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: (Bs), Germany Civil parish: St Leonard Shoreditch County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 20 Enfield Bldgs Aske St Condition as to marriage: Widow Education: Employment status: Subscribe now to see this information. Occupation: Clock Maker Registration district: Shoreditch Sub-registration district: Hoxton Old Town ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Constantine Beck 54 Victoria Lait 41 Agnes Beck 20 Constantine Beck 18 Fidel Albert Beck 16 Maud Beck 14 Thirza Beck 12 Richard A. Beck 10 Elmina Beck 8 View Original Record Get all the details available on the original record image. Subscribe Now View blank form -------------------------------------------------- From: "Maree" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:22 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [G-P-L] Alois / Aloys BECK a General Merchant - Baden Germany > Hello from New Zealand > > Can anyone help here please with finding the year / ship that > ##Constantine > BECK arrived in London?? > > ##Constantine BECK - Born 1827 in the Grand Duchy Baden Germany > > ##Constantine BECK was a clockmaker by trade... > > ## Constantine BECK died Sept 1888 aged 61yrs at Hackney, London > > ^^Alois / Aloys BECK a General Merchant - father of ## Constantine > BECK - > did he too take a ship to England / America?? > > Were there any other children of ^^Alois / Aloys BECK please...?? > > Constantine BECK m/d Marian Kirton in Hampstead -1854. > > Constantine BECK (a widower) m/d Eliza Anne Kirton, (a widow) d/o Thomas > Lait in Shoreditch in 1875. > > Thank you for any assistance offered to his descendants living in the > Waikato, N.Z. > > Kind regards from Maree S. Gordon > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Richard Swank Just guessing at the birth date of Friedrich Schwenk , I found the following record in the ( IGI ) International Genealogical Index pages. Frederick Schwenk Pedigree Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: About 1727 , , Germany Christening: Death: DEC 1767 , Bucks, Pennsylvania Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: Hans Michael Schwenk Family Mother: Mary Elizabeth No town is noted however Karl Roussin ======================================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Swank" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:35 PM Subject: [G-P-L] SHIP INFORMATION > Hi, > I am looking for information on how to search for > Frederick/Friederick Schwenk. He came to America on the ship President, > and took the Oath and Affirmation to the Government on Sept 27, 1752. I > suspect that he came from the Baden-Wurttemberg area near Stuttgart. > Is there a list in Germany of who left the country and who was with > them. I now have no information of where he came from in Germany, but > doing research, have found that there are a lot of Schwenk families in > the area. > Thank you for any information that anyone can give me on my family > Richard Swank in So. California > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Karl, Thank you for your information. This Frederick Schwenk seems to be the one that I am looking for, but I do not believe he is the son of Han Michael Schwenk. If he is, why would he have left him in Germany when he was about 12 years old, and them had Frederick come to America when he was about 25 years old. In most of Han Michael Schwenks data, he had no son Frederick listed. I has seen him listed in other data bases thought. Frederich Schwenk could be related to Han Michael, but how, I do not know. Thank you for your help. Richard Swank On 1/10/2010 12:05 PM, Karl Roussin wrote: > Richard Swank > Just guessing at the birth date of Friedrich Schwenk , I found the > following record in the ( IGI ) International Genealogical Index pages. > > Frederick Schwenk Pedigree > Male > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Event(s): > Birth: About 1727 , , Germany > > Christening: > Death: DEC 1767 , Bucks, Pennsylvania > > Burial: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Parents: > Father: Hans Michael Schwenk Family > Mother: Mary Elizabeth > > No town is noted however > > Karl Roussin > ======================================= > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Swank"<[email protected]> > To:<[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:35 PM > Subject: [G-P-L] SHIP INFORMATION > > > >> Hi, >> I am looking for information on how to search for >> Frederick/Friederick Schwenk. He came to America on the ship President, >> and took the Oath and Affirmation to the Government on Sept 27, 1752. I >> suspect that he came from the Baden-Wurttemberg area near Stuttgart. >> Is there a list in Germany of who left the country and who was with >> them. I now have no information of where he came from in Germany, but >> doing research, have found that there are a lot of Schwenk families in >> the area. >> Thank you for any information that anyone can give me on my family >> Richard Swank in So. California >> >> For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: >> http://www.germanyroots.com >> >> Please visit and participate in our new forum >> http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi, I am looking for information on how to search for Frederick/Friederick Schwenk. He came to America on the ship President, and took the Oath and Affirmation to the Government on Sept 27, 1752. I suspect that he came from the Baden-Wurttemberg area near Stuttgart. Is there a list in Germany of who left the country and who was with them. I now have no information of where he came from in Germany, but doing research, have found that there are a lot of Schwenk families in the area. Thank you for any information that anyone can give me on my family Richard Swank in So. California

I found a couple possibilities, but who knows. Not all things matched. The immigration has to be between 1873 and 1877 because of the age of the first two children. I found a family called Luck which is a possibility. The father doesn't have the right name though, and is too old. And I found another who had a Meyer in the next line, but again the names and ages didn't match. It is a real possibility that Gottfried could be a second name and the first one is Johann. In many families, they used one surname for all the children, and then named them differently in the second name. Anyway, you will have to look at all the ship records and try for different names, such as Gottfried, Wilhemine, Mina or Mine, Hulda in your searches. And perhaps even try the Meyer one. My records for the church are at my sons house in a file cabinet. Probably it will be next week before I can access them. I had forgotten all about my file cabinet not coming up here with my move. I will keep in touch, marge -------------------------------------------------- From: "james" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 11:47 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [G-P-L] Lucht Immigration > Hello lister group. I have a new years challenge. I am family historian > and genealogist for the Lucht, Kalk(e), Finke, Krone and other names in > our > family. I am trying to find out information on my great grand father > Gottfried Lucht (b. abt. Mar 1847) and his wife Wilhelmina (Meyer b. abt. > 1845 date depending on which census a person is looking at) Lucht. > > According to 1900 US Census (Dayton township, Hennepin county, Minnesota, > sheet 6, line 1 and 2) shows 1874 as immigration date and naturalized in > PA > (Pennsylvania ?) What I need to know is any verbage or ,jpg of > naturalization papers, immigration from (old family members said they came > from Luebgust, Pommerania, Prussia? Ship name? Probably travel to US > with > Charley Meyer family. > > Another bit of information is according to 1910 US Census (Corcoran > township, Hennepin county, Minnesota, sheet 4A, line 18) shows 1877 as > arrival date. Did he travel back to Germany (who knows) and give a new > date > or what? ship? Why did he say two arrival dates on two different census' > dates? > > > Any information found out would add to our family history. I'm at a road > block. > > Thanks for any help, > James Lucht > > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: > http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My goodness, there were also Berndt's in Maple Grove, Henn County MN. I know one family run moonshine during prohibition and later on, opened up a liquor store in Osseo. > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:48:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Lucht Immigration > > Ursula, > > There are Wiese families all over the central part of the USA, but my family > settled in Dane County, Wisconsin. I have learned that they came from > Lehsten, Mecklenburg, but I have not yet looked at any records from that > area. I believe that FamilySearch has filmed some of the church records, > but I have not had access to those yet. I have the Hamburg and New York > ship lists, and the page in the Mecklenburg Census. My 2nd great > grandfather, Joachim Wiese, along with his wife, Friedericke, emigrated in > 1854 in a barque-rigged sailing ship called the "Elbe". It took over a > month to get here. There were five other family members on the list, but I > have never traced them thus far in the USA except for my great grandfather. > My great grandfather was one of those five, along with his wife Friedericka. > There were also his sisters: Wilhelmina, Friederika, and Johanne. (That > made three Friederickes in the party. I imagine Joachim's wife was called > "Rike" since she appears that way on a census. And I have heard that > Johann's wife was sometimes called "Frieda". But I have no idea what > Johann's sister was called.) Other Wiese families settled in Iowa. After > that they moved all over. I have lived in seven different states at various > times in my life. Now that I am half a year away from my 82nd birthday, I > believe that I have done with traveling. I do not often say it, but "Ich > bin stoltz daß ich Deutsch bin." > > If you ever run across anything about my family in Germany, let me know. My > maternal grandparents were named Berndt, came from Jastrow, and settled in > Porter County, Indiana. I have not been able to trace them at all in > Germany (Poland). According to a web site the records "waren im zweiten > Weltkrieg vernichtet." > > Gene > > Eugene M. Wiese > 838 Linlawn Drive > Wabash, IN 46992-3903 > [email protected] > (260) 846-0516 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ursula" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: 04 January, 2010 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Lucht Immigration > > > > Gene, > > > > Thanks for the memories [my own] even though it took all but 8 hours to > > get here from Germany, the bureaucracy was awful. > > And you know what, we forgot to mention the crying babies and the older > > children [when are we going to get there?]. > > You are so right, we should hail them as heroes to have even remembered > > their name after all that! > > > > Gene, I'm trying to jog my memory of where I have read about the "Wiese" > > immigrants? > > Did they by any chance settle in St Clair County, Michigan? > > > > Ursula > > > For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com > > Please visit and participate in our new forum > http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ursula, There are Wiese families all over the central part of the USA, but my family settled in Dane County, Wisconsin. I have learned that they came from Lehsten, Mecklenburg, but I have not yet looked at any records from that area. I believe that FamilySearch has filmed some of the church records, but I have not had access to those yet. I have the Hamburg and New York ship lists, and the page in the Mecklenburg Census. My 2nd great grandfather, Joachim Wiese, along with his wife, Friedericke, emigrated in 1854 in a barque-rigged sailing ship called the "Elbe". It took over a month to get here. There were five other family members on the list, but I have never traced them thus far in the USA except for my great grandfather. My great grandfather was one of those five, along with his wife Friedericka. There were also his sisters: Wilhelmina, Friederika, and Johanne. (That made three Friederickes in the party. I imagine Joachim's wife was called "Rike" since she appears that way on a census. And I have heard that Johann's wife was sometimes called "Frieda". But I have no idea what Johann's sister was called.) Other Wiese families settled in Iowa. After that they moved all over. I have lived in seven different states at various times in my life. Now that I am half a year away from my 82nd birthday, I believe that I have done with traveling. I do not often say it, but "Ich bin stoltz daß ich Deutsch bin." If you ever run across anything about my family in Germany, let me know. My maternal grandparents were named Berndt, came from Jastrow, and settled in Porter County, Indiana. I have not been able to trace them at all in Germany (Poland). According to a web site the records "waren im zweiten Weltkrieg vernichtet." Gene Eugene M. Wiese 838 Linlawn Drive Wabash, IN 46992-3903 [email protected] (260) 846-0516 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 04 January, 2010 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Lucht Immigration > Gene, > > Thanks for the memories [my own] even though it took all but 8 hours to > get here from Germany, the bureaucracy was awful. > And you know what, we forgot to mention the crying babies and the older > children [when are we going to get there?]. > You are so right, we should hail them as heroes to have even remembered > their name after all that! > > Gene, I'm trying to jog my memory of where I have read about the "Wiese" > immigrants? > Did they by any chance settle in St Clair County, Michigan? > > Ursula

Dear Gene, Such a well thought through response. I especially appreciated your comments in regards to what your/our ancestors went through. I think about that often, myself, and am amazed when I realize the many things that they went through, and which I would find so difficult and yet they took it in stride. Thank you, for reminding me today, to count my many blessings again. Just one of those blessings is this list, which has so many diligent, knowledgeable people who are so willing to share their expertise and their time. I appreciate each of you! Linda Wilke [email protected] Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Lucht Immigration Ursula, Your surprise at the immigrant not knowing the exact time he/she arrived made me think about a possible answer. As I see it, there was a period at departure where everything was in flux since there were so many regulations to follow, and there was the bureaucracy to satisfy. Then they probably did not sail immediately after boarding ship. Then there were the many days at sea where one has great difficulty keeping track of the day of the week, not only the day, month, and year. Upon arrival at the port of destination, there was no guarantee that they would debark the same day as they arrived. Upon debarkation they would face in reverse all that they had gone through when leaving, dealing with another bureaucracy. Finally they would be free to travel to their final destination, where they might or might not have someone waiting for them to help them with the problems of settling in where the language was different, the customs were different, and even size and extent of the land was different. Which day would be the "official" day of arrival? When I think about it, it amazes me that they could come close to the correct day, month, and year. I came home from a period of duty in the service in Germany, but I would not be able to remember just when that was. But I was immediately discharged from the medical corps, and that day I have no difficulty remembering. I believe that for many of our ancestors, arriving at a place that would not change the next day was so satisfying that they would just breathe a deep sigh of relief and try to get on with the problems of day to day living. They probably did not realize that one day one of their descendants would try to pin the date down to the exact moment to fit into a genealogy program. I was lucky with my maternal grandparents. They arrived in Canada, and then crossed over into the United States at Detroit. This was their official date of arrival in the USA. But the exact date of arrival in Canada depends on ship lists that each have their own rules for entering the date. Add to all this the other things you mentioned, and an "about" date is really a terrific find! And after all, the year is really only a number! Thanks for making me think about what my ancestors endured just to make a better life for themselves and their descendants. I really need to count my blessings more frequently. Gene Eugene M. Wiese 838 Linlawn Drive Wabash, IN 46992-3903 [email protected] (260) 846-0516 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 04 January, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Lucht Immigration > > James, > > You must understand that immigrants as a whole were not all that concerned > when it came to accuracy of the information they provided to officials. > Many immigrants were suspicious of anyone wanting to obtain personal > information from them. On the other hand it continues to surprise me why > they would not only remember the year, but the also the month and exact > date that they arrived in the US as this must have been a major milestone > in their life. Yet, it happens more often than not. Regarding the > immigration dates given on censuses, there was often a misunderstanding > about the question being asked [language problem]or - in later years - > they confused the immigration year with the year of naturalization. Hence, > the different dates. Often the information was provided by one of the > children when the parents were not at home when the census taker called. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gene, Thanks for the memories [my own] even though it took all but 8 hours to get here from Germany, the bureaucracy was awful. And you know what, we forgot to mention the crying babies and the older children [when are we going to get there?]. You are so right, we should hail them as heroes to have even remembered their name after all that! Gene, I'm trying to jog my memory of where I have read about the "Wiese" immigrants? Did they by any chance settle in St Clair County, Michigan? Ursula ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eugene Wiese" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 10:02:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Lucht Immigration Ursula, Your surprise at the immigrant not knowing the exact time he/she arrived made me think about a possible answer. As I see it, there was a period at departure where everything was in flux since there were so many regulations to follow, and there was the bureaucracy to satisfy. Then they probably did not sail immediately after boarding ship. Then there were the many days at sea where one has great difficulty keeping track of the day of the week, not only the day, month, and year. Upon arrival at the port of destination, there was no guarantee that they would debark the same day as they arrived. Upon debarkation they would face in reverse all that they had gone through when leaving, dealing with another bureaucracy. Finally they would be free to travel to their final destination, where they might or might not have someone waiting for them to help them with the problems of settling in where the language was different, the customs were different, and even size and extent of the land was different. Which day would be the "official" day of arrival? When I think about it, it amazes me that they could come close to the correct day, month, and year. I came home from a period of duty in the service in Germany, but I would not be able to remember just when that was. But I was immediately discharged from the medical corps, and that day I have no difficulty remembering. I believe that for many of our ancestors, arriving at a place that would not change the next day was so satisfying that they would just breathe a deep sigh of relief and try to get on with the problems of day to day living. They probably did not realize that one day one of their descendants would try to pin the date down to the exact moment to fit into a genealogy program. I was lucky with my maternal grandparents. They arrived in Canada, and then crossed over into the United States at Detroit. This was their official date of arrival in the USA. But the exact date of arrival in Canada depends on ship lists that each have their own rules for entering the date. Add to all this the other things you mentioned, and an "about" date is really a terrific find! And after all, the year is really only a number! Thanks for making me think about what my ancestors endured just to make a better life for themselves and their descendants. I really need to count my blessings more frequently. Gene Eugene M. Wiese 838 Linlawn Drive Wabash, IN 46992-3903 [email protected] (260) 846-0516 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: 04 January, 2010 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [G-P-L] Lucht Immigration > > James, > > You must understand that immigrants as a whole were not all that concerned > when it came to accuracy of the information they provided to officials. > Many immigrants were suspicious of anyone wanting to obtain personal > information from them. On the other hand it continues to surprise me why > they would not only remember the year, but the also the month and exact > date that they arrived in the US as this must have been a major milestone > in their life. Yet, it happens more often than not. Regarding the > immigration dates given on censuses, there was often a misunderstanding > about the question being asked [language problem]or - in later years - > they confused the immigration year with the year of naturalization. Hence, > the different dates. Often the information was provided by one of the > children when the parents were not at home when the census taker called. For all the latest News, please visit our Homepage: http://www.germanyroots.com Please visit and participate in our new forum http://www.germanyroots.com/phpBB3/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello and Happy New Year – I have done some research regarding Langohrs from Haßloch, Pfalz, Baiern and Lachen Grossherzth, Baiern. The Johann Georg Langohr, brother to Johann Caspar Langohr, that I found was born 26 January 1798. The whole generation of Langohrs had Johann as the first name. Caspar emigrated to Albany, New York. I hope this helps and let me know if you need more information. Ed